Now find somebody to run the defense.
Chicago Bears, Mike Martz
If added, that makes 4 head coaches on the team. Questionable tactic, but maybe they will all fight for Lovie's job come next year.
fuck no. they don't win this year....get either Cowher or Chucky (preferably Cowher)
scraping the bottom of the barrel. picking up the crumbs eh.
We're not going to go to the playoffs, but I think it will be an interesting and fun year. The O will score some points and be entertaining...the D is pretty much gonna blow.
Well, the offense can't get much worse than it was lat year, right?
2010: The Year we make contact. With our inner child, crying on the floor.
I'm going to take the optimistic road here. this is a win/win situation. If Martz has the same kind of success with Cutler that he had with Bulger, Warner, and Kitna... we could have an exciting O for the first time in forever. Finally play to the strengths of our roster and move away from the ron turner, boring, predictable, useless crap.
If Martz turns out to be an a-hole and the bears shit the bed... Lovie, JA, and Martz will probably be out at the end of next year and we will see some semi-serious change in the organization.
but with our luck they will go 10-6, sneak into the playoffs, and get destroyed in the first round... but save Lovie and Co.'s jobs. Wait... that's not so optimistic.
Martz - knowing this is a one year deal in almost any scenario - will try and push the Bears offense with as big a change as he can get away with.
Because he's a pompous guy only interested in Mike Martz - he won't really give a damn that Cutler will be learning his 4th system in 5 years. He will devise the MARTZ system, and attempt to do what he thinks is needed to score a lot of points.
Because 2011 is a lockout year, maybe scrubs ala 87 with Ditka. Ditka hated that year. And Martz and Lovie and the whole assclown gang will pick up their checks and move on. So, it will be interesting - Martz has guys that, if they were coached right and given a winning playbook and use the personnel correctly - could be a potent offense. And he will push and push to get as much change in as he thinks these guys can handle.
But, I predict 8-8 nonetheless.
Man you bear fans are really pessimistic.. I think Martz is a pretty good hire if the inept Angelo can find some OL to protect the brat.
Off topic... but are bear fans really like this?
" Bears hire Martz!!! SWEEP FOR DA BEARS IN 2010!!! 3 Bears make the All Decade Team!!! Will Churma be inducted in a rolling hot tub? Will the groundskeeper that Coach McFatty fired be there to hand him the HOF plaque? ... Rodgers fumbles......... Cardinals win!!! GO BEARS!!! "
Conversing with or about Trolls is Verboten. Don't even dignify "it" with a response.
I'm a Packer fan... does that mean I'm a troll?
You're a Packer fan...just means your a dick
Thats one way to look at it, I guess.
I gotcha right here
Damn man! I just lost 1:17 of my life with that, that I can no longer get back! What was the point of that anyway? You can do better than that.
You're really putting google to use today...
PFT, January 26, 2010:
"As the Bears continue to swing and miss in their effort to find a new offensive coordinator, it appears that the name "Mike Martz" NEVER will percolate to the top of the list." - Mike Florio.
Score another one for that gas bag that NBC SPORTS should be ashamed for continuing to employ.
Some common ground, eh? Mike Florio is a scum bag rumor monger. The guy definitely has a creative mind to stir shit up though. My guess is that is why NBC bought that hack site.
yes -- I refer to Mad Max.
I get the feeling here that some people are a little shaky about the hiring of an old school pass happy OC. Well this is certainly understandable since we're are not accustomed to having a QB that can actually throw the ball more than 20 yrds with accuracy. So maybe it won't be the same ole same ole this season. With both the QB and the recievers having to learn a new system. May not matter if Lovett dosn't beef up the O and the D line. And if we're real lucky we won't see anymore of those always popular screen passes to Hester.
Score for the Bears. This is the hire that they should have made from the start-Lovie just doesn't want someone capable of replacing him come 2011.
Look at it optimistically, he could be a good fit for the Bears...imagine if next year they oust Smith, promote Martz and bring bag Rivera.
Jesus. Are you serious?
Farve Super Bowl Commercial. It's actually pretty funny.
that.. is awesome.
Say what you want about Narcissus, (and you all KNOW I've said a LOT) but I have to give him credit for being willing to spoof his own image in spots like the the one gp linked or the one he did for Sears where he can't make up his mind which TV to buy. That's funny stuff.
Give him credit for accepting all those millions to make a commercial? Wow, I'm impressed.
I wasn't really leaning too far either way on the Martz hiring, until I read this quote by him on the site.
And we don't have an offensive line, so we're fucked.
Al, totally with you about the Sears commercials. Every time I would see them, I
O.K. ..I have been mulling this about Martz for sometime now. Not a fan I must say right out of the Box. Reading the blog and other articles etc.. and trying to see both sides I really want it to succeed.
So I have thrown out some questions and or statements, that I am going through with this addition of Martz?
1. No question this will inject confidence and fire up our offense.
2. I think deep down JA had to give in to this choice (well because no else wanted the job)this just shows how inept this management is.
3. This maybe the chance to redeem himself for (Detroit & San Fran)
4. Hard to be open about how great he might be because the party line (The Site)which we all know is going to try to make dog shit smell like roses no matter what. basically he the second coming.
last last damning thing though is this:
Have major issues with the ripping your coaching staff, players etc....just to stroke your ego. I think shit like that needs to stay in house..
I must say torn by this because I love that he is passionate enough to keep tabs on his team but not sure if it was best for the team and it's scope.
I am a devout disciple of "Everything starts in the offensive line. Everything." mantra.
Al....agree with that ideology..I hope we stick to that mantra.
Oh, and this is interesting: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6524
MB...read that also and that was part of my thoughts on my previous post... I am not pessimistic as much I think I am cautious.
Funny stuff, MB.
I'd feel better about if the Tribune didn't have the hype machine on overdrive. How transparent can you get? They're setting the stage for Marinelli as we speak, get ready.
More fun with trolls: vhttp://www.theonion.com/content/video/packers_fan_announces_he_will?utm_source=videoembed
And a big boo yah from Andy Gray: http://twitter.com/si_vault/status/8557855678
MB.... That's when we had passion and conviction and we willed our opponent to surrender.
Indeed Lobo, indeed. We'll get back there man... it's just in the DNA of the Bears. Once Cower comes in, we'll be back man.
Ps. Check the new avatar.
MB... nice new pic..As for Cower from you lips to the Football Gods...
Yeah..twice and wanting to go again.
It is just a matter of time before Maranelli takes a dump in Martz front yard, and they are at each other's throat. And Love Hammer must oversee the ego war.
All of these guys have worked for each other in some way. It's an incestuous pool of idiocy and fat paychecks.
I still think 2010 season is The Isle of Tears.
Sorry, here's the clean link: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/packers_fan_announces_he_will
Well, he has Kevin Jones endorsement, but will he have Kevin Jones?
Al..good question? I really beleive we need a one two punch for our RB's. That's a philospy I wish we would pursue more.
You know what, guys? I'm actually excited about this. Florio kept trying to create a story where none existed by insinuating that Angelo and Smith were at odds over Martz and that questions existed as to whether the strong personalities of Martz and Cutler would class.
To hell with that. Let's start winning football games by 30 points. Let's start seeing Forte turn into Marshall Faulk. Let's start seeing Cutler throw 25 TD and much fewer interceptions...maybe some rollouts, some moving the pocket. Let's get this machine going.
Defense is utterly fucked, however.
Clash...not class. Sorry.
Time to trade Greg Olsen for some Martz talent.
Probably not going to happen. Martz singled out Olsen today as a player he wants to work with.
I don't quite get the Olsen haters on DBB. It seems to mostly be about his run blocking, but he's a real problem at the 2TE slot. As 1TE, he's a liability to threaten run because his blocking is sub-par. But at 2TE, he's a matchup problem, esp. in short yardage where he will go over the middle. I don't see Hester doing much of that.
Of all the problems we have, TE is not a problem. OT right next to him? A problem.
Don't have a problem with Olsen at all...I just don't remember a TE being utilized much in a Martz offense in St. Louis or Detroit. That doesn't exactly excite Olsen fans. I hope Martz stays true to what he said and doesn't forget about Olsen.
It's waht he didn't say about Olsen. He didn't even mention Dez/Davis who are both better, and have more game than Olsen.
I'd still like to see Dez and Kellen in there GPL. Kellen Davis is always open at 6'7. Hester should be going route one and has no business in the middle. I'd like to see less of him and Bennett and more lanky basketball players streaking around. And no, not naked ...
Oh.... Blogfather... How poetic that you chose an image that proves to me that MAGISTERIAL MARTZ and LIMP DICK LOVIE will be fighting over the sight of themselves on the JUMBOTRON:
Arraogant and Pompous what a winning combination we have..
And boy the kool-aid is flowing at Halas Hall Today. They are all belly bumping each other as we speak.
I'm sorry the only way we have a chance is if our gladiators revolt and carry this team in spite of our cioching staff. Oh and by the way it is not of pessimisism but of a glorious history " CHICAGO BEARS HISTORY" I may remind you, that we all know we can do better than mediocore. 2010 is as MB said Mediocore.
Careful, everybody. Don't step in that pile of "Mad Max" over there.
Keep it above the belt Dirty Hairy!
have you gotten the original Aussie copy that's not dubbed? Got one at Target for $7!
I've been trying to come up with puns. I even was going to try some word play with the 1920's Dada movement "mertz".
I got nothin'
I'm glad this is over. Now we can all die a little each day waiting for the DC to be named.
How about... hmmm...
If you don't like the smell of farts,
You're really gonna dislike Martz.
You thought they really had no smarts?
You're right, they picked up fuckin' Martz!
Know what... this should at the very least, be interesting. Agree Jimmy.
I think the most important moves for our team's future (2011 and beyond) rely more heavily on the FA pickups we get through the first game. If we win, woo hoo
So we hired the only guy that didn't say no. What does that mean? How can I be excited about that? I was more excited when we traded for Gaines Adams. I was more excited when we traded for Cutler. I was more excited when we were 3-1. I'm sorry but this is about as exciting as getting my manhood stuck in my zipper.
You won't hear me trying to convince myself or anybody else how to look on the bright side until I see it on the field. From here on out the only remarks you'll see from me will be the brutal honest truth of game to game performances. No more sugar coating .
after seeing what he's saying in the press conference (via Zach Zaidman), i'm pumped the hell up
he's a packer fan....who cares what he says
Settle down... Nobody said you had to care what I say, but I CAN offer a different view on your team. One without bear goggles on...
Fuck it, start this roller coaster already. PLEEEEEEEAAAAASE no Marinelli as DC!
The Bears website has a re-run of the tribute to Sweetness from the Browns game again. I recommend all of you to watch it even if you saw it the first time they posted it. Man I miss that guy. Words cannot express what he has meant to me over the course of my lifetime. Walter Payton the THE reason I am a Bears fan today.
I'm thinking Marinelli already has the job. I think it was him all along. Lets not kid ourselves, Lovie and Babich just need someone to hide behind, they will be the ones pulling the strings on D anyhow.
Could be good, could be bad. Well, at least the team won't enter the draft without an OC...or have Lovie coach the offense next year.
The offense looked like it could be fixed.
But does ANYBODY want to coach our aging train wreck on defense?
Anybody at all?
Mike Florio "kept trying to create a story where none existed..", Ghost?
I'll take that as you think he's a gas bag too!
BTW, I am SURE you will all be THRILLED, RELIEVED and SLEEP BETTER TONIGHT knowing that I have rectified the NORTH DALLAS FORTY situation in my DVD collection.
A damn good thing, Al. I'm unsure we were ready to deal with the consequences of your deprivation.
this just got fucking interesting boys. An actual NFL caliber OC. Not Shoop, not Crowton, not Turner, not some highschool phenom, not some unproven QB coach, or WR coach, or some other fuck. A real OC that has put together some of the coolest fucking plays in the last couple of years. EXPLOITING DEFENSES not running scripts. We have never had this before. Martz has to be ecstatic that he has a QB that is mobile and has a canon. Forte will heal up and will exploit all of the blitzing that will happen last year. watch old tapes of the Rams when Warner would get blitzed, he would just dink it to Faulk who had an entire field to run his old ass off.
He's also a fucking tool and Cutler hates him. This has 'Time Bomb' written all over it in permanent marker. Let's see.
Here's our next Defensive Coordinator:
That's right - get it the f-ck over with already and hire him.
Evidently, so nice I had to hit post twice...or the website is f-cking up again.
i found that really funny
Well played, stache.
This is the man who wouldn't run the ball in San Fran, when he had Frank Gore at RB, and Alex Smith/Shaun Hill at QB. He almost got Bulger killed in St. Louis by calling 7-step drops when he didn't have the hogs up front to effectively block it. He's like Lovie at OC: stubborn, unwilling to change his game plans, and believes that his "scheme" somehow represents him as a person, instead of focusing on doing what it takes to win #COORDINATORFAIL
Not that there was anyone better, but still. F Mike Martz.
I'm not sure WHAT to think yet, but Waffle makes a good point.
At least they didn't hire the next Crowton, Shoop or Shea!
I'm on board with THAT concept!
Mike Martz is worthy of his share of criticisms, particulary, as transplant cites, underusing his best weapon, Frank Gore, in S.F. AND, as i recall, using Marshall Faulk as a DECOY for most of the Super Bowl loss to the Pats.
However, there's no denying some good stuff on his resume'too.
I mean, back-to-back 4,000 yard seasons out of JOHN KITNA?
During MATT MILLEN'S historic "REIGN OF ERROR"!?
Apparently the Mountain went to Mohammed and Cutler must have signed off on this at the meet in Tennessee, no?
Don't mention that murdering child rapist on this site please.
Wow. Someone that gets it.
Wow, Cutler got that little dealie in South Carolina thrown out then ?
Did somebody say on the last thread that Martz was a Coryell man ? I'm sorry but didn't we just fire one of those guys ? Modern defenses with their speed neutralizes all that shit. Fine for Fouts back in the day, but not now. I'm all about going downtown with Cutler, but the thought of Hester/Bennett/Knox all going back to school - blowing routes, lining up in the wrong spot, all that shit all over again .... ugh. I think WR just became a clear priority need. V-Jack looked great in the Pro Bowl.
So why was Martz the last guy they interviewed ? They wanted to check out everybody else first ? Family fortunes buzzer. Nope. You don't leave the guy you want most, out hanging there with his balls in the breeze waiting for somebody else to hire him. No Sir. He was the last chance saloon for the Bears front office - possibly Cutler related, and now Jay has been told to make up and make the best of it. Ginnie & Son are sitting there with Cowher in the pipeline for next year regardless.
"And then his ability to still stand in there and slug it out, he's a complete player from every respect at that position.''
Martz went on to compare Olsen to Ernie Conwell, who had two 38-reception seasons with the Rams. But Conwell was known as a solid blocker, and Olsen still has some strides to make in that category.
- So Martz compares Olsen to a guy that makes 38 receptions ... apart from his blocking, which he admits is poor. Cool.
We'll see. At least he's not a HS coach.
Kitna had to throw all f-cking day because those Lions teams were absolutely horrendous on the defensive side of the ball and they were playing catchup all...let me repeat: ALL day long.
I'm not keen on seeing Cutler take the absolute beating that Kitna took either. In 2006, Kitna took 50% more sacks (51) than JCut took this year. Hell, our QB ended up with a positive td-int ratio this year. Kitna did that neither 2006 or 2007. IMHO the yardage is irrelevant.
the positive td-int ration had more to do with playing the worst franchise in the modern era 2 times this year than with Ron Turner. If you throw out the 2 Detroit games, Cutler was 21-26.
I don't disagree with that either.
I wouldn't throw roses at the feet of either Offensive Coordinator in those situations.
Flag on the play. Unnecessary unfairness. 15 yards. Why do the Detroit games get taken out ? Do people take out 'easy' games from Brees/Turtlehead/Brady's numbers ? Hell no. All games count. It's 27-26. That's a positive ratio boys and girls. Mathematically indisputable. Just about ...
Blogfodda, which one is you in your profile picture?
LOL ! Ah Coach, are you here all week ?
Although there have been many great players over the storied history of the franchise, two stand out to me as representing the soul of the Chicago Bears in my lifetime.
#34 and #51
MONTE KIFFIN FOR DC
I once referred to martz as a hot carl or a filthy sanchez or something disgusting. He was and is however, the most qualified candidate for the job, and the only one with Lovie ties. He was the best hire. I hope he's able to turn our flawed yet intriging offensive personel into a dynamic group like he was st louis' all those years ago. Hopefully our o line has enough to keep Cutler from going to Adamsville (is it too soon?) before the season is decided. Either way, looks to be a year full of way less bubble screens and fb dives. I'm taking wagers on which week Hester's head literally explodes...
fyi Mad Max, you are offically a closet Bears fan!
And there it is..Thank you Max.
matty's going into his 3rd year while faulk has 11 more on him. let's wait and see what happens first (not saying he's going to be better, but time hasn't decided this yet)
My biggest problem with Martz is the ideology...identical to LDL... STAY THE COURSE!!!! that's fine if you see some light at the end of the tunnel but the only tunnel we are talking about with Martz and Lovie is tunnel vision..
In capable of being "IN THE GAME"!! not adjusting.. except for maybe the furniture when the camera is not on you. But incapable of designing a game plan that evolves during the four quarters and not afterwards. And then coming back to the podium and saying" "Well we did some good things and it's only one game" PLEASE!!!
I understand this is what we get, but do not candy coat this choice everyone. It is what it is.
This is what happens when we are backed into a corner. As you can see we are not coming out swinging.
I am concerned for the following main reasons:
1) Martz historically has run the most complicated offense in football and we have 3 of probably the dumbest players in the NFL. Knox, Hester and Bennet are all really, really dumb. Seriously. If you need proof, fire up some of Devin's tweets. They are barely legible.
2) The greatest show on turf doesnt work so well on the WORST FIELD IN THE NFL. Particularly in Dec/Jan
3) Its extremely important that the O Line is very good in his system. Our O line? Very bad.
4) Matt Forte is not Marshall Faulk, and Knox & Aromashadu are not Holt and Bruce or Calvin Johnson.
5) This system is designed for players to be at a "spot" and the QB to throw to that spot. Our receivers consistently were out of position.
6) Martz just seems like a big D bag.
Pessimism is unhealthy, pal.
I think it can work. Martz already is probably the best Offensive Coordinator the Bears have ever had and he is calling plays for potentially the best Quarterback the Bears have ever had with some of the best Wide Outs that the team has had since the days of Willie Gault and Tom Waddle (I know they weren't contemporaries, get off my freaking back!).
This CAN work.
I'm with you Ghost. There is no reason to not be optimistic about our Offense. We are young at most key positions, have lots of speed, and finally have a coordinator who can think outside the box and (hopefully) exploit our strengths. Like you said... he is, by far, the most talented and qualified O-coordinator we have ever had. And in fairness, his last two gigs WERE in detroit and San Fran... at the time, not exactly talent packed organizations... and he had some success there as well.
I still think out D is the heart of the problem. That's where Lovie really shows his stubborn side. Most the key players are older... and I am less optimistic they can re-group and get back to being a top 10 D.
not that I really think there is a chance in hell of it happening... but having peppers at DE would instantly upgrade our whole cover zero scheme. A D-line of peppers, harris, harrison, and A. Brown sounds pretty deadly (provided everyone stays healthy...cough cough tommie).
Now if we can just pony up the 20 mil per year...
Pessimism is unhealthy.
Reality on the other hand, is a necessary evil.
Pessimism is viewing reality from a dark point of view. Be happy, Dmband! You've got the best OC the Bears have ever had, the best QB, a pretty good selection of Wide Outs, the nucleus of a good offensive line, great Tight Ends!
We can do this shit, man!
Our wideouts suck balls, Ghost. I'd take Shabba and Knox on this roster (and Knox only becasue of his ST). Hester is a waste of space and speed and I just am not getting on the Earl Bennettt train. Why is he on the roster ? We need big receivers, I'm tired of mini-mes without the talent running around being unproductive. If you're small, you'd better bring it. Great TEs ? Where man ? Dez is good, solid, but great ? Olsen - please. Davis is promising, and tall, but cannot yet be called great. Our line is sub-standard. With the Brains Trust at wide out we could be in for a comedy of errors - if they can't get down with Ron Turner what are they going to do when they see Martz' playbook. We have no size at running back, we can't change it up in the running game. Hester and Olsen will be taking up two spots that won't contribute any blocking for the scheme.Someone explain the optimism for the offense ...
By the way, both Hester and Bennett have openly discussed, in public, thier biggest issue was "learning the playbook". At times, Devin still looks lost 3 years after he became a full time receiver. Bennett was on the practice squad for a year because of this.
While I agree with you, Martz is the best offensive mind we've had, given the intricate nature of his playbook, can you blame me for not having confidence these players can learn his plays?
If the coach cannot teach his plays, then he sucks. Case closed.
I am responsible for both of those, so you are right to blame me.
I think it's huge that Tinoisamoa is still a Bear. When healthy I think we have the best linebacking corps in football...Urlacher, Briggs, Tinoisamoa and Hillenmeyer, Williams, and Roach backing them up. I like that.
Everyone knows this, but I'm gonna drum it out again, the Bears need a big ball-hawking Safety. Corners are good enough, what is needed is an excellent Safety. Darren Sharper comes to mind...but I'd be surprised if the Bears can lure him away from New Orleans, and besides that he's only a temporary fix...he's old. The "top" Safety free agents are Sharper, Roman Harper, Nick Collins, Antoine Bethea, and Bernard Pollard...among others.
I hear you. And I will try and embrace this.
Apart from a top pass rusher and a knowledgeable FS, our D doesn't seem as bad as everyone has them pegged. Let's see the D-line in week one before we bury Marinelli, Harris etc. We have the problem of Jamar Williams potentially not being here - if the Bears let him walk then heads should roll. Again. We have no quality depth at CB, true. But as a front 7 or 8 we look pretty tough. If Tommie comes back strong that'll be good enough.
Did you like Gault, Ghost ? Always thought he was a one-trick pony. Gentry and McKinnon were the men. Waddle, man we could use a Waddle. DMband was spot on, we have receivers that are dumber than a box of rocks. Shabba seems to be a natural though. Thing is, a new, complex defense is going to mean a lot of burning rubber in the locker room this year ....
1.) Although his offense is more complicated with terminology, the WRs actually have less things to worry about. Martz's system gives them a definate route to run on every play so there is less concern of wether they should be on the same page or not with the QB as in Turner's where each play the WR may need to change to one of three routes depending on coverage/blitz packages they see.
2.) Why can't we just put in that new-age turf with the cool rubber pellet rooster tails?
3.) Our O-line was much better without grandpa at LT and a LT at RT... so there is some hope there if we can get an actual LG.
4.) Matt Forte is very similar to Faulk really, Faulk really didnt take off with yardage until his 5th season in the league and didn't go crazy with TDs until his 7th (2nd season in St. Louis) so who knows, maybe Martz can use him more efficiently.
5.) Again a lot of times, with Turner's system the QB and WR might be on different pages, with Martz once called the WR knows what route regardless of the D's alignment. It is much more difficult on the QB if anything.
6.) Totally agree.
I think my new user pic pretty much sums up how I feel about this hiring.
nicely done Max
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