Safety Next

I'm not getting greedy, believe me.  I'm still basking in the glow of the greatest day in the history of Chicago Bears free agency.  But the club still has two distinct needs that must be addressed by the start of the 2010 season: interior offensive line and safety.  Guards can be found in the later rounds of the draft.  Impact safeties cannot. 

O.J. Atogwe, currently under contract with the Rams, is a restricted free agent and the best option available.  Dan Pompei breaks down effectively what the Bears would need to do to acquire him:

...if another team signs him, the Rams would not be due compensation
because of the low tender they used. But the Rams can match any offer
to Atogwe until June 1. After that they have to pay him approximately
$7 million for one season or lose their right to match.

The Bears probably need to offer a creative deal with a poison pill and a big paycheck.

The Bears might not have a paycheck big enough to give after Friday. But he could be the player who makes the difference.

The Bears don't need to stack the back line.  They can make due with a combination of Al Afalava, Craig Steltz and Kevin Payne at one of the safety spots.  They need a center fielder.  Someone to stop the ten yard gain from going the distance.  Atogwe would be ideal.

Darren Sharper also makes a ton of sense for an organization operating with a "Win Now" attitude.  Sharper's contract talks have been slow-developing with the Saints and with the Giants now out of the race, the price tag may be dropping significantly. 

Then there's my wildcard: Donte Whitner.  I had planned to write a full column dedicated to both Whitner and ex-Jet Kerry Rhodes - two players with maximum potential and inconsistent performance.  My Bills fan friends (and I have a few) claim Whitner's benching was more the product of an absent-minded Dick Jauron than poor safety play.  Now Whitner's future in Buffalo seems bleak and his acquisition may only cost the Bears a late-round draft pick.  The Bears have spent their money on sure-things.  This might be the time to take a shot.       

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  • Quality interior lineman out there as well, Bobby Wiiliams & Stephen Neal could do wonders for this line at LG.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Never mind. Neal has resigned and Williams is about to do the same.

  • First

  • In reply to worm0922:

    I dont think so, Shady gets the call.

  • In reply to worm0922:

    Wow. Holy crap Batman! I've been away for a few days and out of touch with the blog and football. The whole friggin world has changed. Now instead of months of frestration and pessimism there is hope. I'm stunned. But very happy.

    So, to whoever in the Bears management is reading this blog. Thank you! But don't stop now. We are a few key players away from being a completely different team. Please, please take this one or two steps further. Like Jeff says. A safety next. Please

  • In reply to worm0922:

    NFL Network is running the Queens /Bears game from oct.

  • In reply to worm0922:

    Why not start him? Is he ready?

  • In reply to worm0922:

    oct 08. Just saw Taylor score. Never would have ever thought he'd be a Bear. Lol.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Just finished watching that Trac, Bowman had a huge game!
    Douchtasky made an appearance on the last post, did you see that. What a fool!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Tomorrow night they are replaying Mr. Payton running all over the Pack!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Yeah, line was playing much better even though we went 9-7. I'll have to watch that.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Thought everyone would be interested to see what I found at a Queens Blog Site.

    Chester Taylor is Now a Member of the Chicago Bears
    Posted by: danzinski

    I think everyone was pretty much resigned to the idea that Chester Taylor would be leaving the Vikings as a UFA and signing with a team that would give him a shot to get more touches.

    What might be a little harder to come to grips with is the fact that the Chicago Bears are the team that has nabbed Chester, giving him two annual shots at the Vikings for the next four years.

    There

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    " The NFC North balance of power may have just shifted radically. Unless That Guy comes back. Then everything will of course be fine. "

    ...Keep living in that fantasy world of yours. If you think Chester Taylor & Julius Peppers vault you past the Vikings & Packers then you are in for a rude awakening.

    ...Oh yea, Rodgers is coming back, why wouldn't he? So you are shit out of luck with that one.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    They refer to the Brett girl as "that guy".

  • In reply to Joseph:

    LMAO. All the NFC North blogs are talking about the Bears. These moves have rocked the Division gents. They other teams fans are definitely taking notice and they don't like the moves we've made.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Dez Clark is on the trading block. No surprise here.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Fucking tragedy Joseph. I hope no one goes near him. Dez Clark not ... Max.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Fun read.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/07/peppers-could-be-headed-for-left-side-in-chicago/

    Sorry for all the postings but I guess Joseph and I are the only ones on. Where is everyone? Suckatansky showed up again on yesterdays thread. What a loser.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Hilarious! What a little cowardice snake post by you.

    Morons like you make it so much better when the bears fail & FAIL THEY WILL THIS YEAR! Mark my words!

    Peppers isn't going to keep Charles Woodson & company from owning Cutler like they did last year...

    GL with all the those Martz 5 & 7 step drops with that putrid line of yours & mediocre at best receiving core.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I didn't even see this one Turdtasky. Hey, I don't schedule the programming at NFL Network, and I'm not the one who ran for a buck 97 on their D...Walter Payton is the GREATEST!! Suck on that.

    P.S don't forget to tune in.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Peppers in action on NFL Network beating the piss out of Eli Manning and Co.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Max, I posted this a while back in response to one of your many empty claims... for once why don't you do some actual research instead of just running your mouth, maybe you

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Do you actually believe the shit you write? Seriously. You have to be the absolute worst poster here. You write so much, but very little of it is based on facts & all opinion.

    I think you may need to take some of your own advice.

    You really shouldn't talk as it just shows how little you really know.

    Kind of like the bears getting beaten by a " much worse " team last season. Your words not mine you fucking nit wit. You really are lost cause.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Assuming OJ Otogwe is out of the equation, which he very well may not be, why not Gibril Wilson? He's started on a miami defense that is normally pretty stout year in and year out, and I dont know, trusting a guy named "OJ" is not high on my priority list
    and i believe that 1bf has put to rest that he is mad max in disguise, well said my friend well said

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Oooh!
    better watch out for Mad "You can't win" Max, folks.
    He obvously thinks he's the smartest man in the room!
    Well, guess what? It's true!

    Provided, of course, the room is EMPTY!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I don't think I'm the smartest one in the room. Ghost of addelpated is...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Max, I left you a note up top.

    It's not smack, it's a plea for you to finally, actually be somewhat interesting and relevant on this blog since you insist on continuing to show up.

    Honestly man, by constantly showing up with nothing more than smack to offer, you're just an irrelevant annoyance. You obviously keep coming back for a reason, why not make it a worthwhile exercise for both sides? Arguing with you is pointless and a waste of everyone

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You said the bears were a much better team than the Packers last year. Do you really honestly think you are able to have an honest debate. You're not & if you don't believe read your own writing. You tell me to use facts which I do ALWAYS, but you're allowed to use woulda, coulda, shoulda's & I'm not. SNAP THE FUCK INTO REALITY & ACTUALLY PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. Your lame act is beyond old. Just stick to 100% pro-bear arguments that lack very little factual thoughts because you are incapable of owning up to the facts. Just read your own writing if you don't believe me.

    Once you said the bears were a much better team last year you LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.

    I deal in facts like these...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    OFFENSE...

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=TOTAL_YARDS&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I already responded to your post above but my links are being blocked...

    Go to NFL.com & look at the facts, boner. Then come back & try keep your feeble at best argument going.

    By the way... How is it the bears were " much better " than the Packers last year, but pretty much every relevant statistic the Packers CRUSHED the bears in?

    I also find it funny that your team was
    " much better " but they lost both times. Another funny thing is that your " much better " team gave up 46(?) points combined to the Lions, but the Packers only gave up 12 combined.

    So you can lie all you want about me not using facts, but it is actually the exact opposite. I use facts as evidence, but you rarely do. You love the woulda, coulda, shoulda bullshit as it is pretty much what you base all of your arguments on.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I won't stoop to calling you idiotic names, but suffice it to say that you're a lost cause dude. I'm done trying.

    I have absolutely no clue what stats you were looking at... or whether you know how to read box scores, but you crushed us in all stats?!?!?! What are you talking about man?

    Game one: http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290913009

    Game two was much more even, but saying you 'crushed' us in every relevant stat is idiotic: http://espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=290913009

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Ok, now that's at least a reasonable argument. See that wasn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I didn't say you were crushed in those games did I? If I did then I will gladly retract my statement.

    Yes those games were close & could have gone either way, but they didn't & the better team won, right? I believe I said that all division games are tough regardless of how certain teams are doing that year. EX.. Steelers losing to the lowly Browns.

    I think the bears will compete for the division, or at least with the recent moves I would hope so( I hope not, but you know what I mean). Are their recent moves concerning as a Packer fan, of course. A tough division just got even tougher. Not just the bears moves, but the Lions also made some good moves. No win will be a cake walk IMO & every win will be hard earned no matter which team wins.

    It will be fun to watch & I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if 10-6 wins the division. I also wouldn't be surprised if the team with the least bit of impact injuries wins the division.

    Our division's schedule is pretty brutal & the healthiest team out of Pack, vikes, & bears will most likely win the division. I'm more skeptical about the bears chances, but if the Dolphins can go from 1-15 to 11-5 & divisional title then I suppose that the bears should be able to contend.

    & I come to this site for the simple reason that it gets old over at the Packer blogs agreeing all the time & sometimes you need do something different like mess with the bear fans & keep the bad blood brewing. Nothing personal majority of the time until the bizarre insults get thrown my way & then I will react not so kindly. I admit I ask for it sometimes, but the reality is that some of the shit you people say to me is way over the line for merely poking a little fun at the bears misfortunes.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Now you actually just made some sense. Try not to provoke by making personal criticisms and it wouldn't resort to that as much. Lets face it we're bored too. You gotta admit the Dahma reference was funny.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    The Bears overall record in the Last 5 years is 47-33 with our 2 worse seasons being 7-9.

    The Packers have gone 42-38 with 4-12 and 6-10 seasons being your worse years.

    I can understand you being a little bit froggy based on last years performance but if memory serves me right, didn't your team have a 6-10 season the very next year after making the playoffs a few years ago? It would be horrible to see our friends across the frozen tundra lay an egg like that again.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Calling me an asshole or a dumbass is fine with me, but some of those other remarks were way out of line IMO, but to each their own I guess.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I can't take this anymore - Max, in game one we hammered you. Green Bay couldn't move the ball and in Barbre you have the worst RT in football. Rodgers was like a rabbit caught in the headlights all day long. You won the game because our ducheyne safety, Kevin Payne was poking his nose into the backfield when he should have been back in coverage. Start with that. We'll do battle next year. We'll do battle again in 2011. And then we'll definitely kick your ass, twice a year, for a long time....

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Blogfather, I do not consider expecting the Bears to address another area of need "Greedy".

    Adding Sharper sounds great but is anybody concerned that in a defensive scheme system similar to what the Bears insist on utilizing he was not nearly the impact player he was in New Orleans?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al, I don't think so. Sharper has always been a very good Safety and was going to the Pro Bowl in a similar defensive scheme with the shit-Packers in the early part of the decade and the Vikings defense has been a variation of Tampa 2 philosophies for as long as I remember.

    What concerns me about Sharper (and every player over 30 years old) is durability and longevity. The Bears are setting themselves up to win Right Now...but how does that translate into longterm success? I'm greedy. I don't want the playoffs or a championship. I want a dynasty...and why not?

    -Shut up, Max. Nobody cares why YOU don't want a Bears dynasty.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    You want a dynasty! Talk about irrational.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    He's not leaving the super bowl winning team, they're just doing him the courtesy of setting his price.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Huh ? Aaron Rodgers got banged more than Jessica Simpson last year ...

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I hope Tommie Harris doesn't turn into a little biatch and actually steps up this year. I am personally getting tired of his act. If he doesn't get at LEAST 8-10 sacks, I say we ship him off to the Raiders next year. If he plays up to his potential, this could be one of the best D-lines in the league, I'm talking top 5 people!!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Were are you Turdtansky? I feel like ripping your face off! Get on here so we can trash you.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Why must you try to get in a gun fight with me when you have no ammo in your gun? You can't win, trust me.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I'm so sorry your step dad molested you man. It's ok, you can take it out on our blog.

  • In reply to animal:

    WOW! You guys are bizarre. I've read some pretty disturbing things from a couple of you today. I think you may need to take a step back & think about what you just posted. VERY DISTURBING! I will say a prayer for you...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Say a Prayer? Are you joking? You are not qualified to ask for a prayer for the Bears, ha,ha.. The Packers & the Vikes are quite disturbing, which has nothing to do with the Bears! The best team, which is the Bears will Dominate this year, Party Boy!!

  • In reply to animal:

    You are correct. Now he lives on his uncles Farm. He is Known as a serial farm Animal rapist there. He has gotten off because of a lack of progress in Beastiality laws on sexually assaulting farm Animals in Kansas. You are better off not conversing with it, it could be Sick!! I Know Vick was Real Bad, But assaulting & raping these poor unsuspecting farm animals is just Sick & really Wrong!! We would all be Best off to ignore this Virus from G-Bay, who obviously has some serious issues to deal with...

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    You think you're being funny, but the reality is that I GUARANTEE that most of the people reading your posts are thinking that you are a psycho that should be locked up in a straight jacket, but they are too chicken shit to say anything to you about. Any normal person though is reading your posts & thinking this guy should not be allowed in society. I feel for the people that have to come in contact with you on an everyday basis, scary thought.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Nope, we dont think that. We think you were molested.

  • In reply to animal:

    He Was Molested in Foster homes. Although he still denies it, ha,ha. Thats why he feels the need to respond on our blogs. SO SAD!

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    Did we ever get any sort of explanation for why the Bears' director of player personnel, Greg Gabriel, was let go? That seems fishy considering these recent FA moves.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    That was fast Turd. Again, get off your high horse because the Packers are not that good. And to say that Peppers a Taylor won't make a difference, then you are clearly in denial.

    Rodgers was on his back last year more than a $50 prostitute. He is one play away from having his tibia protruding from his calf. Don't hate on the fact the we just added a fierce pass rusher and a quality RB and FB. Just embrace it, let it sink in Turdtasky.

    When you go to your favorite restaurant in GB, don't forget to ask your waiter for extra Pepper on your crow.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Excuse me, was supposed to read 290 pound Tight End not FB.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Packers not that good? Youngest team in the NFL & in a year one install of a completely new defense. What games were you watching last year? They will only get better, you yutz!

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Is That All You Got?? Lol. You have to be the most Pathetic Wannabe Troll I have ever seen, ha,ha,ha. Thats right, weep in your tears as Peppers rips your Pansy Assz Q.B a new one in G.Bay ha,ha,ha. Hey, Talk is cheap here Party Boy!! Shouldnt you be conversing with the rest of the Loser Packer Faction,LOL!!! Rather than with us Bear fans, You are So Pathetic.. I sure as He11 dont want to waste my time on your pathetic blog sites. I stick with My Team the Bears & only converse with my own fans. You are such a Pansy & a Follower, ha,ha. You are a media Boy arent you?? You get more Pathetic by the minute, ha,ha,ha.. GO BEARS!! BEAR DOWN!!

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    The more you post the more you give the rest of bear fans a bad name. How many times did your parents drop you on your head? How much drugs did your mom use when you were in her belly? I guess it's obvious why you're so infatuated with the term, party boy. Go back to eating paint chips, moron.

    Why do I get the impression that you you are an identical match to Jack Elam AKA Doctor Nikolas Van Helsing...

    http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-RKISU01KI64I6NJ3.jpg

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Oh yea & please tell me where I said those signings wouldn't help the bears. Please do not put words in my mouth. I would be a fool if I said they didn't improve the bears, but if you think that signing Chester & Julius is going to solve all your problems then, you sir, are the one in denial. Keep em coming, yutzy boy!

    If you are hanging your hat on Rodgers getting hurt then I think you have made my case for me.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    When did I say that they would solve ALL their problems? Who's putting words in who's mouth?

    It's a pretty damn good start my friend. We struggled with our pass rush so what to the Bears do, they bring in one of the best DE this decade. We needed a blocking TE, so they bring in a garbage dumpster to keep Cutler's jersey smelling bounty fresh. We needed a proven RB that can push Forte so they bring in a stud like Chester Taylor.

    These moves are all keys to getting to the big dance. Proven guys that will get us a few more wins than last year. And I don't give shit about your stats Turd, where were those stats in the Playoffs??

    And no, I don't want to see Rodgers get hurt...I don't want any excuses for why the Bears beat them.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Here! Here!

  • In reply to Joseph:

    You do realize that the Packers were playing 6th,7th, & even 8th stringers in their secondary last year due to injury, right?

    Despite all those injuries they still ended up being one of the best defenses in ALL OF FOOTBALL. That can't go unnoticed, you yokel.

    Teams weaknesses get exposed in the playoffs, and that's exactly what happened. I can't deny that, but injuries had a lot to do with that.

    You can nit pick that playoff game all you want, but the reality is that the positives from the Packers last year out weigh the negatives by a long shot & their future looks to be as bright if not brighter than any team in the NFC.

    ..And the only way the bears finish better than the Packers this year is if Rodgers gets hurt. Rodgers is the best young QB in the game, & is a game changer, so you better hope he gets hurt or you're shit of luck.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I don't think Bear fans are that optimistic this year - I don't think our signings mean shit at the moment. If they perform at an acceptable level, cool. But we've still got more holes than a swiss cheese, and haven't got a corner like Woodson, it's true. Oline's pass and run blocking needs to improve a lot, Cutler needs to fight his natural instincts, which is very hard to do. We only have depth at the DL positions. Ndamukong Suh looks to be a Lion, they've signed Vanden-Bosch and Burleson - we need to start worrying about the Lions now. Build that wall Jerry !

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Oh God, do I have to say it *again*!!! Don't feed the trolls!

  • In reply to worm0922:

    Nice write up Jeff, right on about Safety. Apparently Rhodes has been traded to the Cards for a 4th & future 7th rd pick, so he is gone. I have heard the Bears are among a few teams talking with Sharper, but he is asking for too much money. I would like him in a Bears uniform. I wanted to sign him last year, I think he would fit in well in our defense. He would be motivated to play both his former teams in the Vikes and Packers twice each a season as well, he also knows the division. Ryan Clark of the Steelers is still an avilable option at F-Safety, he is 30 but would be a nice addition as well. But I am leaning toward Otogwe of the Rams, no compensation required, but the Rams can match. He fits in the best it seems with his penchant for creating turnovers, apparently he trails only Ed Reed in that category over the recent years at F-Safety. I like what I have been reading about him and he seems like an ideal fit & should come reasonably priced. Then we can get some O-Lineman in the draft, or dare I get Greedy and say Sign a L-Guard too in free agency.

  • In reply to worm0922:

    Al, flag ?

  • I agree with OJ or Donte! Donte was already suppose to be a Bear when he was drafted. I have been watching the so called experts and no one says this is enough to compete with the Vikings or Packers. But we were right there if Cutler doesn't try to carry the team. Can't wait to see what's the next move even though I would love to see Major White as a Bear.

  • In reply to worm0922:

    We beat the Vikings less then 3 months ago. The experts can kiss my ass.

  • In reply to worm0922:

    I would be surprised if Lance Lois is not starting at one of the guard positions when camp breaks.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Lance Louis is an intriging player, he is raw, but does have un tapped potential for sure. I am not sure he is ready yet, he may take a little more time to develop. But I like your thinking.

  • the plan is to fill these positions in the draft.

  • In reply to animal:

    Animal, I seriously doubt we would be able to pick up a FS in the draft (with our late picks) who would be able to come in and start and make a huge impact as a rook. Also, I do believe that all the rumors have been pointing to OL pickups with at least our first few draft picks.

    We need someone who's played and made an impact in the league already, and who can come in and fill that FS gap game 1. I would be pretty disappointed if we didn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I totally agree, we have to hit free agency for our F-Safety, we need experience & a player who will be good to go. We pick too late in the draft to get anything special there. I do think there will be some o-line help in the draft to help us in coming years. I agree we will probably address the o-line with our first few picks. Or if the Bears get greedy & keep spending(ok with me), they may sign a free safety and a guard in free agency. Then we could pick up youth at safety & O-line with our first few picks. I was thrilled with the Bears signings on the first day of free agency, Wow. Lets keep it Rolling, dont stop now,lol. Take Care.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Kyle Ortons Bears 48 Queens 41.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sure, it would be nice. It just seems silly to wish for more in FA after what they did. They far exceeded anyone's expectations. They DO still have a draft starting in the 3rd round, and a good history of filling spots late in the draft. Last year- Knox in the 5th, Afalava in the 6th. 08- Bowman in the 5th. '07, Payne and Graham in the 5th. '06 Jamar Williams in the 4th, Mark Anderson in the 5th.

  • In reply to animal:

    With you on how shockingly proficient (or lucky) we've been in late rounds Animal, but leaving our two biggest deficiencies to chance with late round picks when we need bodies on the field now is a little scary.

    I know everyone is giddy about what we did the first day, and so am I, I've just been yelling that we only filled one of our top 3 needs so far. And it could be argued that we didn

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    False although understandable giddiness, MB. As you say, we have only addressed the pass rush, and got ourselves a TE to show Olsen what physical contact is. I was thinking they'd trade Olsen because he'll still be a liability in passing situations where he's not getting the ball, or running downs. A signing like T.O. would help the run blocking too. If they draft a guard, okay, but we can't have any confidence in our current safeties.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Olsen is gone in a trade. The Pats will give us a 3rd, maybe even a 2nd rounder.

  • In reply to animal:

    That's the point that stings AK. We drop 130 Mill and can't afford 5 for Sharper, or 5 for a guy like T.O. Thye'll address the future safety needs of the Bears in round 3 or 4 ? All the safeties are gone by then, or at least all the safeties whose eyes go in the same direction. Our FS needs to be a stud and we shouldn't accept anything else. No quick fixes at that position. 41 different pairings in 96 games is a joke. I mean. Atogwe requires no compensation for the Rams, so why are we waiting ? We're broke that's why. Draft a guard by all means, but no more projects at safety or receiver. A big veteran like Baskett or Owens can help us, but we're pissing into the wind now ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Im not saying I wouldnt love to see us sign Otogwe and a big G, but realistically...
    After my post this came out, basically saying the same thing I said: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Bloviating? No fair stealing words from Bill O'Reilly, Max!

  • Atogwe is the real deal...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h_GBt5zGmI&feature=related

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Good player. Canadian(Windsor), so you know he can handle the cold weather & he went to Stanford, so you know he has brains. Too bad your wants are falling on def ears. He is restricted, so the chances of you getting him are pretty slim.

    You want to know who the REAL DEAL IS... CHECK THIS OUT!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk5mLoeqUmI

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Hahaha...check out the Wisconsin prize at @ :25. Yuck.

    And I don't want to burst your bubble but he should have NOT won DPY award, Revis is clearly the best in the game last year.

    Enjoy:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX6TL1mtKvA

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Wrong. Revis was the best CB in the league with Woodson right on his tale, but that doesn't make him the defensive player of the year.Go look at all the things Woodson did that Revis didn't, sack, fumbles, tackles. Did Revis line up all over the field? Did Revis line up at LB and make playes? You obviously are just a parrot of what ESPN & NFL network tells you. I'm starting to think you don't even watch football. Think for yourself for once & do some research before you speak. It really shows your lack of credibility when you just parrot other thoughts as yours.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    You may be right about him being more versatile but Woodson gets burned ALOT. Revis, not so much. So as he is making great plays all over the field, he gives up big plays as well. But your right, I don't watch football, I'm just parroting what I here. WRONG, I calls it how I sees it Douche

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Revis- 6 INTS...1 TD...49 tackles...32 passes defensed

    Woodson- 2 sacks...9 INTS...3 TDS...19 passes defensed...5 forced fumbles...1 fumble recovery...70 tackles

    So again take a look at those & tell me Woodson wasn't the defensive player of the year last year & try to say Revis is. You can't & if you even attempt to you will only expose yourself even more.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Revis saw 111 passes his way and gave up 41 catches and 2 TD's. Woodson saw 76 passes and gave up 39 catches and 5 td's.

    Bears (2x), Rams, Lions(2x), Browns, Buccaneers, 49ers, Seahawks, and the Cards w Lienart.

    He's great, just not the best at his position. And gave up 2 touchdowns in the Playoffs when it mattered the most.

    At the very least the voting should have been closer. It could have gone either way. I say Revis.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    he gave up TDs on plays that could have easily been called offensive pass interference. Go watch the plays & get back to me.

    I love how you forget to list the QBs Revis went up againt.

    Brady in the beginning of the year when it was obvious he was still affected from the time of from the knee injury.

    Kerry Collins- Benched
    Chad Henne(2)- First year starter
    Ryan Fitzpatrick(2)
    Bruce Gradkowski
    David Garrard
    Jake Delhomme
    Josh Freeman
    Curtis Painter
    JT O'Sullivan

    I forgot that the Jets faces MUCH BETTER competition. HILARIOUS!

    Your argument is feeble at best, but keep trying. Its VERY comical on this boring Sunday...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    " he gave up TDs on plays that could have easily been called offensive pass interference. Go watch the plays & get back to me. "

    Playoff game I meant... Go watch the plays over & tell me that he wasn't interfered with. Both against Fitzgerald if I'm remembering correctly

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Dude...Woodson gets burned, Revis doesn't. End of argument.

    I just watched the tape, Fitzgerald made Woodson look like a little bitch. Now that's comical..

  • In reply to Joseph:

    And stop your whining, I said the guys good. Your tampon string is showing Tampax Douchetansky.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    You obviously only pay attention to the bears & parrot others thoughts regarding anything else football related. That is OBVIOUS!

    You're right though Revis never gets burned. Do you REALLY believe the shit that comes out of your mouth?

    Ted Ginn is such a super star receiver too. HILAROUS!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyPtJF-IgPc

    It's obvious that since I'm a Packer fan you will find any argument to counter mine even if its dumber than shit.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    How about you look into a little stat called "Burn Percentage" before you call my posts dumb. Where is Revis on that list? Where is Woodson on that list.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I love that you arguing that Woodson was undeserving of DPOY. Its not cornerback of the year you moron. Its defensive player of the year. LEARN THE FUCKING GAME ALREADY.

    Where is this burn percetage stat you speak of anyway. Link please!

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I never said he was undeserving,MY opinion is that Revis should have won but it could have gone either way.

    It's on stats.com

  • In reply to Joseph:

    AGAIN. ITS NOT CB OF THE YEAR. ITS DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR. DAMN IT MAN GET IT TOGETHER! I thought you don't care about stats yet you pay for a stat tracking site. HILARIOUS!

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I don't pay for you dope, it's a stat the company came up with. What the hell is wrong with this post? O.k i'm done arguing with you for one day. Don't be a stranger on here. I kinda ejoyed it i'm not gonna lie.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    My friend Kevin saw JA on Michigan Ave today and asked him if we were going to sign Otogwe. He laughed and said we don't have any more money.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    are you being funny or serious? (that he saw him)

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    i'm actually serious, he saw him downtown.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    I honestly think that Chester Taylor is comin here to take the starting RB position. I think he is a better back than Forte.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Look around the league, is there a back that can shoulder everything. The more good backs you have the better, if for no ther reason than injuries. Jones should have been our running back last year, but Forte wasn't injured badly enough to sit ... and we still do not have a banger in the backfield. We need a Mike Bell/Mike Bush to change it up if necessary.

  • In reply to Joseph:

    Mad Max is correct. Chet and Jules don't solve our dilemmas in run and pass blocking, our swiss cheese secondary (which is soft, porous, and gives you constipation), and our question marks at Wide Receiver. But he's still a moron Packer fan.

    Oh there's nothing like a troll to spruce-up a boring Sunday afternoon. I await your next addlepated volley, Max!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Irony at its best, right here. HILARIOUS!

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    ...swing and a miss.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Even funnier that you can't even see the irony in your post. You might not want to use words that you don't know what they mean. Keep trying & failing though...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    addlepated: ad

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Why do I keep responding to this guy? I'm like the "How to keep a pothead busy" gag.

    "Want to know how to keep a pothead busy? Please turn the card over."

    "Want to know how to keep a pothead busy? Please turn the card over."

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    You accuse someone of having addlepated repsonses, but in that same response you have your own 'addlepated volley'. REREAD IT AGAIN or stop using words that you don't know the entire meaning to.

    Your bloviating is beyond tiresome.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Hey ! When can we stop turning this card over ? I haven't got all fucking day ....

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    No, No , NO... Keep trying. REREAD your post. Irony is more than fitting & if you can't grasp that then you may want to stop pretending to be smarter than you really are. Seriously REREAD YOUR POSTS.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    RT @yourboyroy: Ryan Clark, who's looking for the right fit, says he'd be a great fit w/#Bears and is 1st and foremost a Chicago sports fan on ESPN 1000

    JA....make this happen NOW!!!!

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    +100

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    FQ, how was the B-Day weekend? Hope you blew it up man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    it was great. Bears, fam, and friends came w/ nice b-day gifts. if i had any more, probably would've passed out lol.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Happy belated b-day FQD, we all chipped in and got you Julius Peppers. No biggie.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    lol much appreciated

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB30SD is nothing but a bear lackey. All of his arguments are based on what ifs & opinion spun into his pro-bear arguments. The facts from last year say this, you incompetent moron.

    Offense....

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1

    Defense...

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=TOTAL_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=PASSING_NET_YARDS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=OPP&season=2009&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-n=1

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=INTERCEPTIONS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

    Spin that shit, MB30SD you worthless scum of the earth. I deal with reality obviously something that you clearly don't.

    By the way MB30SD. How do you explain the Lions putting up a combined 47 points on you & the Lions putting up a wopping 12 points combined on the Packers? Yea you're team was much better than the Packers.

    That old saying... It's better to keep your mouth shut & be looked at as fool, then to open it & remove all doubt... FITS YOU TO A TEE!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Im with you al, even though Darren Sharper had an amazing season, i just dont think that he can maintain or duplicate at his age especially in a system that handcuffs his gambling so much, than again thats what we said last year

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Darren Sharper, two year deal...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    eesh ... RT @Jeff_Darlington: S Ryan Clark just arrived for first free agent visit with Dolphins. He told me he hopes to sign. http://bit.ly/a7sLbJ

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Teams are using next year's picks too - we should be going after Marshall ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    agreed, a little creativity and we can get a proven veteran instead of drafting a college kid who may be out of the league in a year.

  • Just wipe of you shoe Sd. Rub some dirt on it.lol

  • Is that like Twitterpated from Bambi ? Means pussy-whipped for kids ....

  • We should all go on a packer blog and just absolutely talk soo much shit..... haha fucking cheese heads. Im gonna find one.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Isn't that interesting? One of our favorite Packer Haters (Fresno,Ca BF) can't even find a "GreenBay Blog" in 2.5 hours...
    It will be hard to find one Fresno, It will kinda be like finding an abacus when you are looking for a calculator!

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Let's just kick the crap out of 'em in six months. Twice.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Jeff, can we please have a new thread. Getting tired of seeing the piss yellow and diahrea green all over the page.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Darren Sharper puts the Bears over the top at free safety. Forget whoever else is out there. No home runs with him in there. If the Saints don't sign him the Bears should step up to the plate and grab the one player who can help them to get to the super bowl.

  • In reply to mij747:

    Two words Jim, Ryan... Clark. He's not just a one year solution, he's a new franchise FS.

  • In reply to mij747:

    Well, again I have been off awhile, but here are a few comments.

    I want to win right now! I also want a team that is consistently good for years to come and that comes through the draft. As we all know JA is not a good drafter overall. Then when we do have decent players they seem to let them go and we watch them excel elsewhere. If we get good now with these signings and are able to get the safety help we need from somewhere, get a viable receiver that is a real threat, consistent OL play and improvement on Cutlers mechanics and decisions then the train is moving in the right direction. The arrows are pointing up at this point and we will see what happens.

    This Rick Morrisey article has some issues if not all that I am concerned with, it is of course kind of stating the obvious, but our coaches and management don't seem to really focus on the obvious except the last two years with Cutler and these three when they have blown their load in a last minute hope of saving their jobs.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/morrissey/2089330,CST-SPT-morrissey08.article

  • In reply to shonbear:

    100% Shon,

    I've been whining about it since Friday (as most of you are probably painfully aware of)... great pickups, definitely makes us better, but we didn't even come close to filling the top 3 critical, gaping holes we all knew we had coming into FA. JA and LS lost all focus and went all Hollywood trying and save their asses. Bliiiinded by the liiiight

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I like the way you have TWO guards in there for Lobo !

  • In reply to shonbear:

    i dont know whats more pathetic:

    A Packers fan spending an entire Sunday on a Bears Blog or a Packers fan talking shit coming off a season in whicht they lost in the 1st round of the playoffs.

    Dude..seriously, go cry yourself to sleep with your GB Favre jersey...

    How does it feel to know that the greatest player in your franshises' history hates you and everything you represent.

    Awe....its ok.....

    Anyhoo,

  • In reply to shonbear:

    I went out to a club where my boy works on the north side on Saturday and Peppers and two of his boys showed up after going to the Bulls game. Peppers was in the VIP area the whole night (or else I would have asked him about taking plays and even games off...yeah right), but he bought everyone at the club 25 bottles of 250-300 per champagne and put sparklers in the glasses. He didn't say anything, but my friend told me it was a thank you gesture to the fans of Chicago for welcoming him. I know he's happy he got paid, but he also looked happy to be here. So, it was a win-win situation. I'm ready for this dude to suit up and destroy.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    The guy no longer has the emotional baggage that he's been saddled with over the last several years. Fresh start, fresh City. Personally I think Green Bay is not going to be a factor next year but Minn. is still going to be pretty good unless "that guy" decides to retire. Not that the prospect of having to face JP next season will play a role in the decision.(Yeah right). Bring it on you pukes. I have a great feeling about next year and making the playoffs has now become a realistic goal. Winning the Superbowl is a stretch but stranger thinks have happened. The Giants are a great example of this.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Bullshit. The fans would have demanded moves like this regardless. Lovie and JA knew a bloodbath was coming if they didn't move to strengthen this team drastically. The Gaines Adams comment was insensitive guys, we're better than that. You can't help what you think about sometimes but its better not to say such things. I doubt his family feels that way.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yea, because fan demands are what get things done in the NFL. C'mon man. I didn't say I was happy about Adams dying dip shit. I only stated the truth, that Peppers would not be a bear if he didn't die.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    dip shit. thats all you need to say. prick.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    You guys rip on people like Jersey and then you come up with your own brand of bullshit. give me a break.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yes, I will rip on racists on a Bears blog. How was my comment insensitive? I was the first guy to come to Adams defense when just hours after he died, people on this blog were talking compensatory picks. I just pointed out a statement of fact. Peppers would be a Bear if Adams didn't die. If that fact offends you, then everything must offend you. But, you're right though...the Bears would have still gotten Peppers even if Adams didn't die because the fans would have demanded it.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Just for the record, my initial comment wasn't based on offense and I though I was speaking as a friend would. I was not offended until the dip shit remark. Jersey's language was ignorant and insensitive and everyone got on the racist band wagon. To me racism is far worse than ignorance and insensitivity and I think using the term racist incorrectly minimizes the true evil that is "real racism". Hell my 15 year old daughter and I got called a racist the other day for politely asking a customer to please move her vehicle that was blocking the business entrance. Anyhow 2 wrongs don't make a right and I'm sorry for responding they way I did.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    In a way I agree with you DM. Saving their jobs while spending somebody else's money. But this is the 3rd largest market in the NFL and next year would've gotten pretty damn ugly from a fan standpoint and it would have cost the org. money. I'm not saying Bears fans still wouldn't purchase tickets or merchandise but there's a big difference between anger and apathy. When fans are angry they will not spend near as much on merchandise. Hell, Peppers Jersey sales alone will make the Org. millions of dollars.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    However it happened doesnt matter, how about we all be happy that the moves Happened. We all like the moves either way, so lets rejoice not argue amongst ourselves. Bears fans unite for the common goal. Sorry, I know it is none of my business, just sayin. Just hate to see fellow fans fighting eachother, lets save it for that clown Max,LOL. Take Care, I will move on.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Good article:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&page=wojciechowski/100308&sportCat=nfl

    "If they could afford to sign Peppers, that means they could have afforded to fire Smith."

    Lovie is a good dog, he stays because he doesn't go off leash on the McCaskeys like Ditka did, or Chuckie would. He tows the corporate line, like a good stooge.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    It's a lot easier to pay someone to play for you than it is to pay someone not to coach for you.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    that sounds like a quote that you could find in a Brian Tracy book.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I dont think it has sunk in yet, how Big of an impact Peppers will really be. We just got one of the best d.e's in the league. The Key to Lovies defense has always been pressure from the front 4. Well Lovie finally has his man to make it work. Tommie has said he feels the best he has in years, with no surgeries this year. Harris & Peppers should really dominate together and Alex Brown should be loving it as well. We just need a Free Safety now to be the recipient of the rushed & bad passes from the new found pressure from our line. Now we can blitz when we want to, not because we have to. That will help us be less predictable for sure. Do you guys remember how Peppers totally Dominated the Vikes & Favre last year, lol. Maybe this signing will make Favre decide to retire after all, LOL. Peppers also smacked Aaron Rodgers & the Packers around the previous year when he played them. If we can stay healthy for the most part & get the F-Safety figured out, we should have a dominant defense again. When you look at the potential on offense, it gives me a good feeling. I hope we put it together this year..

  • In reply to gpldan:

    plus look at it like this: it's easy to cut him at the end of the season, bring in a Chucky or Chin, and give them nice building blocks COMPLETE WITH A FULL DRAFT! they have a better chance of getting a great coach than a mediocre one coming into a really fucked up situation.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Then keep him. Why are we so focused on a guy that is obviously not the problem. The fact he is not a good blocker at this point doesn't mean he can't add that part to his game. He was our best possession receiver last year and is still young and learning the game. I expect major improvement from him this year. The main holes are on the o-line (which doesn't seem to be an area the Bears will address in the short-term via free agency) and safety.

    On another note, what do you guys think the impact of signing mananmaluea on Kellen Davis's future is? I was looking forward to KD stepping up this year. He certainly has a blocking TE's frame and has shown good hands in catching the rock. We could have used manumoliana's money to get a top tier safety. I know this was Martz's guy and the Bears were trying to appease their new coach, but I think the money could have been better used getting a Rolle, Sharper, Otogwe, Cromartie, etc.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    On the surface, good point Crown. Looking at it a little deeper though makes sense. Martz is laying the ground work for his foundation and he has to have the tight end package in place or the deep drop just won't work. Not saying KD wouldn't have been able to do the job but I think we can all agree that Manu will definitely be able to. Bird in the hand kind of decision.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    If the well run dry we don't have any choice but to dredge the bottom of the pond for discarded players.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    I think it was more about the perception that he would bring value (more than a 5th and a bag of dicks) Crown.

    Hear here on the second paragraph!

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    CTA-

    I agree with you...but I think you answered your own question...you said "I know this was Martz' guy"...

    Bingo. To your point, I dont think Forte was the problem either but its become abundantly clear that Mike Martz is going to bring in his personell to do it his way. End of story...for better or worse...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    idk why everybody's in a fuss a/b Matty. in this league, you have to have 2 RBs sharing the workload. and Martz will have 2 RBs that are well-rounded in ALL areas; more weapons at his disposal IMHO

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Exactly, You are so right. You need 2 backs today in the N.F.L. The Bears WILL have a strong 1-2 punch for sure with Forte & Taylor. Whoever starts wont matter cause both can Run,Catch & block so they will both see plenty of time on the field. The Bears have made some Mighty Fine Moves, So Far!

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    In fact, we need a Mike Bush/Bell as well, we don't have a back that can knock a linebacker backwards to my liking. Forte may be bigger than Taylor ? Get in the gym Matt ...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    +1

  • In reply to Dmband:

    201st!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Congrats, you complete the circle jerk.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    That's what I'm afraid of Crown. The little we saw of Davis last year impressed me. I was hoping Olsen would be worth a second rounder to somebody, clearly the receiving part of his game is not as good as his fans think it is. Losing Davis' 6'7 frame would suck. And Jamar Williams is not signed ...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Ginny and Lovie are tight. Wasn't going to happen - mightn't happen either if they win this year ...

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Common guys. Let's not in-fight. No name calling amoungst the brotherhood please. Kiss and make up.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    You're right MB. The dipshit comment was a low blow. I forgive but I never forget.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Crown, moment of weakness my friend. I extend my hand brother.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Alright Trac. You are a Bears fan, I'm a Bears fan. We're good.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Done.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    I think the spending Spree is over and they will focus on the draft now. They still could sign a lower tier player or two. I still believe they are going to trade Olsen for a 2nd rd pick this year. I have heard that Olsen himself is not happy with Martz here anyway. There were hints he may want to be traded, he wants to be featured in an offense. I am not saying whether it is right or wrong, I dont know. A trade just seems like a possibility when you look at everything, just sayin. A team like the Patriots with multiple 2nd rd picks could use Olsen. I am Greedy for sure and was hoping we would sign a free safety as well in F/A. Then get some youth in the draft to bring long. I guess it could still happen, Sharper & Otogwe are still available. The Bears have surprised us before.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    I'm right with you fan.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    The question now is:

    Who needs Olsen and who is flush with 2nd rounders that might give that up for proven talent?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Patriots. Maybe the Bills.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    GP-

    I heard someone mention that on Friday when hell froze over. My response then was, look, I'd rather have them spend the money on players any day...Ultimately, and some may disagree, but I dont think you can debate that a pass rushing end has much more of a significant impact on the game than Lovie would...IMO.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I think Lovie takes way more flak than he's responsible for. I support the team, couldn't give a frak who wears the suits as long as we win.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i think Skip Bayless is in the race for top 3 biggest tools at the 4-letter network (Mark Schelerth is in the front-runner tho). but dammit, Skip just made my day with this:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobears/post/_/id/4664459/will-bears-win-nfc-north?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    Title: Will the Bears win the NFC North?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    FQ, Scoop Jackson has it right, "No More Excuses". From an organizational standpoint, the Bears Coaching staff has no more excuses. If Lovie can't make it work with these players they've picked up already then it would be a scathing indictment of the talent they've assembled over the last 5 or 6 years. I happen to think any quarterback is going to tear us a Secondary with no pass rush. Not saying we have perrenial all pro's back there but with an effective pass rush our secondary just got better.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    agreed on all points

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    The Black guy didn't know Wale was gone.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Just reminding everyone that's interested. NFL network has a replay of the 1985 Bears vs packers at 7pm tonight.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Thanks for the heads up, Trac!! I heard something said here about a 5th rounder for Olsen, That is ridiculous. I have read where scouts think the Bears should seek at least a 2nd rd pick in the 1st half of the draft if not higher. 5th rounder? Give me a break, how insulting for Greg Olsen!! He will definitely draw a 2nd rd pick if the Bears decide to trade him. T.E's like Olsen dont come around too often, thats why he was picked in the 1st rd. Let's be Realistic here. I am still hoping the Bears treat us further by signing a F-Safety like Sharper or Atogwe.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    if tight ends like Olsen dont come around much then why are you suggestion that we trade him? Olsen is the best Catcher we got and he creates a great mismatch. Martz will use him perfectly.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    If 5th round is his value, then yes, keep him.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    keep Olsen, Atogwe at safety, Sharper won't leave NO, Sheppard would be a great addition to the team but don't want the Peanut safety experiment this season.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    peanut to safety, lol omg.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    It was Dan Hampton's idea on the Score.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    The brotherhood stepped in. We chest dumped and made up.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    Heard on the radio:

    The best the Bears have gotten in response to Olsen trade is a 5th rounder...

    no thanks.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Sounds like a bag of balls and a 4th or 5th rounder to me.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I hear you, FQD1911. Just saw that segment while out at lunch.

    If Skip Bayless says "it's good", I have to be concerned.

    On the other hand, who the heck is this Ms. Ready, "Bobcat Sideline Reporter", making disparaging comments about the Bears o-line? Like she ever saw minute one of a Bears' game last season?

    Go back to your lame NBA sideline gig, girl.

    I am not saying the offensive line wasn't terrible for most of last season but none of the pundits seem to note that it DID improve the minute Orlando Pace took a seat on the bench.

    Many of the same critics say "oh it won't matter if Cutler can't improve..." yada, yada, yada, bllah, blah blah.

    Cutler's First 14 games of '09: 19 TDs / 25 INTs.

    His Last 2 games: 8 TDs / 1 INT.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    and there it is. i'd be concerned a lil' bit b/c SB is a blowhort, but dude tells his opinion on stuff whether ppl like it or not. and if he says it's going to be a three-way tie ASSUMING NARCISSUS IS COMING BACK, what would it be if TJacks takes the snaps?

    <----just a tad excited

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Well said as usual, Albert.

    Those Four Letter Sports Network pundits you refer to and their companions on other networks who pay little attention to the Bears LOVE and I mean LOOOOVE to point out that Cutler led the league in interceptions last season. They conveniently overlook the fact that only 7 quarterbacks threw more TDs than JC. I'm satisfied with the potential...

    ...right now.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Great Point: When they shifted the O-Line after Pace got hurt they did pretty well. Williams went to his original position at L.T, and Shaeffer went in at R Tackle with Omiyale improving at L-Guard. the line looked much better in the last 4 games for sure. Not to make excuses or say they dont need change, cause they do. Just Sayin..

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    My opinions are that Omiyale is a lost cause, and Kreutz nearly so. Garza seems servicable for another season or two.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Exactly. And what was the difference ? A tall-ish receiver ...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    But on the bad side

    14 games not played against Detroit - 21 TDs/26 INTs

    He looked pretty good in the last Minny game and got some decent protection. Maybe with more faith in the O-line and a BFF at WR he can actually get it done this year but I still have my doubts.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Hopefully Olsen won't suffer from delusions of grandure anymore and actually start blocking. Could be the best thing that's ever happened to him.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Amen, wouldnt that be something. Olsen turning into a good blocker, that would be the best Scenario for sure.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Wow DM. No thanks indeed. Maybe he can play saftey... oh, wait, he doesn't like to hit, never mind.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Or get hit...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    http://www.sportsfanlive.com/web/article?action=viewArticle&articleId=8424557&team=nfl-chicago_bears&tid=twitter

    so we're interested in Lito Sheppard now. lol....can we get a safety before this? (why haven't they pulled the trigger on Otogwe yet)?

  • In reply to Dmband:

    You may have heard it on the Radio, but it is hardly true. A Fifth rd pick for Olsen is an insult. Like many scouts have said, Olsen should bring at least a 2nd rd pick in the top half of the 2nd rd or Better. That seems much more realistic. T.E's like Olsen as a receiving threat are not common, so if we trade him, he will go fast! I could see a team like the Patriots with multiple 2nd rd picks trading for him, or even the Bills. You may not realize it, but pass catching T.E's like Olsen with his size & Speed are rare. Unfortunately he doesnt appeal to Martz's system. If that is true I would be great with a 2nd rd pick to bolster the O-Line or Safety positions for him. GO BEARS!

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    The insult isn't personal, it's based on his play ... if teams aren't willing to even give up a 5th rounder for him what does that tell you ?

  • In reply to Dmband:

    If that's not the acid-test of how much he lacks heart then what is ... ? Fifth round. We could have drafted Eric Weddle, Alan Branch, Zach Miller, Justin Blalock, Chris Houston, Tony Ugoh, Sidney Rice*, Chris Henry, Lamarr Woodley*, Steve Smith*, Ryan Kalil* or a bunch of defensive ends ...

    * = Pro Bowl

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well done gents, well done. Couple of my favorite brothers can't fight, specially when we got guys like Max coming around. A united front and all that goodness.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Time, gentleman ... Please !

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Trac-

    Lets make sure we are on the same page..and dont take this the wrong way. This moves getting done had absolutely nothing to do with the fans. Quite frankly, they could give two shits about the fans. These moves got done for one reason only...this is literally and all in situation for the entire regime (JA and Lovie) to prove they are worth keeping...

    Nothing more, nothing less...

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Our Safety options are dwindling fast. It looks as though its about a done deal that Clark is going to sign with the Dolphins. He really wants to go there & said he is going with the intent of signing a contract. So that leaves us with Atogwe & Sharper. I am getting a little nervous and starting to think we may not sign a Safety in free agency. We are so close Damn It! The Bears have to sign a free safety in free agency, we have to fill that hole.. We went this far how about 1 more move, since we are so close & it is such a big hole. It is an uncapped year and the Bears obviously have the money. Front load as much of the money in next years un capped season as they can. So they will be in good shape when the cap returns.

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    HAD the money #1BF - our worst fears are coming true - the Bears were given X dollars to fill in the gaps ... and they blew it all on the DE. It wasn't expected they would do much this year anyway. It just feels like we went to the arcade for a few hours ... mommy gave us two bucks and we spent it all in five minutes. Having said that, would you hand the players back ? If they sign Hank Baskett I'm a happy camper, draft the guard.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    The DB class is strong this year and I'm willing to bet the Lovie and JA have their eye on a FS in the draft. This team is going to have to build through FA "AND" the draft. We need some good young talent as well as salty veterans or we'll be back in this position a few years from now. I would like to see a trade that will give us a high 2nd round draft pick. I would much rather see an Olsen trade for a 2nd round pick than keep him sitting around for another year just in case. That to me, that would be bullshit.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    MB, what would you say to a couple of trades that eventually would land us Taylor Mays?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    With you Trac, I just don't see Mays falling low enough, even if we do (and damn well should) trade Olsen.

    You know I would love to have Mays in a Bears uni, I just don't think Jerry and team have the smarts or the balls to make that happen. Spending someone else

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I hear you MB and I hope I'm wrong but I'm inclined to think Bears aren't going to spend much more through FA. This is a deep draft class and I can see a possible trade with NE helping the Bears find some help at FS. Not ideal but acceptable under the circumstances I think. Have you checked out the draft class for FS candidates other than Mays?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yeah Trac, I posted a couple links over the last few weeks. It's a strong FA and draft class for DBs, but that doesn't make me feel any more confident about our position in either race.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Agreed Trac and in another way its a win win...

    If its works out, that means we have a pretty good team next year, if it doesnt work, there will be an entire regime change..

    Obviously I think we are all hoping it works out...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    So, did Jeff ever tally up the results for the Super Bowl points contest? And if so, who won? And when is the podcast?

    Hopefully this won

  • In reply to Shady:

    There's a Mensa test that goes with it, Shady. One of the questions is "Greg Olsen is the Bomb True/False :" ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    "We're in it to win".

    There's allot of ground to cover with this statement that JA made last week. Does the front office want to win? Yes, I think that's a no brainer and the reasons are many.

    Does the front office want to win at all costs? No, I don't think so because in the NFL there are multiple decisions that can set a franchise back years, even decades if an organization throws too much caution to the wind. Do I need to remind anyone of Detroit or the Raider's?

    Lets look at this from JA's point of view. If the money is there and he goes out and spends even more money though FA then he's going to have to be very careful by once again setting the standards too high. Remember the Cuttler Euphoria? Anything short of a Superbowl run would be considered failure and JA is not going to make that mistake again. If he can fill in enough gaps to make this team competitive and sneak into the playoffs then he gets another year or a contract extension. Also, if he's too successful he might end up in a situation like Theo Epstein(Red Sox GM) when he was forced out. These guys know how to milk a tricky situation or they would never have gotten where they are today so as a fan I am going to try to not set myself up for the fall again.

    If the front office says no more money then JA can use that to get a pass on current needs not filled through FA. JA wants to win as long as that means he doesn't loose his job.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Jerry is going to make that mistake again. That very same mistake. He traded for Cutler and didn't give him protection or receivers. Now he gets us the supposed pass rush (let's wait and see) at the expense of not upgrading the Receiver/OL positions. He'll draft some bullshit FS experiment and we're back at Musical safeties.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    I feel bad even posting this, but fuck it.

    Thank you Gaines Adams for getting us Julius Peppers!

  • In reply to shonbear:

    Man, that is COLD!

  • In reply to shonbear:

    It's sad but the truth though. The simple fact is we would not have picked up Peppers if Adams didn't die.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    I back up Crown Royale with Cheese on this. If Adams lives, then we get Kampmann. Almost sure of it, but of course we will never know.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i guess i agree but it is such a fucked up thought that i feel guilty even reading it in writing. i'm a little depressed now.

  • In reply to mij747:

    Hmph, I like 2 out of the 3 signings. Peppers, good, a TE that Martz needs to run his system, good. But Taylor, um no. Look we already have 2 RBs on the roster with more starting experience than him, both are younger than him, and both make way less than he cost us. For what he cost I guess Forte has instantly been demoted to 3rd down back or moved to slot receiver because I don't think many teams can sit a guy they pay that much money too, especially this team who refuses to admit they are wrong and will play a guy even if he is terrible until he is hurt (Pace, nuff said). Signing him wasn't a bad idea but not if it cost all that, now his money will hinder us aquiring a true FS and a good interior lineman, which were um actual needs.
    I mean Taylor gets the same YPC as Forte got last season and Forte was running behind Minns monstrous line, what can he possibly do behind ours especially since we can't afford to make it any better now.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Urlacher, we accomplished two things rather large issues with Taylor. We brought in a back that in my opinion will do better than Forte in Martz's system and #2 which is just as important, we took away a very valuable player from Minn. Taylor has every bit the opportunity to hurt the Queens as much as the Bears hurt themselves when they traded Thomas Jones. The Taylor signing may not have been sexy but it will payoff bigtime next year. Forte is good but not great. Taylor was overshadowed by AP and the guy is hungry, trust me.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I don't see how spending 12 million on Taylor messes things up. If we don't address the roster where it needs to be addressed you can point at Peppers and his $91 million contract. Blaming the acquisition of a solid RB makes no sense. Very few miles on the clock compared to other backs, polished, catches out of the backfield, and there is the prospect of injury we have to be prepared for. We lost Jones last year and Forte had that sprained MCL. If anything we need a Mike Bush/Bell type as well to grind out the hard yards. No one on our roster fits that bill, unless Melton gets used finally. Totally agree that there wasn't much point in making any moves unless the most important part is fixed - Oline. Only time will tell if upgrading the DE position in the most expensive way imaginable was the right thing to do. We need to do a trade. Looks like the piggy bank is empty.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Fresno, please don't do that man. What Max is doing is just poor character and basically just lame. If you go onto a pack blog then add value man. Have real conversations, bring real points of view and use stats, don

  • Hey Doc. As dealing with blogs requires rudimentary computer skills and a capacity for written language ... I don't think that the Packers have any blogs .. that would be my guess, I don't know ...

  • Doc, I'm with you because I love Peanut, he's by far one of our best players.

    My issue with moving him is his durability. Being a FS is much more punishing since you're expected to lay the wood all the time, as much on run downs as pass downs. That means you'll have to deal with Olinemen, fullbacks, and TEs a lot... pretty tough assignment for a guy with two bad shoulders, a bad back and he's listed at only 6'1" 198 (which means he's 190ish soaking wet).

    I think he would be a great FS, I would just really hate to lose him early next year due to injury.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I absolutely agree with 30SD, it's the shoulder injuries that spook me about moving him to FS...and we really have no one to replace him at corner at the moment.
    He gets banged up enough as it is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Send in Payne for Tillman on running downs ?

  • I also believe Peanut winds up at safety sooner rather than later.

    I am not up for a "Lito Shuffle". Teams had much success throwing at him to avoid Dorell Revis and that is why Rex Ryan and the Jets DUMPED him.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    We need another CB though, no depth. And with all the weirdness in Lovie's secondary we can't afford to lose a corner - teams were having a field day against our secondary as it was.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I don't think Tillman is going to Safety. He's good but he's not Rod Woodson good. History has shown us that the transition from Corner to Safety is one of the toughest in football and not many succeed once they get there. Tillman's style of play is not good for a Safety...swatting and going for the ball is great and Peanut has made it into a game-changer. He's one of the best FF guys in the league.

    That's great when you've got a Safety to back you up over the top, but when you're the last line of defense that shit can blow up in your face. If the Devin Hester experiment has anything to teach us it is that you should keep great players in their best position. In baseball you don't make your star closer a starter...and you shouldn't switch positions out from under your best Cornerback in football.

    Can't they just hire/draft a real goddamn Safety?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I don't like the idea that our free safety has to come out of the 3rd/4th round. Angelo can't draft for shit - knox is the only guy that will end up on our roster from last year's draft. Sharper's just had surgery, Atogwe seems to prefer the Rams to the Bears ... we're not preparing to win this year. We just dropped 75 million on Peppers and we're not preparing to win this year. Secondary and O-line are painfully short of talent and depth. Not surprising given the muppet show in question.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I watched the 1985 game vs the peckerheads last night. What a rivalry back then. Its not anywhere near the same level of intensity now. Ditka had our boys disciplined back then but tough at the same time. I loved the TD pass the the Fridge for a TD. Had forgot about thoat. Peyton reminded me once again why he was a first ballot all-pro. The D was rocking, Passing game was struggling but Payton was rocking as usual.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Finally someone that's on my wavelength. I kinda knew it would be you Irish.

    Look guys, I don

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I will wait and see to some degree. While I agreed with you wholeheartedly I just read this on the tribs site:

    "It's no coincidence that when Tommie Harris was at his best as a difference-maker, Adewale Ogunleye had 10 sacks, Mark Anderson had 12.5 and Nathan Vasher and Mike Brown were Pro Bowl players."

    and it does add up. Maybe a healthy Lach, a healthy and re-energized Tommie, and a real threat DE in Pep will make our secondary look a lot better.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Agree, in general FTW... but payne/bullocks/Alfalfa/Steltz are not even in the same universe as a Mike Brown in his prime. Without the injuries I would proffered that MB would have been one of the best FSs who ever played the game

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    fix no fixing..

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    jebus... grammar fail this morning

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Damn it, there goes my boy: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976203

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Irish, so you're saying that because Angelo can't draft we should ruin Peanut's career? I don't know why an educated person such as yourself would continue this MYTH that Jerry Angelo can't draft for shit. Drafting is always a crap shoot...guys who do great in college suck in the Pros. I'm no Jerry apologist, but can you pick many teams that have drafted better? Wasn't there a report a few weeks ago that someone posted on this blog which read that the Bears had actually drafted better than most teams in the last decade...and Mike Shanahan, everyone's golden idol had drafted very poorly?

    And I'm still opposed to the Tillman to Safety theory. There is another answer.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    agree with ghost. I laughed when i heard the suggestion of Tillman to FS. Sometimes its just redonkulous how some of you guys make the most out of the world suggestions. Okay well if tillman goes to FS then who will be our CB's Bowman Graham?..IMHO I think that if we dont draft or hire someone, we should keep pushing Daniel Manning in the FS spot and Al Afalava in SS. Afalava has SS physical power, hard hitter and he fits our scheme.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I think that's a little harsh Fresno... for the record, the Peanut to FS thing came from the head dipshit himself LS.

    And I really like that dudes throw some crazy ideas out there, while I don't agree with all of it, it's fun to discuss it.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    That's the point - not only do we have needs at the obvious places, we're a CB short too ! If we're talking crazy FS experiments then Jamar Williams is built along those lines - 6'0 230 lbs. I think Williams would physically be better suited to playing FS. And this is the time for crazy ideas, six months left ...

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    No, to be honest Ghost, really do not want to see Tillman moved to FS. We have one player who has seen service from last years draft. Let's not pretend appearing in one game and doing nothing is seeing action. Knox and that's it. Angelo has been proven to whiff more than the average drater, the picks are there for all to see. Reports and stats can tell you whatever you want them to, but as a Bear fan all I see is the misses. Case in point - our Oline sucks - whose fault is that ? Dave Toub's ? Our Wide Receiving cirps looks undersized and unexperienced and dare I say it - short on talent. Hester's talent is not for receiving as we all know. I'm going to defer to all those who think Earl Bennett is Superman in disguise. Knox is fast, Shabba rocks (but was an afterthought in Angelo's world). Our secondary is a league joke. I don't think Angelo can put his hands up in the air and say "Hey, I did my best."

    Not good enough.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think Afalava blows up this year. He's a hard hitter, a strong run stopper, and just needs to work on his coverage skills. He looked dominant in pre-season and early in the year during his rookie year. I think if you get a Atogwe next to him, that Afalava becomes very solid. Payne is a just as hard of a hitter, but much worse in coverage. I have no faith in Steltz; he reminds me of a done Archuletta on the Bears.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    +1

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Just because Steltz is white doesn't mean he can't be good as a safety or that he is Archuletta 2. Jim Leonhard has had to fight that stereotype his whole career and I would take him over any safety we have. I don't remember Arch Deluxe making any leaping interceptions in the end zone while covering Calvin Johnson and running it back 50 yards.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Steltz looks to be too slow to handle the NFL. Brownie wasn't the fastest guy but he knew where to be and he did it consistently. Steltz was a solid college player but so was Geno Torretta. He doesn't look to have that physical skill to compete but maybe that could be because he is new to the league and is still learning. He could also be a product of a good college football program that yielded multiple NFL prospects during his time there.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    and by the way, Archuleta was a stud before he came to the Bears. Then he had to play next to rookie Danielle Manning who was absolutely brutal because Brown got hurt. the only thing worse than Danielle Manning now is Danielle Manning as a rookie.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    and Arch had a completely broken hand and couldn't wrap up because of it.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    and see his wife...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Walcott

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'd hit that in the rough ...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I am just saying I don't think Steltz even gets the opportunities to even evaluate him in a game environment. Look at 2009, in 10 starts Manning had 2 pass breakups, Bullocks (who is by far our wqorst safety BTW) had 4 starts and 0 pass breakups, Steltz didn't get a chance to start until the last two games of the season and had a pass breakup. I'm not saying omg he broke up a pass he can play, I am just saying with this regime we never know who the most talented person at any given position is because they are too stubborn to try anyone who isn't a personal favorite until there is an injury.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    interesting point FTW. i will ponder it as i sit here at work and dream of August.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    I think once we're having the conversation about a position then that says it all, if we had a free safety he'd be playing free safety and we'd be talking about something else. There's no QB talk on here, we have a QB. Until the unthinkable ...

    How many of us think - thank god we've got Payne and Steltz - Wouldn't like to go into the season without those guys....?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Yeah, like Jamarcus Russell. BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHA

    Sorry Johnny, couldn't resist.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Steltz is a fucktard. His one big time start he almost killed Peanut bringing the wood on the wrong player. Peanut's lung partially deflated, remember - he may not come back the same guy anymore.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    i was not pleased when he did that. Like he was trying to impress Payne. Payne loves to drill his own guys in the back and in the ribs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Incognito anyone?

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Hahaha, I like this handle - with it's Ayn Rand reference.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Thank Mr. Crown...

    He suggested it time and time again.

    I had to give in.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think I already know the answer to this, but we are all in agreement that Favre will return, right?

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Probably, but I was shocked that the guy didn't get hurt last year... shocked. He will if he comes back.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    In a surprise move today, the Colts released one of their starting gaurds today. We need to go after him, his name is Ryan lilja.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Kevin Jones has been released. I liked him even tho I don't think he even touched the ball 10 times. I hope he catches on somewhere else and has a good year. Just not against us. And Thomas Jones landed in KC.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Lilja wasnt that great obviously. So I dont see anything lost there. Kevin Jones has been released, we did give him a chance. Although it never developed. I really like the addition of Chester Taylor, who I think could move into the #1 back for us. Although I think Forte & Taylor will be a great 1-2 punch at R.B for the Bears.. I think the Bears Will Rock this Season!! The Bears arent done yet apparently & could add some more gems to the mix!!

  • In reply to ForeverBears:

    The Colts went to the Superbowl, the guy couldn't have been their starter and been a bad guard.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Lilja is freaking awesome. They should sign him immediately.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I read that Sharper had Arthroscopic knee surgery this week, to clean his knee out that has hindered him this last season. If he can come back strong which is expected, he could definitely be a force!! I think the Bears are waiting to add him to the mix at f-safety. He knows the division & would have incentive to play against his former teams in G-Bay & the Vikes. I thought we should have signed Sharper last year.. The Pass rush from our front 4 will be tremendous this year,thats what lovies defense requires. We Have to get pressure with the front 4. Then we can Blitz when we want to.. Atogwe or Sharper would be just fine!! GO BEARS!!

  • In reply to gpldan:

    from Peter king this morning, interesting:

    The Julius Peppers deals could be interesting after this season. As I Tweeted on Monday, Peppers' contract with the Bears is guaranteed for the first three years, at $40.5 million. But then ProFootballTalk.com's Mike Florio clarified, saying the second and third years are guaranteed -- as of now -- for injury only, raising a very interesting possibility:

    What if the Bears stink this year, Peppers has one of his so-so seasons (which he's had several of in an overrated eight-year career), and the Bears clean house, firing GM Jerry Angelo, coach Lovie Smith and staff? What if the new regime doesn't want to be hamstrung for $11.5 million ($900,000 in salary, $10.5 million in a roster bonus due Feb. 10, 2011, $100,000 in an offseason workout bonus) with a player they think isn't worth it? It's probably not going to happen, but it's possible.

    As I read the verbiage of Peppers' contract summary this morning, I see that "2011 roster bonus guaranteed for injury at signing then guaranteed for skill on 2/10/11.'' I doubt sincerely if the current regime survives it'll admit such a costly mistake then, but if there's a new coach and GM? You never know. It's an interesting little motivational tool for the Bears with Peppers -- but Peppers could also view it this way, "If I play poorly, I might be able to be a free agent AGAIN in 2011.''

  • In reply to gpldan:

    MB-

    I was going to post something about that earlier. I read that the first year is 20 million, but he can be released after that UNLESS he is injured.

    The only thing that really concerns me is if Peppers if having a bad season, and the Bears are as well...we he all of a sudden develop a "knee injury" etc....

  • In reply to Dmband:

    The worst think that can happen is Peppers gets injured. Outside of that other teams will have to scheme for him whether he's doing well or not. Peppers makes the rest of the line better, there's no getting around that unless he's on IR.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    The cool thing about Julius is that I don't recall him having any serious injuries. He's been a healthy boy and has a natural dominance over his peers.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I just saw that LaDanian Tomlinson is going to visit the Vikings. How does that make us feel?

    Personally, I think without Chester Taylor they are weaker and Tomlinson gaining 3.3 YPC they are not stronger.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Dont worry Ghost! Tomlinson although great, is at the end of the line, he wont hurt us!! The Bears stealing Chester Taylor did much more to hurt the Vikes, Yeah!! I think the Vikes will be more worried about us this year, Same with G-Bay.. I see the Bears being Dominant this year.. Call me crazy, but I have a strong feeling about the Bears this year!! Why Not The Bears?? We Are Ready!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Didn't read all 300 posts but did anyone watch the nfl channel replay of the 85 bears packers game?

    Holy Shit Walter Payton is the best football player ever! He wasn't faster or more athletic than every one. He could run and he had some unique moves, but he was all heart. The guy tried harder than everyone. He gained every yard available. There was no quit in him on any play. He is the reason why I am and will bleed orange and blue till I'm gone.

    How's about a new thread allmighty blogfather?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Yeah I did. I had forgotten the fridge caught a TD on those miserable turd heads. What a rivalry back then huh. Payton stood out the most. Its easy to understand why the Bears never won a Superbowl with those guys after he retired, Payton was the heart and soul of that team. The guy was irreplaceable even if Neal Anderson was decent. He was no Walter Payton.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Neal Anderson is to Billy Sims as Walter is to Barry Sanders. Sims was good, but when you think of the Lions #20, only one name comes to mind.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    There will never be another Payton. Jalepano does remind me of Dent though. Same motor and frekeshly long arms. He may also challenge Idoneje for biggest lips on the team.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I dont know coach! Peppers has plenty of lips & freakishly long arms as well. I think They fall right in..

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I think we are all happy with "Peppers"..Yeah!!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    +1 Coach. +1.

    Fell in love with Walter before I fell in love with football.

    That's why I get so wound up by jokers like Olsen. No heart. No toughness.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Olsen doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence. Thank you for not doing that Irish.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Jesus Fucking Christ, guys. I watched Olsen take some head shattering blasts going over the middle this past season.

    He may not be Tony Gonzo, but fucking a - he's not Franco Harris.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    LT signed by Vikes to replace Chester Taylor... film at 10pm...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    LT doesn't even register on the radar with me anymore. He must have been cheap.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Then again, LT figures to get not much more than 150 carries as a Queen so my concern over the playing service there is likely moot.

    Maybe the Vikes think LT (2 fumbles in 223 carries last season) can show AP how to hang on to the football.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Didn't Abbott toss a no-hitter for the Sox?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    No, he was with the Yankees at the time.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Jeff must be getting some advertising bucks with this thread or something. Its getting old. Obviously "IF" we get a safety now it'll probably just be another bum.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I agree, lets move on already from this article!!! Last!!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    LT and his aging legs on that concrete playing surface that is the Rollerdome does NOT seem like a smart move for him.

    Watched that '85 Bear-Packer game. I had never sat thru the whole thing since it was only carried regionally that day, back before Satellite and DirecTV covererage.

    Outside of Walter's "I'll teach you to run me over the bench 20 yards out of bounds, Mark Lee" performance, that was one BUTT-UGLY fooball game. Probably McMahon's worst outing of the year. I'm sure they are STILL finding flags thrown in that game at Lambeau. Used to watch Johnny Morris do the sports on WBBM when I was still in Chicago but SHAME on him for even questionng Mark Lee's well-deserved ejection for his blatant attempt to injure Payton.

    My favorite sportscaster growing up in Oak Park was WBBM's Sunday night man, the late Bruce Roberts. He loved golf ("THIS one had EYES")and the Bears and he had little or no patience for how low they sank in the late 60s and early 70s.

    This exchange leading into a sports segment took place one Sunday night during the odious "Gibron Regime".

    Anchorman Harry Porterfield: "Bruce, how'd the Bears do today?

    Roberts: "Harry, they stunk the joint out".

    Classic, Bruce. Classic.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I remmeber Johnny of course. Great Youtube clib of Ditka getting pissy with Morris after they cut to commercial. Great stuff.

    Don't remember Bruce. I remember once they tried having Walter Jacobsen report from Soldier Field. May as well have sent Woody Allen...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I'd like to thank everyone for digging up long-buried memories of Arch Deluxe and his complete absence of tackling ability. The guy played safety like he was Jim Abbott.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    That's not fair to Jim Abbott. He would've been able to wrap up.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And before anyone gets all butt-hurt, I think Abbott's one of the best stories in sports history. Arch Deluxe is another overpaid douchebag that made his salary through reputation not performance.
    K, I'll quit commenting on my own post now...
    Bring back Mike Brown.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Abbott is a Wolverine. Go Blue.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    LT a Vike ? Bring it on ...

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    not a big fan of LT running behind that Minny O-Line.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Heh heh - Singletary gets nailed by the Fridge and nearly breaks his neck (3:27) :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gz__D_C1Pc&feature=related

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Pretty interesting:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/10587/air-and-space-demands-pass-rush-response

    Some snarky tweets at the Bears expense in there...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Man, can we play in the AFC instead ? We'd be awesome ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Gerald mcCoy + Kyle VDB + Corey Williams = Lions front four being a real PITA.

    And we don't have a solid RT. Or a LG. Great.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I been saying it. The Lions wont be an easy team to beat like they have been. There offense is good and now their defense is shaping up.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    yep, it looks like the Lions are going to be a much better team than they have been in the last... I dunno, decade? NFCN is shaping up to be a tough one.

    +1 again Crown.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    somehow , that doesn't scare me at all. An unproven rookie + a guy who doesn't even average 6 sacks a season + some no name journeyman tackle? Yah, man I hope they don't just tee off on people with that collection of super lineman. Pretty sure I'd rather face that than Allen, Williams, Williams, and Edwards; and we handled them just fine round 2 with the O-line we have right now.

    I think Omi can be solid at RT, but we do badly need a LG.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Change MCoy to Suh and we have a problem Houston ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And no to Peanut at safety. He risks way more injuries at that spot than CB. I want him at corner, he's one of our best tacklers and by far our best stripper. With his speed declining a bit, I don't want him running after WRs headed for pay dirt. Let him use his innate instincts to cut off routes, play physical at the line, and cause turnovers.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    i like strippers

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    +1

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    +2

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Apparently Sharper just had Arthroscopic surgery on his knee, but says he is fine, just cleaning it out as it bothered him last season. He cancelled two f-agent visits but wouldnt say where they were. I have a feeling the Bears are waiting to make a move on Sharper, they are one of the teams that is said to be interested. I keep thinking why go this far if they arent willing to add one more big piece for free safety to fix the defense. We have a better shot at Guards in the draft then we do at free safety. We would just get another Steltz or worse. I heard a rumor today the Bears are interested in C.B Lito Sheppard. We could use help at cornerback where we are thin talent wise. I like Bowman and I look forward to seeing him progress in his 2nd year. Signing Sheppard would create rumors about Tillman to free safety, which I am not sure I agree with. I would like to see the Bears sign Sharper though, then draft a young prospect to bring along. Sharper knows the defense & the division. I would imagine he would also be pumped up to play his former teams in the Vikes & Packers twice each per year,LOL. We could sign him for 2 years and front load the deal so we absorb most the cost during next years uncapped season. But hey what do I know,lol? Just this fans opinions.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    doesn't seem like there's anything we can do about that but get the docs to check him out DM.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    "... Archuleta was a stud before he came to the Bears"?!?!

    Are we talking about the same Adam Archuleta, Waffle?

    He was signed as a free agent off the Rams, where it was already a given that his cover skills were lame, by the Deadskins who soon discovered he couldn't tackle either! He was BENCHED by midseason and then RELEASED at season's end when the Bears handed him a pile of cash only to CONFIRM that he couldn't cover or tackle. It was all too reminiscent of their ill-advised pursuits of QB Rick Mirer, who was on the verge of being released when the Bears inexplicably ponied up a #1 for him OR Edgar Bennett, who had all of FOUR career 100 yard games - three of which were AGAINST the Bears and once he could no longer FACE the Bears he just stunk out loud.

    Arch's wife IS cute, though.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Cute is perhaps a humorous understatement.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Al - i know he didn't have a 10year Hall of Fame career but for about 4years he was a great player for the Rams. He was a linebacker in college and made the transition to SS in the NFL. He just peaked after a couple of years and his skill set eroded by the time he was in Washington and Chicago. He performed well for a couple of years though, much like most of the NFL. The NFL is filled with guys that played well for 2 to 5 years and then just couldn't keep up with the new blood.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Football is a girl's game now. It really is. Can't touch the QB and people are afraid of conatact ? Jebus. Isn't football about tackling and blocking ? Didn't we all have to tackle that guy that was twice our size, and his legs were like tree trunks and you had to tackle him low and his legs were churning pistons and you knew you were going to end up in a heap no matter what?

    In fairness, though, Tillman is listed as 198 lbs ....

    Kevin Payne 6'0 212 - who is this guy qualified to tackle though - Garret Wolfe in practice ?

    Craig Steltz - 6'1 210 - even less qualified to hit an adult football player.

    We need a BIG free safety. And if Angelo wasn't such a ball bag and so attached to his alma mater over-reach of a draft pick Olsen, we could have a monster like Mays back there, Kam Chancellor isn't too small. Or Brandon Marshall ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    No love for Alfalfa or "Cause Us Payne" or "Cause Peanut Pain" Steltz.

    We saw last year that Corey Graham can't cover shit one on one, but is a decent special teamer. Steltz is 2nd stringer. The only one who can play safety out there is Alfalfa, and he's 2nd string as well.

  • Walt Harris is a piece of shit. He is my second least favorite Bears corner of my lifetime. Right behind Jeremy Lincoln.

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