Bears Must Fire Lovie Smith

With ESPN reporting that Perry Fewell will be accepting the defensive coordinator position with the New York Giants and the Chicago Bears dragging the bottom of the barrel and interviewing Mike Tice, it is time for the decision makers at Halas Hall to admit a mistake and fire Lovie Smith.  

The plan was moronic from the start.  How can an organization argue that a team's coaching was terrible on both sides of the ball while giving a vote of confidence to the head man?  How can that same organization expect any coach of note to sign what would essentially be a one-year deal under a playoffs-or-bust mandate?
There is still time.  The off-season is not lost.  And no fan alive (or dead, I guess) will fault the organization for reacting to the events of the past two weeks.  At this stage it is not important for the Bears to make overtures to Jon Gruden or Bill Cowher.  No coach has ever won Super Bowls with two organizations and there's no reason to believe that's going to change soon.  What is important is that the Bears end what is becoming a circus at Halas Hall.  
How many coaches need to turn down this proud franchise before the understanding sets in?  How many girls have to turn down your prom offer before you realize that maybe it's difficult to dance in a full body cast?  Perry Fewell chose to run a defense that allowed forty points to just about every team they played down the stretch.  Jeremy Bates chose an aging quarterback and one of the worst offenses in the sport.
How bad will this organization allow itself to look?  Fire Lovie.  Save face.    


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  • I really wish they would listen to the fans cry for change. I dint want to settle for another crappy year with a mediocre coaching staff. We need coaches who come from winning organizations. Why do they insist on interviewing losers...

  • Aaaahhhh Jeff.....I agree with you.We have football fools running this team.Unfortunately they see the wall straight ahead and they aren't hitting the brakes.The are going to crash and crash hard.

  • what about Ron Riveria for head coach....

  • Although I like the concept Sdwat, Plank is just getting his coaching chops wet. Lovie's not going to bring a second year assistant DB coach to "take over" the D. I would take Herm Edwards if he's willing to come back to the field. The sad thing is Herm is Lovie's boy and probably wouldn't be willing to help out his buddy knowing the sad state of affairs in the Chi.

  • The ownership is not going to release Smith, period. They don't want to win, just to keep the income coming in. They are not a football oriented group. They are a joke and the team will continue to be mediocre as it has been all these years until ownership changes.

  • Thanks for this post, Jeff. Not that it will happen, but the organization needs to know how the fans feel. No matter how they spin it, whoever the OC and DC are will be seen as people they settled on because they couldn't get who they wanted (though the SunTimes is now reporting Fewell is undecided.)

    But the bottom line is - as you said - they kept the HC and GM despite admitting serious problems on both sides of the ball. Problems that required (in their words) sugnificant changes.

    Hiring Meathead Tice is not going down in Bears annals as a significant change.

  • Jensen is reporting that Fewell hasn't turned the Bears down.

  • Bargaining power. I'd do the same thing if I were him.

  • Hire a offensive of defensive co-ordinator that can be promoted to interim head coach after the Bears start 0-3 next year. Someone like Jim Harbaugh would be perfect if this organization could blow enough smoke up his skirt.

  • What about Ditka for a 1 year OC spot?

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Da Bears. Ditka needs to be the new GM. Unfortunately I don't think the McC's would go there.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    No thanks. Not unless Ditka comes with the likes of Payton, Covert, Bortz, Hilgenberg, Thayer, and Van Horne. And so long as Cutler ignores Dikta's calls whenever he thinks it necessary.

  • Oh and I like the idea of Plank for the 1 year least he may fire up the defense. Everyone remembers the "Hitmen".

  • fuuuuuuck... (that's said as a sigh, not a scream).

    You know, I have not followed the careers of all of the defensive and offensive coordinators and position coaches in the NFL. I don't know if it really sucks that Fewell may go to the Giants or if its a blessing. I don't know if there's some coach on one of the remaining playoff teams that would be perfect for the job and worth waiting for. I do know that there's almost no chance Lovie gets fired before next season.

  • It is gettin ugly for dem dere Bears.

    Tice would be good for a couple of things, O-line, he has produced success there, but I don't know about OC; maybe he could do both jobs and he would be desperate enough to take a one year position.

    Fewell I would really think is going to NY. I mean if he came here as DC and things go in the tank and say we end up 2-6 by mid-season... Lovie gets the boot and he may be stuck in exactly the same position he is in now. Why risk that when the Giants have a much more secure position and more talent on their D.

    We are going to be screwed here having to hire from college trash heaps, maybe Al Groh is available, I dunno this is awful.

  • Oooo let's go get Mike Brown for DC, he will probably be looking for work.

  • not to mention, how could you bring in a guy who the 46 defense was named after and force the cover who down his throat?

  • To hell with Ditka at OC...why not make him the HC?

    It's just a fun pipe dream, but that would be something...

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Ghost, why not? He saved this org. once already. . He can do it again. Why not bring him in as GM? Seriously. It makes total sense, I guess that's why it won't happen.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    "DIIIIITTTTKKKKKAAAA"...the mating call of the meathead.

    The guy was an egomaniac who took a team that should have won 2-3 Super Bowls and destroyed it. Then he destroyed the Saints. He is, by far, the single most overrated sports personality in the history of Chicago.

  • In reply to FiveOutsToGo:

    Cannot say I disagree whatsoever with your assessment of Ditka.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Well, okay, I was too hasty. I would not say he "destroyed" the Bears, but he certainly SHOULD have won a couple more Bowls with that team.

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    The question I can

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Happy (Belated) Birthday Jefe, hope you had fun celebrating last night.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Lovie has ran out of more lifelines in the football coaching world. Oh yeah and coaches coming in want some security. Who doesn't?

    Remember in the press conference Lovie and Phillips told us coaches think in 1 year terms....and we won't have trouble finding coaches.'s that panning out.

    We may be going for coaches whose team's are in the playoffs now...maybe we don't want to reveal our hand but at this point I think the Bears organization needs to throw us a bone. Cause the current news on who we fill at the coordinator spots is just depressing.

    I would love to see the numbers on revenue and profit from each team in the NFL, how much is spent on what, and how we compare with other teams.

    We seem to be a mix of the Bills, Bengals and Raiders. I always knew we were cheap.

  • In reply to jeungru13:

    I believe (I could be wrong) that NFL teams are for the most part privately owned (even GB when looking at it from this standpoint), so I doubt they publish all of their numbers (10k).

    But you can find some info out there. You have to work Google a little, but some high level numbers can be unearthed. I found a couple interesting articles a few weeks ago that I was going to share with you guys about this very subject, but the pieces put me to sleep by the 5th paragraph so I decided not to torture you too. Basically, Jerra Jones is the NFL

  • In reply to jeungru13:

    Some historic things have happened that will never allow the Bears ownership to ever get away with the shenanigans they have played in the past. Bringing in Cutler ensures that we will never see another revolving door of QB's. The media actually talking about the mediocrity of the management is actually unprecedented i think. Back in the day if you weren't a total kiss ass like Larry Meyer the team could blackball you and you'd never get another story in Chicago. The whole era of blogging and pseudo-bears reporting has resulted in criticism the likes of which we've never seen. This absolute shit show of a coaching debacle will even make it easier to make changes in the future. The one drawback...and it's a big that a desperate culture of one and done might start which would pretty much kill any chance of productive seasons with fans that don't boo every time we run a play and don't score a touchdown. pussy management, pussy fans...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Bears fans had to put up with such tools as Neil Armstrong and Jack Pardee. And Waffle is right, access was a boys club and it was closed. No more. The Internet and blogs have changed everything. But even more that the democratization of the press is Dish TV and the NFL package.

    We expect wins, and losing teams immediately see drop off in revenue. I could just decide next year to become a Cards fan, which is crazy to contemplate in the Ditka era. I can watch all the games, and use the internet to get local radio. My cellphone allows me to dial into Arizona talk radio with no long distance charges.

    We are Bears fans because the team plays in a place where we either live, or used to live. A handful of people here maybe never lived in Chicago, they just like the Bears. We can ALL easily become fans of another team.

  • In reply to jeungru13:

    and don't forget Jersey...what a tool.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I have a question. Basically a lot of folks are saying the Bears are having a hard time luring coaches because of job security. Are we just offering them one year contracts? If not, what's the big deal? Fuck, if somebody offers me a contract for 3 years, guaranteed, I'd take it even if there was a chance that I'd get let go after year one. Easy money.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    It's more than money - jdawg. The OC and DC basically have one year to prove themselves. If they fail, will other teams say "well, they only had one year, Lovie was a lame duck, etc."? Maybe not - all these guys would have to go on is their stats from that one year, which may be horrible.

    Sure - they get a couple of years of money, but I don't think they positioned themselves to be an OC/DC just for the money. They want to succeed and possibly move up someday.

    Taking the Bears job coudl be one step forward followed by two steps back.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I think McCaskeys despise Mike Ditka. There's that old story about Ditka giving Mike McCaskey swirlies or some damn thing back in the 60s when he was a ball boy and Ditka was a HoF Tight End. Ditka also rode the wave of victory in the 80s, while McCaskey sat on the sidelines pouting.

    I would love for Mike Ditka to become involved in this organization...I don't think he's a good enough talent evaluator to be a General Manager, however.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    He drafted Ricky Williams...uh, maybe you're right.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Lot of good stuff in there. Some dudes on the verge of too old (33/34) because we need young upstarts to build on, but lot of potential out there.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I know we have some Rex haters out there, but I definitely liked the quip in here about "under a true offensive mind" - lol. I'm *so* glad Turner is gone.

    "Rex Grossman, QB
    Two words, when it comes to finding a front-line NFL quarterback in 2010: Draft well. OK, maybe that's a bit harsh on Grossman, who probably is the second-best free-agent QB on the market. But this is not a typo: He could be a real gem. He was often-criticized in Chicago, but did lead the Bears to a Super Bowl. And under a true offensive mind in Houston, Grossman has drawn raves from coaches and teammates. The Texans probably regret giving Dan Orlovsky a three-year deal last offseason, instead of Grossman."

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    can you say new prospect:

    Wonder if we'll whiff on this one too.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    IF he comes back that is.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Hot off the presses, we just lost Fewell:

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What coach in their mind would want to take a job with the bears? Lovie Smith is living on borrowed time & any coach hired quite possibly is just a 1 year rental.

    I think its pretty obvious that drastic changes need to be made for the bears. That includes players, coaches, & upper management. Are the bears really that cheap that they would keep things the way they are to save a buck? Are they really that gun shy or inept to build a winner?

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:


    Go fuck yourself, you Fudge Packer.

    Everyone who matters

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Shit man, get a fucking grip!

    What a miserable piece of shit you are. Did my post really deserve such a reply? I concede that some of my posts do deserve some nasty replies, but this one?

    Isn't it nice that Jimmy Mac was able to go out as a champ with the Pack!

    Maybe the Pack can take Urlacher, Harris, or Tillman off your hands, so they can too go out on top, instead of letting them rot on such a putrid team. God only knows that they are wasting away right now...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Oh yea... One more thing...

    If you really think that you fit in the " Everyone that matters " category then you are the exact definition of delusional. You're a lost cause right now, & all I can say is... May god help your soul...

    GO PACK GO!!!

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    He meant 'us' ... those that read this blog ... so please .... pretty please ... with sugar on top ... go fuck yourself you snot-colored fudge-packer ...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    No that post didn't deserve that response. Like Clint says in Unforgiven, "Deserves got nothing to do with it". You're trolling on a Bears board, usually you're being a shit disturber, rubbing our noses in it. What do you expect? If I went on a FudgePackers board I would expect nothing less. That's exactly why I wouldn't. What's the fucking point! In answer to your question, of course the Bears are that cheap.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    First of all... I get kick out of the whole troll thing. Aren't we all trolls in a sense? I admit that I " troll " from time to time on here, but my last post was NOT in any sense " troll " -like.

    You guys are COMPLETELY unable to have any bit of a debate with someone who sees things differently from you or isn't a bear fan.

    Actually all the loud mouth ignorance on here is what keeps me coming back. I can just tell how angry & unstable some of you are when you reply to me, & its laughable to say the least.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Dear Lovie, please consider going to Tennessee to take their head coaching position. Talk about a win-win. It would keep you from getting fired by the Bears and ending your coaching career for the foreseeable future and it would let us have a bright future instead of a lame duck year. By going to Tennessee you still get paid by the Bears, get paid by Tennessee, and have a shot at staying relevant as head of a major program. Maybe you can come back to the NFL in a few years. At least consider it as you stare up at the jumbotron looking to see which cup the ball is under at halftime.


    The entire Chicago Bears fanbase

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    God damn, what a cocksucker.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Man is that funny... Such a vague post, but yet so informative on how you really feel...

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    What was vague about it? I think you are a god damned cocksucker, sir. I respect the Green Bay Packers much more than I respect you for trolling onto this blog where you and your Packer bullshit is unwelcome.

    Here's a Packers blog for you to enjoy.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Cocksucker is the opposite of vague. You gobbling down a purple throbbing love-vein is pretty specific ... if you were a sexual position, Da Coach's mustache would probably say you were a fatal auto-erotic asphxyiation.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Max is the original purple people eater.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Good God, don't feed the damn trolls!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Trolls normally inhabit places where they are fed. Avoid that, and they invariably disappear.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    "..angry and unstable..." said the pot to the kettle.

    Game, set match to Doc Nitty 34.

    Good thing those were just blog posts and not gunshots you traded,
    Mad Max, otherwise you'd be another stiff on the way to the morgue.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Albert, Toe the line, son. Keep living in fantasy land & rehashing old western movies into your posts. Got bias?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    "He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get to the Super Bowl!

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    The kind of shit that makes me shake my head REALLY don't know W T F they're doing........

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    What's the difference between Lovie Smith and a duck?

    The duck is smart enough to know when it's time to fly south.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:


  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    traditionally in coaching season several candidates interviews for a job they are interested in and then team management deliberates over which candidate they like most and make a decision accordingly. That's pretty much how it works for every team.

    Except the Bears.

    The Bears have to try to somehow attract coaching candidates who even want to interview, and then the CANDIDATES CHOOSE, NOT THE BEARS. Sad.

  • Wow, so a guy who probably will suck hard doesn't want to come here, and that's bad news. I was half hoping Beli-cheat would get fired and Phillips would can the lot of them to get him since he's probably the only coach that bean-counter has ever heard of.

  • Yea probably not..Please spare me the PATHETIC entitlement routine. The reality of it is.. I have just as much right to post here as you, & if you can't handle that then... All I can offer to you is this... GROW THE FUCK UP, & realize that the world doesn't cater to just you.. even if this site is dedicated to the bears. I will drop in from time to time.. so get used to it.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    More than welcome Max. The occasional snot to wipe on our hankies ...

  • So you're saying that you need to feel accepted on an internet board? Life must be rough for you, eh?

  • sdwat52. Crown. Wake up. Dougie Plank coaches DB's with the NY Jets. Not the Falcons. Kicking ass Rex Ryan style. Currently, he's developing a super JET player in Revis. Bears will never get him #46. Too logical. Why would they want to have an ex Bear player run the club. Waffler..Lovie wants you to put a fine shammy shine on those golf shoes..chop chop you pc loser.

  • In reply to tkfay:

    Way to put the Jets coaching roster up old man rascist. If you had a third grade reading comprehension level, you would have picked up on the fact that I said your Dougie is an asst DB coach. I never said what team he's coaching for needle dick. It's not that the Bears wouldn't want him on their staff at some point, he's just not a legitimate DC candidate w/ 2 years of coaching experience.

    I don't know why you don't like black people, but you're the one that needs to wake up and leave your personal garbage off this site. You should hold on to your Dougie Planks, Ditkas, and Butkisses because the NFL has evolved if you haven't noticed. You probably sit at home on Sundays shaking your head saying, "They don't make em like they used to. What happened to all the white guys?" Wake up Wally Cleaves, black players dominate this game. They are stronger, faster, jump higher, and comprise 90 plus percent of coaches anad players. If you don't like it, make the switch to hockey.

  • In reply to tkfay:

    My first memory of the Bears is going to Soldier Field with my dad, in some fucking freezing weather. The Bears were playing the St. Louis Cards. Bob Avellini was QB.

    He did something good, I think maybe they scored. I was 5 or 6. The fans, drunk, were screaming and booing loudly. I didn't understand. We scored, right?

    "Bob, you still fucking suck, you motherfucker!", they yelled. I was made to understand: Chicago is a tough town. I remember having Deja Vu when sexy Rexy would get booed after he did something GOOD. It was shades of Avellini all over again. "We still hate you!" they yelled at Rex. Rex never looked into the stands.

    I understand that Chicago demands a winner. We are not content to be Buffalo or Oakland. We feel on par with New York. It pisses us off that the Giants have been a far more successful team than the Bears over the course of the last 30 years.

    I teach my son to be a Bears fan. I brought him to games, and now he's heard the drunk screaming fans calling Lovie a douchebag. I am a Chicagoan, I am a Bears fan.

    But it's worse than having owned several Camaros. You just can't stand General Motors, because they are such fuck ups, but you still buy the cars when they come out. First a 1970. Then a 82. then a 92. Then a 98. Now I'm saving for a 2010 2SS/RS. You like the car, but you hate the ownership and the stealer dealers. That's us an the Bears. We face palm every time we hear the word McCaskey. It's an ass clown show, and everybody who knows football knows it. We're down there with the DeBartalo fiasco in San Fran, and Wayne Weaver and the Jags. The teams everybody makes fun of, because we're so fucking stupid and poorly run. Nobody is as bad as Al Davis and Oakland, that is the dogshit measuring stick.

    It is pathetic that we are the 2nd worst run team in the NFC North. Thank God for Matt Millen, destroyer of worlds.

    Now we get evidence every other day of our stupidity. Nobody worth a damn wants to be in the same room with Lovie Smith. Lovie should go to Tennessee. Wanny went to Pitt, and that moron is still there. Lovie, if you go they'll keep you no matter how many times you fuck up. And Lovie, there are no challenge flags, so you won't seem such a moron so often, think of that.

    After next year's 7-9, we'll all be oddly happy about the lockout.

  • Holy shit... You almost gave me chest grabber there... A bear fan? PLEASE! Funny stuff!

  • Do you really think I give a flying fuck what you irrelevant people think of me?

    Get over yourself.. & a word from the wise... If you're looking for friends on the internet then... Yea, you might want to take a LONG hard look at your life... Get back to me & let me know how your internet friend making goes. DAMN is that shit funny!!!

    You won't win.. so for your sake.. don't engage me unless you plan on losing.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    If we're irelevant, wtf are you doing here then ?

  • Well done Doc. I already tried the civilized approach to no avail. Just ignore it and maybe it will get board and go away.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    sorry, bored.

  • " In the future, if we think you're trying to have an intelligent debate, maybe we'll hear ya out. You should try it sometime "

    I already tried that & majority of the bears blog community proved they were incapable of that...

    Oh yea.. MB30SD.. You're as credible as Bernie Madoff.. so GTFO with that bullshit.

  • Should I bend over for you too? Should I have sugarcoated it for you? Sorry that the truth hurts.

    I would walk into a bears bar & do that, but whether I would be able walk out is another story...but I'm a big guy so I could handle my own.

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    Oh yea.. Take it slow? I didn't know this was a dating site. I guess I mistook this for a football site. My bad.

    Signed, The antagonist

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:

    I really don't think you're a big guy...big guys don't say that. I personally think you are big...a big pussy. A big pussy hiding behind a keyboard and acting like a child. Please take your childish shit elsewhere and let the men talk.

  • In reply to SpawnOfDitka:

    Yea you're right 6'4'' 250 is little...

    .. & yes I would say all of this to your face, so spare the " men talk "

  • In reply to MadMaxRockatansky:


    I'd fuck your world up.


  • Who said I was looking for enemies?

    I guess if you feel the need to find friends on the net, have at it.. I guess to each their own...

  • Dude, get a job where you can just scan the net all day for stuff on the Bears and all things nice ...

  • Yeah, that was Windy City Packer Fan, he really pissed me off because he was a PAck fan, but not an asshole. Haven't seen that much before or since, much easier to deal with them when they're assholes as this Max guy is demonstrating. Windy was famous for his "You fired the wrong Ron" line. I used to reply no we didn't fire enough Rons, but in retrospect he was probably right.

  • gpldan, PLEASE, I JUST had my breakfast and you dredge up THE AVELLINI YEARS? Where's the Pepto?

  • Good point, gpldan. If there has to be a lockout, might as well be in a year the Bears aren't in the hunt INSTEAD of like Baseball in 1994 when the Sox were leading their division with the Big Hurt, Robin Ventura and"Blck Jack" McDowell in the prime of their careers.

  • i think my biggest head scratcher with Rockcandy is that the Pack was 1 and done this year...again. I would hardly call Green Bay such a marvelous powerhouse. Green Bay has had the same struggles as the Bears, poor coaching, poor management, bad luck at times, great performance at other times. I don't understand how a Green Bay fan could voice his opinions as if the Green Bay Packers have somehow transcended all of the issues that the Bears face. It doesn't make sense. The Pack haven't performed to the level that would allow anyone to come on here and act like they are the Patriots. Also, even if they were consistently a top caliber team, why would a guy want to come to another teams blog to talk shit, politely or otherwise? An overbearing name for an overbearing guy, who talks about his overbearing physique...which he has mentioned multiple times on this blog by the way. Okay Rock, we get it, you're a big guy. Which makes you even more of a fucking tool.

  • Look, nothing will happen. Can you please name a time when the Bears hired a previous HEAD COACH to become the new Head Coach? Bears are too cheap. Angelo still believes in the nucleus of this team. Whit that mindset, its disaster. Lovie is staying. Face it.

  • Like the back and forth with El Douche Rockatansky. Pretty sure the only reason why he comes in here is because of all of the activity. The majority of packer fan's have yet to master the computer so he comes in here where we have one of the livliest blogs in football. I'm going to be in WI this weekend Skiing, where do you live Max? I'll be at Devils Head resort on Saturday. I'll be the one with the steller mustache. I have a sneaking suspision that you are little skinny inbred cheese loving pillow biter.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    If Max was a sexual act, he'd be a Tossed Salad.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Of course, you could slum down here with us and use profanity. I just don't have the energy anymore to debate with other fans...why? Because there's no middle ground. They love their team, I love mine...there's nothing to debate...

    They will continue to mangle my team no matter what logic is placed before them, so my only resolve is simply to tell him to fuck off.

  • In reply to MASOCHR: enormous cock-shaped pillah.

    Totally Mustache. No one would say something that douchey if it were actually true. So he's either a 110lb band geek living out his wildest football fantasies here, or he actually is a fatass inbred meathead who really is that insecure

  • In reply to MASOCHR:


    I have researched your "Head Coaching Experience" question (pro-football and, not including the times George Halas re-hired himself after WWII service and a brief hiatus in the mid 1950s, the answer is Hall-Of-Famer, Paddy Driscoll, in 1956 who previously coached the Chicago Cardinals. In 1922!

    Furthermore, he's not only the LAST time, he's the ONLY time.

    So, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the NEXT time.

  • Doc, I don't see where an apology, on your part, is at all necessary.

    Mad Max threw you a batting practice fastball and you launched it into the cheap seats.

    You explained the facts of life to him, calmly, rationally and SANS PROFANITY.

    The moral high ground is yours.

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