Tommie Defends Lovie

The following is a piece from ProFootballTalk in its entirety.  I don't have a ton to add Michael David Smith's commentary so I figured I'd just throw it out here for discussion. 

Bears defensive tackle Tommie Harris says he and his teammates need to
get to the playoffs not just for themselves, but for coach Lovie Smith
-- who, according to Harris, has been so good to the players that they
must repay him by playing well.

"We owe it to him,"
Harris said Monday. "That guy has been great to us from training camps
to what he's done with the facilities. Different things that you see
other coaches really don't care about, but this guy has come in and
helped us out tremendously, and we owe it back to him."

It's a
little surprising that Harris, of all players, would be the one who
would step forward and speak up on Smith's behalf. It was just three
weeks ago that Harris was an unhappy camper, publicly criticizing the
team for keeping him inactive for the game against the Cincinnati
Bengals.

It's also interesting that Harris thinks a coach having
"been great to us" is a reason that coach should keep his job.
Ultimately, a coach isn't judged by whether his players like him; he's
judged by whether his players win. A critic of Smith's could just as
easily point to that "great to us" comment and say it's evidence that
the Bears need someone who's less a players' coach and more of a
taskmaster.

Whatever the case, maybe it was Harris and other Bears players whom Charley Casserly of CBS was referring to when he said the Bears are 100 percent committed to Smith.
But just because the players like Smith, that doesn't mean his job is
safe, and Harris seemed to realize that the Bears, at 4-5, need to turn
the season around.

"Now, the back is on our walls," Harris said. "I mean the wall is on our backs. So we really have to do something now."

No
matter where the Bears' backs are relative to their walls, it's time
for them to start winning soon, or else Smith will be out of a job, no
matter how great to his players he is.

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  • There is a fine line between supporting a player and enabling one.

  • "No matter where the Bears' backs are relative to their walls, it's time for them to start winning soon, or else Smith will be out of a job, no matter how great to his players he is."

    Good stuff.

  • Agree with Shady, to me this is more of an indictment than an endorsement.

  • Another thought on Harris. By playing well in SF he proved that his issue isn't that he's hurt, or past his prime, but rather that he isn't motivated to come out and his give his all. He was shamed by his play against the Cards so he came out and played hard and well in SF. If he could manage that effort all year he could still be an impact player. And the fact that his effort is a problem reflects back on the coaching staff.

  • In reply to alott96:

    Exactly Al, he plays well when he feels sufficiently motivated to do so. I thought he might have been a cripple. Not so it seems. That swim move to stuff Gore was awesome.

  • In reply to alott96:

    He hardly played well. Watch the game again and focus on Tommie. He is never doubled anymore and he gets pushed all over the field. The sack play was a perfect example...He was pushed back three yards off the ball...got just passed the original los when the QB was flushed and made the tackle. He's done and Lovie should be done. Accountability is a bad word in that locker room and it has been since Lovie arrived.

  • In reply to alott96:

    hot from the wires:

    Dick JaMORroun has been fired from the Bills. Bills owner Ralph Wilson to Buffalo News: "Nothing ever seemed to go right. It's the toughest thing I ever had to do personally because [Jauron's] such a great guy."

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Tonight, he and John Shoop can join hands and sing koom-bay-ah.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Maybe Jimmy Johnson is available...Can we add him to the matrix??

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    This just in...Marv Levy back in in Buffalo

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Buffalo doesn't love dick anymore

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    How very propos:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/11/17/mail/index.html?eref=sihp

    ..the first part, the rest is garbage.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Also, an amusing article from D. McGrath: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/dan_mcgrath/11/17/bears/index.html

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Hmmm.. Jauron gone now with a record of 3-6; only one game worse than ours, and I'd say the overall expetations for the Bears were MUCH greater than that of the Bills. Yet we all seem resigned to at least one more year of Lovie - not becuase anyone thinks he's a good coach, but becuase he was shrewed enough to get a long extension.

    In fact, we've been REAL good at hiring coaches whose only real talent is positioning themselves for extensions without seriously contending for a SB crown.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Mildly amusing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-yFGe3AX0

    ...but sadly true.

  • "That guy has been great to us from training camps to what he's done with the facilities."

    Fucking pussy! Facilities, fucking facilities? Are you fucking kidding? You care more about the fucking facilities than about winning and about team pride?! You, and any other Bear player, that thinks like that is pathetic. Disgusting. I am angry. We the loyal fans deserve much more than that you douche.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    What? Don't you like the new carpet in the weight room?

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Dammit! where are those little moist towlettes that Nigel leaves in my locker!!??

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    Who's Tommie I haven't heard from that guy since 2006

  • In reply to Mastodon:

    It occurs to me that the shitty attitudes of the press and the fans can't be helpful to this situation. There are 7 games left in the season, and I wonder how many of you people who call yourselves 'fans' will eat your words if indeed the Bears can turn this around.

    I don't know if they will, or even if they can, but if they do they deserve a ton of credit after all the crap that has been written about them. There's a lot of season left. If you hate the Bears so much, go be a Colts fan or something. Jeez.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    If you love the Bears so much why don't you marry them!

  • In reply to Shady:

    I would, Pee Wee, but Peanut's already taken!! :)

  • In reply to sjvl:

    "That guy has been great to us ..."

    How about this for a meanwhile-here-in-the-real-world translation:

    "That guy has been great coddling us ."

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Tommie Harris are you still on Lovie's titty?

  • In reply to sjvl:

    It is plain to see that Lovie Smith is a wonderful person and a father figure to his players, and all of this is very well and good. Unfortunately here is the rub, very rarely do nice guys win in football. You can only win if you are tougher than your opponents , both individually and as a team.

    That said this is not the time to be trashing the team, the coaches and the players. The fans are reliant on them to come good and the players need the support of the fans from now until the end of the season. Only then will we see whether Lovie Smith, his coaches and his players have the ability to have a winning season and get into the play-offs.

    Good luck to them is what I say as a true Bears fan.

  • In reply to Cutlerjuice:

    I don't get it, in your first sentence you call the Bears out for being too soft and then you say this isn't time to criticize the team? So which one is it?

  • In reply to Cutlerjuice:

    First....We can piss right we can piss left all we want but bottom line BOYS AND GIRLS this is a business!!! You can Mantra and speak to all the spirits you want but these players get paid to do A JOB!!!! They are all trained and understand when they sign the contract.. YOU HAVE A JOB TO DO!!!! I donot do my job and my boss goes YOUR FIRED. These are simple equations.. we are all in the real world.

    Secondly...As fans we look at these players and wish we had that opportunity to be in their shoes for even one second, we live through their actions on the field and when we see what one does by pissing away and acting like a child it inflames us to think that they would actually piss that gift away. You know each and everyone of us would scacrifice just for one second to put that jersey on, feel the wind off Lake Michigan, the smell of the grass on a Sunday afternoon. AND THATS WHY FANS GET PISSED WHEN THEY SEE THEIR GLADIATORS PISS THAT GIFT AWAY!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Couldn't have said it any better L2B.

    I had written up almost the same couple of paragraphs (but mine had a few more F-bombs... I gotta cut back). Well done.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Tough times for the Bears brain trust. Tommie's comments will certainly be taken as an indictment of Lovie AND of tommie and maybe other players as well. As in "why do they need this to happen before they realize they ought to be playing harder?"

    Then Grossman's dad comes out and says what everyone SHOULD know - the Bears can't possibly be THAT bad at PICKING QBs. What they ARE bad at is DEVELOPING them and giving them the tools to win. If this year doesn't prove that, NOTHING will. Jay will end up with worse stats than Rex. If this were Rex, he'd be benched. It's NOT the QB - it's the attitude of emphasizing defense to the EXCLUSION of offense. Thinking "well, will draft a guy here (RB) or trade for a guy here (QB) and that's enough for the offense."

    The organization does not know how to build a football team. SB in 2006? Well, even a blind squirell finds a nut sometimes. (See 'Cardinals, Arizona'.)

  • In reply to BillW:

    It all kinda points back to Ron Turner, now doesn't it?

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Tommie's done. Everyone here knows it because he's ALLOWED to quit by THE LOVEHAMMER. All he gets in the form of punishment is to sit out a game. Can't get injured on the pine. Lovie is Tommie's illegitimate Daddy from Big Sandy. Here's a thought to ponder. Being old school, what do fellow thread mates think Buddy Ryan would do with Tommie? Bet he'd have fights set up in practice to challenge Tommie's manhood. All week long! Danimal would kick his ass all over field. Mongo would F him up real nice. Richard Dent...don't even go there. Hell, I bet the late great Taco Bell would knock him out with one punch. He's a big ass baby who plays hard when HE feels like it. CANCER!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Jerseyflyer...right on! with the CANCER! there is a ton of cancer on this team..and as cancer does it infects all and then they become what we see now. on a previous comment I thought of 82'-83' when a certain coach came in and had expressed if you do not want to be on this team it is time for you to move on. AGAIN!! I THINK WE ARE AT THAT CROSSROAD!

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Here's my take on this...Its become pretty apparent that, unless we experience a miraculous turnaround, which we wont, Lovie is out of here after next year..my question is this..with the fact that the coaching class of this year (meaning guys who are available) is the best it has been in YEARS. If ultimately a change is going to be made, which, lets face it, it is...why not make it now. I get it, we owe Lovie money, but waiting until the good coaches are gone, makes about as much sense as a team in the NBA waiting until the 2011 offseason to pick up a Free Agent...opportunity only knocks once...

    Clearly, Shannahan IS going to get a job somewhere this offseason...he's a Chicago guy, offensive guy, who knows Cutler.

    I actually like Lovie, but this is stupid. If we wait until after next year to dump Lovie, it will just be another terrible move in a long line of mistake by this organization.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    "Twisting" for an agenda, Doc? I think that's a stretch because the
    facts are that warm human being, Father/Reverend/Rabbi Lovie Smith couldn't get Tank Johnson or Cedric Benson to toe the mark for him in Chicago and we are now into multiple YEARS of watching Tommie Harris show up when he feels like it.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    On a related matter...

    For those hoping Lovie gets canned soon, heard something on the drive into work from one of national the radio wonks that I think actually has some merit. I am paraphrasing:

    "Yes, eating 2 years of Lovie Simth's contract would be expensive and is not something you normally expect the Chicago Bears to do.
    On the other hand, the Bears have a LOT more money invested in Jay Cutler."

    And I know what you're all thinking: "Albert has a job?"

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    Regarding Shanny coming in. He's still getting paid big time to hang out at his newly constructed house in CO. Check it out. The sprawling ranch home of former Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan is building in Cherry Hills Village will have amenities that would make any kid's eyes pop.Designed by Sall Residential Design Group, the 34,927-square-foot home includes a bowling alley and lounge, a poker room, a video-golf room, a racquetball court and a shuffleboard table, according to the building permit filed with Cherry Hills Village.And that's just in the basement, where there also will be four bedrooms.The main level includes two studies, a gallery, a music and living room, a gathering room, a dining room, a conservatory, a kids' arcade and playroom, and two bedrooms, including a master suite with his and hers closets.
    There are six fireplaces; a 3,600-square-foot, six-car garage; a 2,150-square-foot guest house; a "wine residence" and guest house; a swimming pool; and two bridges. Who'd want to come to Chicago and risk getting hit in the head with a railroad tie when you can live(and get paid to sit around) in CO? Don't think we get Shanny....

  • In reply to Cutlerjuice:

    I just think his username is... gross Shady. Cutlerjuice... eeeewwwww

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Yech.

  • In reply to Cutlerjuice:

    Lovie Smith is probably a phenomenal Defensive Coordinator

  • In reply to Rancid:

    Ah....ha.....hahaha.....bwaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA!!!

    Nice.

  • In reply to Rancid:

    I hears he got himself a fancified new defense that's set to revolutionize the y2k!! Yee Haw Tex-y Smith!

  • In reply to Cutlerjuice:

    These are things that a Cub fan would say. The Bears are not 'lovable losers'...they are the 9 time World Champions and Keystone franchise of the National Football League! The Bears will always have the support of the fans. They always have in the good times and the bad times. But when they are not playing up to their potential, and not playing hard they will get called out in this town. And that is as it should be. I, too, say good luck to the Bears...but good luck is a product of hard work and effort which is something that seems to be lacking in this group.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Wonder if Jay will come out and say how great Ron Turner is and that they need to win for him?

    Anyways, it's obivious that if Lovie was winning none of this would matter, I could care less how lame and arrogant he is, how repeatedly we hear the same ol same ol with excuses for failure every week, every year now.

    To me Tommie coming out saying that "so we really have to do something now" means he wasn't "really" trying to do something before, not only him but possibly others on the team as well as this has been the personality of the team for several years now. I am long ready to see a shift in that mentality, but again, if we win I don't care, just don't allow an occasional lucky win to make you act like you don't need to work on stuff harder.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    On your first sentence, I sure as hell hope not!

  • In reply to sjvl:

    Everybody on here is a fan. Who hates the Bears on here. Everybody on here wants to turn it around this season. We can probably afford to lose another game. We know it's not over until it's over. Philly ain't all that, neither are Baltimore. We need to sweep the Quuens. Period. Fans that go "Ra Ra Ra Bears" whatever the situation are idiots. They're not fans, they're mascots. I can't stand the fans that say they want to see us lose every game so that Lovie goes. That's insane. I don't understand wanting your team to lose. Especially if Lovie is monied up for the next couple of years. Turner is gone for sure. If our offense shows up on the same day as the defense we can kick the shit out of anybody except the Colts. Meh. I hate turtle head.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I'm not Ra Ra, nor am I an idiot. I really wonder how much of a factor all the negativity really is to the team. How much press and blogs do they read? Do they watch ESPN? If so, everyone seems to count them out, to the point of making fun of them. Can't make it easier to get out there and give it all you got is all I am saying. I see all the games, I know what's happening this year - it's not pretty.

    I agree with you and wait (not so patiently) for the day the offense and defense show up on the same day. I hope that day comes Sunday, and then is repeated for the next 7 weeks.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    "Now, the back is on our walls," Harris said. "I mean the wall is on our backs. So we really have to do something now."

    Maybe he meant the 'buck is in our walls'. If that was the case, he's right if the opposing OL make up the bucks.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiJElPRnz54

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    I'm more of a Bears enthusiast, really.

  • Hey, it gave us the image of Tommie being an athletic Tracy Morgan...an idiot savante in a mid-rif shirt...or Tommie wearing the Brian Fellows' safari outfit.
    Yipes.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm Brian Fellows!

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    I'd like to thank my guests, but NOT THAT BIRD!

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Ooowee. Did you see the new one that Rex Grossman's Dad ripped for the Bears?

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-17-mitchell-nov17,0,1193797.column

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Yeah, we talked about it yesterday.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I dunno anymore what to expect on Sunday. I think you can only really expect Special Teams to show up for a full game every game. The Defense is inconsistent and injured but I don't know if it matters because the offense is simply awful, we are back to being more likely to score on D or ST than on O. Cutler is horrible, his throws are so flat even downfield that he has to be amazingly accurate on every throw or it's a pick.

    I have an idea, let's just have Hanie practice on Fridays(RedZone day) and anytime we get in the RedZone, we put Hanie in. Im pretty sure he couldn't be any worse than Rex is down there, I mean Jay.

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Jersey-

    That makes a ton of sense to me, or you, but these guys live to coach, (most of them anyway)...by that logic, why would ANYONE coach into thier 60's or 70's when they have a ton of cash..I dont know much about Shanny, but my guess is he's itching to get back in...

    My overall point being, even if its not him, why pass up on this coaching class if a move is going to be made..which its becoming increasingly clear it is..

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Please Bill Cowher. Please make my team good. Make us play defense that hurts people. Make us run the ball. Make our quarterback successful like the one you left behind in Pittsburgh. Tell players they suck when they do. Cut them when they steal from the team. You are the chosen one. Like Keanu Reeves in that karate movie where everyone dressed in black and there was no plot.

  • In reply to jmbears1977:

    JMB... been preaching Cower since the fire lovie movement started up again. I am 100% with you.

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Orlando Pace is back practicing at left tackle after a mild concussion suffered in last Thursday's game.

    That's comforting news, isn't it?

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Orlando Pace is back practicing at left tackle after suffering a mild concussion last week.

    That's a comforting bit of news.

    Isn't it?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'll take a mild concussion over a mild case of bad, which is what Kevin Schaeffer suffered last Thursday.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Schaeffer is a natural RT who is much better at run blocking and there was really no noticable drop off at LT after Pace left. They should put Williams in for Pace this game using his injury as a reason and start Schaefer at RT, then we might have 1 direction we could run instead of 0.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Agree!

  • In reply to dutsami:

    test

  • In reply to dutsami:

    Holy Shit, I'm back! I think firefox was hosing me.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    You guys are cracking me up today. Thanks.

    Irish, from the last thread... I knows we don

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cowher is a pussy who I lost every bit of respect for when they shouwed him blubbering like a schoolgirl on the sidelines the year they lost the AFC Championship.. may have been Big Ben's rookie year? There is no crying in football (unless it's overjoyed tears)especially not here so to hell with that I don't care if he is good or not.

    Shanny I would support simply due to Offensive geared and a familiarity with Cutler. Jay is the horse this team has hitched it's wagon too so you better start building around him now.

    Gruden was a flash in the pan wasn't he? I never got what he did but walk a current contender through the playoffs and then allow the team to erode away and get in a bunch of fights with QBs. We really want a hot-head coach who has issues with QBs?
    Sounds a lot like Barry Switzer to me when I lay it out like that and I bet he'd be a lot cheaper nowadays, so hell why not call up ol Switzer, he's like Diet Gruden.

    Fisher, I guess he gets the auto-nod for being an ex-bear but outside of that he really isn't superb at being a football coach.

    The reality is this, your only as good as your Offensive and Defensive lines. Look at the Colts.. did their "great" head coach and HoF receiver leaving even affect them? Nope, they still have a great Oline, great QB, and a quality Dline, so they kept right on trucking. Look at Dallas in the early 90s, Jimmy built that team from that Oline up and everyone thought he was nuts, but a stuck a reliable QB back there with a durable RB, and a big play WR and had a powerhouse. Doesn't matter who is calling in the plays or who is throwing the ball if they don't have time to take a 5 step drop and throw.

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Well, Gruden isn't going anywhere. He and ESPN have become bedfellows for perhaps the next few seasons.

    My vote is for Cowher or Shanahan. I have a hard time choosing between the two of them. Both have ring(s). Both led successful perrenial playoff teams for a long time. For a while it seemed like the Broncos and the Steelers kept knocking each other out of the playoffs.

    I think I am the only Bears fan on this blog who has an unfavorable opinion of Jeff Fisher. I couldn't care less that he is a former Bear. I couldn't care less that he was a part of the '85 team. Other than his longevity, there is nothing remarkable about his career as a head coach. He's built some pretty good teams...he got to the Super Bowl once (and lost)...but mostly mediocrity. Since his first season as head coach he is 130-103. He gives me no more confidence and fills me with no more of a winning attitude than the current coaching staff.

    Cowher and Shanahan are almost legendary coaches. Fisher is good, but not the best option. Gruden is not an option...sure he's got fire...but does his have ability?

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    And with Jauron fired in Buffalo...that means they are going to try to get Shanahan, Cowher, and anyone else of talent. Bears need to unfuck themselves and get this shit moving.

    January 4, fire Lovie Smith, Bob Babich, and Ron Turner
    January 23, hire new guy.
    February 6, 2011, Win Super Bowl

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    But why would anyone with talent want to coach in Buffalo?

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    Bears fans go all Hemlock on a Steelers Fan:

    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/weird/Steeler-Fan-Says-He-Was-Poisoned-in-Chicago-70285092.html

    "If I can catch him once upon the hip, I will feed fat the ancient grudge I bear him." -Merchant of Venice.

  • In reply to brandonpurcell:

    It was curious to see Devin Aromashodu get on the field during such a critical time. Final drive, 3rd down. And what do you know? He makes a catch that probably no other Bear receiver could make. Why they waited so long to go to a player they obviously have faith in is bizarre. What is more bizarre is that he doesn't get in after that were they might get an endzone look. This team clearly lacks a receiver that can make a big play in the end zone. Olsen and Davis haven't reached a point in their career, maybe never, where they'll out jump or wrestle the ball from a defender in the end zone. Maybe we'll see a little more of DA.

  • In reply to selliot1958:

    Bizarre personnel decisions for this organization is nothing new.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Tommie Harris is not is not a Pro Bowl defensive tackle, nor does he have the sense that God gave a tuna fish sandwich.
    He is simply an enthusiastic young man with a sixth-grade education and an abiding love for Lovie Smith and the Chicago Bears facilities. Share his loves, tonight on...

    Tommie Harris, Tommie Harris, Tommie Harris!

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