Breaking Down the New York Giants

I've seen all three of the Giants games this season, having just finished watching their odd contest with the Tennessee Titans.  They dominated the awful Carolina Panthers in the second half.  They were dominated throughout by the Indianapolis Colts.  Here's what I discerned from the Titans tape.

Offense

  • The Giants run game that ushered them to a Super Bowl victory was up-the-gut with Brandon Jacobs and Derrick Ward, countered with Ahmad Bradshaw taking off on the outside.  Their interior run game is almost non-existent now and they gained all their significant yards on outside pitches to Bradshaw.  Against linebackers of our speed, I don't see that working.
  • I counted a total of one completion made to a receiver in-stride, moving down the field and that was to tight end Kevin Boss in the seam.  This play has killed the Bears for years.
  • The Giants like to go three-wide and complete intermediate passes in front of the corners.  They've got three talented receivers - Manningham, Smith and Nicks - and our defensive backs need to make tackles in space.  The Bears like to force opponents into ten-plus play drives.  The Giants will oblige.
  • David Diehl and Kareem McKenzie will start for them at the left and right tackle spot, respectively.  And neither can block Julius Peppers.  Both will require significance assistance.
  • If Shaun O'Hara can't go again at center, look for Rod Marinelli to dial up some stunt blitzes for both Briggs and Brian to exploit the over-matched Adam Koets.
  • The Giants seem to throw to the backs as a last resort.  Both of their designed screens on Sunday were disasters.
  • Their play-calling around the goal line is boring.  Lots of drop backs that involve Eli standing in the pocket.  If the Bears increase pressure down there, they'll get turnovers.

Defense 

  • On a whole, I was terribly unimpressed with this unit and think the Bears are going to have the opportunity to score a boatload of points Sunday night.
  • They have faced three teams.  The one that wanted to throw the ball (the Colts) threw it at will.
  • The only thriving remnant of the championship defense, as far as I can tell, is Justin Tuck.  Tuck is still a brilliant player but they don't move him around the line of scrimmage.  He'll be lined up over Kevin Shaffer, most likely, the entire game.  Expect Brandon Manumaleuna to spend most of the evening at his side.
  • They almost sell-out their linebackers with mega-blitzes on third and anything over five yards. The Bears could gain big yards early with well-calculated screen calls.
  • The Giants linebackers are not particularly fast and not particularly versatile.  We'll have huge mismatches with Forte and Olsen whenever we line them up outside.
  • The trick to running the ball against this group is attacking the ends directly and not letting Tuck or Kiwanuka (Osi is essentially not on the team anymore) beat our tackles to the inside.
  • Justin Gage and Kenny Britt are talented guys but not speedsters and there were opportunities deep down the field against this secondary.  If Vince Young weren't the Titans quarterback, they would have scored at least ten more points.
  • In the fourth quarter, Giants defenders wanted nothing to do with the field and Chris Johnson ran through them.

Special Teams

  • Didn't see much of rookie punter Matt Dodge, as the Giants didn't punt much Sunday.  But he's mostly struggled in his rookie season.
  • Lawrence Tynes is one of the most inconsistent kickers in the game.  He pushed a low-forties kick about six or seven yards right.
  • They acquired Darius Reynaud from the Vikings in the Sage Rosenfels deal and he's returning their kicks and punts.  He doesn't seem like a big threat.
  • Their return games have struggled so badly, they're moving some starters onto the units.  I think we might have a big game returning the ball.

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  • Giants... DEAD!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB..Damn you by being first@!#$%$!@#%$#!@$#!@$#..lol

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Exactly Lobo, exactly.

    BTW, you can have my first... you guys know I'm not into it.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Is that a that's what she said? lol

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    But basically, like MB said ... Giants ... DEAD.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Someone mentioned awhile back that the highest rated D against passing is misleading. They have given up more touchdowns than we have and we are almost last in D passing.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Often teams with bad run defenses have decent pass defenses. Simply a matter of the opposing offense not having to bother throwing the ball.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    That was me!:) The Giants were like 4 in pass D, but allowed more passing TDS...Like I said b4, I would rather allow 500 yds passing and no TDs allowed in the game, than allow 150yds passing and 3passTDs...even if it might give me a heart attack or two to watch lol

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Holy Shawshank Prison Rape Batman! Damn, see now another idol of mine I've just lost all respect for.

    http://www.yourtango.com/201082539/morgan-freeman-free-marry-step-granddaughter

    http://www.moronail.net/images/stories/dg_pictures/0901/901.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP...Damn right there with you on the idol thing..I think I may have just puked in my mouth. Wow....this is were the dueling banjo may start. sheite!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    that's wrong GP. Damn man. Seriously.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wow. Just wow. And the second link would be a great T-shirt, if , y'know, someone had the balls to actually wear it.

    Breaking it down, she's 27, they're not related. Leaving his wife of 26 years - well, I never met his wife. It's the former step-granddaughter's motives you'd have to question, not his. We not what *his* motives are ...

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Umm Jeff, how has our new tight end looked to you? Because I haven't seen one positive thing from him yet.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    He hasn't exactly been out as much as I thought he would be. It's a good question. Maybe I'll target that soon.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Just turned on the video and Manu manhandled Clay Matthews on back to back plays on the first drive

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    AND as he did I could swear I heard him say:
    "You AIN'T no Samoan! Cut that hair, white trash'

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I don't think Brandon Jacobs cares for contact anymore.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    and Lach owes him one from preseason last year....

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    He's seeing very little playing time.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Pretty sure Jacobs is actually the hamburgler.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I had no faith going into this season, from the end of last year until the end of preseason. It's early, but I love what Lovie's done so far. Hire some experienced coaches and don't fuck around. If you don't perform, someone will replace you. Step up to the plate or you get demoted. If you don't like it, perform at a higher level or fucking leave. I think the coaches are looking at the big picture. Everyone on the team is going to need to make contributions eventually. Injuries will happen. The last two weeks new guys have made contributions. How refreshing. This team is getting reinvigorated. I don't give a shit how much you make or how much you think your worth, perform. If not, someone else will step up to the plate and try to get that big contract.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Agreed. Lovie's not really our problem. Unfortunately the same consequence-related punishments don't apply to our GM or President. They deserve to be homeless and unwanted, seriously.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    +1. When you hire a new employee and they suck, no matter how much you pay, get rid of them right now.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Posted too fast without thinking Irish. You never realize how much those people cost you until they are gone.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    I know what not carrying somebody's pads cost Dez Bryant ....

    "IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys rookie wide receiver Dez Bryant knew there would be payback for refusing to carry teammates' shoulder pads during training camp.

    The check came due this week at the traditional rookie-picks-up-the-tab dinner. The damage: $54,896.

    The meal was supposed to be only for offensive players, but more than 20 guys showed up at a steakhouse -- and brought their appetites, said Bryant's adviser, David Wells. The story first was reported by ESPN.com.

    For more on the Dallas Cowboys, check out the latest from our bloggers.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    (edit) lobsters...

    Much better.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Uh, I don't think even lobsters will get you up to $2500 a head. Unless the whole team came, brought their families, cracked open $300+ bottle after bottle, and then set fire to the place... Sheesh.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    It was the the 44 or 45 dollar steaks and then the lobster wasn't cheap either.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    That was hilarious Michael. Was calculating that myself and wondering - we talking about some kind of Vikings Love Boat On Land or what?

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    I'd tip over 20% on that.

  • In reply to 750mL:

    Jeff, best and deepest single game analysis I remember you doing. Nice job.

    It feels like we're getting ready to be on a roll - a roll that feels like 2006. D not as good as then but O possibly better - certainly QB better - 100% better coaching - and ST's maybe starting to look like they did then.

    Pursuing that theme, I'm all for the concept of trying to rev up DH by putting him back on KO's - hasn't he returned as many of those as he has punts for TD's? Who cares about fatigue in his other job - if he runs one back we're on D anyway.

    The timing feels right - we need to DOUBLE DOWN right now! Shoot the moon! ALL IN!!!!

    I feel a ALL THREE PHASES BREAKOUT GAME coming!!!!!

    YOU GOT ME ALL JUICED UP JEFE!

    BEAR DOWN AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    No, he's up to 8 PR, 4 KR, 1 FGR, and 1 SB-KR for TDs...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Even steak and lobsters for everyone and taking bottles of wine home that would be hard to reach $2500 per. Lots of Crystal. There is a $400 bottle of Dom we used to sell too.

    I'd like a doggie bag for the 8 lobsters I ordered. They probably feed their dogs filet mignon.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    So did Shafter. What do you think about Frankie at Left Tackle?

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    Yeah, I'd like to see some definitive stuff on Omelette there. He sucks all last year at guard, sucks at RT and now is suddenly a force to be reckoned with at LT? How is his run-blocking? And what the hell happened with Asiata? Or is Edwin Whatshisface just that good?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish, he didn't suck at RT.
    I would start wondering if it's really the guys playing Guard that are the issue or if it is the fact they're not getting any help on the A gaps from Olin. He looked semi-mobile last year on some screens, but no idea if he can move more than a foot at a time now.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    i can't fucking believe that i'm saying this after the ridiculous behavior and the brutal comments. I have to say it though.

    I want Haynesworth on my D-Line.

    Hub Arkush thinks he would look great on our d-line and i agree. We just aren't getting the pressure from Izzy, Melton, AA, Harrison and Harris. Is Haynesworthless the answer? the redskins took the ass raping on the front end and the yearly salary wouldn't be too bad. i know i am ashamed to even say it but he loves our 4-3 and would provide that push upfront that Peppers needs to be truly effective. i'm drunk.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    No, no, no, no, no and no.

    No.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Haynesworth is all-world in the 4-3.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Now, I'm not kidding myself: there are some grade-A dickheads that play football in Chicago. I mean, they are not Hawkeye Pearce in stretch pants. However, is the solution to having one malingering malcontent who used to be all-world cutting him and bringing in another ex-all-world 4-3 DT who doesn't like to practice, listen to his coaches, or avoid punching/kicking opponents?
    If Shanahan isn't getting through to Fat Albert, how in theeeee fuck do we think Lovie would? Marinelli obviously hasn't been able to work his magic on Harris yet.
    Sorry, but I don't see what problem Tommie's causing that Albert could solve.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    +1 MBHDP

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Just watched the game again on NFL replay.
    Man, that kind of stuff NEVER gets old!

    While I respect Aaron Rodgers' abilty (he IS my fantasy team's QB for the 2nd straight year) it was soooo satisfying to see the Bears wipe that stupid grin off his face in the end.

    Rodgers and Crosbie scored JUST enough points to LOSE to the bears Monday and just enough points for my fantasy team, The White Elephants, to come from behind and go to 3 & 0 ! What a daily-double!

    Our team's motto: "Ugly, but effective."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Then you have lost all objectivity for drafting Rogers. I don't know if I can ever look at your posts the same way ever again Albert. You cheese lover you.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    This is not a FREE league, Trac, and I am a well-established pragmatic, pessimist.

    People who bet with their heart instead of their brain go broke doing so.

    Objectivity is why I drafted him. Picked 8th and all the top runners were gone with the wind.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Ha ha. Albert: I'm with you, just having fun. It in no way has any bearing on your manhood. A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I have some Packers players but so far they have all stunk it up.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al, if I played FF, my team would be called, "You're eating the Peanut, out of my forced fumble"

    And our team motto would be, "We're small... but we're slow"

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    That may be the best motto ever MB....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Feel free to use it at will Irish.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So much better than 'Get me a Forte Ouncer, bitch!'

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I'm also very partial to:

    "I'd ratrher be lucky than good".

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    My fantasy team's name is Gould-en Shower. Motto: We're gonna piss right on your fucking face.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    lol nice mottos...maybe:

    "All we do is win"

    or something zen

    "Undefeated but winless"

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Wonder where Cheesy and the Suckster have been.

    Maybe the Donut Burger, Milwaukee's favorite fast food!

    http://www.moronail.net/images/stories/dg_pictures/1009/7F6BB4A450AB-1.jpg

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Mmmmmmmmm... sweet potato fries.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Nick Collins:

    I'm sure fans yelled at you but, frankly, after the way the Packers stunk up the joint, it COULD WELL HAVE BEEN CHEESEHEADS hurling the insults!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This is... uhhh... fly: http://widget.nbc.com/videos/nbcshort_at.swf?CXNID=1000004.10045NXC&widID=4727a250e66f9723&clipID=1252017&showID=243>

    No seriously, it's really good.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Whoops, try this: http://widget.nbc.com/videos/nbcshort_at.swf?CXNID=1000004.10045NXC&widID=4727a250e66f9723&clipID=1252017&showID=243

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    um, getting to the qb

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    When did Albert start doing that again?

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I've been asking for Haneysworth since the beginning of the season, but ONLY if we don't give up anything less more than a 3rd rounder and bit player. The Titans and Jeff Fisher still want him - and if he's good enough for Jeff Fisher, he should be good enough for us. I seriously think he's being a douch right now cuz he hates Shanahan and gang. He was a bit ineffective last yr, but no more than most 3rd rounder we pick, so why not?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Apparently all it took was one.

    Giants coach Tom Coughlin has some clear advice for rookie punter Matt Dodge when it comes to Devin Hester: "Kick it out of bounds. Don't let him have the ball."

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I guarantee that idiot punter hangs one up for DH Sunday night. They can't resist.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Peppers loves it here.

    http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/09/28/julius-peppers-loving-his-decision-to-sign-with-bears/

    I was really worried he might come in with a prima donna, work when he wants to or a better than everyone else attitude. So far, complete opposite. I am extremely impressed with game changing Ghost Peppers. The love is reciprocated Mr. Peppers. Now if we can just get someone to take advantage of those double teams your drawing.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Love that article.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    We rag on Lovie often on here and for good reason...but we should be thankful that he helped bring Peppers here if this article is to be believed.

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    Credit where credit is due. I don't think Lovie has ever been accused of having the players not love him.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    That's okay. Let's just hope they try another 55 yard field goal and throw Devin back in the end zone...

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    + hell yeah

  • In reply to BearDown1982:

    My reaction exactly... kudos!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Check out Hester and Webb on Thayer's Play of the Week. I hope the O can gel like that the rest of the season.. Good play.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Asiata was cut the other day and has since been re-signed to the practice squad.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    They basically swapped Edwin Williams and Asiata between the PS and active roster.

    Williams was the kid they scooped up before the 4th preseason game (after the first round of cuts) when WAS waived him. They clearly like him a lot...

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    '85, this one's for you lad: http://www.chicagobears.com/photos/index.asp?SECTION_ID=381

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks.

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    damn it, it just went to the front page... damn cb.com site.

    I meant to link directly to the pic of Rodgers getting crushed by Melton. page 6, top right.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Wasn't it right after that play Aaron Rodgers did a F you move?

    I don't know if Melton is any good but damn he got through that line better than any nose tackle I have seen so far.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    That's just one play though.. I swear he has been very inconsistent

  • In reply to Bears85Sweetness23:

    I expect this game to be a BLOW OUT! we can hold this team to under 10 points.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    See this? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/09/29/giants.injuries.ap/index.html

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Trolling the Giants' sites, they don't seem too gone on their special teams - Hester might take it to the house again. Eli doesn't appear to be the problem or the root of their woes at all. The Colts murdered them because Mathis and Freeney were in his face as soon as the ball was snapped, so I hope Tommie is allowed out of the doghouse. We'll need him. And we'll need the running game to show up.

    The Giants are the fourth best defense in passing yards allowed. They're at the opposite end of the spectrum in run defense. Hopefully they'll start Osi and we can run it at him all day. Kiwanuka will be all over us, and that JPP looks like a freak, but we can have at their linebackers if Martz has the nards to run it.

    They might also commit Hari Kiri the way the Fudgers did - Giants had five unsportsmanlike conduct calls last week! Their receivers had a lot of tipped balls against the Colts and one might expect our newly-found hard-hitting rep to make them take their eye of the ball a few times.

    But most important of all we need to be in Eli's face quick smart or he'll march that ball up and down the field on our weary defense.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    They have played Matt Moore and Vince Young. If Peyton wanted to, he could have thrown for 1,000 yards in that game.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Once I see Matt Moore in a sentence all further stats are mush. Good point. Jay might even get away with throwing a bunch of picks.

    And thanks to whoever mentioned The League - watched them all last night, good stuff. It must be fun to live in the home of football.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    But if they're giving up the run (26th) then we need to take advantage of that and not just ignore it. Cutler will get tattooed if we just make no attempt to get the run going. And then it's Doug Flutie time ...

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Aww fuck man this game is on sunday night? what the fucken shit man, I gotta listen to Cris Collinsworth through the whole game. FUCK! that guy is the douche among douches

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    +1... 00000000000

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Gruden is the Duke of Douche

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Personally, I just zone them about like you do a fat chick in your class.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    And btw I'm starting to think that Mr. Tommie Harris doesn't deserve to be on a line that includes the great Julius Peppers. Talk about coming from different schools - it's Short Bus Juvie Academy vs. West Point. Tommie Harris simply doesn't have the character makeup to be on our team, and this year, chemistry amd character seems to be making a huge comeback. Briggs, Urlacher, Tillman, now Peppers, these guys are all pulling the same sled. Tommie's off peeing in the snow and trying to hump a baby seal.

    I guess I'm saying maybe he needs to go. Haynesworth on this line? I say YESSSSSSSS. He's a mean bastard. Not a criminal as far as I know.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    what a waste

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    +1. Talked about "Unfulfilled promise".

    He was SOO dominant before he got dinged.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Well if you consider cleating someone's face while they're helpless on the ground during a game not a crime... but I suppose the police didn't.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/2010/09/odds_and_ends.html

    Some impressive tidbits in there...

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Mark me down as the one who's still not ready to give up on Tommie. I started to see(again) what he does for this line towards the end of '09, not quite as good as the old Tommie but perhaps coming on again. I don't think we've seen the last of him this year as a bear, just think the coaching staff is putting him on notice. Here's to Tommie showing us and the team why he still needs to be here. Go tear shit up, Tommie, I know you can.

  • In reply to bnjrmyn:

    That's you and me on a small boat Ben. I was in Urlacher's corner last year and that same belief is still there with Tommie. An 80/90% Tommie is better than anyone else we have to slot in, and there will be no more trades/acquisitions this year for the Bears. He got pressure in his two appearances so far, more than we got without him, and against better O-lines. If there really is a physical problem there then no other team will want him anyway. Let's just hope it's in his head.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    I am under the impression that Tommie just physically cannot do the job anymore. He's knee is shot. He cannot get any leverage pushing off that knee. This is what made the decision to essentially choose tommie over Alex Brown so stupid. BUT im not going to harp on that. He can still be used in certain situations but as far as Im concerned, Tommie Harris should not be playing significant minutes again.

  • In reply to PhilfromSATX:

    Giants 24 Bears 9
    Because the bears can only score field-goals still. And also The football Gods are looking down at the bears and saying OK - I've given you 2 wins on bad ref calls, now the rest of the season, you are on your own to get to your destiny of 8-8 - you mediocre lucky bastards.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, and make sure to come back on after the game will you please?

    ps. GREAT handle. BAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHahahahahahah!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hello fellas! Been a long while. Have been out of commision for some time. ANYWAYS..... Bears will be 8-0 entering Bi-Queens game. Mark my words. Too many "easy" wins coming up. Don't see a tough game besides maybe Seattle.
    Giants=W
    Panthers=W
    Seattle=W
    Skins=W
    Bills=W

  • In reply to BAM46Blitz:

    welcome back mang

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Chicago Hope according to Peter King: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/?eref=sinav

    Welcome back BAM. Mrs. Rodgers up there doesn't seem to agree with you.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, no!

    When Peter King hops on your bandwagon, you need a new bandwagon!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh OK the bears are just as mediocre as anyone in this washed out league. That's the problem with the league being so bad, it makes the bears look decent! HAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAA!!
    Green Bay was robbed in that game, even Hub Arkish said that - He said something's wrong with the officiating when one team gets 18 penalties and the other gets 5 -You're lucky you got the breaks, Rodgers picked apart that defense like it was freakin practice! Have fun with your dumb ass coach Lucky Smith, and watching the playoffs-minus the bears - AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND....

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    With your way of thinking, you make our public school system look good Rodgers. Sorry Charlie, there's no curve grade in the NFL. If we are so mediocre and you lost to us, I can't wait until you Cheeseheads wrap up the rest of their schedule. How many Buffalo games do you have left on your schedule? Baaaahaaaa

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Ring ring. Bart Starr needs his sponge bath and his baby food. Time for you to go to work.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Hub Arkush was fired by the Bears a couple of seasons ago BUT I am sure his opinion is as totally UNbiased...as yours.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Perhaps it is because the Fudgies were the most penalized team in the league last year, so this year officials are wise to the dirty raiders play that makes up that team. Maybe Woodson brought it with him.

    And Hub never said that, you are just making shit up now.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    You know, this might actually be THE ARodgers. We should show him the respect he deserves, even if he is a fucking prick. No, really, you deserved that.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Yes, they WERE "robbed". They only drew TWENTY flags when they really deserved so many more!

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Just face the facts that your beloved Packers are undisciplined and lack the skill to get the job done unless they cheat. Stop fucking cheating and you won't get thousands of penalties called against you. Arkush said that and another guy said he saw at least 6 more holding calls that didn't get called. Are you banging Hub? Is he your dad? Is there some reason why his analysis matters and no one else's? you are fucking brutal. Stop fucking cheating Packers and you won't get called for cheating all of the time. STOP FUCKING CHEATING.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    What makes the Packer Special Teams "Special" ?

    TWO forward passes on the same kick-off return.

    THAT, folks, is SPECIAL.

    Think they learned that in "Special Class".

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    MrARodgers, you're ugly.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Man I dont know if any game will be as great as last Mondays beating of the Pack... but I think this Sunday's game will most definately be less of a nail biter. The streets of Sacramento shall hear our Bear Down cheer ringing from my house once more. Oh and I will do my shirtless win parade down the street again on Sunday so get your cameras ready kids! lol

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Anyone who listens to Hub regularly as I do, knows that he would just assume shoot himself them compliment the Bears.

    Cry all you want. You lost. Was it an ugly game? Sure. However, the disparity in penalites was NOT poor officiating. It was result of GB packers CONSTANTLY being out of positiion all night. Go back and watch everyone of the holding calls. The offensive line got burned and was forced to hold.

    Face it. Your team looked, smelled, and played like dogshit. Deal with it, Sally.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    "Rodgers picked apart that defense like it was freaking pratice"...

    HAHAHAHA. To the tune of a whopping 17 total points. I think we've gotten to the bottom of why the Packers looked so bad. They need to amp up the practice routine! Sally.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Robbed.. robbed of any tallent maybe. Robbed of the ability to block a pass rusher and robbed of any common sense. "Hey I heard a whistle.. now let me pile-drive this guy" Even with one of the most consistant QB's and receiving corps they still couldnt get it done. Now go lick your wounds and we'll see your last game of the year.

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    They were certainly robbed of the ball thanks to Briggsy ....

  • In reply to Jlehr:

    At the end of the day, the sexy super bowl pick came into town and got smacked upside the head and were sent packing. So to speak.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Nothing to do with one team having to hold a lot more and being more undisciplined? And according to the great Hub Arkush, Bill Cowher was supposed to be coaching us this year. He had 'inside information'. Shhssh.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pretty close to my prediction. I have the Bears 28, Giants 17. King has the Bears 27, Giants 16. I'm going to stick with my formula by averaging out the points scored against teams to make my predictions from here on out. I wonder what formula Vegas uses?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    They use what they think will get an even number of people to bet both sides then they win no matter what.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Well, an even amount of money... but basically yes.

    It's actually a little trickier than that because some teams tends to get heavy action (including the Bears), so they have to keep shading the line away from them.

    But because of the juice, books will still make money if they set accurate lines -- so they spend a lot of money and effort to do so.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Interesting: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

    What a tool. Why don't you go back to watching your highlights from the Bills game. Haaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaa. As a matter of fact, why don't you go ice fishing on January 2nd and save yourself the aggravation when the Bears travel to Green Bay to finish what we started. I'm so glad we get end your season by giving you something to ponder on during the long cold winter in Cheese land. Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    brutal post. I know it's tough to commit costly penalties that wipe out TD passes just like it's tough to watch your team commit costly cheap shot penalties that caused an INT to be wiped out. How about trying not to commit costly penalties and just play the game? When you cheat you lose...and the Pack can't block without cheating. I have even heard some Packer fan cry about the punt return and how the punter WAS BLOCKED IN THE BACK????? Are you guys really going to go there? Sad and weak.

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Normally I'd say "You want some cheese with that whine?"
    but you no doubt have plenty of cheese. How about some bread to go with that load of baloney?

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    Is Ghost of Halas dead?

  • In reply to MrARodgers:

    and what bad ref calls are the "GODS" talking about? Do you know we should of beat your sorry asses by 13 points but missed a FG and a TD.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Repeating for your benefit, Irish.

    Quoth Tom Coughlin on his Special teams:

    "They've been horrible."

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Like I said several posts ago, Giants were walking to the sideline openly jawing to Coughlin. The last time I saw that kind of open insubordination it was in 2006 with Art Shell and the Raiders that went 2-14.

    Manning still has his mechanics and instinct that got him a Super Bowl ring, but he has this sheepish look on his face like he really doesn't want to be there.

    Maybe the pressure of being at home turns a corner for them, but they were home against the Titans and rolled over. The Bears should win this game. I hope our tackles hold up and we plan for the rush better, but we'll see a 4-3 similar to what we run, so that should help.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I wonder if San Diego sounds better now.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The Giants have given up 18, 38, 29 pts.
    The Bears have given up 14, 20, 17 pts.

    I look to see the Bears beat the Giants 28 - 17.

  • Murderlised.

  • Not counting my chickens till they're hatched.

  • if any of you are trying to make any money, they Giants are -4 in this game.

    "I tried to let it go, but they keep pulling me back in."

  • The first of two short week road games this year. Take them down Bears. Let's get the run game going and throw some deep play action passes. Shut down the run game and make Manning throw all game. The formula seems to be working.

  • Fifth!!!! close to first...Bears 17 Giants 14 Book it Dano!

  • oh btw.... Please Baby Jebus..my favorite of all the Jebuses ...please speak to LDL....be it from a burning bush, beaming light from above or the voice of Charlton Heston from the sky tell him to let DH go...by the words of Nike..."JUST DO IT"..

    Place him on KR'S and PR's and watch the "Windy City Flyer" FLY!!!!

  • I like it. I re-edited the end of that movie and put it up on Youtube by the way. I hate hollywood endings. Anyone see Case 39? Scary movie. Awesome. Nothing scarier than evil little bitches. But then you get to the end and you can't believe they did that. Test screenings ruin good movies.

  • The Giants have lost their last five regular-season home meetings against the Bears since a 28-24 victory in 1969. The winner of the last two meetings - in 2006 and 2007 - has gone on to the Super Bowl.

  • Oh no, you got Dierdorf on your shoe.

  • Personal foul - fifteen yards.

    Sorry, thought it was still Monday night.

  • Giants are 1-2 but your point is still valid with people talking about players yelling at Coughlin during the game as they come back to the sidelines and him being on the hotseat soon if they lose a few more.

    They are getting backed against the wall a bit. Could be dangerous if they pull together. We need to strike quickly and keep the boot on the throat. No fucking around.

  • Are we getting a complex? I'd read a headline about Osgood but not the story. I'm not trying to be an asshole but how in the hell does someone like the ex figure to get away with it? You have to be dumber than a sack of hammers to do something like that. Down in Florida they will put that dumbass away and throw away the key. DUH!

    BTW, thanks for posting both articles. I was too late to the party about the announcers!!!!!!

  • Holy shit, that is great. You at least get offsetting penalties on that one. You know this means that she was going through puberty when Seven came out. She flicked her bean to that shit. That's a messed up chick right there.

  • I'm sue it's been floated:

    Harris for Haynesworth.

    What does either team have to lose at this point?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Only thing that kills it is that Harris has no clue how to play NT either.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Oh Ocho! you so crazzzy!

    http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=5632614

  • because that shit was fucking fuuuuuuny. If I had been eating a donut it would have gone out my nose.

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