Audibles From the Long Snapper

The Case Against Jeremy Bates

David Haugh makes the case that the Bears can not afford to put someone as unproven as Jeremy Bates in charge of the offense.  And while I understand it is a calculated risk, at some point every coach on earth becomes something for the first time.  Referring to him as a "football Doogie Howser" - while obviously moronic - is also incorrect.  Bates has done everything right, working his way up through the coaching ladder in a nearly decade-long career.  His hiring would make Jay Cutler a more comfortable quarterback.  That makes it a sound hire.  (Side note: Using Mike Martz as an example of a stabilizing force is a sure fire way to drain all credibility from a football column, David.)

The Case for Perry Fewell
While it questionable whether Nathan Vasher will be on the roster in 2010, his possible resurgence might be one of the major reasons to bring PF into the mix:

More important, Fewell coached the Bears' secondary when it was an elite unit. In 2005, the Bears led the NFC with 24 interceptions, and all four starting defensive backs had standout seasons, including cornerback Nathan Vasher.


That season, Vasher set career highs in interceptions (eight) and passes defended (eight). His play declined in 2006, and he has started only nine games in the last two seasons.


It is unclear if the Bears will keep Vasher, who is set to make nearly $3million and has a salary-cap number close to $5 million. It's not lost on the team's brass, though, that Vasher's best season was under Fewell's guidance.

I have followed his career in Buffalo pretty closely and he might just be the perfect combination for the Bears.  He's a believer in the basic system while emphasizing pressure and aggressive corner play.  He's also the antithesis of Lovie's calm sideline demeanor.


My Final Thoughts on Ron Turner
Most of you know that I always liked Ron Turner.  A few things infuriated me.  I hated the fullback dive.  I hated the bubble screen.  I hated the uninventive dive plays on second-and-long.  But ultimately I think Ron Turner was a victim of circumstance.  If Lovie's defense stops the Texans at the end of last year or doesn't allow the Falcons to win the most ludicrous game of all time, Turner is still employed here.  If Jay Cutler doesn't throw terrible interceptions at San Francisco or Green Bay this year, Turner is still employed here.  Turner didn't choose to enter this season without a proven commodity at wide receiver or a good offensive line.  And even with those flaws, the quarterback threw for 3700 yards.  Turner got fired because fans always know the name of the guy calling the plays.  And when the plays don't work, it must be that guy's fault.  In 2009, I just don't blame Ron Turner.  And I hope he's successful in his next gig.  

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  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    damn it Stache..I still have never been first..I guess timing is everything. !@#$!@$#!@$#

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    If you ain't first Lobo ...

  • I get a kick about all of the recent stories written about the possible resurgence of ineffective players such as Mark Anderson and Nathan Vasher, etc...

  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    #1. Lovie had to stay because the front office refused to eat 10 Million large, period.

    #2. Turner had to go because there was no way in hell his offense was going to be able to put up 30+ points every week to cover Lovie's ass.

    #3. Lets hope that whoever the Bears hire, the offense will be able to put up 30 plus points every week because that's what its going to take to have a winning season next year.

  • In reply to MatthewIsMyForte:

    Agressive corner play sounds nice since our corners have been playing 10 yards of the ball since I can remember. But, I doubt Fewell can bring Vasher back to life. I also doubt Vasher is on the roster next year. He seemed to be in the right place at the right time on a defense that was getting good pressure on the QB which caused many errant throws. If your gonna be a good small corner, you at least have to have speed and react to the ball quickly. Vasher seems to have lost his quickness in dramatic fashion; everytime he was in this year he couldn't catch up to recievers that had beaten him.

    I like Bates, but Lovie knows his balls are on the chopping block and I doubt he puts his head coaching career on the line for a guy he's never worked with just because he's Cutler's buddy. Hiring him as OC puts even more pressure on Cutty to perform well, something Lovie is likely hesistant of. We all know Lovie is a stubborn fucker and believes in his scheme and the people he has worked with in the past. The more I think about it, the more I think Martz will get the gig. I'd still love Bates's emotional nature on the sidelines, and if the guy really wants to work with Jay, maybe he would settle for the QB coaching job.

    I think 1982bearsfan brought up a concern that I have as well; that Martz's spread offense might not work in Bears weather. He would have to change it up a bit. I still think he will be the guy picked.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Crown, if Martz was the guy we would know it already don't you think? There are a couple of reasons the matter isn't settled yet.

    A. Either they can't find a qualified candidate or B. they are waiting for other candidates they want to interview that are in the playoffs.

    Lets hope for B.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Not necessarily Mike V. Supposedly, Marinelli and Martz had beef in Detroit. Maybe Lovie is giving Rod some time to sit and accept the idea out of respect for Rod so that they can be one happy family. Martz obviously wants the job and waiting a couple more days won't change that. That's what I'm thinking.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Interesting tidbit of the day: The Seattle Seahawks fired Jim Mora after ONE SEASON in which he accomplished a 5-11 record.

    A bit too soon for my taste, but at least Seahawks management has the onions to make those tough decisions.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    to add to this, the 'Hawks are lookin' at Pete Carroll to replace him (and Carroll wants to take Bates w/ him as the OC). fuck me in the beard fellas.

    also, what's Mora Jr's philosophy? could he be in the talks for the new DC?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Yes, I take back what I said about Seahawks management. Pete Carroll? Seriously, boys? Legendary college coach...pretty piss poor NFL coach.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Yes, but Carroll has a 25 year old USC coed for a girlfriend, who is smoking hot.

    So... you know... he does know his poontang.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    But also, just because Florio says it does not make it true. Pete Carroll would take Jeremy Bates with him...but what if Mr. Bates does not wish to go to Seattle? What if Bates wants to be the guy to turn Jay Cutler back into a Pro Bowl (and hopefully Super Bowl) calibre QB?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Ghost, you mean to tell me that you don't TRUST
    Mr.Mike "I just MADE UP that item about Randy Moss wanting out of New England" Florio?

    Go figure.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    again: how about Jim Mora Jr. as the DC for the team? can we discuss this?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    FQD...I think the real question would be, Could LDL take him as the DC for this organization? and not want to FU!$#! him over. Trying to place his grasp of the COVER WHO on Mora Jr.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Jeff, good write up but I must disagree with your assessment of Ron Turner. I didn't hate him because I though he was a bad person or even a very bad coach. As state above he was a mediocre coach at best. Why I hate Ron Turner? one word people.

    PREDICTABLE. I could tell you 90% of the time what that sack of steamy poo would call every down, especially in the red zone. I'm for one am damn happy he is gone. I only wish I got all my Christmas wishes from Santa this year...namely the firing of Lovie Smith. He's not a bag of poo...he's just the bag...and empty washed out bag with NOTHING inside.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    I's have to disagree there B4E ... if Turner was the empty washed out bag that originally contained the poo, then in his existence as a bag, he would still be considered useful as a vessel - perhaps to carry water from an artesian well in the Sudan to a poor villager's house. I'd contend that he's just a few handfuls of poo, laced with prussic acid, so that he's not even useful as manure, or a as a home for the dung beetle. Ron Turner has finally gotten to endless night, thanks be to Jebus .... have an Xbox live event to find an OC - we'll automatically be better off next year. Hire a blind, necrotic dog ... and we've improved ...

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Another name for OC that's being reported is the QB coach for the Pack. Assuming he is on good terms with McCarthy, doesn't it strike you odd that a guy woudl coach against his former head coach twice a year? I know it happened with Mangini and Belicek, but they were not on good terms with each other. I just can't see it happening.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I find it hard to see why Pete Carroll would leave the fiefdom he's created for himself at USC...

    UNLESS, of course,

    the tempurature on the simmering Reggie Bush situation, which just refuses to go away, gets turned up to BARBEQUE and the NCAA (Nazi Collegiate Asshole Assciation) decides to drop the hammer on one of their sacred cash-cow programs.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    God damn right on the NCAA, Al!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I second that regarding the NCAA.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Maybe his 25 year old USC student girlfriend is preggers.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    For the Cover 2 to work it needs strength up the middle: DT (3 technique), Mike and FS. IF Harris is indeed in 2010 the player he was against the Vikes that's one down. IF 54 can come back in shape that's 2 down. The 900 lb. gorilla in the room is the FS. These guys don't grow on trees and we don't have one.

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    The football world is in a tizzy this morning. Pete Carroll has apparently agreed to coach the Seattle Seahawks. Football analysts in both the pros and college are saying that a top candidate for the USC job is [drumroll please] Jeff Fisher... That's a pretty wierd deduction, but it's what I have come to expect from the mainstream media...in politics, sports, hell even the weather! Can't rely on those sons of bitches for anything!

  • In reply to TheFifth:

    Kentucky,

    Definitely agree there

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bill Simmons was wondering if Caroll rumors (which turned out to be true) might be because of a possible payoff scandal and/or the Reggie Bush thing not going away.

    (The USC basketball team was suspended from tournie play this year.)

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    RT should have been canned after 07, I don't care if he was ok in 08 and 09, which I don't think he was.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    The original word on the street was that USC had to lay the smack down because of what happened with thier programs...The basketball program is not allowed to compete in post season play this year, and Albert I think you nailed it. Its only a matter of time until the football program gets smacked in the face. My guess is Carroll wants out before the shit hits the fan...

  • In reply to Dmband:

    He hits more USC poon than Jon Gosslein.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Ghost, the Packers once fired Ray Rhodes after one year when they went 8-8. Thought it was overly harsh at the time, but now I think, you know what, demand excellence. Why accept 8-8? They don't, and that's why they're winning again. After a bad year, they changed defensive schemes, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them advance in this year's playoffs. I hate it, but I have to admit I would freakin love to see them knock the Queens out of the playoffs. At this point, I hate the Vikes more.
    On another note, is it just me, or did anyone else seem to see a major change in Cutler's demeanor during that crazy win over the Viqueens? Cutler congratulated linemen, talked to players and coaches on the sideline, came onto the field to congratulate players as they came off, tapped the injured wide receiver's foot as they rolled him out on the cart, etc. He seemed more engaged as a Chicago Bear and more in tune with his teammates. Not coincidentally, he threw 8 TDs and 1 pick in that game and the next. Don't know what happened, but I like it, and it needs to continue next season if this team is going to do anything positive.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    Jeff.... Nice that you brought this post up..on the previous thread I suggested those who cannot, usually sit on the sidelines (or press box)and write about it. It's not about who they stroke but more about them stroking themselves. I think this article proves that.

    As for both of the possiblities you have shown in you threads the good and the bad with each..well even keeled..

    I donot know who previously placed both maybe screemers..LOVE IT!!! We need passion! No holds bar! Fire and Brimstone!!
    Again bring both on..New labels for them:

    "The Hickory Stick"

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    I think you give Ron Turner too much leway. If he were still here, we'd still be screaming at Halas Hall to can his sorry ass. Perhaps he is a victim of circumstance...but that's a moot point. The fact of the matter was that the guy was a mediocre/bad coach, both when he was at Illinois and with the Bears.

    We all remember the infamous play-calling of Super Bowl XLI, do we not?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Most certainly with you here Ghost.

    No pardon for Mr. Turner! Guilty as charged.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Another point - Turner is getting sympathy because we all know the problems run deeper (and highr up) than him, and yet the Bears set him up as essentially being the only reason. As if the defense was just fine. As if firing Turner but not the D staff somehow "proves" that the all the D needs is a full time coordinator.

    Since that's obvious BS, I feel bad for Turner too.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I can't believe Carol would want out of his current situation. Why would anyone for Jebus sake? There

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    MB...nice on the second paragraph with unity.. I find it odd with LDL and his stand offish attitude. one word ASSMUNCH..I have looked back at tape and video he is never engaging with his players, I mean nada..zip..bupkis.. neither aggressive or passive LDL..but yet the players say the want him to stay..WHOO!!! Are they pumping in some good stuff in the ventalation system in Halas Hall? COMA comes to mind when I think of the emotion that this team creates.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Yep Lobo. A few threads ago I likened a job situation to lovie's relationship with the players. They get paid well, get richly rewarded with ling term contracts after short bursts of 'okness' (far from greatness), and are pampered with easy camp and practices and great facilities!!??!?!

    That's not football, that's a fucking country club for christo sake. None of these slackers want an asskicker to come in and push them to win, because winning is haaaarddddd. Just pathetic. I just hope cowher (or someone similar) comes in and busts some ass at some point in the near future.

    I do think that the media, nfl universe, and fans are now wise to the McC

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    BTW, can you be any more wishy washy than TP here: http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6477

    The guy just screams, 'I'm a gutless weasel'. Yuck.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    WTF...HH..It's like watching a chick flic..pass the tissue HH..Are you crying? Are you crying? Theres no crying in(Baseball) Football.. I know I changed the line but you know what I'm saying!! HH heres a suggestion... Shut The Cakehole and you and Gaines get in the FU@!#@#$ING Weight Room and do something other than spanking your monkey's!!!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Good or bad, Turner was a scapegoat...it's as simple as that. I don't see how the defense and the personnel department got a complete pass, but that's the way our Bears operate.

    Clements as OC would be desirable in a number of ways. He was a successful coordinator with the Bills in similar (or worse) weather conditions, he is familiar with the NFC and the North in particular, and it would mess with the FudgePackers' well being to see a coach that is reportedly liked/respected by Aaron Rodgers leave and go to their arch rival. I don't think he would have any problem coaching against his 'bud' McCarthy a couple of times a year...these guys thrive on that stuff!!

  • In reply to SpawnOfDitka:

    Well blaming the defense would make the fingers point at Lovie, and then that whole contract thing comes back into play....so Turner goes. He deserved it anyways, but cutting out a symptom instead of the cause makes the symptom repeat, hence the talk of Martz and Fewell.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    If we are going to continue running the Tampa 2 D, can anyone please tell me why we wouldn't go after Monte Kiffin with a quickness?

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    Because unless his kid gets fired from the Volunteers, he's not going anywhere.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    Have you asked him?

    Because if we don't, we'll never know.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    Tom Clements? this just means that the Packer Defense will almost be pretty much familiar with our offense, Mike Martz doesnt fit our profile but Lovie is all about Friends before Bussiness and Jeremy Bates is a great choice but a long shot. I just think that Lovie is a fuckin retard and will be even more of one for chosen Martz but hey Friends before Bussiness right Lovie? one more year and I wont have to deal with this fucking idiot trying desperately to be considered even a mediocre Head Coach. I hate this fuckin guy!

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    OK so I love the Bears, but why does the Tribune have the Bears on the front page of the website after the season, while the Blackhawks tear it up and are basically ignored? I'm a RED WINGS fan and even I think that's a fucking travesty. Support the team, the rivalry needs to come back!!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I have to agree with Ghost and Bears-4-ever. He was mediocre at best. His predictable play calling and inability to adjust the game plan frustrated the hell out of me.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    report from Adam Schefter form the 4-letter network:

    Clay Matthews will replace Lance Briggs in the Pro Bowl.

    i want to hear the reason for this. if it's b/c he feels the team didn't accomplish anything during the season, then that sends a STRONG message to the locker room. being rewarded for mediocrity will NOT be tolerated. damn.....if only the owners would take this under account.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Clay Matthews is truly his father's son. He will have a career equal to his dad's.

    Chris Long? Not so much. He's only starting on his dad's rep, and his dad was overrated.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Jeff.. Sorry about this but side bar here...

    CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHY THE FU@!$#@!$#K Richard Dent is not in the HAll of Fame yet???? @!$#$@!@!$#!$@ I think this is like the bizzilionth time he has made finals but the keep FU!@#$@!$#Ing him up!! and I see the list and damn he may get cut again! GO DENT!!!!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Apparently his butt cheeks won't fit into Canton, that's what I heard .....

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Bates will be the new oc for the sea chickens. Looks like Mike Martz is coming to the windy city

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Did you read this? Where?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I'm not worried about the offense. If the defense had been AVERAGE this year, EVERYBODY would have kept their coaching jobs. There's a lot of optimism as far as the offense, and we all see that the deficieinces COULD actually be rectified by next season.

    BUT THE DEFENSE. We have ZERO up and coming players (unlike the offense...Cutler, DA, Williams, maybe Hester and Bennett, Knox).
    The defense is AGING, INJURED,SMALL, OR JUST PLAIN CRAZY (Urlacher, injured cornerbacks throughout the year, small D-line gets pushed around, and Tommie Harris is half nuts).

    After beating Minnesota, this same team just barely beat Detroit.

    Unless the team has the best draft in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 6th rounds in the HISTORY of the Bears, those problems are not gonna get fixed...

    ...unless (maybe) the Bears start trading some of their offensive talent (or Urlacher or Harris) for 2nd or 3rd round draft picks or defensive players.

    If this team doesn't get a massive amount of NEW defensive blood soon, next year is gonna be another train wreck: 8-8 maybe.

    (personally I would keep Urlacher...but trade away Harris + offensive talent)

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I will eat toejam spread for a week if Martz comes anywhere near the BEars ... surely Cutler's put both barrels in his back already ... no way he comes to Chi-town after berating Cutler in public.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Side note: If Kahlil Bell had carried the rock as many times as Forte he would have run for 1419 yards using the 5.5 yard average he had this year. Hmmm...

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I actually think it would be funny, and poetic justice, for soft bitch-ass Love Hole to get Fewell and Martz (both animated, alpha dog personalities) as his coordinators. Watching them run rough shod over him and take over the team would be great. By week 5, they walk in to his office together and say, "look dipshit, just stand their on the sideline looking calm and stupid and pretend to ponder things while we do our jobs. and shut the fuck up."

  • In reply to animal:

    That was great.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Oh, and I don't feel badly for Turner. He not only got what he earned, but he got to stay an extra year (at least) in my mind.

    He was predictable and unimaginative and completely inflexible. When the position called for a creative mind to help us deal with deep offensive issues (like a terrible oline), his response was the dive, the trap, and the bubble screen. And when those items didn't pan out, he refused to try anything else, completely disregarding the fact that pretty much every time Cutty rolled out or moved the pocket outside there was a successful outcome. He, like lovie, are the epitome of mediocre

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    With you, Ghost. My final thought on Ron Turner: loser.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    And there you have it coach, probably the biggest single reason we lost the super bowl was Ron Turner. He lucked into the big one and screwed the pooch. has there ever been a worse SB MVP than Peyton Manning ? When your OC is the focal point of hatred, and has achieved nothing other than building ill will, and the QB fucking hates you just as much as everyone else... perhaps it's time for a change.

  • I freely admit that while I am a Bears fan, I am not nearly as knowledgable about most of this stuff as most of you.

    That being said -

    Bates may seem inexperienced, but he gets along with Cutler.
    It seems pretty well known that Turner and Cutler didn't go out for drinks after the game, and I don't think Jay is likely to forget what Martz said about him either. So why bring in another OC that doesn't get along with the Franchise? Don't the Bears have enough issues as it is?

    As for Fewell - I leave that to football minds sharper than mine. The Bills haven't exactly been a powerhouse, but then neither was Detroit and we got Marinelli.

  • Charile Weis is the OC with the cheifs, make freaking decision guys!

  • In reply to LALaw:

    LA, I could be wrong but look to the Bears new hires to come from playoff teams. It makes alot of sense from a PR standpoint as well as a practical one.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    just getting antsy! Don't want good guys to take other jobs because we can't make up our minds!

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    In my mind Turner got fired for very legitimate reasons.

    1. He was THE man in charge of that offense. Even more so this year as any input Smith previously had was most likely absent as he was busy with the defense. Those assistants under him clearly were not all Lovie guys, most of them were probably guys that fit Ron's system.

    2. Going with my point 1 as an assumption it follows that the man that had the most influence over offensive peronelle was Turner himself. I believe it was he that felt limited with Orton, which is why I think the Cutler trade happened. It was he and his assistants who decided who started and who sat. Lovie might have made the final call but who do you think he trusted to give him input? Benson over Jones, I think Turner had a hand in that, as well as with the Grossman Orton competition. I just feel that he was the one evaluating offensive talent and relaying that to Smith and management. Clearly he had not been doing a good job. And I think DA doing so well at the end of the season sealed his fate.

    3. My final thoughts on Ron turner are this I just think back to Apocalypse now. I don't think that Ron's methods were unsound I didn't see any method all. I think he had limited plays he would run and just kind of winged it and it didn't really work out without Devin Hester returning punts/kicks back for TD's and the defense scoring tons of points these last few years.

    I know people wanted Smith gone, but I want hope for next year I don't think firing everyone was the best way to do that. That makes the team a long term rebuilding project. I think we have more talent than that.

  • In reply to Turgul:

    I agree wholeheartedly with your first sentence. But I think it is much easier - Ron Turner is just not very smart.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    For some reason on here it seems that admitting that RT getting fired needed to happen is being viewed as accepting that he was the main problem and therefore be becomes a scapegoat. There was a ton of stuff wrong with the Bears this year. I would have shed no tears for a fired Lovehandles, I would have said he deserved it. But just because he escaped the axe and RT didn't doesn't mean that RT didn't deserve his date with the unemployment office. As far as I'm concerned he got a 2 year stay of execution as it was. Was he the whole problem? No. Was he even the main problem? Probably not. Did he deserve to coordinate this offense another year? Hell no. He's no martyr. He needed to go. I will not remember him fondly and I highly doubt he'll have another high level position anytime soon. I don't wish him well elsewhere. He's incompetently mediocre. He has a good football mind. He makes a great game plan, but he can't adjust when the Defense does, and he sure as hell can't motivate or develop players. That's no NFL OC.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    number1ninja, The Blackhawks have their OWN blog, but it WAS refreshing to see the 'Hawks blank your boys from Hockeytown (no arguement on THAT moniker, BTW) the last 2 times they played! As for the rivalry, I don't believe seats are going empty at the UC lately. The new 'Hawks management has leaped to the forefront of the NHL. It always mystified me that the league allowed Bill Wirtz to sink one of their cornerstone franchises to such a level. Of course, the NHL are the same league that think 2 or 3 games a week on VERSUS is good exposure.

    Too bad there isn't a Rocky Wirtz-type among the McASSkey offspring.

    And I know what you're thinking, number1ninja, so just put that OCTOPUS back in fish tank!

    Regarding, Mike Martz, his former Rams' GM absolutely TRASHED him the other day as a potential OC for Cutler. So that probably means he IS the guy the Bears will sign.

    No Lance Briggs in the pro-Bowl? Good idea, lance and who cares, anyway? I think Briggs is smart. He's been battling back issues the last part of the season anyway.

    The pro-bowl game is a joke anyway and shouldn't even be played. Name the teams, give out the bonuses but spare us the...

    A)Opportunity to get somebody hurt (Ask new England about THAT)
    and
    B)The Flag Football game it has become.

    Speaking of needless games, I remember when the NFL had the PLAYOFF BOWL and would match the runners-up from the Eastern and Western Conferences. Sheesh!Sure, back then I thought it was great, but I was also about 12 years old at the time. The Pro-Bowl should go the way of THAT lame concept.

  • Hear here

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