The Good Ship Lovie Smith

I wanted to write one of those "these are the areas of need" columns but they bore they hell out of me.  You all know what we need.  Two viable, professional safeties.  A solid pass rusher to line up opposite Alex Brown.  A flood of offensive linemen.  Healthy linebackers.  Possibly a number one receiver, though the emergence of Devin Aromashodu certainly put the seed of doubt in my mind.  The Bears are sailing into the 2010 season on the Good Ship Lovie Smith and whether we like it or not, they need the right cargo.

A few things to note:

Let's not go crazy in the comments with trade proposals.  But I'd like to hear where you guys think logical upgrades are possible.



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  • not first!

  • We don't have a 1st to give the Pats should we sign Mankins.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Mankins is UFA. All we need is money under the cap. Cutting Urlacher should take care of that.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    unless I misread the article he's a RFA, meaning we need a 1st to comp NE.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Then I don't understand why Jeff named him, although now that I google it - I see you are right.

    Kiss Mankins goodbye, we have no 1 and 3, and we wouldn't use them on an OG if we did.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I would. In a hot second. Rather give them up for that Jairus Byrd at FS though, or Marshall, or V-Jack. Not too sure about Floyd's hands, though he is big.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    Check out some of the FA names on this SI list:

    Solid names and analysis on here, don't you think?

  • In reply to Shady:

    1) saw some really good OL names out there & yes to ryan clark.
    2) how much are we under the cap
    3) let wale go and sign aaron kampman (he can't ask for too much due to that ACL tear and he's NOT going to thrive in that 3-4)
    4) if we could get Bobbie Williams, i would shit myself dead (hey he's my frat brother and a damn good OG)

    this FA market actually suits us very well. and no we don't need a RB (even if we did, they come a dime a dozen; viable O-Linemen don't. at all.)

  • In reply to Shady:

    Get me Julius Peppers!!!

  • In reply to Shady:

    ooooooohhhhhh!!! Julius Peppers..yes.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    All good thoughts Jeff.

    I'd love to get Sharper, but after the year he had/is having for NO, don't you think they're going to resign him? I do. Like you said, we need a couple of them safeties

  • In reply to jdawg:

    This team does not need a WR or an RB.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Have to dissagree there Jeff. While WR isn't our most urgent need any more, if Aroma goes down we're right back to the midget races. We need another big WR. I've been campaigning for M.Floyd out of SD for months now. He's an UFA next year and he can easily be a #1 WR for anyone other than SD, who has 3 #1 types on the roster already (plus Gates). I say get Floyd and sidestep the Marshall/Boldin drama and cost, and get almost as much WR to compliment Aroma.

    I agree that we don't need to pull the trigger on a RB this off season. Let's see if Matty can come back with a vengence next year (when healthy), and I really liked what I saw from bell in limited action. I think they'd be a good complimentary pair. If we still suck a couple games in, I bet we can make a reasonable mid-season pick up.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    This assumes that the Chargers let Floyd go... The Boltz have a lot of good receivers, but we will have to wait and see who they keep around. All of them would rather stay in SD given the choice I am sure, so the Charges have leverage.

  • In reply to zmac:

    The Chargers have to re-sign a lot of guys, including their two starting WRs, Sproles, an O-lineman, amongst others ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Again, if one of them goes down, we've got no depth.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree on WR actually.
    Not on RB, Jeff, and here is why. We have one good, talented young back. The NFL has gone mostly to 2 back systems, with the rare exception being a supertalent like the dude in Tennessee. Even AP shares time and touches with Chester the Molester.
    My biggest angst in a long time about the Bears actually came watching the Jets-Bengals playoff game. There they were, TJ and Ced, leading their respective teams. That could have become our dominant 1-2 punch if Lovie and mgmt. had played it right. And I dare say, we would be in the playoffs if there were both in uni.
    Point is, we need a compliment to Matte who weights over 120 lbs. and is not coming off total knee reconstruction.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I think a good start would be to bring back the Honey Bears.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Also, thought you guys might find this funny/depressing/sad/embarrassing/ ridiculous/disgusting. At least those are all the

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I think the name of the site summarizes my opinion.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I agree, Jeff. It doesn't seem likely that a solution to the Head Coaching problem will be found this offseason. We have to hope and pray that he can install the correct personnel to get the most out of the Franchise, the O-Line, the running game, and the defense...even with the seemingly flawed system.

    I disagree that the Bears don't need a WR or a RB, however, which you wrote in one of your replies. Sure DA has produced like crazy the last four weeks of 2009, but I am not convinced that he is the future of the franchise at catching the ball. Bringing in a nice free agent would be worthwhile...and there's plenty of room on the roster for him, with Devin Hester hopefully returning to kick/punt return duties and Juaquin Inglesias using up cap space...not to mention Rasheid Davis.

    And if Chester Taylor leaves the Viqueens, why the hell not sign him? Have him compete with Forte for the starting nod. The Bears planned on going into '09 with 4 RBs, why not do the same in '10? Those four being Forte, Taylor, Bell, and Wolfe. Bell and Taylor have similar styles, and I think would benefit from the influence of a proven vet like Taylor. Forte had a major sophmore slump...not on the stat sheets, but anyone watching those games saw nothing of the man who electrified this franchise in the wake of the Benson disaster. I was pleased to find out at the end of the year that he had suffered from a knee injury all season and blamed that on his slowness.

    All positions need to be analyzed and WR and RB can be improved upon.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I am with Blogfather. Forget RB and WR free agents.

    Make the Offensive and defensive lines rock solid and EVERYTHING else improves by default.

    "The Good Ship Lovie Ship"?

    If Lovie were a ship's captain he would be at the helm of:

    A) The Titanic

    B) The Lusitania

    C) The Exxon Valdez

    D) The Edmund Fitzgerald

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    E) The Forrestal

    The best for me since things seem to stay afloat but the team is burning down around us.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    The biggest change that needs to happen is this:

    Limit the projects, maybe even go a year or so without any.

    What I mean is, the Omiyale as a guard project, oh and the lets make Hester a number one wideout project, and oh lets throw in the Daniel Manning to be a FS project, and we still can't forget about the 180lb RB project. I mean I know this is going to be mindblowing for our coaches but... let's just get guys that play the positions we need to fill and are good at those jobs already. POW!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    1. Joseph, we're not cheap, we're just totally clueless and painfully inept.

    2. I read this:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    We have a future with Jay, but where are Minny when the Farvenator retires ? In 2024 ...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Ballad of Lovie Smith by The Ghost of Halas
    (to the tune of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Lightfoot)

    I'm retired and no, I have nothing better to do.

    The legend lives on from Lake Forest on down
    Of the head coach they call gentle Lovie
    The guy, it is said, always gives up a lead
    When the skies of November turn gloomy (that part I stole right out of the song)

    The Bears were the pride of both north and south side
    Coming off a good playoff bi-id
    As franchises go it was better than most
    With a defense and special teams quite solid


  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    :) It's better if you know the tune.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Nicely played. I give it 3.5 stars, only because you can't dance to it...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Good article. Gannon's a sharp guy.,CST-SPT-bear20.article

    BTW, Ghost, well done.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    au contraire!

    If we got a legitimate #1 WR bump Hester to 3rd down specialist.

    And we need another RB. I'm not convinced Bell is the answer and Wolfe belongs in Pop Warner.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    JD, with all due respect sir. We simply don't know enough about the 2010 backfield yet. No one seemed to thing we needed anything back there after Forte's first season did we?

    I think we have to see what a healthy Forte and a Bell sharing some snaps looks like before we spend funds on RB when they are much more necessary elsewhere - like O line and safety. Besides, we need a decent running game, not Chris J. Whether Lovie wants to admit it or not, we

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Secondary is the biggest need. Look at the rest of our division, Favre, Stafford, Rogers. If we don't find a way to bring in a player like sharper our team is in big trouble.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Gotta disagree wholeheartedly. Aromashodu only looked good because our receivers really are that bad.
    And Forte is not a reliable every-down back, hell his good year was I believe less than 900 yards rushing, but since Orton couldn't throw to anybody more than five yards downfield, he got a lot of receiving yards.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    Could be wrong on that number, but I know it was under 1000. A team that gets off the bus running better get a hell of a lot more than that out of their starter.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    I don't give a shit what kind of OC or DC they bring in here, (as long as the DC's a 4-3 guy), I don't care about OL, DB's, WR or RB. To me the bottom line is..., if we don't land a monster DL, preferably a Tackle, in the off-season we are toast in 2010.

    I know we got holes in other spots, (OL, DB, RB, WR) and you can make arguments that we could get by without a monster D-lineman, (maybe just a very large run-stuffer would do if our O would score 28 a game). But the lack of control of the line of scrimmage by our D-line, has to cease!

    Did you see what Cincy's O-line did to us!? We looked like kindergartners out there for cryin out loud! They were pushing us so far back off the line I thought our DL had on roller skates! I know Tommie, didn't play (Lovie's choice?), but I can't believe TH's sometimey ass would have made much of a difference anyway. We got STEAM ROLLED by Cincy! Straight up Punked! Minny did the same thing to us wk 16 once they woke up.

    Getting punked doesn't sit well with Chicagoans. Whatever it takes we have to get the best FA DT available, and if the best D-Lineman is not that good, then just get a huge powerful fat ass person, (like Alfonzo Boone) to stick in there who can lean on somebody, occupy a blocker or 3 and hold the middle down.

    I am sick of this cover-2 'technique' bullshit on the line. The players required to execute it are too freakin small! Plays on the line break down way too often to be relying solely on technique. You have to have the strongest, biggest, heaviest bodies out there on the D-line to force the opponent out of their blocking schemes, break down their plays, and mess up their plan.

    Mike Tyson once said when asked by a reporter if he was worried about his opponents plan to stay away from Mike's power and counter punch, Mike said "everybody's got a plan for me, until I hit them in the jaw". Without the addition of some big ass D-Linemen, we are not going to be hitting anybody in the jaw. Bear Down!

  • In reply to Oaktown34:

    Actually, it was "everybody's got a plan ... until they get smacked in the face", along those lines. Admittedly, we lost a starting DT in Dusty Dipso, but with Adams, Izzy, Harrison and Harris (when he's back to 100%), not to mention the draft wonders, we're hardly screaming out for another tackle. We just need Tommie back healthy and it's happy days. I would still sell the farm to get the Rams first pick and draft Ndomukong Suh though ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Harrison was a huge disappointment this year. He came into camp way overweight and I don't remember him making any plays. Once the staff wised up and put Anthony Adams in there, the DL improved. If Harrison shows up out of shape again next year, he should be cut loose. Dusty is history.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    I think we need:

    1. A DE opposite Alex Brown.

    2. Lance Louis coached up to supplant Frank Omiyale or Roberto Garza on the OL, so we can get a push up the middle.

    3. A DC, who can figure out what we have in Steltz, Bowman, Manning, DJ Moore, Payne, and Alfalava, and either coach them up, or replace them (I am pro bringing back Mike Brown, but Darren Sharper would do). I'm assuming Vasher will be let go by then.

    4. An OC, with the intestinal fortitude to put his HC in check, and do what it takes to win. (Dave Taub for OC)

    5. There is untapped talent on our roster. More then anything, we need the right coaches tapping into it, and dialing up a game plan to decimate our opponents.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    If we bring back #30, I will probably drop dead.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    metaphorically speaking.

    1. It would help if one of the DEs that we've drafted anytime recently would be worth a shit.
    2. We need mean - I say bring in Incognito to shake some shit up in the locker room. I don't care if all he does is get his jaw broken by Olin Kreutz. At least then we'll know he still has a pulse.
    3. I'd settle for ANY DC at this point. We really screwed the pooch on Nolan.
    4. I'd settle for that...and we may end up having to do just that. I'd rather it be him than Martz in any case.
    5. Good luck to us all on that count.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I loved Mike Brown as much as anyone on this board but he can't play FS. What little speed he had is gone. He's all heart and brains. When he finally hangs 'em up I'd love to see him on the sidelines for the Bears. If he wants to go into coaching I think he would be one of the best.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    MB as a position coach is fine with me, and there have been stretches this year where he would've been an improvement over the backup FS that the Bears fielded. Oh sure, we could put Corey Graham at FS and watch him get run over, or put Bullocks in and watch him run away from the football. Craig Steltz is even slower than MB, and MB has worse ankles than Grant Hill.
    Yeah, I'd resign him, for depth and coaching up the new guys if nothing else.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    LOL! Looks like we're set at safety then ...

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I didn't really see him this year. But I wouldn't mind a slower FS if it meant he was running in the right direction.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    Forte is one of the best backs in the NFL - you saw him as a rookie ! Playing with a sprained MCL all season is not going to help your game any .....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    My take is that Forte is good, still love him- but we need to go to the 2-back approach other clubs use and get another real RB to play with him.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    What?? Did he fake 7 catches for 150 and the game winning TD in OT vs. the Queens?
    Was his 2 TD game vs. DET a mirage?
    Dude is for real.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Wow. Just Wow. We don't need a WR ? Jebus Jeff, weren't you watching this year? Our receivers sucked ballz. Hester doesn't block, takes entire plays off and hasn't got the nouse to play the position. Bennett and Knox were dropping routes like bad pennies for a large part of the year -and they're SMALL. Olsen was next to useless(apart from catching meaningless TDs occasionally). Shabba turns up too late. Knox looks like a promising guy in the slot. I don't understand the love for bennett. If you're 6'0 you'd better be amazing, not just a serviceable receiver. Shabba can take oneside of the field, but we won't be the full package until we have a #1 who is at least 6'3. Look at guys like Rivers, getting out of jams all year by chucking it up to V-Jack, Gates or Floyd. Top 3 need, right up there with a vet FS and a LG. Like MB says, one of our receivers goes down, we've got more ill-prepared midgets to replace them with. Angelo should accept his mistake, re-sign Brandon Rideau and go out ad get us another big receiver. Then we can go to war with anyone in the NFL. There are also too many good RBs up for grabs out there to pass up. A nice big power back would be nice to complement Bell and Forte. Anybody know anything about Barden at 6'6 ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We need a badass Fullback more than another running back. Forte will be fine with time for his knee to heal. And I think Bell has tons of potential. Wolfe is probably back next year. Too bad that Kevin Jones is the most fluky injury prone RB in the league. He had tons of talent.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Irish, I've got to give you credit for being consistent. Olsen isn't great but he led the team in TD's (8). Of course, they were all meaningless so I guess that really means he didn't have any. Rideau for the HOF. Newsflash, he wasn't on anyone's roster this year. How is it that all 32 GM's are over looking this guy? Forte is one of the best backs in the league? Please. He's a solid guy when he's healthy but he's more than a notch below at least a dozen other guys. His first year he averaged less than 4 yds/carry. That is pretty avg. I'll give him credit for grinding away all year with a knee injury but we could use another back. Bell is just another guy and Wolfe is a gadget back at best.

    Totally agree Bennett is just another guy. Knox and Hester are pretty much the same WR. Aroma looked good but there is definitley room for a proven big WR.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I thought Olsen had 7 TDs? And three of them were in the Arizona game when the game was over, right ? He was not very effective I think except for the Arizona game and one other. He's a liability, not just with his lack of contribution (he was to be our #1 receiver, remember?) - the golden boy of training camp. In one game he was targeted 14 times and came up with it twice ! Cutler went looking for his BF Waaay too much. I can't speak as to why 32 GMs missed Rideau. They're not very observant perhaps ? Their rosters were full ? They figured that if the Bears had supposedly the worst receivers in the NFL (that was the buzz around Cutler) then who would want one of their castoffs ? I'm not impressed by any GMs in the NFL anyway. How cool does Scott Pioli look now ?

    All I know is that my boy Roy thought Rideau was the toughest receiver in camp, a good tough fast vet with good hands. I liked whatever I saw of him on tape, he loos like a receiver, he looks like he can do the job, not like he's *trying* to do the job ... a la Bennett/Hester. Four out of his first 5 or 6 passes went for TDs. I know that's training camp, but Iglesias was embarassing himself, Hester caught a few, but there was nobody burning up the field exactly. No one else was doing that. Rideau at 6'3 or Rashied Davis ? A lazy useless Hester at 5'9 ? A so-so Bennett at 6'0 ? Juaquin Fkn Iglesias - with questionable speed and hands? Was he so central that we had to cut a VETERAN wide receiver ? a guy that could play football for us NOW and not in three years, when he might get his head around it ....

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Based on his rookie year, Forte is well above average. Not fair to judge him on this year. Bit more training/gym work, rehab, and he'll be a solid back for years. One isn't enough anymore though.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Bennett runs solid routes, catches everything you throw to him and is an asset to the team. If Jay looks to him in the Atlanta and SanFran game we win. what games were you watching Irish?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Agree. I like Bennett. He's the most consistent and 'schooled' of our receives. He

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd be OK with trading him for a big, fat, mean DT.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I'm not knocking Bennett, he's good. But is he the perfect fit for Jay ? No. We need those bigger dudes that can get jump balls. Bennett can't do that. He can do X and Y, but he can't do Z. I'm not saying cut the dude, just don't start him over a taller receiver. He's good bench material. re Atlanta, and especially SF ...again, Cutler has his drinking buddy to get the ball to ... another reason we should trade Olsen, get him away from Cutler.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Bennett is an 80 catch possession guy waiting to happen. Mark my words.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    The bear Organization sucks and the league knows it; don't look for any "new hires" until the front office is swept clean!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I am most hopefull for the development of Hester, Knox, DA, Bennett and a 6'3 receiver to be named later. How can you guys not like Bennett? All he does is perform when thrown the ball. I don't care if he is 6' is Reggie Wayne. Reggie got comfortable with Peyton and Marvin Harrison became an afterthought. Bennett had so many fucking TD's with Vandy. The kid is a gamer and will not disappoint for years to come.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hmmm... don't know him, who's he play for Irish?

    How about Weaver - 6'0" 250. Damn, try hitting that at full speed (Jebus these guys are getting huge and scary). He's an UFA. Or how about Turner, he

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Position of need: fluffers. Get some profesional porno quality fluffers for the coaching staff. They are way too up tight.

    In all seriousness I think we need a quick shifty running back. Forte scares no one, Bell looked ok, but he is slower than Forte. Garret Wolfe is not the guy. I take shits larger than him, of course I don't eat well. Too many pork chops.

    An offensive lineman or two would help, but I think we may have found something the last two games. Williams at left and Shaffer at right looked like a big upgrade over the turd wall we had out there most of the season. I'd almost like to see Garza at guard and see what Oh shit-yale can do at right tackle. That might be our best combination.

    If we can get a true # 1, boldin or marshall, which is highly unlikely i think we should pull the trigger, but if not lets see how we look with Aroma 1, Knox 2, Bennet 3 Hester 4. Do not get roy williams. He is a bag of dicks.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    funniest post of the day. Ill read your stuff any time, man. If you can work in "I take shits bigger than him" and "bag of dicks" as smoothly as this guy, and still make good points (that there is no way in hell boldin or marshall land in Chi) you've got stuff worth reading

  • In reply to animal:

    Still laughing.
    Anyone else see the episode of nip/tuck when the son hooks up with a fluffer at a porn party?

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I think the Sharper signing makes sense if you think you are 1 piece away from making a run. Otherwise, it would be more beneficial to develop someone or sign a younger FA to provide some much needed consistency back there. We need another leader in the secondary, and having Sharper here for one year may certainly make us better in the short term, Im not so sure its the right move for a team with several missing parts, my opinion.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Sharper playing for one year gives the younger guys bench time. Another year studying. Watching. Learning. Not making mistakes. It gives them the benefit of his knowledge (depending on what kind of guy he is). Good for our secondary, good for the Bears ! Sahme we didn't do itlast year ...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Top three priorities in order:
    1. An FS. Sharper would be ideal, but his stock has raised dramatically this year and we would probably have to offer him big money under a short-term contract to lure him out of New Orleans. While I think he definitely has a few years left in his tank, the asking price might be too high. I still believe if Afalava. He started the season making a lot of plays and he seemed to be everywhere. He still needs to learn where to be in coverage sometimes, but hopefully the new DC helps him with that. I feel the same way with Afalava as I do with Marcus Harrison. While they haven't been great, you have to keep playing them to see if they can become great.
    2. DE: Actually, a couple of them. But, I agree, at least someone that can start opposite Brown.
    3. A TALL WR. I don't know if DA will be a #1, but I do know that we have way too many slot type guys. Obviously, Jay has an easier time throwing to bigger bodies, so get him another to compliment DA.

    I can't believe I didn't put the O-line on there, but for some reason I think they are going to do well under Tice.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Well let's see, DE, DT, S, RB, WR, C, OC, DC, HC, GM.

    Yup, we're screwed.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Pittsburgh and Green Bay( and the Bears to a certain extent) managed to turn their O-lines around mid-season. We'll see how Tice helps. With you on the receiver - bigtime. I'd have a LG in there instead of DE though. Brown, Wale, Anderson, maybe Gilbert, Melton's there too. Izzy could play end (I want to see more of Izzy!). It would have been interesting to see what Marinelli would have done with Gaines Adams after he'd been at the weights....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    the O line got way better with Williams FINALLY playing LT where he belongs, and Schaeffer at RT. The Pace experiment cost us big, in many ways. Another example of stupid, stupid Lovie bringing in his boys and making bad decisions because of personal relationships.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    there is no cap for 2010

  • S.O.S!

    I mean 'Go Bears!'

  • It's reported that Nolan was signed by Miami. Now the Bears never said they were interested in him, but c'mon. Eeryone knows the Bears have an opening there and no seems even remotely interested.

    "We'll have no trouble getting candiates because we're the Bears."

    Yeah, right.

    Jeff - nothing matters for next year. It's a lost cause as long as management pretends it's all going to be OK with Lovie as a lame duck head coach.

    Intuitively, we all know next year is lost. And if they somehow make the playoffs, then it's even worse. Lovie will sign an extension.

    Explain to me why we want the Bears to be good next year. And please don't give me "becasue we're fans!" I've been a fan for as much of my 58 years as I can remember. This is a very dark time for the franchise. There is only one winning move and the McCaskey's arent' going to do it.

  • In reply to BillW:

    reminds me of the McGinnis and Saban hiring attempts. The Bears think their history means they can do what they want and that people should just want to come here based on that reputation. Idiots!

    "Coaches don't thing in the long-term" Year right Lovie. Name one coach not named Mike Martz who looks for 1 year jobs?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Jeff Blogfather ...All would be great Acquisitions.

    But I am going to play the Devil's Advocate here.

    If I were any of these players and you were (sorry Blogfather) the General Manager of the Chciago Bears give me three good reasons to come to Chicago?

    and you can not give me the reason of a Historic Franchise for I am much smarter than that. I play with Heart but that can only go so far.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Any fans on here at all ? Why do we want the Bears to be good this year ? To paraphrase His Blogness The Blogfather of Blogdom .... we want the Bears to be good EVERY year. Because, eh ... that's what fans want, right ? For their team to ... like ... win ? Would you seriously bemoan a 15-1 season next year, followed shortly afterwards by a crushing defeat of the Colts in the Super Bowl ? Would you sit there not seeing the wood for the trees crying "No ! If only we'd gone 0-16 then Lovie would be GONE!" ? That's sad dude. If we pick up a nice big receiver, get some vet help at safety and have something good happen to the OL ... throw in a surprise pickup ... things could happen next year. Celebrate that, don't plan the demise of your team. I can't understand fans wanting the players to lose in order to facilitate their fantasies. What you think should logically happen next season if Lovie has a losing record, it does not necessarily follow that he will be fired. Look at this season for example. What if he goes 8-8 ?

    I don't see how we get any worse unless Cutler goes down. I'd definitely enquire about Orton if McDaniels dumps him, which he seems to be doing with his entire organization.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Totally agree. I sometimes "want" them to lose until kickoff Sunday. Then I go rabid and hang on every play and celebrate a win even if it "costs" us draft position or saves a lame ass coach. If anyone on here really did not enjoy the hell out of the wins vs. Minny and Detroit, ESPECIALLY the Vikings game, I just can't understand it.

  • I thought we were OK at SS, not great but OK. FS is a huge need. Icognito, no thanks. That bonehead is a 15 yard penalty waiting to happen. At the most inopportune time. Anyone they can sign that's an improvement, count me in.

    Go Bears!

  • You're not alone ;)

    I'll go with Kyle Van der Bosch (Titans) for our defensive line, what do you guys think about that?

  • Everybody knows Schobel has at least one more season in the tank, and he's posturing hard to get out of Buffalo.

    This guy is Trace Armstrong quality at LE. He is what we need at the opposite end of Brown, and he can be gotten.

    BTW, TO is probably also available. He'd be happy to get out of Buffalo to a city with real nightclubs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    WOW. Is there REALLY TO talk on this board. REALLY?!?!?

  • Well that's my fault then. Knew he had the all-purpose yards, but I thought he only had the reception record.

  • Rex Ryan confused the Chargers and threw them off ... how ? Cover 2 baby. The much maligned Cover 2. Go tell Rex Ryan and the Jets it doesn't work.

    People don't use coverages unless they work. You have to MAKE them work. You still have to play football and watch your gap. Fail to control your gap and the whole system falls down. Every coverage has been 'figured out'. You can attack a 3-4 Man under, or a 3-4 zone by doing X or Y. But if one side of the ball doesn't execute ... the fanciest scheme in the world doesn't work.

    The players were atrocious this year generally on defense, gap-wise. Hillenmeyer is a train wreck in his gap - watch the Philly game and hold in your guffaws. Coverages are never to blame, people are. For selecting them, and for failing to uphold the basics of the scheme.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    They also have a guy who can cover fucking superman, batman, and possibly aquaman all at once Irish.

    Having a shutdown CB with the skill of Revis allows you to completely take away a #1 WR, or even an entire side of the field. Everything after that is a bit easier. But their strong, fired up Dline, LBs, and rest of the D backfield doesn't hurt either. Their D is pretty bad ass.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    LDL did a great job this year of taking our big, physical corners and making them play soft coverage...that worked out well. Revis is pretty phenomenal, but Tillman and Bowman look pretty damn good too when they get to play press coverage.
    I get so mad watching game footage of our secondary. Gawd. Dang. It.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Oh, I hope they smack Manning up and down the field all day long ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Love Toub.

    But he's got zero experience calling plays Doc. Yes, anything's better than Lovie, but should we settle for that?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    He may not have called any O plays, but he puts together a very creative game plan every week, and every week our ST stand out in a way that helps define his ability to expose his opponent.

    Need someone to do some leg work:

    1. What has been the Bears avg starting position over the last 4 years?
    2. and their opponents?
    3. How many points have we scored on ST over the past 4 years (for arguments sake, let us not include FG's, but Robbie Gould is the best in the business under Taub's tutalege.
    4. How many blocked field goals/extra points have we had, and given up?

    I think the numbers will stun all of us, and it is not by accident.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    I hope somebody does the numbers for Toub and shows them categorically what Hester should be doing, but they won't ...

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Mankins would take a 1st round pick, we don't have, Icognito with no CBA can be retained, so he isn't an option. Marcus McNeil is a right tackle, we are going to have plenty of tackles to fight it out at RT as is.. Pace, Schaefer, Omiyale plus the 2 college free agent Tackles they are all happy about.

    1.) We need a big nasty LG. Don't care where you get him, but I would rather see them give Lance Louis a shot there than see a round 2 of the Omiyale experiment.

    2.) We need a FS. Sharper would work short term to get us through to a draft when we have picks, but this is a position we have needed for a looooong time and they have never even tried to fill it; so I see no reason that changes.

    3.) A Dline with chemistry. I don't know if there is a magic answer here but sometimes certain players prosper because they work really well with the guy on the left or right. Look at Haynesworth's drop off in Washington. The Dline we put out there in 08 and 09 can't be the same line we put out there in 10, they don't click, we tried the coaching up thing; failed. Keep the pieces you want/have to and change up the others. Kyle, Aaron, Pool Jumper, 5th round pick, I don't care - just please don't put the same 4 guys out there in the same scheme and expect different results.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    oh and for Christ's sake, let Kevin Jones walk, pick up Thomas Jones.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Want to entertain yourself?

    Check out Frannie the Poof (Queer as Fencik) still spitting up sour grapes about the mere possibility that Narcissus will take the trophy he never had, and getting all subtle that it must be steroids.


    Hey D-Stache? What kind of act would Frannie be?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My thoughts exactly - the organization is embarassing. They have NO clue how to run a franchise. They think their legacy is enough.

    Yes - I have sunk so low that I do NOT want the Bears to go 9-7 or better because they will resign Lovie. Flame me all you want, I have over 50 years in of being a fan. I can take it.

    The only thing this organization understands and reacts to is public humiliation. Like Daley gave Mikey when he tried to get a stadium. Like the whole NFL gave Mikey when he announced McGinnis before McGinnis accepted the deal.

    Of course we COULD make the playoffs next year. That not only fails to resolve the systemic problems in the organization, it would only perpetuate them.

    I realize many of you are significantly younger than me. Hope springs eternal, I guess. I've seen teams built right ('85 Bears) and I've seen teams guessing and get lucky.

    Anybody remember that the Falcons made the SB? Maybe not. In ten years not many people will remember the Bears made the SB in '06 if we don't purge this administration.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Added thought - Lovie is hiring position coaches so it's harder for the McCaskeys to fire him THIS YEAR. They are getting turned down or ignored by the people they are considering for OC/DC. No one wants to work for Lovie in as a coordinator on what likely is a one year deal.

    So if they were standing still waiting for an OC/DC, the McCaskeys might think - OK, this didn't work. Let's start over with Cowher or Frazier or someone else.

    But with all these new contracts beign signed, they can't do that. Lovie bought himself insurance / assurance that he will coach next year. He will be the defacto DC again and Martz may well be the OC. And if they finish 8-8 they will all be resigned.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I would be stunned - outright STUNNED - to see Les Frazier leave the Vikes after the Saints light them up - and come to Chicago as the DC.


  • In reply to BillW:

    Here are some of the names I like from the link I posted earlier:

    Julius Peppers, DE
    So you think it's a no-brainer the Panthers will franchise or extend a player still in the prime of his career at 29 and who's had double-digit sacks in all but two of his eight NFL seasons. Don't be so sure. If the Panthers lay the tag on Peppers, by rule they will owe him a 20 percent increase on the franchise contract he received this year. That's more than $20 million. And if they extend him, the total value of, say, a three-year deal would be near $45 million. Expect Peppers to be signed, then dealt for picks.

    Leigh Bodden, CB
    Bodden has had a terrific year with the Patriots, finishing the regular season with five interceptions, 55 tackles and a career-best 18 pass breakups. He's also won for the first time in his career and loves New England. Still, it is a premium position that is thin in this year's market. The suitors will be many.

    Casey Hampton, DT
    The Big Snack may well be the best free agent option available, regardless of position. Like most free agents this year, there are questions -- age (33 next year), prominent among them. But Hampton had a Pro Bowl season in 2009 and is a fiercely competitive player who would be good in any locker room. The Steelers are going to try to re-sign him, but realizing this could be the last big payday of his career, Hampton likely will be swayed by the best offer.

    Bobbie Williams, OG
    He is tough, talented, durable, great in the locker room and had the best season of his career. Talk about Pro Bowl snubs -- none were bigger than the 345-pound Williams. So why would the Bengals let him go? They wouldn't. Neither would Williams want to play elsewhere. But 10 years into his career and 33 years old and with interior linemen the strength of this free-agent class, the right money and terms might be too good to pass.

    Vince Wilfork, DT
    Keep dreaming. Wilfork is pivotal to all the Patriots defensive success and is due a huge payday. The Pats surely will slap the franchise tag on Wilfork or give him the contract extension he deserves. Then again, it is the Patriots. This is the organization that has made a legend of itself with calculated gambles. Some have backfired. Could they actually be thinking of signing Wilfork, then trading him for an assortment of draft picks?
    Eugene Amano, OG
    This could be the unheralded steal of the free agency market, presuming the Titans do not extend the 6-3, 310-pounder. Although veteran Kevin Mawae was the headliner on Chris Johnson's offensive line and will be on most free agent lists, he doesn't make this one. Amano does. He is consistent and still just 27 in his sixth NFL season. He is a natural center, too, so his versatility could fit any number of teams. Amano has been the regular starter at left guard for the Titans the past two seasons.

    Ryan Clark, S
    Ryan Clark fits the mold of a talented, productive player who simply needs a change of scenery. He picked a good year for it, though. Clark put up more good numbers, but felt the sting of criticism for his pass-coverage skills in an altogether bad year in Pittsburgh. He's a good player and good in the locker room, but showed frustrations and may just be ready to move on. He'll be paid handsomely for it.
    Stephen Neal, OG
    Even though his is not the first name that comes to mind when talking Patriots offensive line, much less the Patriots in general, Neal's value is well-known in the organization. They appreciate him and struggled without him. But how much do they appreciate him? The Pats are going to have some interesting financial decisions to make, which could leave the powerful Neal out there for the taking.

    Sorry for the long post, but wanted to give you guys some names I'd love to see on the back of a Chicago Bears uniform next year.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Given Buddy's legacy here in Chicago, I guess it would have made too much sense to hire Rex Ryan.

    I guess it's fun to play armchair owner. In my alternate universe, Singetary is Bears HC and Ryan the DC. Fuck all, tell me that team wouldn't get motivated to hit people.

    I am angry about next year. Being a fan means wanting the Bears to win, at least against the NFC North Packers and Vikes. Maybe we could drop both games to the Lions, as a kind of charity act for the State of Michigan. They really need the help over there, believe me I know. Then, everybody can say 'fuck all Lovie, you let the Lions sweep you? Out you go!' - yet we can still kick dirt on Max.

    I guess that's the best outcome to hope for. Lose to the Lions and any AFC opponent, really badly, and have Lovie throw a bunch of stupid challenges and lose every one of them.

    Being a Bears fan next year means being conflicted. I really have a hard time mustering the will to support this team, despite a lifelong affiliation. Thanks Ginny and the Pets, you really fucked up the old man's wishes.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Thanks for bringing up the Philly game and Hillenmeyer running in circles whilst chasing ghosts.
    I just threw up in my mouth a little.
    Dammit, Irish.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Maybe HH is a TE .... but he's not playing playing MLB on my team. Get well soon Brian, you're all we've got Son. You may be a big bald prick, but you're our middle linebacker thanks beJebus ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Really...another position coach on essentially a one-year contract???


  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I mean, WHAT THE F-ING F are they THINKING.

    Stop, Lovie. Stop, Jerry.
    Either wait until the playoffs are over, or hire an OC now.

  • Want to know why Mike Tyson is Mike Tyson ? Watch the 2009 doco. Brilliant. A bigger kid took his pigeon out of his hands when he was a kid and broke its neck. Dropped it on the ground in front of him. That's when Mike Tyson was born. First knockout.

  • people are keen on Toub for OC ... why ? What offensive experience has he had ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    No Irish, just Viva. I think the rest of us love toub where he is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    My push for Taub is very simple. I was an Infantry Officer in the Marines for a long time. I got paid to ensure that my guys trained hard and were able to execute their missions, big or small. I was also paid (by your tax dollars...thank you) to ensure that when we confronted our enemies I knew their strengths and weaknesses, and exploit same on the battlefield. "Turn the map around," is an expression you hear regularly. Know yourself. Know your opponent. Develop a plan. Execute. Very simple. Very effective.

    From what I see of Dave Taub every Sunday is that he gets it. He routinely picks apart his opponent, and it is not luck. Will he have a learning curve as an OC. Yes. Will he fail. Yes. But will he ultimatley be a successful OC - his history tells me that he will be.

    Dave Taub for OC (if he is interested).

    Run the headline, Jeff. You can make it happen.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Viva. Thanks for your service my man.

    Wasn't capping on you bud, I think we all feel DT can make a leap soon. Just don't think it should be to HC or even OC on a team that's in serious, unmitigated crisis. That would be like dropping me into the middle of a fire fight in Iraq. I would have no idea wtf to do except shoot like crazy in what I would hope would be the right direction.

    I'd love to keep him as our ST coach for now, his is the only solid, trustworthy unit we have.

  • Yeah, I think there's probably a point in his career where he's going to decide it's time to take a shot. Who could blame him? I think he'll make the jump to head coach, not an offensive coordinator. I just hope it is with the Bears.

  • crack n hos. funny.

  • WR - Marshall, V-Jack, Floyd ... in that order. No six footers or below. Miles Austin. Breaston at a stretch. Jason Avant and Davone Bess are interesting. Bess became Miami's go-to guy.

    TE - Scheffler is gone from Denver. Hello Jay. Scaife ? Owen Daniels ! Ben Watson of NE ? Olsen is a powder puff pansy, sorry.

    FS - Sharper/Harper from the Saints, Atogwe, Nick Collins/Atari Bigby.

    RB/FB - Jerome Harrison(*). LeRon McClain. Leonard Weaver. Ronnie Brown. Jerious Norwood. Pierre Thomas. Mike Bell. Lendale White. Leon Washington. Mike Tolbert.

    One from each group above and we'd be looking sweet, right ?

  • Stuart Smally .... I forgot about Stuart. And Deep Thoughts with Jack Handey......

  • That's it. Toub lost Hester, the GOAT just plucked off his team and thrown into the cauldron of receiving. We'll be able to gauge things really are at the club by whether he stays or goes. Does it happen much ? I just don't see how you put a special teams guy in as an OC. They aren't related in any way. That's like putting an accountant in charge of a billion dollar organization....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    How bad did D. Manning and J. Knox look returning kicks in Hester's absence?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Where were the bevy of touchdowns ? Who was kicking away from them ?

  • pass me that pipe. mmmmmm that's gooooood stuff.
    Next we trade Cutler for Peyton Manning, Bill Cower comes in to coach, and we bring in Ed Reed at safety.

  • pass me that pipe. mmmmmm that's gooooood stuff.
    Next we trade Cutler for Peyton Manning, Bill Cower comes in to coach, and we bring in Ed Reed at safety.

  • Sorry, Hester isn't a #3 he's not a receiver, he just doesn't get it. He'll always be flaky.

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