Tilting at the Rumor Mill

It's a journalistic trick, you see?  Something New York baseball writers have been doing to the Mets for a decade.

The Chicago Tribune comes out with a report that Bears management has met with the agent of Julius Peppers and the city of Chicago begins bursting with the hope that a notoriously frugal franchise is moving into the modern financial era.  (Though that phrase feels a bit wrong in the current economic climate.)
The Sun-Times, not to be outdone, allows Neil Hayes to report that an anonymous NFL source is wagering steak dinners that Brandon Marshall will end up in a Bears uniform.  The loser now will be later to win. For the times they are a-changin'.
Ignore it.  All of it.  Might the Bears make a big splash in the coming month?  God willing.  But if fans start believing every third-rate rumor that channels out of Indianapolis and Adam Schefter and (gulp) Neil Hayes, they'll wind up with Peyton Manning and the Lions first-round draft pick.  Remember the following: (1) Julius Peppers is going to cost the McCaskey family between 12-15 million dollars a year.  They would be initiating the most lucrative contract in the history of the organization.  (2) Brandon Marshall is one of the top three receivers in the sport.  He's a pain in the ass but he's remarkable.  There are going to be fifteen teams that want his services and all fifteen teams will have better draft-pick compensation to offer.  
We all want these players and there's nothing wrong with crossing your fingers and hitting refresh on ProFootballTalk every couple hours.  The Bears should be creative and should find ways to get these deals done.  But to expect them to make these moves is to be naive and plays directly into the hands of a media waiting to pounce the organization for standing pat.
And keep in mind the worst fact of all.  Any move that does not work out in 2010 will become the problem of entirely new leadership in 2011.         

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  • Firstest with the mostest!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    ...actually, I got nothing.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Odds J. Peppers becomes a Chicago Bear: 33%

    Odds B. Marshall becomes a Chicago Bear: 0% SQUADUSH!

  • In reply to Shady:

    Baby T.O. coming to Chicago? I don't buy it. Peppers coming to Chicago? Maybe. Martz's needs will get him a new blocking TE and a 1 way ticket for Olsen out of town. Lovie on the other hand has more on the line seeing Defense is supposed to be what got him the job in the first place. It may be Peppers but mark my words, and big contract money is going to be on the defensive side of the ball. Hopefully by the end of the weekend we'll have a better idea of what going on inside Halas Hall.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    By the way, who's love child was Olsen? Turner's or Lovie's?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Jeff, if grasshoppers had machine guns, birds wouldn't jack with them. As Bears fans we constantly have to deal with the "if" factor.

    If Cutler........
    If Tommie........
    If the Cover 2......
    If, if, if, if. The story of our lives with one exception(1985). That's life in the big city. Sign the man(Peppers), "IF" we want to watch our team next year with any glimmer of hope.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I'll bet you a steak dinner we get Peppers!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Ruth's Crisp?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Steak%20Dinner

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I would look at Aarron Kampman,before last years injuries and the scheme change on the defensive side...Kampman was a beast. But if we do get Peppers, i would be thrilled. B Marshall would be awesome as well.

  • In reply to Csharp:

    I wouldn't rule AK out. He's probably worth the risk for the price. Marc Columbo ring a bell.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    With Marshall, you also have to factor in the team...I find it nearly impossible that the Broncos would send Marshall to the Bears, when they have an interest in "looking right" regarding the Cutler deal...why would they want to send Cutler another weapon from the same team...the Broncos would seriously be very dumb to do that...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    The Broncos want a 1st round pick for Marshall which makes the Bears chances = Nil, Zip, Nada, Nyet.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Lets fucking sign Peppers already and then sign Darren Sharper, ooo man how does the defense look now?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Top 3 reasons why we will realistically try to break the bank for peppers:

    1) no playoffs means lovie and jerry probably lose their jobs... big incentive.

    2) Elite pass rusher has the greatest potential to fix our broken cover-2 scheme. More so than a safety will. If the QB has all day to let plays develop, it won't matter who is in our secondary.

    3) Just jacked up ticket prices after a down season... makes the fans happy, restores the buzz around chicago. Great for business. We have the cap space and the cash to pull it off.

    one reason the bears will not sign peppers:

    1) fucking redskins will come in with a 18 mil/year offer and WAY overpay hoping that Peppers + Hanesworth will elevate their sorry asses back to the top of the over-rated NFC east. I don't think the Pats or Eagles will overpay any more than we will.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Jimmy, not a foregone conclusion.
    1)If Lovie goes say, 8-8 or 9-7 I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 2 more years.
    2)I agree with you on a pass rusher as long as he can stuff the run as well.
    3)Any increased ticket price will most likely only cover increased expenses already incurred.
    4)Lovies going for broke, I do believe he will find someone to fill a few holes on D. It may not be Peppers but I think we will get some help.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Seems spot on Shady. Larry Mayer has put the kibosh on any kind of a trade for Marshall. Seeing as he resides somewhere up Lovie's anal cavity, worrying .....

  • Thanks, Murph. You smartass. Haha.

  • How about this- WR1 Brandon Marshall WR2 Devin Aromashudo WR3 Johnny Knox WR4&5 Bennet and Hester......ooo man Marshall and Aromashudo would a be sick combo.....

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Fresno, it'll never happen my friend. Don't waste anymore brain cells thinking about...just trying to bring you down softly.

  • do you know that DaBEARS pretty much kept the vikings out of the super bowl by beating them in week 16, since they lost that game they lost homefield advantage through the playoffs.

  • I don't see Hester's value doing anything but dropping after this season. I'd like to see us offer Hester and this year's 3rd rounder for Marshall and see if we can get Denver to bite. With Marshall, DA, Knox, Bennett and Olsen do we really need Hester anymore. I know, blasphemy, but if you really look at it Manning and Knox can handle the return game. Hester's real value to us(and maybe Olsen's for that matter) is as trade bait. I'm sure moving one of both of them will come back to haunt us, but I think the juice is worth the squeeze.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Hester/Olsen do not make our team better. If anything their presence on the team stunts our ability to move forward and improve. As long as we have them lurching in the shadows Lovie will use them at the expense of other developing talent.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Lovie doesnt know where to puhttp://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6591t this guy

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6591

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Peppers, wont happen. Marshall, nope. We'll get Aaron Kampman because he is cheaper to fill in Adams' spot. Thats all folks...

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Ok, I have been all over jeff's takes the last couple days but he got this one right between the eyes. Couldn't agree more! I know as Bears fans all we have are 'what ifs' & 'maybes' but a little reality is good for our collective sanity. As a Chi-town to NY transplant the mets comparison is right on. So does that mean if I laugh at Mets fans for their foolish hope every year that I'm really laughing at myself...???

    PS: Adam Schefter is a large douche. He used to bash ESPN before he sold his soul to them. And he overpronounces every syllable like he is trying to teach an ESL class.

  • In reply to customJMO:

    Pompei is also a douche and is casting similar aspersions on the blind and stupid amongst us who agree with the airlocking of O****. The fact that Pompei thinks it would be ludicrous to trade Olsen cements it for me. Trade him yesterday.

    Marshall requires a 1st pick so that's not going to happen. Unfortunately. Orton threw this guy 21 bubble screens in one game. He's had over 100 receptions a year since he was 4 years old. I wanted this deal done above all other. Not to be.

    Peppers will be a Redskin if it's purely about money, but he's got more chance of a super bowl with Chicago than he has with Washington. Although I guess that's debatable.

    Sharper seems to be a penalty kick. A one year contract with a FS shouldn't be too hard to work out. Pay the man. If we don't get help at FS then an awesome and messed up situation I'd like to see in a parallel universe is either Urlacher or Williams at FS. Steltz/Payne aren't doing it for me. And still no one has commented on Lovie's combine comments regarding Manning to SS. What's the plan ?

    By the bye, came across an interesting site for stats ...

    http://profootballfocus.com/by_player.php?tab=by_player&season=2009&page=&surn=O&playerid=3647

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Ssss Sup Superbowl, did some one say Sss ss Sup Superbowl?

  • In reply to customJMO:

    Anyone find Kampmann's kneecap yet ?

  • In reply to customJMO:

    Irish, did u just ask "Whats the plan?" What makes u think that Love Stain & Jerr Bear could even put a plan together for a checkers game?

    Even tho he has made me jump outta my chair more than any Bear in a long time, I think Hester's time is up. He is about the only player on our roster we could get someone to overpay for. We don't need him, Manning & Johnny. Time to cut some of the fat from this team and sell what we have a surplus of. I love him therefore I don't want to lose him but we have bigger needs than being 3 deep in kick returners.

  • In reply to customJMO:

    Here's the thing with Hester. I thought what you did with speed receivers is point them towards the endzone, get them to churn their muscly legs up and down, and then throw them the ball fifty yard stylie. If they don't go route one with Hester, or use him doing what he does best ... then I won;t cry if they get a first rounder plus.

    But what's our plan at FS ?

    1. Pay Darren Sharper.

    Draft a FS in the first round next year. Problem ? Angelo didn't talk to him last year and will protect his ego by not hiring him now.

    2. Trade Olsen to Cincinatti plus whatever they want for their 21st pick in the 1st round. Draft Taylor Mays.

    3. Jamar Williams is 6'0, 237 lbs and had an insane 19 tackles in his only start at the OLB position last year. Could he be a menace at free safety ?

    4. Left field thought. Brian Urlacher at free safety ? Extend his career. Noted for his coverage skills, he would have no problem tackling the tight ends and larger receivers. He would certainly pack some power in run support ! Convert Anderson to MLB. (Or Williams hitting the gym and taking over at the mike ?)

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    1. is the only realistic choice.
    2. So we trade wimpy white TE whose best asset is catching the ball to a hard nosed zone blocking team that doesn't throw to the TE, and has to play the Ravens and the Stellers twice a year. I am pretty sure Cincy would have trouble stopping laughing long enough to say are you fn nuts.
    3. I do not want another project on this team, I am so sick of them; let's make Devin a #1 WR, let's make Daniel a Free Safety, let's put Olsen back like a FB. How about, HIRE A FUCKIN FREE SAFETY WHO HAS PLAYED FREE SAFETY and maybe who didn't fucking suck at it.
    4. This one is just stupid. Move our only player on the team that can play Mike out of that position and then move our DE who can barely handle maintaining contain to the position on the field where he has to set up the Defense, Cover the entire middle of the field, and maintain gap integrity. Yah, that should work out great.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Peppers

    lmao i wonder who did that

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    For what it's worth...

    On THE DAN PATRICK radio show this A.M., Dan and NFL Network's,
    Rich Eisen, discussed the Mike Martz / Greg Olsen situation.

    Their concensus: Mike Martz can /will find a way to use Greg and the Bears will NOT be moving Olsen.

    I remain skeptical. Especially if they sign Manumaleuna.

    Eisen also opined that Julius Peppers will wind up in Washington
    since Dan Snyder always wants the newest toy on the block and is now unfettered by salary cap restraints.

    Dan and Rich also touched on the possibility of the 4-Letter's, Chris Berman, moving to the NFL Network to which I say...

    FOR THE LOVE OF JEBUS, NO, NO, NOOOOO!!!!!

    One of the reasons I enjoy the NFL Network, aside from NFL 24/7, is the fact that Berman and his worn out schtick and lazy reporting are NOT there!

    Why on earth would NFL Network want to go there?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I have a new favorite Jerry Angelo quote. This sums up his tenure of mediocrity in Chicago. In regards to cutting Nathan "I was decent in 06" Vasher...

    "We paid him his money, so it doesn

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    "we're just not into the signing talent bussiness"

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Justin Fargas (RB from Oakland) is expected to be released. should we make a move toward him? don't know a/b his hands, but he's a bruiser (runs well in between the tackles), and consistently got 100+ when he received a lot of carries....

    just a thought....don't bite my head off :-(

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    He looks like a child rapist. Just sayin ...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I saw that Viva, and I am anticipating the Bears signing Rolle as well as Peppers(or Kampman at least). Keep the faith Fan, we might just bring in some impact players this offseason,we shall see!! GO BEARS!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Word is that if the Bears can get Peppers, they might cut Butter before he gets a 5 mill roster bonus. I like it. Kill two birds with one stone. I'm done with hoping Tommie is going to come back to life. The guy remains unhealthy and unmotivated and I don't see it getting better in the future. 24 hours from now we could have Peppers and Rolle or Rhodes. The rumors regarding the McCaskey's becoming big spenders during FA suprises me especially with the supposed short-leash Lovie and Angelo are on, but I'll take it. Lets get us some impact players now!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/9EB49BE0B03D3988862576DC0010675D?OpenDocument

    talking about how Oshiomogho Atogwe (FS for the Rams) might get a lowball 1.12 mil tender for the Rams to save money. if he doesn't sign it, he'll be a UFA June 1st. hmmmm.....let's say Antrell Rolle doesn't get signed...pick this guy up, keep Volcano at SS, and watch the magic happen (Atogwe is regarded as one of the best safeties in the game....even though he plays for the Rams lol)

  • In reply to customJMO:

    On the assumption that Snyder wins the Peppers bidding .....

    Trade Olsen and do what needs to be done to lay our hands on a first round pick. Now would you get Marshall with the pick ? Or draft someone ? A couple of thoughts below. Owens and Pierre-Paul are freaks.

    Draft Jeff Owens if he's available at our pick - 44 benches ! 12 more than Suh did, and only one guy didstill more (by +1). 5 reps clear of the third.

    Jeff Owens, DT, Georgia Tech, 6'1 304 lbs

    Owens is coming off a solid 2009 season after missing all but one game in 2008 with a knee injury. Owens is a short, squatty built but strong interior defender that is more of a run stopper than pass rusher. He can anchor well when he keeps his pads down but needs to improve his hand use to disengage quicker to the ball. Owens needs an expanded pass rush package to be effective at the next level but has the natural power to push the pocket. Owens is a tough hard-nosed lineman that has some athletic limitations but his intangibles (motor, leadership qualities) gives him a great chance to contribute in his rookie season.

    Draft Everson Griffen or Jason Pierre-Paul for a pass rusher ?

    Everson Griffen, USC (6-3, 273)

    Griffen is yet another highly gifted athlete in this group and, perhaps, the most versatile. The way he is built and can move, he is capable of playing any of the linebacker spots in a 3-4 scheme. He frequently dropped into coverage last season, but Griffen does a superb job of rushing the passer. In college, he relied heavily on his ability to beat offensive tackles around the corner. In the NFL, he will need to develop more moves. Griffen also must get stronger at the point of attack, but could be a highly productive pass-rushing outside linebacker in the NFL.

    Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida (6-5, 270)

    Although he has only started for half of a season at Division IA, Pierre-Paul has impressed scouts with his explosiveness and consistently strong effort. Some evaluators say they haven't seen a better speed rusher in more than a decade. With his long legs and considerable athletic skills, Pierre-Paul was able to blow past collegiate offensive tackles, sometimes before they could even get out of their stances. That will be harder to do in the NFL, where he will need to work more on the mental aspect of his game and realize the benefits of studying opponents.

    This guy is a 6'6 freak. Check out the dude's back-flips ! We've already got the pool man ....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4-1e6Faglw

    Feature :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0p8dO-6nlcU&feature=related

  • In reply to customJMO:

    Between Olsen, Hester and the tendered guys, we could own the first pick of the draft and then some. We haven't got the will or desire to do it though - I mean the Muppet show. Roach and Anderson would grab a second rounder each. Combine the worth of Hester and Olsen with those and we can do what we want in this draft ... just sayin'.....

    Tendered RFAs: Mark Anderson, Josh Bullocks, Danieal Manning, Nick Roach and Jamar Williams.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Someone like Minnesota who is hurting for LBs is going to steal Williams out from under us, a 4th round pick seriously, he is a day 1 starter at OLB in, grab that in round 4 and that is about it off that list.
    As for the rest who would want them? You just listed a return specialist who hast had a return TD in 2 seasons, a TE who can't block, a DE who has like 5 sacks in his last 40 games, a safety who is one of the worst safeties in the game, a guy who sucks so bad at each position you stick him in you have to find a new one for him the next season, a decent tackling OLB who looks absolutely lost about every 3rd play and can't cover a FB, and an actual decent OLB who tackles well but is a little bit undersized and doesn't have very many starts. Why did we tender anyone except Williams and maybe Anderson simply because we hav few DEs. I mean they offered Big Toe a freaking tender; this is ridiculous.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I would love to get draft picks for ANY of these guys. A 2nd for Mark Anderson?!? We can only hope!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I was looking for a link about how Williams did against Allen in the vikings game and I like dthis one, cept the guy keeps messing up and calling the Vikings the Packers.
    http://midwayillustrated.com/2010-archives/january/bears-vs-vikings-film-review-chris-williams-vs-jared-allen.html

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hate to bring it up again Jeff, but Mr. Hackitude himself Dan Pompei echoed your sentiments regarding Olsen on the Trib today. Which further cements my argument that we need to get him the fuck out of here before the rest of league figures out what some of us already know.

  • Urlacher is a fucking BEAST!!!!!!!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Yes he is, I would love to see him have a banner year this season. He should be pretty fresh.

  • Looks like the women of Chicago are safe...

    http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/03/broncos-offer-first-round-tender-to-marshall/

  • Singletary was intense but I would never remember him being a beast. More like a Tasmanian Devil. Butkus was the consumate beast. I don't think MS was a punisher like DB.

  • when you can run down Vick sideline to sideline and power clean 450 lbs, you officially enter into being a Beast.

  • lol before you get super sarcastic, look at his stats. then tell me you wouldn't take him in a heartbeat.

  • FQD Fargas is a bag of dicks.

    Crown, the minute we cut Harris is the minute he reverts back to his 2006 form. Plus he rubs Lovies wang every 2nd tuesday of the month. He's not giving that up for nobody

    Joseph - You probably sported wood when Hester's ass fell out during that one game, didn't you

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    :-(

    lol

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Stache, You might be right. Unless you can get high draft picks for him, the Bears will still hold-out hope for him. I heard he gives good steak dinners. I don't want to hear or read anything saying that Tommie is healthy, motivated and back to form leading up to the season. That goes for limp wristed Urlacher too. Show us results or shut the fuck up. Joseph, stop starring at Hester's ass.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    u sure remembered it thought didnt you. fruitcake

  • if our DLine did it's job, there wouldn't be any Olineman free to block him, and being really fast and strong pretty much is the definition of a beast not how well they shed blocks.

  • I just read where JP fractured his leg and was expected to miss half the season. Bummer.

    http://cdsdraft.com/story.php?id=45

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    who cares about JP Lossman.

  • Early April fools joke you dingbats.

  • I must be losing my fucking mind.

    I thought I just clicked on a link to a 2004 report about a JP Losman injury, followed by a post about Antwaan Randle El.

    Are you guys sharing a "jumbo" crack rock?

  • We want an older, shorter, slower version of Devin Hester?
    Why not just keep Rasheid Davis?

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Spot on No Shiiht!! But Lets say No to Rashied, though I did catch your sarcasm in that,lol. Special teams have saved his asss long enough on this team. Time to move on from Rashied. Hey he would save us another 3+ mil dollars that we could use towards free agency. Come on Bears, make us fans proud for a change, lets get some much needed Help in here already!!! Open up that checkbook Virginia, just sign at the bottom,lol..

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I have heard all the Love for Marshall & how some fans want him in a Bears uniform, But Forget it,it aint happening. Not only do the Bears not have the trade bait. But Denver will not give us another perennial pro bowl player, as it would make them look even worse, after the Cutler deal. I was surprised to hear Denver put a 1st rd tender on Orton though?? Why??

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    When Chris Simms is your alternative you lock up Orton ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Whatever..But A 1st rounder?? To each is own, I guess.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    The Bears are going to Sign Peppers & Rolle plus a r.b, either Westbrook,Jones or Taylor. They Will end up trading Olsen for a 2nd rd pick which they will use on the O-Line, plus they will sign Malamuela(whatever spelling).

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    RT @Adam_Schefter: Chargers traded cornerback Antonio Cromartie to Jets for a 2011 third-round pick that could turn to a second.

    well i'll say this Bear faithful....if we get to the playoffs, we will have earned it

  • BamCrackRockHitz

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    seeing Da Coach's picture made me realize that before he became the DeNiro of broadcasting he was a tough sonbitch...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Hello fellow Bear Fans, we are under 8 hours away from free agency. I am sure I am not the only one who is anxious and Stressed. Call me crazy, but I think the Bears will indeed sign Peppers and Rolle. I also think they will seek a compliment to Forte, possibly Westbrook,Chester Taylor or Lendale White(surprise) Lendale is a bruiser and punisher up the middle. I know this is a touchy subject here, but I think we will somehow trade Olsen for a 2nd rd pick, maybe with the Pats,who have multiple 2nd rd picks & could use him. We could possibly land a good prospect on the O-line with that 2nd rd pick. I am certain the sweepstakes for Peppers will be over in the next 24 hours(hopefully he is a Bear). Managements Backs are against the wall. I think this will be an interesting off season for us,in a good way. But why did it take this long???

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Thats what I was thinkin after Denver put a First rd tender on Orton??

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Trib is reporting that the Bears are in negotiations with Rolle... (he can be signed prior to the start of FA, because his contract was terminated.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Remember the Jaguars gents. Free agency doesn't mean jack if the new players don't do their job. Lets just hope anybody we sign still wants to actually lace up and play.

  • LMAO. Thanks for the compliment Doc.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Even though you did compare it to junior high humor.

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