Audibles From the Long Snapper

I'm flying to Chicago tomorrow morning so the site will be all yours until Monday.  Once again, I wanna invite everybody to join me for a drink at Rossi's on North State Sunday.  I'll be there from about three o'clock on and wearing a traditional Irish cap.

Haugh: Kreutz Should Go   
David makes a compelling and I think correct argument for the Bears unloading Olin Kreutz at the end of the season.  Kreutz has declined exponentially over the past three seasons and his three million dollar price tag is simply too expensive.  If Josh Beekman is the future at the position, the future may begin in 2010.  There was one very interesting tidbit in the piece:

During the Bears' Dec. 13 loss to the Packers, for example, Kreutz was
yelling demonstratively at his quarterback on the way off the field
after one series. According to a sideline witness, Cutler responded in
a way teammates typically do not with Kreutz.

"Why don't you worry about blocking?" Cutler was overheard shouting back.

Makes me like Cutler even more.

Mike Heimerdinger?
What a strange and interesting column by Neil Hayes in the Sun-Times, attempting to peddle Titans offensive coordinator Mike Heimerdinger as the next head coach of the Chicago Bears.  Heimerdinger is a Dekalb native, which might interest the McCaskey family, but I'm just not sure that it will settle the nerves of fans who fear a tremendous amount of organizational instability.  This hire needs to be a man who instills ferocity in his players and projects tremendous control.  With Shanny looking Washington-bound, that guy might just be Bill Cowher.

The New Wanny
Bob LeGere makes the comparison I've been making for weeks: Lovie Smith is Dave Wannstedt.  This quote is the most definitive:

"As I look at our eight losses, three of them were legitimate losses,"
Smith said. "The other five we were right in there, had opportunities.
So to say that we're that far away (from being a playoff team), I
wouldn't necessarily say that." 

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  • I have a hunch we're going to get Jeff Fisher. It's just a feeling I have the last couple of weeks.

  • Don't tease me, Al. He's my favorite coach in the world.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Why is Jeff Fisher your favorite coach? He's a loser.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    You obviously don't know shit about football then.

  • In reply to StarkyLuv:

    I'm pretty sure you "weren't worried" about us beating Arizona and Cincy...so what are your credentials again?
    I'm not a huge Jeff Fisher fan myself, but I'd take him over Heimerdingerschmitzenstreudel. Our braintrust seems hellbent on pissing away a shot at two HOF coaches in one offseason.

  • In reply to StarkyLuv:

    Easy tiger. Many people on this blog and in the general NFL world don't think Fisher is anything remotely special either... feel like backing up your smack with some facts there John Clayton.

  • In reply to StarkyLuv:

    Thanks for your support, Phil, but sorry, I am LMAO on the fact that the HDTV is in your boys' room! LOL! I am surprised you let Santa get away with all 8 reindeer after that move!

  • In reply to StarkyLuv:

    This morning, moments ago on Fox Sports Radio. During a discussion of potential headcoaching and/or GM vacancies:

    Curt Menafee: "Gary Kubiak in Houston and Lovie Smith in Chicago, are they back?"

    Jay Glazer: "Kubiak, yes. Lovie Smith no, and if he goes Jerry Angelo should go too."

    The quotes may not be verbatim, but that is basically what was said. Glazer then went on a mini-rant about "teflon GMs" firing coaches after sticking them with crappy personnel.

    Remember, it was Glazer who scooped the 4-Letter guys (and received all kinds of ridicule from them when he first said it) about Favre definitely be going to Minnesota.

  • In reply to StarkyLuv:

    Oh brother...

    What's more ludicrous?

    Lovie defending a 5-9 record

    or

    Homeland Security Chief (and former Arizona Governor) Janet Napolitano saying "The (airport security) system worked" after that Nigerian wack-o who WAS ON THE TERROIST WATCH LIST was allowed to board a plane carrying an exposive device?! And I don't CARE if she now admits the system failed after a shitstorm of criticism was leveled at her.

    On behalf of the State of Arizona, I apologize for putting this woman in a position to be considered for the post she got paid off with after the election in November.

    And NO, I didn't vote for her when she was here and soft on border security.

    Lovie, you're fired, and take that Napolitano bitch with you when you leave.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I blame the city of Chicago.
    The players can't play, the coaches can't coach and the fans can't take it anymore. Maybe this team can't handle the distractions that come with playing in the city. Maybe it's time to move into the suburbs. Maybe this team is doomed until it does.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Dear Gaines Adams,

    Eat a fucking sandwich. Some leftover Christmas cookies from the Soldier Field catering group. A quart of Egg Nog. Something.

    This is what it has come down to: Hoping Alex Brown can beat the LT to the corner and land on Farve's knee, snapping it like a Christmas goose wishbone, all brittle and old.

    The IOC took our five golden rings, the bears front four are the calling birds, Marinara, Babich and Turner are three french hens, Lovie and Angelo are turtle doves and we'll call the cast on Farve's leg the pear tree.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Quality man! Quali-friggin-teee

  • In reply to gpldan:

    All I can say is that I am sorry I have to watch the Madness Power ans Domination the Vike are gonna put on us tonight. Now that Home field in in play for them, they are gonna lay it on us like a rush street whore who forgot the money. All I can do is Hope hope hope, Damn thats a sad mantra to have as a bear fan. But Damn what else is there. We have absolutley no chance in hell in competing with anyone repeat ANYONE!! We have nothing to choose from. I can honestly say that Cutler (and I like him to a fault)is not all to blame. I am glad that he hasn't shot his mouth off like a flava-flav bedding (YET) We are all in agreement that Lovie (and I like him too) has to go!! But its not gonna get fixed because J.A will not relinquish any front office power. If he does, then Cower is ours!

  • In reply to StarkyLuv:

    Jeff,
    Drink one for me Im gonna drink tonight hopefully enough to pass out till halftime! Well how bout a true daily double would it be for the city of Chicago Bulls Fire delnegro Bears fire Lovie Bear Down!!Thats my new years resolution!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Yeah, Mike, I know. Too bad the "head-up-their-butt" Bears hierarchy is still kidding themselves that they are "close" to being a playoff team.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I am now just starting to realize how deep a hole it is. Oh well, miracles do happen though. Its time for divine intervention I think.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Alas, another losing money-making season for the McCaca's. No we won't go after anybig name coach. For he would wield much power and control over hmm let me think. WINNING!!!. Now we can't have that now. Let keep hope alive on the losing ways!! Hey Jerry Angelo, how bout' trading half the team for lets say a Demacus Russell for 3 first round draft picks till 2013? Hell we dont never start our first rounders anyway. And the second roundewrs we can never sign or they dont start. So lets keep up the tradition of money and YOU being over the fans and winning. I am sure Mr. Payton, and Papa Halas would have wanted that way!! Go after Cower!??Shanahan?!? REALLY ?!? SERIOUSLY?!?! My money is on Zorn comming town like a diabetic Santa!!! Now all the above I truly dont want to see happen. However I have become a realist over the Ideal. Th ownership mimics the same of the Dallas Cowboy Franchise. Yes I said Cowboys on this blog..lol Notice that Dallas hasnt been to a playoff game 10 yrs. Why? Well you know why. Its a sickness called Jerry!! Well we have it in the Cubs and now recently in the Bears! Agree??

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Ultimately, he should go, but Harris and a bunch of other guys should be before him in line. And Olsen needs to sit on the bench until he can block, put Dez back out there and throw to Forte instead.

  • In reply to number1ninja:

    Yup. Dez blocking for us this year would have been a great help, or Kellen Davis. Olsen needs to go and sell cars or something, leaving us well alone. That's why I don't watch college football - punks like him confuse people into thinking they're football players. I can't get his pansy pattercake blocking out of my mind ...

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Jeff, Murph, I have to take issue with both of you regarding Vince Young's impact on the Titans.

    Jeff, if you "watch a lot of Titans' games" then you know that Chris Johnson has been a STUD ALL SEASON LONG, and the Titans STILL managed to start 0-6.

    Murph, YOUR critique of Vince Young is based on his lackluster performance Friday against, arguably, the team playing the best football in the entire NFL at this time. And, oh by the way, it would have been nice for the Titan defense to make an appearance Friday night, too.

    With Kerry Collins at the helm, and Chris Johnson tearing it up on the ground, The Titans stumbled to 0-6. Collins' QB rating was a tepid 65.5 with 6 TD passes, 8 INTs and a substandard yards per attempt of 5.7.

    Young's QB rating is 85.2 with 10 TDs and 6 picks and a 7.4 yards per attempt average. You can't honestly tell me that THAT improvement at the QB position didn't make a major difference during their turnaround.

    Collins went 0-6. Young is 7-2. And remember, it was YOUNG who drove the Titans 90+ Yards to beat the Cardinals as time expired. I watched all of that drive and I GUARANTEE you it ends FAR SHORT of paydirt if Kerry Collins is leading it because Arizona had several sack chances that Collins, who posesses all the mobility of the Hancock Building, never would have escaped. Additionally, Young kept that drive alive with his legs on more than one occassion.

    Feel free to dislike Vince Young, I am no big fan myself and am just defending my position as opposed to nominating Vince Young for Sainthood.
    My point is, he has been a MARKED improvement over the washed-up, Kerry Collins, who was a stationary target and didn't take any better care of the football than Young has.

    Dismissing Young's impact upon the Titans surge to get back in the hunt is unsupportable, Chris Johnson or no, and smacks of a convenient way to excuse my original criticism of Jeff Fisher for being too slow to make a change when it was painfully OBVIOUS Kerry Collins was not the answer.

    As we have discussed, criticised and CONDEMNED on this blog ad infinitum, the Bears are too often guilty of staying with guys who are obviously either not what they once were, or not what they hoped the Bears would be. Like 2 of our favorite targets, Mr. Olin "Been livin' on my rep for years" Kruetz and Mark "I have stunk out loud since my great rookie season" Anderson.

    I like Jeff Fisher. ALWAYS have. Would he be an upgrade over the proven incompetence of the Lovie Smith regime? Damn right.
    But my original criticism is valid:

    "..his (Fisher's) seemingly stubborn reluctance to pull the trigger on the Vince Young for Kerry Collins switch has to give one pause."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Albert, hate to say it but Vince Young is irrelevant. He will never, NEVER, win a Superbowl. Cutler on the other hand can and will with the right coaching and supporting cast around him.(Shottenhiemer,O-line, hint, hint.)

  • My gut tells me Harbaugh. If it were going to be a big named guy, why not bring them asap in order to start evaluating the talent?

  • Legitimate losses, Lovie? What a joke.

    How about a legitimate WIN on Sunday cause I haven't seen ONE yet this year by your ridiculous standards. Ass hat. This is your last chance to avoid solidifying this group as one of the most unwatchable Bears teams of all time. ALL TIME!

    Bears down (one time. please.)

  • Good point, Shady. By Lovie's own definition, the team has one legitimate win. Cleveland.

  • OY!
    Sorry, Lovie, but your PATHETIC "Loss rationalizations" don't turn them into wins. You are 5 and 9 and could just as well be 4-10, or worse, so put a cork in it!

    To my namesake in WI, YES, Al, national reports HAVE said that Bud Adams sticking his nose into the Titans lineup constitutes a breech of contract and provides a possible escape clause for Jeff Fisher, assuming Fisher wants to look elsewhere. However, I have NOT heard anywhere (beyond this blog) that Chi-town would be a possible destination. I HAVE heard that Jerra Steinbrenner, er, Jones, WOULD be interested in Fisher, assuming the Cowboys do their annual playoff "One and done" or miss the post season again.

    Caveat Emptor: I like Fisher too, but, his seemingly stubborn reluctance to pull the trigger on the Vince Young for Kerry Collins switch has to give one pause. Maybe if he makes that change at 0-4 instead of waiting 'til they're O-6 the Titans are still a viable post-season threat instead of also-rans, like the Bears?

    Recommended: One of Santa's helpers added to my growing stock of vintage Bears/NFL highlights with a DVD gift of 1951-1960 Chicago Bears and Chicago Cardinals highlights. 12 sets of game highlights
    Includes rookie receiver Harlon Hill cathing 4 TD passes to upset the 49ers at Kezar, the 4th with only seconds remaining! Plus, the last "All Chicago" Bears-Cardinals game from November, 1959 played at PRE-twice-renovated Soldier Field! A great DVD from RARE SPORTSFILMS in Naperville, Ill.

  • Yes, Jeff, and SINCE that "one legitimate win" Cleveland has outperformed the Bears and it is highly doubtful that the feat could be repeated if they met again this season.

  • I watch a lot of Titans games. They are not winning because of Vince Young, believe me. They have the best player in the sport right now.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Agree. CJ and a great Oline.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    1.4.2010

    Tick Tock, Jerry.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    The problem with coaches like Lovie who overstay their tenure is undue loyalty to older players who can no longer perform.

    This is obvious with Lovie. This is why Lovie is delusional and thought he was still in the playoff race a few weeks ago.

  • In reply to KentuckyBearsFan:

    ...might also explain why he doesn't make ANY adjustments during games or the season.

    /not to mention the Orlando Pace signing.

  • In reply to KentuckyBearsFan:

    Was listening to NFL Network on Sirius today and I heard Gil Brandt say how well the Chargers defense was playing and that Lovie probably wishes Riviera was still in Chicago. After I heard what Gil said I was like, "yeah", and then I realized that Lovie wouldn't really say that because he probably still thinks that there's nothing wrong with our defense.

    Yes, it really is that bad I'm sorry to say.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Gil is the man. He is the best thing about NFL Radio.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    Cut Olin? Screw that. Kreutz is a warrior. He plays hurt, never seems to miss a game, and is always the guy to help out a teammate getting cheap-shotted. If he looks bad this year, maybe it's because he had a player who should be retired (Pace), a player who was starting because of his contract (Omiyale) and a player who was starting due to his draft status (Williams) playing with him. And an offensive coordinator who can't seem to get the RBs to block effectively on passing plays, to my untrained eye.

    If we keep Tommie Harris and cut Olin, the Bears are going to be sending the wrong message to the fans, and more importantly, the team. I can think of many people on the Bears I'd rather see kicked out that door before Olin.

  • In reply to westcoastbear:

    Kreutz sucks. End of story.

  • In reply to westcoastbear:

    And the thing is we (Bears) have some good talent. But the system just sucks!!! Cutler is an outstanding QB(now its not because my GF bought me his Jersey for X-Mas either)But look at Orton having a banner year with his talent. ORTON: Bad talent good system;CUTLER: Good Talent, bad system. Bears have become a team where QB's come to die!

  • In reply to westcoastbear:

    I nearly choked on my banana cake and morning coffee. Kreutz is finished, man. He's a big mouth big on macho - shouting and pointing the finger at everyone else bar himself. He's in charge of that line and calling assignments, and that's the worst line I can remember seeing. The only blocker not on my shit list this year is Garza. How does another player playing badly affect Kreutz' play? Because someone else whiffs a block, Kreutz whiffs one too ? Nah. And what does the OC have to do with how well the RBs block ? He can keep them in there to block, sure, but he can't throw the blocks too. Of all the coaches we could bring in, I'd love to see Joe Bugel. Zone blocking too, tired of seeing linemen stand there blocking nobody when it's obvious who has been missed out on the assignments. Mr. Kreutz ? I'd like to see Tommie next year after more recuperation to see if he really was getting back to himself, he's still relatively young for a lineman - but we really need a guard, center and a tackle out of the top drawer (which we're not getting), so if we could get a high pick for Tommie then so be it ....

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I've been making the same argument on Olin for 2+ years. If you do the research you will see that centers hit a wall right at 32. There are 5 starting centers who are 32. More than any other age. But after that there are only 4 starting centers older than that. To be a starter, especially a highly contributing starter past 32 is an anomaly. Olin is a phenomenal personality. He is the classic hero type player who you love, maybe not to the level of Mike Brown, but close. The Pat Williams "fat slob" interchange was great. I love the attitude on the field. But heroes are human. Humans get older by one every year. And Kreutz is human. His time as a dominant Pro Bowl center is over. He will get no better from here and his decline will only accelerate. Tip a glass in his honor and put a framed picture of him up on the wall in the bar... but don't start him anymore.

  • In reply to Rancid:

    Well said.

  • In reply to Rancid:

    Albert, I have heard mention of Fisher to Chicago about 3 or 4 weeks ago. I believe on NFL Network, but it could have been ESPN. I also know that Dan Hampton (ex-teammate) and Hub Arkush have discussed it on the score 670 in the past too.

  • In reply to Rancid:

    Jeff -

    Put aside your dreams of The Chin.

    Major media is debating if he's going to Carolina or Tampa. The Bears don't even enter the conversation.

    Lovie gets to stay. Babich Patch, Marinara and Wrong Turner are all gone, and the expectation is that you will be appeased by this.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4773962

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Oh yes, let's take ESPN's coverage of the National Football League seriously.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    lol

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Leave a comment...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    I heard that he wouldn't want the Texans job because he was friends with Kubiak.

    If Cowher and Shanahan are suddenly off the market as soon as the offseason begins I don't know what we're going to do. Keep Lovie and get rid of Babich and Turner I guess...

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Mike V., with all due respect, Vince Young is hardly "irrelevant" to the point I was making and I never came close to elevating him to Super Bowl caliber. I said he was a better option than Kerry Collins and one that Fisher should have gone to before slipping to 0-6.
    "He's better than Kerry Collins" is a left-handed endorsement if there ever was one.

    In other news...

    The Vikings now have even MORE incentive to win on Monday night. In addition to staying ahead of Philly for a first round bye, they would also remain in the hunt for the top slot in the NFC, thanks to the Saints inability to dispatch Tampa. At HOME. No less. Also, the Giant, in a very Bears-like 41-9 loss at home today, have now played themselves into a position where their game against the Vikings next week will be meaningless to the Men in blue if the Cowbums defeat the Deadskins tonight. Another black mark against the "vaunted" NFC East.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Albert, just some friendly banter. I would much rather be scouting Bears opponents for a possible playoff scenarios but unfortunately Bears nation got stiffed before the season was halfway over.....Again. This Blog has really made the season somewhat bearable. No pun intended.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Guys,

    As an impartial bystander, I believe that the point of the argument isn

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Okay Jeff, let's have the scandal from Sunday already ....

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Not football related - what if they had Facebook in Star Wars .... http://www.collegehumor.com/article:1794889

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Sorry, it starts here : http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2009/12/why-the-emperor-had-to-ban-facebook/

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Nice find, Irish!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Any Denver lurkers out there?
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/12/27/eagles.broncos/index.html?eref=sihp

    Bwahahahahahahahaha!

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Regarding Olin Kruetz...
    My thoughts on him have been made known frequently here and can be summed up in 4 words: "Hasta la vista, baby!"

    Regarding Mike Heimerdinger...
    DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! He comes from the EXACT geological strata that the Bears LOVE to mine for mediocre head coaches: A coordinater with no NFL head coaching experience on his resume. Guys like Dooley, Gibron, Pardee, Armstrong, Wannstedt, Jauron and Smith. Worse, he probably won't cost half of what it would take to land a Bill Cowher. THAT fact alone makes him attractive to the Bears and should make it a "no-brainer" as far as the McAsskeys are concerned. Am I saying that that coordinators can't become quality head coaches? No. I AM saying that the Bears can't find the ones who will.

    Sadly, even THAT hiring possibilty pre-supposes that Lovie IS history when I still believe it is even money that only most of his minions of incompetence will be sent packing.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    From the "We weren't the only ones who got fooled" department...

    This Monday night game was SUPPOSED to be a Marquee Matchup!

    SUPPOSED to have playoff meaning for both teams!

    SUPPOSED to be a battle between SUPER BOWL CONTENDERS!

    BZZZZZZT! Wrong-O, Pigskin Breath!

    The NFL and ESPN say "Thank you, Bears, and F.U.V.M." for turning this game into a clear second choice to THE BIG BANG THEORY on CBS or THE SEX LIFE A POLYP on the Discovery Channel.

    In the same way that the Bears seem content to take a back seat to the NFL's elite, this game is just further evidence that Monday Night Football has clearly taken a back seat to FOOTBALL NIGHT IN AMERICA. It also demonstrates that ESPN got absolutely FLEECED when you compare what they paid for the MONDAY franchise vs. what NBC paid for the SUNDAY franchise and it's priceless flexible schedule.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Damn. That should be Sex Life OF a Polyp. Sorry, Mr. Benchly.

  • In reply to ImissButkus:

    I guess it's time to circle the horses. - Alonzo Spellman

  • In reply to KentuckyBearsFan:

    Well, looks like Maynard may be out.
    One of the few skill positions that hasn't been a problem is now going to be a weakness this Monday night.
    Awesome!

  • Thomas Jones is having another hell of a game. Can you just imagine how ahead of the game we would be if we had kept him on our roster and never drafted Benson. The first 3 teams passed on CB, I wish the Bears would have had the balls to pass on him as well. Just think of all the picks we would have been able to use filling our teams needs.

  • Yes I heard it as well. So what thier friends!! Gimme a friggin coach with some balls!!

  • I look for the team to lose at least 11 games next yr if no change is made

  • Oh no, after the Super Bowl talk I was hearing from my Denver friends after 1 (yes, ONE) game this season, the completely epic fashion in which they've blown up this season is priceless. They are 2-7 over the last 9 games. We're 2-7.
    Nice job, Boy Genius.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    It's even better than last year when they disintegrated in December and blew a 3 game divisional championship in 3 weeks.
    They have a nice stadium.
    The franchise sucks.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Albert, you're killing it my friend, KILLING IT! Great work. I totally agree with everything you've said on this thread. Jeff, I wonder why you treated Haugh's article with straightforward respect when we've (at least Rancid and I, and there have been others) been discussing that very fact for the last three years now! Olin has been terrible for several seasons now. That Haugh includes the laughable comment that he still wins more battles than he loses - that just is further evidence that Haugh is one of the last ones standing to see that the emperor has no clothes.

    And I also have to jump on the Vince Young deal - as Longhorns, we watch the Titans all the time - to say he has nothing to do with their winning streak is ludicrous, as Albert illustrates well. Will he win a Superbowl? I don't know - aren't there only a handful of guys right now playing who actually have? But he's been playing well, and they're starting to learn how to use his skills better since he's clearly unconventional. I have no idea why Fisher took so long to yank Collins, but the delay on that decision clearly cost them the post season - and it is true that Vince looked GONE the last time he played when the wheels had come off.

    I just hope like HELL that they're talking about how to get Cowher. But I'd take Fisher in a heartbeat. Ghost, as one of my favorite posters, that's the strangest thing I've ever heard you say! There must be a reason for it.

    If the Bears can't find it within themselves or their wallets to get a proven coach and decide that it has to be written into the bylaws of The Chicago Bears Football Club that they can only promote coordinators, I guess we'll have to take our chances. There's always a chance that the blind squirrel will get lucky and find a nut. If they go this route, I just hope at the top of their qualifications list will be someone who has proven that he can develop players. Because that's at the top of the list of Lovie's failings.

    I fully expect the Bears to get absolutely ravaged tonight. And I won't get upset while it's happening either.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I wasn't finished dammit! Stupid laptop! Was just going to say, I won't get upset, I'm well past that this season, I am happy to say I will be watching the carnage on our FIRST EVER FLAT SCREEN IN HIGH DEF - of course the bad news is this will be happening in the boys' room, since Santa deemed that THEY, not ME, would get to be ushered into the world of Hi Def FIRST. Oh well. A man's gotta start somewhere!

    GO BEARS! FIRE LOVIE! GET COWHER!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    One more thing, I'd love to get my hands on the quote of Wanny's, I think it was the year he was fired, something along the lines of "we're the best 3-7 team in the league". My Cowboys buddy and I continued to use that line years later to describe bad teams. Anyone remember? Well that's the Lovie connection. That's what he thinks. We're the best 5-9 team in the league. Quality losses, boys, quality losses!

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