Perception vs. Reality at Halas Hall

Perception becomes reality in the NFL almost overnight.

Hue Jackson, the quarterbacks coach of a Baltimore Ravens team that could barely throw a pass in the postseason, chose to become the offensive coordinator of the Oakland Raiders.  He chose the unenviable task of tutoring JaMarcus Russell - the worst professional quarterback I've ever seen - and will receive a three-year deal and an enviable sum to do so. 

If you ask Rick Morrissey, he made a choice:

Hue Jackson picked those Raiders over your Chicago Bears. He took
the job as Oakland's offensive coordinator before the outfit in Lake
Forest even had a chance to interview him.

How low can the Bears go?

Now Morrissey, on the surface, is correct.  Jackson canceled an opportunity to interview with the Bears and chose the Raiders' gig.  But does any knowledgeable football fan think the Bears were even in the running?  (1) Al Davis made it clear that he was bringing in a coach to salvage the fading career of JaMarcus.  (2) He subsequently signed Hue to a three-year contract for a boatload of money - something the Bears were simply not equipped to do.  This is not a choice.  This is the difference between hired for a second-rate Broadway gig at $1500 a week (Oakland) or being asked to come in and audition for sure-to-be hit (Chicago).  Ask an actor which they'd prefer.

But the perception, like that of Morrissey and ESPN, is becoming an NFL reality.  The Chicago Bears are the geeky kid going locker-to-locker looking for a prom date.  And ultimately they will settle for someone uninspiring, on both sides of the ball, and leave us to wonder what the 2010 season will bring.

This is why I argued that firing Ron Turner was a senseless act if you decide to leave the head coach in place.  This is why I argued that removing the defensive play-calling duties from Lovie Smith but allowing him to continue his misusage of time outs and challenge flags was counter productive.  There isn't a promising young coach alive who'd like to step into a situation that could set his career back three years. 

But remember, the Bears know better than us.  Don't believe me?  Just ask them.  They were the ones that told us that coaches around the country would be lined up outside Halas Hall, CVs in hand, desperate for the opportunity to be part of this franchise.  Their perception of themselves might help them get out of bed in the morning.  It simply doesn't match the reality.

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  • unstoppable 1st jedi!!!

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Don't act like your not impressed!

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Jeff,
    I think everyone (including JA and Bears ownership) knows keeping Lovie was not an ideal situation. Those guys clearly were looking at personel rather than coaching.

    With our top two draft picks gone the majority of our upgrades will have to be done via Free Agency.With this looking more and more like and uncapped year we could not afford to further handcuff ourselves and throw out that 11 million while putting millions more into another head coach. This 11 mil and the 5+ mil that it would have required to get a guy like Cowher will be allocated to FA.

    With guys like Logan Mankis, Incognito, and Kampan likely to become FA I think it is wise to get them now to replace Shaffer and garza and worry about coachin next year.

    Like the Jets, we must get all of our pieces in place first then get a top tier coach next year to manage them accordingly.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    **5+ mil per year that is

  • In reply to soupbowlorbust:

    Your kind of making sense there. They should just pay to do the right thing in both departments, players and coaches, not have to pick one or the other. This epitomizes why I hate them all so much.

  • In reply to soupbowlorbust:

    Z - you may be close to the truth. I think the McCaskey's DID get snowed, and the Three Stooges will make some lame claim next year that if only they had gotten the coordinators they wanted, they could turn this around - look at what we did in 2006 etc.

    OR - if they someone sqeeze out 7 wins, they will say - what a GREAT job we did despite no draft picks and not getting the coordinators we wanted. You HAVE to extend us so that we can attract quality candidates.

    This last scenario is making me ill. It seems too possible.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Morrissey dropped a bomb on Halas Hall in today's Sun Times.

    It's one thing for we-the-snarkos on the Internet to make fun of the McCaskeys, call them names and compare them to sexual acts.

    No offense to Blogfather, but we here are what Virginia would look down her nose at us, and call us the 'riff raff', and 'those stupid kids on the internet, who cares.'

    Forget that we are the diehard, the core fans that make or break a franchise's revenue and ticket sale prices. Ginny and the Pets think they are selling out Soldier Field and getting premium prices for skyboxes pretty much no matter what we, the Grabowskis, say and do. We are the tv watchers, the lowly... gasp... BLOGGERS. Fuck us, right?

    But for whatever we can say about the fall of newspapers, their relevance compared to Jeff's hangout - they are still the MSM and we are still the pricks on the Interwebs. Sending our filth through the tubes.

    And yes, the Sun Times was once the post of noted fucktard dweebs like Jay Mariotti. Who I will always remember spent three weeks demanding Pippen get traded after his headache incident. He was a bottom runger down there with uber-tards like Bernie Lincicome of the Trib.

    Yes, I get all that. But Morrissey is a MSM writer nonetheless, and even on Mariotti's worst PMS days, I don't think he called out the mcCaskey family and Angelo the way Morrissey just did in today's paper. He called them a joke and a farce. His words.

    We all knew that. We've all been bitching and moaning all playoffs about this fiasco. But now the MSM press is really ganging up on them.

    So, I say to Larry Mayer or any other tool or instrument of McCaskey will reading this blog: we are laughing at our own team, the team we grew up with. Collectively, nearly as a whole, we all think this organization is - top to bottom - only worth watching due the name and the history of Papa Bear. In no other way do we like or respect this franchise. We have a few players we think are ok, and respect for their effort or want-to - even if they are just playing so they can leave here - but everything else, from the coach to the ownership, we are LAUGHING at them.

    And all the Larry Mayer tools of the world who are paid to butter the bread and tow the line.

    Ginny, if you are reading this: sell baby sell.

    Please.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    The Bears have lost their mojo. Even the Spirit of Halas roaming the corridors at Halas hall has been absent from anything this team has done in the Last couple of years. Welcome to the "new look" Chicago Bears. What we are seeing is the Ghost of Christmas future.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    So I think I have this coordinator thing figured out. Either they figured out that they can save more money by not having to pay for any coordinators ever again or the 3 amigos were going to get fired but they convinced the McChickenshits that it would cost them a lot more to can them and all that was needed was a new coordinator, again. So the Mcbalkbalks got tricked by the brilliantly convincing 3some and when they walked out of the meeting the Mcblahblahs said damn, "They got us again", we better not hire any coordinators this year so they can't just tell us again after we suck next season that it was all the coordinators fault because there will be no coordinators. We'll show them. The end.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Consider this. What if we hadn't traded for Cutler? We could have drafted Tim Tebow in the 1st round and a top ranked corner in the second round. Would Lovie's job even be in Jeopardy? Would this team have been better off?. The answer is yes. I don't think our record would have been any different than it was this year and we wouldn't have near the mess on our hands that we do now. All the current problems we now have revolve around the decision to trade for Jay Cutler. Trading for Cutler was destined to fail because we gave up more than we could afford to and Cutler did more harm to this Team last year than Orton ever could have.

    In my opinion where we go from here has no bearing whatsoever because the front office tried to change our stripes and in my opinion in doing so has doomed our team to fail miserably.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Tim fucking Tebow? Are you serious?

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Tebow makes Baby Jebus smile.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Yes, if only we had Kyle Orton or Tim Tebow our problems would be solved.............

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    The Tebow thing is a joke right? Please tell me that was a joke.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Crown, you took the words right out of my mouth.

    Ho-ly-shiete Trac... are you fucking serious? Tebow? Did you watch any Florida games??? They guy is a college trick, a toy, and enigma wrapped in mystery, smothered in silly suace. The fucking guy can't even take under-center snaps without pulling an Adrian Peterson. I

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    teeeebow? aaaaahhahahahahahahaha
    hey alex brown will like it

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    BTW, besides the Tebow thing, your other points are interesting and have merit.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Please do explain.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Not that I want or advocate sloth or the status quo in this situation

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Word MB. The three stooges landing Cutler was like a young Bill Gates somehow getting Grace Park into the sack. Standing there with his pencil out and not the first clue what to do with the bird in the bed.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Got somewhat sidetracked by the Tebow/Orton LSD inspired musings ...

    1. Rick Morrissey blasts the Bears ? Wow. Didn't see that coming.

    2. Firing Ron Turner was not senseless in any way. He was as big a source of frustration this year as the O-line. Clearly at odds with Cutler and logic/rationality. Obviously incompetent to the most casual observers. Trying to run Garret Wolfe on lead dives into collapsing lines was sadistic. Insisting on Hester bubble screens instead of vertical routes to the speedster was dumb, pointless and increased risk of interceptions because the world and his mother knew they were coming. Shabba, unused in his box for basically the whole season. Blindly persisting with Olsen as a starter is maybe more to do with Lovie, but not getting him into positions to be effective is Turner's bag. Turner's sins are legion. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    The only way that scenario could have worked out better for us long term is if the 3 stooges did get fired. They would have probably drafted a bust with at least 1 of the 2 picks they would have had in the 1st two rounds. Remember no great QB since Sid. Hoping they would have hit lighting a 2nd time with a big trade or a great pick is asking a lot. How many of us thought we had any chance of pulling off getting Cutler? Now the QB is at least here already if they get canned next year for a real front office to work with.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Done.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Thank you

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    When can we start signing free agents?

    Not sure if it can work like this... but... with enough talent in place, can we bypass bad coaching? I think offensively we can, but look at post Rivera Bears D. Same personnel, opposite results.

    Next year's garbage - we know that. So let's use it to develop Jay into a "call your own damn plays" type of guy. That way, we can hire Joe Schmoe as the OC, and save some green for more talent.

    If we don't get anybody worth a stool sample soon, I'm jumping on Viva's bandwagon and calling for a "coup de'Toub".

    If all else fails... Trade everything necessary to pick up the Rams #1 pick. Give me something to look forward to (if not Jordan as the OC and me laughing all the way to the sportsbook)...

    SUH ME!

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    Can you please change your name to who is willie gault already?

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    It's true. We won despite bad coaching in '06. Went to the f'ing SB. And with a crappy QB to boot.

  • In reply to JohnGalt:

    jeff,

    tell me if i have this correct: you knew that the bears were going to have this much trouble finding coordinatorS and that's why you didn't want turner to go? funny, i remember your reasoning a little differently.

    "Turner was a terrible play caller (at times) but he's proven that when his quarterback played well, the offensive scheme generates points."

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/da-bears-blog/2010/01/ron-turner-fired.html

    "If anyone was redeemed Monday night, it was Ron Turner. Turner's offense lit up the scoreboard against a pretty good and definitely hungry defense."

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/da-bears-blog/2009/12/did-anyone-see-the-second-half.html

    other examples available if necessary

    you just liked turner, which is fine. but don't give us this "i told you turner should stay because now we're not going to find a decent coordinator and the one we do find will be worse than turner," because a) you didn't say that & b) we'd be horrible next year with turner at OC too.

  • In reply to Sausage:

    Celery,

    I agree with Jeff, RT was a scapegoat. The offense was improving throughout the course of the season, namely because the O-Line was playing more cohesively, the WR were running the right routes, and JC wasn't throwing picks as often. I think Jeff's point is valid in that respect.

    Although this is subjective, I am confident that this offense would be much better under Turner next year then any other coordinator because of their knowledge of the system. There is much less of a learning curve. The fact that Lovie fired Turner, with the understandiing that this will be a make or break year for him was completely and utterly stupid. And if it was forced on Lovie, then Lovie should have his agent leak it to the press.

    Having said all of that, I was pushing for RT to get fired back in 07 and again in 08, and again in 09 because his game plan (much more then his play calling) is faulty. He seems to coach with a don't lose mentality, and I prefer aggression at the point of attack.

    Research that.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    i don't disagree that turner was a scapegoat, i disagree that jeff predicted the degree of difficulty the bears would have in filling the oc spot, as he infers above.

    saying that "this" is why he argued turner should not be fired is just not correct.

    i agree that if we kept him we'd be in a better spot than we are now. that's obvious.

    the bears will be a joke until lovie/angelo get out of town.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Hold on, I'll be right back I just threw up on my keyboard after reading someone wants Tim Tebow.

    Good god man. The guy fumbled 6 of his first 10 snaps from center at the senior bowl.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Ass or no ass, Reggie Bush has to be ashamed of himself that he is getting "Ray J's" sloppy seconds. That would be embarrassing even for me.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Tim Tebow is already having trouble in Senior Bowl prcatices handling snaps from under center? Welllll then, he'd fit right in with the Bears and revive that time honored Rex Grossman tradition of the botched exchange.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Sorry, Tractor, but I think this was a 3 or 4 win team with Orton.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    agreed. Orton would not have won us the Steelers game or the Vikings game for sure. But it could be said that he wouldn;t have lost us some of those games either (SF in particular). Oh well. I would rather not try and figure out what would've happened. I'm happy with Jay. Let's just get him the right tools to help him succeed.

  • In reply to BTiff:

    I cant believe what Im reading. Cutler threw like 25 ints and even though Im sure they were at different spots on the field, many of them were in the red zone or when the game was on the line. This team has gone backwards bigtime and Cutler has sabotaged this team by his wreckless play. When the Bears become about the quarterback we are in big trouble. Thats the reason we are in this mess to begin with. Granted he came up big against Minnesota but I dont like what I saw this year. It better change.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    "Stack the Box" Orton?!?! Are you fucking serious?!?! Hanie would've been in after game 6 and then who knows what?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Say what you will about how great you think Cutler he or how much potential he has but I have some stats below that you may find interesting.

    Rex Grossmans Stats in 2006/Last full year as starter
    16 Games, 3,193 Yds, 23 Td's, 20 Int's, 73.9 Passer Rating

    Jay Cutler Stats in 2009/First full year as starter
    16 Games, 3,666 Yds, 27 Td's, 26 Int's, 76.8 Passer Rating

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    What I'm trying to say is so far I don't see the value we should be seeing for trading away a solid QB and 2 first round picks.

    Kyle Ortons numbers in Denver last year
    16 games, 3,802 yds, 21 Td's, 12 Int's, 86.8 Passer rating.

    Wake up, the numbers don't lie. Orton would have had a better record "again" as the Bears QB. Denver stiffed us, no doubt about it.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    In short, Cutlers numbers are closer to Rex Grossmans than Ortons.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Orton also faced the fucking Raiders and Chiefs twice. Fuck the neck beard.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Dude this Culter for Orton shit has to stop. How many times did Orton almost throw the game away for us only to be bailed out by tough play by D, excellent special teams or a goddamn PI penelty in OT? Look at the NO and GB and PHI games from 08 just of the top of my head. The guys a super douche compared to J-Cut's ability .

  • In reply to smooks11:

    The messenger always gets shot. Next year we shall see.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Okay Tractor I rarely insult people in a discussion like this one but this is one of the most fucking stupid set of sentences I have seen in a while.
    You are making the implication that if The Bears have a poor year next year(An idea NOBODY here contests) you will then be proven correct that we would be better off with Orton or Grossman. That's simply retarded.
    You put Orton on a team with a GREAT Defensive unit with Brandon Marshall, a promising Royal, and one of the best slot receivers to ever play the game and he wins 8 games.
    Now, keep in mind Orton was 9-7(6) with The Bears the year before. Cutler goes from the 8-8 Broncos(With the Defense giving up approximately 67 points a game) to a Bears team that just promoted it's D Coordinator to Towel Boy and cut it's number 1 and 2 WRs. Oh yeah and lost 2 starting LBs in the season opener and he won 7 games.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    If anyone mentions Tebow at QB, Toub at OC, Hester at RB, starting Payne at safety on the Bears, Orton for Cutler, Hanie for Cutler, Cutler vs. Rex, Kalil Bell as a starting running back or even back up RB, I am going to fucking puke.

    It's like aliens or fair weather female fans took some of you guys and sucked out your brains and replaced them with tampons, Madden 10 highlights, quiche recipes or anything else that would normally be considered absolute fucking lunacy.

    Cutler almost broke multiple Bears passing records and some of you terds are talking about Orton or Rex? Are you focking kidding me? How hard to please are you? In his first year on the Bears with the shittiest line and running game i've seen in 10 years and a no name bunch of receivers he still almost had us at 10-6. I feel sick to my stomach when i think that some of you have the right to vote for president.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Son, have you taken your Ritalin today?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Guys lay off of Tebow for now. If we had not gotten Cutler I would be ecstatic at the idea of landing the guy. People are saying the exact same stuff about him that they were saying about VY when he came out of College and let's face it, Tebow is even a better College QB than Young was.
    Tebow is not coming to the Bears so there is no more reason to bash the guy; whoever drafts him will be getting a winner.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Albert ! procedure call or something ! Start flagging this shit !

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    In two years when Tebow is working for Habitat for Humanity full time I will look back on these posts and laugh...

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Agree spawn. The guy is a wicked good thumper.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    There is no way in hell Tebow is better than Vince Young. Vince young is a QB with speed. He actually has tools. Tebow is not even a QB. He had a system that was built around him and worked in the college game. I dont get how you would be ecstatic with us landing another Florida system QB (We already had Grossman and Leak).

  • In reply to zmac:

    Dude I am very sorry to break your heart man, but Vince Young had a system built around him in College too. That's the way they do things at the lower level.
    There isn't even an argument as to who was a better College QB.(http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20091120/ARTICLES/911209928?Title=Tim-Tebow-Record-breaker)
    If you want to bitch about mechanics, Youngs drop-back, accuracy and throwing style are all still pretty fucked up.

  • In reply to A7Xthebest:

    Tebow may be more accomplished. But he is not the better QB. There is no arguing that. Youngs mechanics might not be perfect, but at least he knows what he is doing to some extent. Tebow is not a QB. He is a FB or TE.

  • In reply to zmac:

    Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...sorry you partially retarded my brain for a second with this argument. Tebow is a more accomplished QB than Young, yet he is actually not a QB. He is a FB or a TE. No arguing he's not the better QB? Well it's easy for you to say that because we have never seen Tebow in the NFL Sherlock!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Feel you bro, but what's wrong with Kahlil Bell ? If Devin Hester wasn't such a FU he would have made the block that got Bell in for an 80 yard touchdown the first handoff he got in the NFL.

    Roy breaks it down ...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2Jiv_MawMA

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I'm going to start watching the bulls...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    How much more upside do you think Orton has? How about Cutler? Does that scale even come close to even for you? Orton is just not going to take over games and lead your team to victory often. He epitomizes the term game manager. So unless you can surround him with a Dilfer/Ravens type of situation you are not likely to win a SB. Do you agree that Denver had a better D, O-line and WR's than the Bears this year? If so than just comparing stats does not accurately reflect the skill of the QB. And he still couldn't get his team in the playoffs with all of those advantages.

  • In reply to smooks11:

    I saw a mock draft with the Bears taking CB Brandon Ghee from Wake Forest in the 3rd round. Looks like a pretty solid DB.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    knowing Jerry Angelo this Ghee guy is 5'5'' and has torn both ACL's at some point. WHAT A STEAL JERRY!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Last time I'm doing this...

    Trac I know where you're coming from man, but you have to look beyond the QB.

    The reason the Bears were awful this season WAS because of Jay Cutler. It was also because of guys like Orlando Pace. And Frank Omiyale. And Matt Forte. And Devin Hester. And Kevin Payne. And Tommie Harris. And Nick Roach. And Marcus Harrison. You see where I'm going with this? Cutler came in and tried to win games by himself partly because of the high expectations and partly because no one else around him could.

    There is no question Jay Cutler needs to improve both his decision making and throwing mechanics (getting rid of Pep Hamilton should help) but football experts agree (and we can all see) Jay Cutler is one hell of a QB talent. His arm strength and mobility allow him to make ALL the NFL throws something we can't say about our buddy Kyle Orton. Does Kyle manage the hell out of a football game? Yes he sure does! But without a running game and a solid defense, opposing teams can make him one dimensional and shut him down in a hurry. Jay Cutler has no physical limitations, and the onus goes to the coaches to help him limit the mistakes and it's up to the GM to put the talent around him that allows him to be great.

    The argument that you (and Brian Urlacher) make about the Bears being a better team with Kyle Orton doesn't take into account that the defense and running game went to hell this year. Any semblance of offense we saw this year came from Jay Cutler and the receivers. Maybe Kyle wouldn't have thrown 26 INTs, but he sure as hell wouldn't have thrown for 27 TDs and 3,666 yards and come close to breaking all time Chicago Bears quarterback records with the same supporting cast.

    Imagine the numbers Cutler could have put up in Denver this year with a solid o-line, an effective runnning game and BRANDON MARSHALL? Kyle Orton had a career year in Denver, and Jay had his worst in Chicago. That has to tell you something about their respective supporting cast.

    The fact remains Jay Cutler is without a doubt a more talented QB than Kyle Orton. Whether he was worth 2 1st rd picks and Kyle Orton? Only time (and Jerry Angelo) will tell how good this kid is going to be. But if this damn organization can figure out a way to get Jay to reach his full potential, Cutler is going to put up the kind of numbers and highlight reels Kyle Orton can only dream of.

  • In reply to Shady:

    A+ shady. Gold star. You can fuck the prettiest girl in the class now.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Anyone take back Kyle as a backup on the cheap ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Why does Kyle always look like he is throwing into the wind?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Pisa Tinoisoma will be returning to the Bears. This is great news.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I hear you guys on the orton/grossman/tebow comparisons. Im just saying that Cutler has some growing up to do and he better do it soon because the future of our team depends on it. Throwing picks in the redzone and then yucking it up on the sidelines doesn't cut it for me. It may be be tantalizing to think this guy is the savior or our organization but the truth of the matter is it "CAN'T" hinge on him. It has to start with coaching, defense, o-line. What I have been trying to say is if Cutler doesn't correct the Skitzo play behind center we're screwed. I would rather take a game manager on a team that has issues all over the place than create another isssue because of a quarterback that doesn't protect the rock. I counted at least 5 picks when field goals would have won it or made a huge difference in the game.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    This is my last take on the Cutler comments. This thread was titled perception is reality. The perception when we traded for Cutler was that he would be the 2nd coming and our his talent would give us the final piece we needed to win. The "reality" of the trade based on Cutlers play last year is that this guy isn't yet the field general that JA and Lovie thought he would be for last years season. Is there possible long term upside? Yes,but the reality is we took a step backwards last year in terms of wins/losses. Everyone has pretty much piled on Lovie and the front office and Cutler has gotten a free pass. I'm just saying, look under all the stones and don't set yourselves up for another letdown.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    If you have been reading this blog than you know that almost none of us thought that he was the final piece and that we were almost all begging for a #1 WR and at least 1 safety and more O-line help. We also knew that he was young but very talented. He needs the proper supporting cast and coaching.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I completely agree with your 1st 5 sentences. I still take the setting us back at other positions to get Cutler because the QB position is so much more important than the ones that we are hurting at with O-line being a distant 2nd IMO. It is also the hardest position to find a franchise player at.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Hell yes. Do we really think Henie can step up and be a #1 in any capacity? Honestly?

  • In reply to Shady:

    And what did Orton's game management give us other than three and outs? Cutler's main problem is that he's the only one playing to win on a team that's playing not to lose.

  • In reply to smooks11:

    Comparing Orton to Cutler should be banned on this site going forward and I'm not going to explain why.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    if i see one more comment about Toub as OC or that we should have kept Orton,Rex,Hutch,Slash,Krenzel,etc instead of Jay Cutler i will offically lobby to have that person banned from blogging for life. Tebow? Tebow? We're talking about Tebow?!?! I'm here blogging about the future of the Bears and you're talking about Tebow? Tebow? Tebow man. Tebow. We're sittin here talking about Tebow....

  • In reply to smooks11:

    not nearly as many times as Cutler actually threw the game away this year.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Haha! I wondered when the anti-Cutler faction would emerge in the offseason.

    I'm 100% behind Albert. With Orton at the helm, with that horrid lack of a run game, with that swiss cheese secondary, with that powder-puff defensive line we're looking at the 2009 Bears being 5-11 or worse. Wins against Pittsburgh, Seattle, Detroit (perhaps twice), and Minnesota would NOT have happened.

    But where your argument is somewhat correct is in the San Francisco game where the Bears probably would've beaten them if Cutler hadn't thrown 5 interceptions.

    But I'd much rather have the Quarterback of the future in Cutler than a guy keeping the seat warm in Orton.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Stats don't necessarily equal wins. I think what we are saying is that with Orton and especially Grossman on this team this year that neither of them end up with more wins than Cutler and probably several more losses.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    FTW-

    The sad thing is I can honestly seem him doing that!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    WTF ? You're like a bad girl girl Trac, can't stay away .... my blood pressure man, help a brother out, Jebus ... what do Denver do next year ? Orton couldn't get to the playoffs with one of the better defenses in the NFL, one of the best offensive lines and about 56 RBs in his backfield. Next year he will be without - and you can take this to the bank and cash it - Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler. By my reckoning that leaves them with Eddie Midget and Brandon Stokley ... pulling in bubble screens for the rest of their careers. The Broncos will be looking for their franchise QB for the next 20/30 years or so - and we got screwed ?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    What about the stat for probowl appearances ? Cutler's is 1 so far ... what's Sexy Rexy's ?

    They're not interesting stats at all - Rex Grossman is a shit quarterback. Period. He had a good line, great running backs and a great defense. Cutler had no line, no running game, worse receivers and a shit defense.
    Explain how Rex and Jay are similar again ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Do we really need to shit on Rex again? He was fine for us, but he wasnt the solutions. Also, a good line? Are you kidding me? The line was horrid at pass protection in '06, especially the second half of the year. The line has been a problem for a very very long time.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Derek Anderson has a Pro-Bowl, you want to trade 2 1sts and a 3rd for him?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    ...And Tim Tebow would be in fucking hospital reading The Book Of Genesis to Brian Urlacher after B.J Raji's head had been surgically removed from his anal cavity.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Tractor, or should i say Neckbeard! I knew it was you. Don't be so bitter that we sent you to Denver to be average on a team that should have won 11 games. You thought you tricked us but i knew it was you all along Kyle you silly little bearded neck!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Orton had a better Defense, a better O-line and much better WR's and they still didn't make the playoffs. What makes you think that he would have done more with less here? And I like Orton. I just like Cutler's upside much, much more. It was worth it. We bust picks like it's going out of style around Halas and didn't we get Knox in the 3rd for 5th part of the trade? What 2 1st rounders this last season and next would equal better than Jay and subtract Knox from our team and a add whatever 3rd rounder you would have wanted. Are we better? Our previous bad drafts/trades/contract extensions are why there were so many holes. This trade put us so far back in so many other positions because of those previous failings creating all of those needs but this trade on its own is still a good one IMO.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Why would we want the Vikings QB coach? Was that him "coaching up" Tarvaris Jackson and Rosenfells?

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    Starting the final four games of the season, Jackson threw for eight TDs and one interception while compiling a 115.4 passer rating.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I wonder if Angelo is waiting until after they hire an OC before he announces he has traded his 3rd and 4th round picks for another 2 more 6th and 2 more 7th round picks just so he can say he got 7 picks in the draft.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    how do i reply to someones post? i'm a rook,

  • In reply to soupbowlorbust:

    I like to click on the 'Reply' button beside their post, but other posters may know of another method ...

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Please gents

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Sorry for that mess of a post... had to rush it. You get my gist.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    And he doesn't even have a strong immune system: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/149970-agent-struggling-tebow-is-sick?eref=sihp

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    BAHAHAHAHAHA Tim Tebow??? We dont need any more tight ends.

  • In reply to zmac:

    I laughed my ass of reading all your tebow comments. I am serious though, the Cutler trade cut our nuts off and I'm afraid they won't grow back. At least with this regime anyhow.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    And by the way; we got 2 games worse with Cutler and we actually had a better shot at winning the games we lost with Orton than when we had Cut our throat Cutler.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    C'monn mannnnnn.

    We got 2 games worse with Cutler?

    C'monn mannnnnn.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    It's too early to pull the plug on hope for Cutler. All quarterbacks look bad when they have no time to throw and no running game to keep the defense honest. Isn't a QB in history that could do it. Cutler was officially the most pressured QB in the NFL at something like 33% of passes 'hurried'. His support from his midget receivers was atrocious, his number one isn't even a competent receiver. Our best target, Shabba, got his start in week 16. His supposed number one target after camp, Olsen, did not contribute on third downs or at times of importance, provide no blocking. The play-calling did not play to his strengths and the obvious frisson between Cutler and Turner was obvious. That doesn't excuse 26 INTs or whatever, but Favre has the record and the media can't get out of his pants. Kellen Davis at 6'7 continues to be ignored. How would you miss hitting jump balls with a guy who's 6'7 ? Cutler definitely made some throws he shouldn't have made this year, but if you get him to throw only 10 of those away next year, you're looking respectable. With better protection, another big body catching the ball, a running game .... no way this year gets repeated. Can't happen. I can understand the worry about Cutler - this wasn't what a lot of us imagined happening this year either - but would you really rather have Joe Flacco or Mark Sanchez or Brady Quinn leading your team ?

    Kyle Orton's defense gave him a 6-0 start this season (Deja Vu Kyle?) and he blew it because he can only throw the ball 5 yards. Can't believe what I'm reading. Every QB makes mistakes, look at that old fool gainst the Saints. Manning will screw the pooch in the super bowl just like he did against the Bears. It's in their nature. Cutler will always throw picks, but he's our best chance of a Lombardi for about the next 25 years ...

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    It is too early to pull the plug on Cutler, he can still be fixed. But the lack of a running game can't be squarely placed on the line, if you are facing the QB leading the league in interceptions by a long shot, especially in the red zone... why on earth would you not stack the box and make him beat you. In a given game after 2 or 3 picks, we naturally in situations where we couldn't run the ball. Some of those games where we couldn't run the ball were Jay lying in the bed he made. Now the not enough time thing, yes, we managed; due to injury of course, to get the line right the last 3 or 4 games of the season.

    I don't know Shabba? Smelly? Aromaofshoes? Yes he was Jay's bff in camp but he was injured the first 2 games of the season and his replacement; Knox came out guns blazing; after 4 games we had the 2nd ranked WR trio in the NFL behind Arizona. Noone could make a change to that. Olsen couldn't block any better last year so I don't know he was brought up. Play calling would be the same regardless of QB so again I dont get the tie in to the QB argument.

    This year will most likely get repeated, biggest issues from this season:
    1) Awful O-line.
    2) Awful D-Line.
    3) 1/4 - 2/4 competent DBs.
    4) Cutler's first season in the offense.

    So how do we fix the first 3 issues with no day 1 picks and we know we see a repeat of number 4 regardless of which sap ends up getting stuck with the OC job. Not to mention we have a harder schedule next year than we did this year, I can hardly see any better than 8-8 without a FA or 4th round miracle pick up. As far as Flacco, Sanchez and Quinn go.. I guess I would probably rather have Sanchez or Flacco, Orton for backup and my first round pick this year yes. And as far as Quinn we could have had him pretty damn cheap and maybe got an Olineman for a 1st round pick last year and this year so yes. The issue isn't if the trade was too expensive or not, it is simply the fact that it was done at a time when we couldn't afford that kind of cost.

    And Orton had more yardage than Cutler did nearly becoming a 4000 yard passer his first year with his new offense so I would be real careful of those glass walls before you start throwing stones. No one player can win you a superbowl, not even Manning or Brady. Or Favre, just go ask the Viqueens.

    The hope is , that after the miserable season to come in 2010 and the possible strike year of 2011, we can come back with a group of competent coaches who can assemble an actual football team that we can "bear" to watch. But I am pretty sure 2010 is going to be hard to watch.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    So it was Cutler that led one of the worst defenses in the NFL?

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    do:
    But what do you think of the idea of Toub for OC?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Nicely done.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Guys, Toub to OC? Have you learned NOTHING from the Devin Hester experiment????? Put your people in the best possible place they can be to benefit the team. Dave Toub might be the best STC in the league and you want to move him somewhere other than Special Teams? Maybe Toub for HC, one day, but Toub for OC? I cannot agree.

    In other news, has anyone followed the Pro Bowl bullshit? I read conflicting articles so I'm not entirely sure what is going on, but is the NFL FORCING players on Super Bowl teams to play in the Pro Bowl?

    Has anyone else seen this? Did I read it wrong? It sounds like the Colts in the Pro Bowl are going to boycott it and how on earth could you blame them?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Hear here Ghost!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I didn't bring it up this time.

    But I am on that bandwagon: Dave Toub for OC!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And some more funny shit on the caricature, playing a Muppet, that is Tim Tebow: http://www.sbnation.com/2010/1/26/1270717/tim-tebow-super-bowl-ad-focus-on-family-pro-life

    Tim Tebow Trac??!?!?! Common man.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Monte Giffin for DC!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Isn't he DC for his son Lane?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Better THE GAMBLER than COWARD OF THE COUNTY...

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Players have to attend the pro-bowl ceremonies, not play in the game. The Colts' president is rightly annoyed that its somewhat disruptive to a team's game preparation to have seven key starters fly to Florida right in the middle of their two week prep. I'm not sure what the penalty is for missing, I guess the players don't get their cash prizes and other nice give-aways.

    Nonetheless (and really especially because they are not playing) this is a silly decision from the NFL. They've really botched the pro-bowl this year.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6511

    Good job Timmy!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Cutler for Orton and 2 first rounders (no one looks at the 2nd for the 5th because we got Jackass the Rookie out of it)...
    OK, considering that after this season, Denver SHOULD use one of the 1st rounders on a QB of the future (because Simms ain't it and we all know what Orton is and is not), what did we really give up? An extra first rounder that Angelo would have otherwise thrown in the garbage?
    Shit, throw in another first rounder of ours to make up for the fact that McDouchebag will need to replace Marshall and Schefter and we still come out ahead.
    Like I said, when Denver ends up either using one of their first rounders on a QB or trading it down to pick up one in a later round, then it's Orton and one first rounder for Cutler and that is an easy, easy decision.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    3rd for 5th wasn't it?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Hey Irish,

    I'll do my part to keep you entertained while we all sleep.

    I know you're a huge fan of Hunter, so think about all the pros and cons for each and then tell me... Who would you rather see in the middle next year if 54 went down, Hunter or Shaw (no you can

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Thanks for staying awake MB, appreciate it. If 54 goes down again next year I'll cough up a lung so it's all moot. I don't know anything about Shaw except that he kills on special teams. Why is this his third team in 3 years ? Roster space or talent issues. Shaw weighs the same as HH but he's only 6'1 to HH's 6'4, I like the lower center of gravity mikes, Singletary style. Based on Hillemeyer's performance this year I don't see how he starts. But can Tim Shaw call the Bear's defense ? We don't have a backup outside of Jamar Williams. And he's currently our of contract ...

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Hey Irish, I'll do my part to keep you entertained while we all sleep.

    I know you're a huge fan of Hunter, so think about all the pros and cons for each and then tell me... Who would you rather see in the middle next year if 54 went down, Hunter or Shaw (no you can

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I take Tim Shaw because he's a bad bad man. Hillenmeyer probably had the higher SAT score.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I don't know why I felt it necessary to say "probably". Hillenmeyer should be running for Congress, not playing MLB for the Chicago Bears.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    BTW, have you guys seen this shit: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/150190-bears-target-vikings-qb-coach

    Jebus christo things are getting strange.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    At least we would get the Queen's playbook out of this deal.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Let's see. HH made 60 less tackles than Patrick Willis this year. Assuming Urlacher would be around 140, HH missed about 4 tackles per game filling in for Urlacher. It's hard to evaluate the damage he did in blown coverage, lack of talent etc. All I know is he must have had a hard time in school with a Ducheyne name like that. But Tim Shaw is English ... crap, why can't I have Jamar 'Doctor Octopus' Williams ... ?

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Common Irish. I was hoping for less of a clinical dissection and more of a gut call.

    Yeah, I'm a huge Jamar fan myself. Think he should have been in there for Hunter, but can't tell if his absence was due to his not being smart enough to run the D, or just more Bears management idiocy (a la Shabba).

    Anyway, in a fantasy world where all's equal (intelligence, experience, etc...) I take Shaw in the middle over Hunter in a heartbeat. Even though I was impressed with Hunter this year given he

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    This just in...

    The Bears have offered the OC position to the maintenance man where I work!

    He was a back-up QB at Tempe Normal Teachers College in 1947.

    Yeah, HE turned them down too.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    btw, this fucking blog (technology) sucks horribly. It might as well be the fucking ipad. Frustrating.

    Hey ChiNow, the whole blog thing's been done a couple times before, it's not that fucking difficult to get it right. Jebus.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    They are not forcing them to PLAY, just attend for photo ops etc.

    But the Colts didnt' want to upset team chemistry by having 7 of them get down there early so they threatened to not show.

    But now it seems the league pressured them to show up anyway.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    No superbowl players are playing in the probowl. pretty sure the league won't allow it.

    Here's a thought...Reggie "i enjoy big asses" Bush is a free agent.

    We need a game changing back. Hire Martz and use Mr. Muff in the Faulk role....Championship

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Did you mean this kind of Muff Mustache?: http://www.djmick.co.uk/gallery18/kim_kardashian.htm

    Oh, and this one's for you: http://www.screenjunkies.com/moviephoto/20-best-movie-mustaches-aughts

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    While I agree with you that it would be nice to have the draft picks, it wouldnt really matter anyway see as we are probably one of the worst draft and develop teams in the league.

    And if you were serious about Tebow, I dont know what to say.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    That is without question the dumbest idea I've read on the internet for some time. Drafting Tim Tebow ? Move away from the crack pipe. Jay Cutler is a diamond in the rough - he's never had a mentor. This team has been waiting for a QB with tools for a very long time, and by the grace of God we got one. It takes time to develop a QB, everyone knows that. The real Cutler is the guy we saw in the last two games ... explain that away. Say what you want about Detroit, but we beat Minny in a shootout that Kyle Orton could only dream about being in with his empty toolbag.

    If Tebow is still there in the last round (snick!) we could use another TE ...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Amen, brother Mac. And well put.

  • "But remember, the Bears know better than us. Don't believe me? Just ask them."

    THAT was funny.

    Well when you do things (interview coaches) differently than EVERY OTHER TEAM IN THE NFL you're going to be questioned and laughed at. Honestly, I don't really care much for HOW the Bears go about their search, I care more about getting the last laugh, the results.

    As far as Huge Action is concerned, the rumor is Al Davis basically promised the HC position to him sometime in the very near future. Who knows for sure, but either way nobody likes getting dumped on in favor of the Jamarcus Russell led Oakland Raiders.

  • Respectfully disagree Jeff - the Bears are no sure fire hit. I think a lot of us fans are as dilussional as the owners and management.

    We are the Chicago Bears - one of the worst run franchises in sports.

  • In reply to BillW:

    True...so sadly true...

  • Sd: I agree, I'm only saying be careful with this guy. He ain't Lilly White and I think its fair to at least speculate whether or not Cutlers play has a bigger role in this teams current situation than we all realize.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Well why didn't you say that in the first place? Manning's an asshole too, so was Ditka and any number of other greats, but now you've got a point. But what we're saying is that if his receivers knew right from left, his line could have protected him more than two games, and the team that got off the bus running actually had done so, that exact same Cutler would have been up in the top tier of QBs this year. And besides the interceptions, he was.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    And the guy giving him orders was so bad that even the front office clownshow finally couldn't ignore him.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    I also heard Yoda is seriously considering coming out of retirement.

  • The media has reported that the Bears are looking at college coaches now. If that isn't desparation, what is? Not to say college coaches can't work, but come on - if that was part of the plan, then why wait until 4-5 guys turn you down to do it?

    Where is the outrage in the media about Angelo saying smuggly that they will have no trouble getting candidates? That people essentially will be calling the Bears?

    Did you hear that some executive of the Bills claimed he got 15 calls a day about their HC opening? And he said "I'm not exagerrating"! Then he also said there is no trouble filling jobs int he NFL, "even bad ones". WOW! Admitting your HC position is a bad job!

  • Just so we can put this to rest:

    Orton failed to make the playoffs with a better
    A) running game
    B) Offensive line
    C) Defense

    There is NO CASE for him. NONE. The results are there. That team was noticeably hamstrung on offense BECAUSE of him. No big play threat at all.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I can see the pain I'm causing. I won't bring it up again unless you ask me to.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I mean, I can see where you re coming from....I think the theme is more Cutler was a disappointment this year, than it being a bad trade...In my opinion.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Most of the very basis for the disappointment is due to the price of the trade.....

    If we would have traded Orton for Cutler straight up then this years performance would have been acceptable but you can't essentially trade 3 guys for 1 and not have pretty high expectations of him.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Well let me put it this way.

    Orton has reached, nay, EXCEEDED his maximum potential. Cutler hasnt even brushed the service of his maximum potential.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    Also, the mere fact that we have certainty at the position makes the trade worth it.

    You simply CANNOT have a QB controversy every summer and have any level of sustained success in the NFL.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    I am not saying the trade won't end up being worth it, just that there is really no means to put forth a winning product in 2010 with no draft picks, no FAs due to lack of a new CBA, and a couple of rookie college coordinators.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    You seriously think JA would had picked winners this time? I doubt it. In the 2 first rounders he would have taken, we would had been extremely lucky to get one starter out of it. Instead we got a sure think starter with a ton of upside in Cutler. I just dont trust the bears drafting and developing process enough to care about our draft picks.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Bears interviewed Kevin Rogers (Vikes QB coach) today for OC.

    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6512

  • In reply to Dmband:

    so....Kevin Rogers interviewing for the OC Job....

    helped develop McNabb at 'Cuse....what else we know a/b him?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    He knows when to hold 'em, and when to fold 'em.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Have you seen that guy lately. Jebushe looks like a plastic doll. Scary.

  • In reply to Shady:

    o shit....a gambler huh? yea this doesn't bode well :-(

  • In reply to Dmband:

    A) running game was worse in Denver this year.
    B) Oline was the same in Denver as last year.
    C) Orton doesn't play D.

    Orton put up very similar numbers in Denver as Cutler did last year and led them to the same record 8-8; Cutler put up worse numbers here than Orton did last year and led us to a worse record. Cutler has much more raw ability than KO, that is apparant within 5 minutes of watching either play but mentally and fundamentally Orton is better. The good news is, you can't teach Cutler's arm strength and natural mobility in the pocket, if we can teach him better mechanics and that incompletions are not bad, he will be amazing in the next few years. The deal will turn more and more towards our favor but don't expect to see any magic in 2010. And any comparisons of the 2 after these last 2 season will get sloppier and sloppier as things change around them on both teams. So we may as well stop now, my worries are more just concerning Cutler's issues without comparing him to anyone else; things like he hasn't led a team to a winning record since high school or he has never won a game when down by 14 points or more in his career, little things like that bother me enough.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    that last part of the statement is wrong. when he was in college, he engineered a comeback for the ages my freshman year (his junior) against my alma mater (Arkansas). we led 17-3 at halftime...vandy won 31-24 (all on Cutty's arm). that dude was a damn magician back then

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    okay, in his pro-career then.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    very rarely do QBs come in in 3 or less years (as starters) and excel. look at all the greats....they all had their clusterfuck seasons. give it time padawan....

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    This was Cutler's 4th year and while, yes most of the greats have an off year in there, the best dont. Manning struggled a bit his 4th season but had already had a 30 plus TD season with under 20 picks, Brady has only had one season ever when he didn't throw 10 or more TDs than picks. Marino essentially came out of the womb throwing TDs, even Mcnabb was doing fine by his fourth year. I know he can be great for a game here and there, I have seen it. I am just getting nervous that if he can't fix his mechanics he wont be able to put together a great season. We didn't pay the price we did to get a mid tier QB, we payed a top tier price.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Check this out boys:

    Check this out piece from SI's mock draft:

    "@ #20 S Taylor Mays USC Sr. 6-3 230

    On the flip side, Mays, the celebrated ex-Trojans safety, hasn't been impressive at all in Mobile at the Senior Bowl, and some scouts believe he's overrated and could fall into the second round. We'll give him to Houston for now, because of its need at safety, but keep an eye on Mays' stock for further devaluation."

    Maybe if we trade up for a 2nd round pick somehow, we can get a falling Mays.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Whoever we pick seems to fall after a year or two in Chicago.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    A lot of people here talk shit on Rivers, but he has led quite a few 4th quarter come-backs. The Cincy game in particular.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Denver's D was way better than they were the year before. And your D definitely effects the situations your O is in. Like being way, way behind. Orton on Denver the year before would not have won 8 games IMO. Didn't they add Stokely this year too?

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