Things to Look For in Cleveland

I'm not going to lie.  The chances of me getting away from some preexisting plans to watch the Bears fourth preseason game are not very good.  I'll give some of it a watch when I come home later in the evening but the thought of watching our parade of rookie quarterbacks horrifies me.  Here's what I will be watching for.

Who Plays, How Long.  We'll know what positions Lovie & Co. are still undecided about by the amount of playing time allotted across the field.  Who is going to start opposite Orange Julius (and does it matter)?  Will Danieal Manning really be starting at free safety against Detroit (sweet God)?  Will the coaches want to see Chris Williams log some more playing time before the season opens (they might)?

Todd Collins.  Watching Collins navigate the offense will probably be the only real football-related item to keep an eye on.  I'm frequently obsessed with the backup quarterback at this time of year because it's painful to think how bad this team will become should a defensive end roll up on the wrong part of Jay Cutler's leg in Week Three.  Collins was a solid signing and it'd be refreshing to see him play an efficient, mistake-free game and instill some confidence in the position moving forward.

The Result and its Aftermath.  If the Bears lose this game, and I'm kind of hoping they do, it will be interesting to see how Lovie handles the winless preseason questions that will follow from the press.  There is literally no difference between 0-4 and 1-3 in the preseason but a meaningless win will soften the confrontation between media and coach.  Lovie can be pushed to testiness and I like it when that happens.  Why?  Because it's an emotion.  And too often the stoic approach lends an arrogance to his tone.  

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  • I shoot, I score!

  • Martz rolled up on Mister Hanie in the Trib. All but called him intellectually weak and a dumb hick. I wouldn't be shocked to see him relegated to practice squad and we keep La Favor on the roster in case it all goes to hell.

    And I guess we can watch to see if Hungry like the Smurf outgains RingHisBell. Could be the Smurf's last hurrah.

  • http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0901-bears-chicago--20100831,0,1980843.story

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I didn't read that much into it GP. Martz just feels better with a veteran I think.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Concerning the Browns game tomorrow, I think I'll pass on it. Tired of watching counterfeit football. If ever there is a meaningless game, tomorrow's game definitely qualifies as one.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    meaningless football is like bad pizza...and you know what they say about bad pizza.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I didn't get him calling Hanie dumb. Martz said he wasn't ready, and I take that as physically.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    That would seem to be reading an AWFUL lot into "I don't think Caleb is ready.".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    ["Yeah, right now he is (the backup), absolutely,'' Martz said when asked about Collins Tuesday. "I don't think Caleb (Hanie) is ready. We'll see how it goes, but that's what we brought (Collins) in for.'']

    Martz probably means Caleb isn't ready to play as in "he hasn't recovered from his injury yet."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Martz' offense is going to take two seasons before it's ingrained into the organisation. So he needs that much leeway, ditto Cutler. If they're not putting up video game numbers by week four then don't blame the chief, we need to get the ingredients right and give it time to cook.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Great interview with Ricky Proehl in this show breaking down the Martz timing offense. Unfortunately it features Rosendoom as well.

    http://wscr.cbslocal.com/2010/08/31/boers-and-bernstein-full-show-24/#more-34015

    Download the section of the show called bb-hr-21.mp3 ....

    One good thing about it, they want to see blitzes. You pray for the blitz. The ball will barely be in Cutler's hands before he dumps it out to a receiver and bang, 15 yards.

    Problems? Nothing we haven't discussed ad nauseam here over the last few months :

    * 90 degree speed turns don't happen on Chicago turf. 'The greatest show on turf' happened in a dome.

    * What took them so long to hire Martz? Understanding that his offense didn't suit dumb receivers? It's good, sound, but a bit too complicated?

    * Blocking is even more of a premium in this offense. Oops.

    * Sight adjustments need to be made by the receivers on things like blitzes so they're on the same page as Cutler. My feeling with Knox and Hester all along was that Cutler will be on the right page regardless of the situation, but those receivers won't be. Cue silly looking interceptions.

    Again, I think we've got Shabba and not much else, maybe Bennett can help us out, but it just seems like Cutler's going to be throwing a lot of balls into empty spaces and/or linebackers open arms. Issac Bruce might polish Hester and Knox and Shabba into the most polished route runners in NFL history, but if they cannot absorb the never-ending playbook and know it like their own PIN number, it matters not a jot.

    Keep it simple, Mike, reeeeeaaaal simple .......

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    It won't be Chicago that ruins Cutler (if that happens) it will be a crappy receiving corps featuring two kick returners and one bona fide receiver, trying to operate in a scheme that is beyond their ken. All over seen by an amazingly arrogant HC who clearly believes it's all in God's hands and Que Sera Sera, a GM who couldn't draft a letter ... and not forgetting the accountant who commissioned the clown car in the first place.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    In the meantime, our QB needs to make up the difference with better decisions when unleashing the rock down field. I don't think there's a Bear fan alive that isn't willing to give Cutler some slack as long as he cuts down on the poor throws. He of all people should realize we need to improve our red zone efficiency.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    This guy called it right. I know this article is over a year old but he saw the Jay Cutler we got before we made the trade. All I'm saying is it's time for Jay to wake up and it's time to start playing like one of the big boys. Cutler is the key to us making the post season and it start's with him. We can decry lack of depth and poor O-line play all day long but Cutler has to throw it away or take a sack instead of trying to thread the needle on every throw. This is the area he must improve on period.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2009/05/joyner_cutler_will_make_fans_r.html

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    KC Joyner is a pussy. He squats to pee.

    I'd take Cutler over Rodgers any day. Cutler makes amazing throws and guns it in there to make a point, i.e. the receivers aren't getting open and creating seperation, or they fucked up the routes.

    I much rather have Cutty's instincts and game than another fucking clock manager in Chicago. He plays exciting football, and you need that kind of range to win in the playoffs.

    He had a dogshit system and everybody knew our calls last year. This year, he is in a system that depends on timing and he has no legit #1. He's gonna throw pics. But he doesn't whine, he's a gutty motherfucker and he doesn't throw his team mates under the bus in the press.

    Fuck Joyner, some stat nerd can kiss my ass.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    stat nerds will always have an ass to kiss as long as i am around. I do love Rodgers but give Cutler DONALD DRIVER AND GREG JENNINGS AND JERMICHAEL FINLEY and see what fucking happens. holy shit I am going to have an aneurism trying to explain this over and over.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    you had me at "stat nerds"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    From the big bird: http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/09/01/jay-cutler-says-bears-offense-cant-be-judged-in-preseason/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Not my argument at all MB. I maintain that yeah sure, run the Vanilla plays and the random stuff, no problem, just make sure you run those plays with the same execution that you're supposed run the other ones. It's the sloppyness I object to.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I totally get it and agree with your basic philosophy Trac

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I agree with most of this. Even still, I "wish" he's wrong about our offense being a season long project.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tsn-166697

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    We our divison having such bad problems stopping the pass, you would think we would be able to pass everywhere.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    that's EXACTLY what i've been talking about. and if he does say something about his teammates, he says it about the GROUP, not singling one player out. EVERY SINGLE GAME the Bears lost last year, he blamed it on HIS play, not:

    the defense
    Orlando Pace
    long-snapper audibling at the LOS
    Orlando Pace
    Lovie Smith's dumbass challenges
    ORLANDO FUCKING PACE!!!!

    he even told his teammates "that pick's on me...we get down the field, we're winning this game." and i honestly believe that the huddle looks at Jay and sees a winner (hey...the Minny game was enough for me). a playoff team that gets home-field advantage (or a chance) if they beat us and Jay threw for 4 TDs & a pick on them? MAKING them come back? and THEN throws the GW-TD on 'em in OT?

    that, my friends, is called: "owning 2 dump trucks for balls and kicking a motherfucker in the adam's apple."

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Both King and Hack (how's that for a name?) think the Bears will be .500.

    sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/damon_hack/09/01/nfc.north.preview/index.html?eref=sihp

  • In reply to gpldan:

    More support for the Blogfather's "Nobody plays" position...

    http://www.czabe.com/

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    "but Cutler has to throw it away or take a sack instead of trying to thread the needle on every throw. This is the area he must improve on period."

    Trac-when he cut down on the red zone INT's late last years and we got points on the board people bitched because they were 3pts instead of 7. This year when Cutler takes a sack we get comments like "Cutler is not as mobile as advertised". When he throws the ball away to avoid a sack talking heads talk about low QB rating. He can't win in this situation. He is expected to be a top 5 QB in a new offense with less than average protection. I think he will make things happen but if he doesn't personally help increase people's adjusted gross income while writing a letter to get your kid into Vanderbilt and throwing 35 TD's with 7 INT's he will be slapped down in the media by fags like Rosendouche and other fake writers/fans/critics.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Balance johnny, balance. It is not better to burn out than fade away in football.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    that would be very very cool SD.

    I would love them to come out and not look anything like the preseason sheite that they showed us. Let's hope Martz is as much magician as he is politician.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, I've got two words for you. Ron Turner.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Right on Canada. But there are two more to worry about... Offensive Line.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Agree. I do think it will be better this year but it may take a few games (with our early sched that could be the nail in the coffin). At least the RB's are professional grade this year.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Agree 100% on the RB situation, also our run D is looking pretty good.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    IF we go three and one, I will feel better about this team. I just can't see beating Detroit being a real win. I know they are good, I know they are in our divison, but if we beat them, who is going to say we are good?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    If we beat the Cowboys in week 2 then ppl will give us cred.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Romo has 1 TD in 4 pre-season games. Other teams struggle in the pre-season as well.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The problem with that line of thought johnny is that we're not playing like them, they're playing like us.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Also, God is a Good God and I hope he would never allow them to play in a Superbowl in their stadium.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Perhaps, but Jerry Jones COULD, in fact, be THE ANTICHRIST!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    That was good trac. Exactly.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    the proof will be in the pudding gents. I expect a solid offense this year that puts some points on the board. do i expect GSOT part 2? No, but i do think we will see alot more creativity and aggressiveness out of this new offense. The result will be better than last year just from those improvements alone. The 3rd and long is the only thing that i am worried about on this defense. It just seems like we are pretty successful stopping teams on 1st and 2nd down and then give up the farm on 3rd and 7 or more. Time to blitz Forrest off the edge to take the inside gap as Peppers power rushes from the outside.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    So then how do we have any chance of winning? Hell, he'd being throwing it away every play. I WANT the guy to try and win, shows he cares more about the game then padding his stats. Sooner or later the coach will figure out that you have to get an NFL caliber receiver to GO AFTER the pass, not just stand there dumbfounded as the DB cuts off the pass.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I've said this all along. Preseason game outcomes are totally meaningless. Not sure why anyone would focus on that... it's the play of individuals and certain squads (and their progression through the first three games) that matters. The rest is a tryout.

    Tomorrow's game will tell us absolutely nothing. Fuck the press for 0-4, they had their shot through the first three games when starters actually played. It's all about the first two real games now.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    When the whole theme of the article is being familiar and intellectually ready, I don't think he was talking about his shoulder.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sounds like a conspiracy theory GP.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Put Urlacher at the FS, Wright at the SS.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    It might just work.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Other way around and it could, Trac. I think I mentioned that last year and tumbleweeds blew threw the thread. Then again, the prospect of HH on the field at any time makes me reflux.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    trac....that's what the boy(BU) was when he was with the UNM Lobos

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    he was a Lobo back wasn't he Roboto? I think that was a glorified Safety forever lined up against the run and in the box.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    yep.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I just saw the replays of Cutler's 2 picks vs the Cards and both of them were 100% on him. On both, he had plenty of time, wasn't rushed, had plenty of time to stand in the pocket and throw.

    I'm not gonna treat this guy as elite anymore because he isn't. I'm not saying he can't be, but I'm done giving him the benefit of the doubt or blaming others for his mistakes. Yes, he has one of the best arms in the league, but what else has this kid proven?
    O-line problems aside, he has been less mobile than advertised, he's been inconsistent hitting targets, he seems to hold the ball too long sometimes and his attitude has been questioned. I hope Bears fans and media won't continue to make up alibis for him and give him a pass. He needs to show he's worth betting the franchise on NOW! Don't let him off the hook!

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Welcome to the club Crown, glad to have you aboard as an eye glass wearing, truth loving Bear Fan.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    When the Bears traded for him, I bet a bartender I know better than I should a beer that Orton would make the Pro Bowl before Cutler. He said I was insane, but I had a counter. "Ron Turner" was all I needed to say.

    Remember, folks, it cannot get worse from a play-calling perspective than it was last year. But I'm not going to try to retract that bet...

  • In reply to Crowned:

    No Tivo here, no recording devices whatsoever, but didn't Knox hang Cutler out to dry on one of those picks blowing another route ?

    Cutler gets another season of passes from me, maybe two, this is a complex new offense ... and what are the alternatives to Cutler anyway? Todd Fucking Collins? He's my age. I can put my back out with a cough.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I'll stand in the alley with Cutler. He has all the tools in his bag. He can scramble, he's got the footwork, he's got the cannon, he's not a pussy like Peyton, he's got the balls ... yes he needs to stop throwing it to the other guys and learn to put some of them up in the bleachers ... but he's trying to win. He's trying to compensate for the lack of talent at receiver and shitty blocking and no running game. That's a lot to overcome and look fashionable with. Dude went to the pro bowl in his third year. He throws about the same percentage of INTs as Jim McMahon did, but I remember Jimmy Mac as a winner with a ring on his finger.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    So will I Irish, but while I'm getting my ass kicked with him, don't think for a minute I won't tell him he's a stupid son of a bitch for dragging me into this mess.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    oh noes teh beras!

  • In reply to jdawg:

    what the?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Al, you'll love this. From John Clayton...

    Actually, not a bad grade out for jay: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview10/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5489176

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB, you're kidding right? Did you see who's right below him? This adds strength to my argument that #1, we couldn't afford him and #2, He hasn't been worth the sticker price.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    no, not kidding Trac.

    He got #16 (coincidence?) because of 27/26 LAST year. He projected a 95% chance of him being in the elite group again after this year... whereas he projected Orton wouldn't move an inch and might even pull back.

    For me, I don't think Jay's proven anything yet (to crown

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I like players to come in and show me who they are MB.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Totally agree with you trac, but I think the QB position is very different. You saw what we all did to poor rex. Fragile beasts.

    I think they deserve a little leway and some special treatment for the extra skills, both mental and emotional that they need.

    Geez, I sound like a social worker.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I got news for you MB, the Jay Cutler we have is the Jay Cutler that Denver traded to us for a Kings ransom. Oh that's right, the Bronco's just wanted to help us out.

    http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/11/13/jay-cutler-red-zone-disaster/

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Somebody name me one elite QB who had a shitty line, no receivers and no run game to take the pressure off them. Anyone. Bueller ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Dan Marino, Archie Manning, Warren Moon, Fran Tarkenton, Kenny Stabler, John Elway(Sacked more than any other Quarterback in the leagues history), Randall Cunningham, Dave Krieg, Phil Simms to name more than as few. I would have taken any of this quarterbacks from the McMahon era till now.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    trac..and all ran for their lives during their tenure.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I know lobo, just speaking to Irish's question. Bottom line, Cutler isn't the first to go through this. Some handled the pressure better than other.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    And how many of them sucked until the rest of the team got built around them? Hell, Denver was going to dump Elway for the same reason. Good thing they didn't.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    95% chance of being elite? I wouldn't put it that high, he has always thrown a lot of picks, but I like it. Thing is, Clayton has Schaub at #14 ? Sorry, but wasn't he the league leader in yards last year? Rivers at #7? Clearly Clayton doesn't play fantasy football. Those two guys are studs.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish, if you read the post again, I did preempt it by saying that it came from that douche clayton...

    ...but then trac whipped out his dick and pissed all over our bar.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bears waived RB Brandon Minor.
    Minor didn't earn a single preseason carry, so he should've known this was coming. The Michigan alum was unable to oust Kahlil Bell or Garrett Wolfe.

    Bears claimed C/G Edwin Williams off waivers from the Redskins.
    Williams went undrafted in 2009 out of Maryland, but should fit the Bears' power-blocking scheme better than the zone-blocking system he couldn't cut it in for Washington. A two-game starter last year, Williams has an outside chance to make the club. Chicago's line has looked terrible in preseason.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    We claim an O-lineman? So who are those guys on our bench? They're not good enough? We just lost two fullbacks man. I don't get that, I just don't.

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    I love this picture. We need to save this one and pull it out when the thread gets sideways on us.

    http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/959.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yeah, keep that one around

  • In reply to iamndmurff:

    Manning actually played a sound game against Zona. It was Chris Harris who looked really bad in that one. Almost like they switched brains for a game! That said, I have confidence in Chris Harris...even with what has been a shaky preseason for him.

    I do fear that Manning will be starting next to him come week one. I'd rather take some rookie lumps with Major now, then stick with the consistently stupid play of Manning which will more than likely show up again.

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    Harris better have a fucking brilliant game one otherwise, I'm done with him man. Bring in fucking Alfalfa please. The kid had a great rookie season. He just needs to shake the cobwebs that lovie put on him because he 'fell out of favor' whatever the fuck that means.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Harris still has the smarts and instincts; but does he still have the foot speed to catch up with his brain?

    What the fuke did Lava and C. Graham do to fall back so deep on the chart?

  • In reply to Crowned:

    You must not have seen the game Sat. Harris didn't display any smarts or instincts. He did display his lack of speed. I agree Manning in the lineup is a scary proposition but he looked good at SS last Sat.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I watched Canada. It looked like to me that he was in the right general area and took correct angles, but that he was too slow to be right on the ball to make a play.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    That TD where Peanut followed the WR into the end zone, Harris came up to close off the outside (he was already totally out of position) and the WR continued running towards the middle. It was horrible. He also got run over by a WR on the other TD but that happens.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Except with our WR's Canada. Our boys generally look like they run into a brick wall when a tackler shows up.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I say we put Cutler at RDE, Manning at QB, Mannelly at HBack, Onlin at KR, Adams at PR and let Virginia be the one and only Honeybear, complete with knee socks and pom poms.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Greg Olsen is on the trading block again. The reason no one is biting is because we want a 2 round or a 3 round, when he is only a 5 rounder at best.

    If we could trade him for two decent Db's or o-linemen, I will do it.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Source for rumor?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Espn.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Here's a shocker, I say keep him around. He's not costing us much and he provides depth at the position. No Olsen, no depth. Split him wide if need to use him, our receivers are too small anyway.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Dez will be our starting tightend, Manaua at halfback or fullback, Kellen Davis can be the back up tightend or halfback/fullback.

    That is if Greg Olsen gets traded. Doubt it but he is out there for the taking

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    traded!?..trade!? he's are golden Thor he's in LDL's BFF Club!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Generally speaking, players are traded because they either don't play to the level they were supposed to when they were signed or because their contracts are too heavy to carry. The problem with Olsen is he won't help out any other team more than he has us. The Bears would be better off making him lose 20 lbs and converting him to a full time WR.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    testify! Said it for months. Dude runs a 4.5 at 250!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I could live with a gay wide receiver. No wait, I've come over a little queer there ...ooh ...no I didn't mean that ... YOO - HOOOO !

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Funny. You haven't done your gay character in a while.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think I agree with the last paragraph trac. I'm not off yet, but unless he pulls out some serious QB skills this year, I am most certainly off the franchise bandwagon at least. Not saying he can't be just a better than average QB - but then yes, we will have paid way too much for him at that point (the sad/frightening thing is, he's the best QB we've had since JimmyMac regardless).

    Oh, and Irish, Tillman literally CAN'T be the SS. He is in no way built for that spot. The SS is traditionally a run support safety that almost always lines up on the TE and covers TEs and backs out of the backfield. They have to be bigger, stronger, and hit harder because they are basically an OLB that lines up further off the ball. Now, if you want to sell me Peanut as our FS? I very well might bite on that if Major Penis turns out to be a big tool (see how I did that?)

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Precariously close MB, precariously close.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Harris, Tillman, Afalava, Manning are all about the same size. Tillman at Free would take Wright out of the equation unless he's played some SS. Tillman could adapt to safety. Maybe we're jumping the gun on Harris, but I was never a fan. And both safeties need to be equally responsible in Cover 2 zones. The strong safety is the one who's zone the TE runs into, we don't play a lot of man, so there is no true SS. I know I'd rather have Tillman in there than Harris that's for sure. If we only want Harris for run support then why did we let Jamar go? I think he would have made a killer SS.

    Olsen for Jamar? They'd look like tools for doing it ....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Seriously?

    You don't have to say he is good or the god of football but damn, give the man at least gets a chance this year. He has no one to trust.

    Like Irish said, Name a qb that has had a shitty oline, crappy recievers, and no run game and still won games. It doesn't happen. Never has and Never will.

    Sure, we traded a lot for one player but I still think he was worth the risk, but you can't just say he sucks now because one year doesn't tell the whole truth.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    If Cutler doesn't grow up mentally and stop throwing int's we will never make the playoffs. Thus the term Anti-Bear.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And now you 4PS game preview and opening credits:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEwzYVbXfAk

    Our Players played by the smurfs

    JA played by Gargilmell
    LDL played by his cat

    ENJOY!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    dont' you just love they way the swoop in to save all...aaawwwhhh....now LDL let's all open our books to start singing kumbaya!!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    No wait..I found a group photo op and video with TP..JA..and of course our beloved leader LDL:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYDsoTe0AWY

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Here are the right combos gents:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Eddie Williams is the only FB we have left and he's definitely a pass catcher. Caught 54 passes in a season as TE with Idaho.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    No market for a tight end. They are a dime a dozen. Olsen is in the bottom half of tight ends in the nfc. No one wants him. New England drafted a 2nd rounder instead of trading a 2nd rounder for olsen.

    we are stuck with him. On the bright side...He looks exactly like He-Man

    http://www.vlsi.itu.edu.tr/twiki/pub/HEMAN/WebHome/HEMAN.jpg

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    too bad he doesn't fucking block like him.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Fantasy football TE rankings:

    Please note that although the Bears have four tight ends, the best ranking they have is starting at number 16.

    2010 Tight End Rankings

    1. Antonio Gates
    2. Vernon Davis
    3. Dallas Clark
    4. Brent Celek
    5. Jermichael Finley
    6. John Carlson
    7. Jason Witten
    8. Owen Daniels
    9. Tony Gonzalez
    10. Visanthe Shiancoe
    11. Chris Cooley
    12. Kellen Winslow
    13. Heath Miller
    14. Dustin Keller
    15. Zach Miller
    16. Greg Olsen

    OH, and he blocks like She-ra lol

    And I was thinking the same thing when the Pats drafted a TE in 2nd Round...not good for Olsen.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    The only thing that tells me is Olsen's stock is moving in the wrong direction. Last year he was ranked a lot higher than that and he finished the year in the #10 or 11 position.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB....he's his limp dick cousin Greg (Gaylord) Olsen keep it quite....

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    ha ha TRAC, U mean Urlacher at SS and Wright at FS, right?:)

    Wright should def be at FS, even if it's a harder position to learn for a rook, he still has young legs, which can help out if Tillman on that side get's beat.

    SS is the scary proposition: Manning is out of position; Stelz is slow; Harris, as CanadaBear noted, is out of position AND slow (remind me why we traded a very good LB for him again?); Afalava - jury is still out. Like someone else said, he's in the dog house for some reason, so who knows?

    One thing's clear: we should start Wright right away. The lions are a perfect learning curb for him. A second yr qb is not going to move him away with his eyes ala Peyton Manning, then, it's just gonna have to be trial by fire with the Cowgirls and FudgePackers next in line.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    And I wouldn't start KDavis for now, only for one reason: It would devalue Olsen in a trade. Starters get a hell of a lot more than second/third stringers in a trade, so until we get the most we can out of Olsen, we should at very least on paper say he's a starter.
    And seriously Sweetness23? We can't even get a fuckn 3rd rounder for him? Man, to think of all the guys we could have drafted in the late 1st round instead of him...a SS, a G, a WR...

    Once Olsen's gone, Kdavis at TE, and Dez is the perfect Hback. Just think about it. Davis, Dez, and Manu in their big set running it behind Kreutz, Garza, Louis...We wouldn't have to worry about all those sacks and ints, or even injuries to Cutler...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Stache..I knew he looked familiar.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    That's the crux Crown, and the answer is clearly no. If you're going to frak up you'd better have the speed to recover and he doesn't. Manning (or Tillman!) at Strong and Rookie Wright at Free, because there's no-one else. If Manning continues improving, great, if not there's Alfalfa and Stealth to fall back on.

    Oh, and there's a big difference between 0-4 and 1-3 pre-season if you look at what happened previously after those records were posted.

  • In reply to Crowned:

    Yes gents, I'm ahead of my time. At least I won't go down in flames like Jim Morrison or Jimmy Hendrix but you've got to give me credit, it takes moxy to be out on the cutting edge with you guys by bringing up a topic like the one I'm just about to unleash.

    This is ripe, the guy that wrote this must have been part clairvoyant as far as Shanahan goes but then he goes onto to say how steep of a price two 1st round picks would be for Cutler and at least the Bronco's weren't asking for a quarterback in the trade as well. Ooops, someone forgot to tell Jerry. It even get's funnier, the guy poses the question, "who would be crazy enough to give up 2 1st round picks for Jay Cutler?". Yes, that's right, you guessed it, "Da Bears".

    I believe Cutler is the Anti-Bear. I don't think the guy has "the gift" the great QB's have when it comes to making the right decisions on the field. As a matter of fact I think his physical skills have masked his poor game time decisions up till now and I'm officially off the Cutler band wagon.

    http://www.faniq.com/blog/Jay-Cutler-Likely-To-Be-A-Washington-Redskin-Blog-21634

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, you post this article and call him the Anti Bear? That very same article confirms that Shanny, who has won 2 superbowls as a coach and one as an OC has always been high on Cutler and then includes the final quote in an article that you find prophetic:

    And i quote:

    Trading for Cutler - regardless of the cost - may be the first smart thing Snyder has ever done."

    One more time for the kids that came in on the short yellow bus. The Bears needed a QB that they could build a team around. They went out and got a highly sought after QB with a lot of tread still on the tires and a street howitzer for an arm. We bitch and complain for years because of the douches they parade out there at QB and then say that Cutler is the "ANTI BEAR"? Am I in the fucking twilight zone? What the fuck is going on here?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Trac, the intended point of that article conflicted so greatly with the point of your comment that i just went on to BrewDog's website and bought a bottle of the second strongest IPA ever made called "Sink the Bismark!"

    I am going to drink that motherfucker during the first Detroit game while i curse your existence...blasphemy...not moxy.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    By the way, the beer is 41% alcohol by volume and i may die doing it so yes, MB, you can have my stereo

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    What kind of car do you drive Johnny?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    ...wait, shit. I just realized since i posted the BrewDog site... does... does that mean that if you die drinking it, that there is some type of blood-pact that means I have to make sure that your wife and new child are taken care of from then on? Common man, I'm already trying to take care of three!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    don't worry, i'll have my mother in law move in with you guys to help take the burden off you a little. you guys should probably meet before hand though so things don't get weird. should we just Skype?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    well, at least the sea air and weather out here might help tame her irritable bowle syndrome and colitis.

    Wait... another fucking mother in law!?!? Dude, I forbid you to drink that beer! Do you hear me!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    IBS is nothing to play with. Kelsey Grammar's wife was a spokesperson for Irritable Bowel Syndrome which immediately made her less hot because i couldn't stop thinking about skimpy womens underwear with stains on them.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    eeeewwwwww... think she'd be mad that I misspelled it too?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    btw, I think my brother has it... either that or he's just an asshole (get it?).

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    i get everything... i have an Intelligence Quotient of 131. I'm so smart I say the entire phrase and not just the initials.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    but that won't stop me from pounding Tactical Nuclear Penguin until i puke when we pound the Lionesses.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    johnny..if you pass to the great Bears field in the sky..can I have one of your squirrels?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Sometimes you gotta put down a wounded dog Waffle.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Trac, i'd put him down after he killed a kid on the street and not for peeing on the couch a couple of times (26 times)

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    especially since my previous dogs have been some of the worst dogs the neighborhood has ever seen and this is the first dog that i can build a family around.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'm the dog johhny, Cutler is the mailman. See how I did that?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    again if you pass..can I have one of your squirrels?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    you know you can Roboto

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    2006 Denver Broncos 81 137 27.4 59.1 1001 200.2 7.3 9 5 13 88.5
    2007 Denver Broncos 297 467 29.2 63.6 3497 218.6 7.5 20 14 27 88.1
    2008 Denver Broncos 384 616 38.5 62.3 4526 282.9 7.3 25 18 11 86.0

    Notice the last year once he got a couple years of experience in the same system, with an oline, and trustworthy receivers...3 things he DOESN'T have this year.

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    oops, it didn't quiet paste properly, let me try again:

    comp attempts att/g pct yds yds/G yds/att TD int sks
    384 616 38.5 62.3 4526 282.9 7.3 54 18 11

  • In reply to KissMyButkus:

    OH, forget it! main numbers:

    Total passing yards:4526
    Passing completion%:62.3
    Touchdown Passes: 25
    INT: 18
    QB Rating: 86.0

    Probowl:1

    IF you were a scientist running an experiment, you would have to conclude that the one variable that isn't the same isn't Cutler, but Da Bears,namely their lack of WR, LINE, and New Scheme. PERIOD.

  • I agree with ya Doc.

    It's time to.... get.... down... to..... BIZNESS!

    http://www.eatliver.com/img/2010/6132.jpg

  • After last game I'd like to see Manning at SS and Wright at FS. Harris was horrible. When he played for us before he was forever taking bad angles. He still is + there is ZERO makeup speed. Once he's out of position (which seems to be a lot), he's useless. I want Jamar back.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I would just use Manning on returns and safety blitzes. There is no one that is more lost is coverage than Manning. His head is always on a swivel, looking around like he's lost the ball.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Yup. As soon as Jamar was gone I lamented his passing .... should have made *him* the strong safety rather than let him go.

  • The only thing I can think of is if Olsen is the H-Back everyone in the stadium knows it's a pass. Who would use that guy for a lead blocker?

  • Sorry doc.

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