One Game, Three Outcomes

If they win...
Maybe the Chicago Bears can't rescue the 2009 season from the perils of a wasted winter on Sunday night against the Philadelphia Eagles.  Maybe they can't put the bloom back on the quarterback's rose or elevate the coach from his first visit to the warmest of warm seats.  Maybe they can't make us all forget about Cincinnati and Arizona.  But they do have an opportunity - believe it or not - to make next week matter.  When you're a game under .500 after nine games, that's all an organization ask for.  If the Bears win Sunday night, Minnesota matters.  And right now next week mattering is like the Super Bowl.

If they lose a close one...
And close does not refer to score.  If the Bears lose a hard-fought, penalty and turnover-free battle against a better team, so be it.  We wake up Monday morning, piss out the previous night's booze/sorrow, and start discussing where we need to improve to compete with the Vikings and Packers in 2009.  The problem is that the Bears haven't lost one of those games this season.  They've either been blown out or blew a victory with costly errors.  But if, by some chance, they lose a tough one...we'll cope. 

If they lose big...
We kill the beast.  We don dark robes, light torches and call for the head of of the absent-faced wet blanket that tells Jamar Williams which gap he should be in (which he'll subsequently avoid like a Chelsea gigolo at the free clinic).  Mike Shanahan is the guy for this job and if the Bears lay another egg in front of a national audience, fans and media should unite to call for his services.  We should ask the organization to deliver what we deserve.  How?  I'm not sure yet.  But I promise you all this.  If the Bears are blown out Sunday night, this site will be a much different experience Monday morning.

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  • If they tie...

    Oh wait, Donovan McNabb knows the overtime rules now, dang! Great post though, and I agree with everything you're saying here.

    At this point, after some very depressing losses (and for that matter, even some depressing wins - see Browns, Cleveland), having the chance to make the next game matter is really all we can hope for.

    At the same time, if they do lose, and it's a close, hard-fought battle, and we can truly come away feeling like the other team WON the game instead of being given the game (though realistically, how often does THAT happen?!) then that would be a lot better and easier to stomach than another break down by the team as a whole.

    Here's to hoping I don't wake up Monday with the same sick feeling as I've had the "morning after" some of the more recent games. Somebody needs to start selling "morning after" pills for Monday morning after we've been F*$(#ed by our team :(

  • In reply to dkbat:

    You know what? If the Bears "lose big" this week like they have been doing recently, I don't think I'll have that same sick feeling again. I think I'll finally accept that this year is done, and look forward to lots of changes.

    Whereas if they lose a "close one" I'll be suckered into thinking they can still turn this train around...but it will hurt bad knowing they're 2 games under .500.

    Of course the win would be fantastic, let's just hope for that.

  • In reply to dkbat:

    Not Shanahan. Not Shanahan. Not Shanahan! Overrated.

    Get Cowher.

  • In reply to dkbat:

    According to Peter King, "To quote the Soldier Field crowd when Jay Cutler jogs out of the tunnel Sunday night: "BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.''"

    Now, I have been troubled by some of the things I've seen from Jay. Some of the picks he has thrown are simply not made by an elite NFL quarterback. That said, I see the talent there and I'm still excited at the prospect of him developing into an elite NFL QB.

    I don't think he will get booed coming out of the tunnel. Most Bear fans seem to understand that the offense is a mess for a variety of reasons. I just think some NFL analysts want to see Cutler fail because they see him as a crybaby who forced a trade. Oh well. I think this is just a narrative we will have to get used to. I only wish the Eli Manning's of the world got the same treatment for committing a similiar if not worse 'football crime.'

  • In reply to dkbat:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/chicagobears/post/_/id/4663464/bears-toub-head-coach?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

    (since it's short, i'll post it verbatim)

    "LAKE FOREST, Ill. -- Philadelphia Eagles coach Andy Reid thinks he sees a future head coach in Chicago Bears special teams coordinator Dave Toub. The two men worked together from 2001-03, when Toub served as the Eagles assistant special teams/assistant defensive line coach.

    [+] EnlargeAP Photo/M. Spencer Green
    Bears special teams coordinator Dave Toub is head-coaching material, according to Eagles coach Andy Reid."On your staff, the coach that's best prepared to be a head coach is your special teams coach," Reid said. "They have to deal with everybody on the roster, plus you guys (the media). That's a tough thing to do. Dave Toub would be a great head coach down the road."

    Toub, who came to Chicago in 2004, has been easily the most consistent and successful assistant coach under Lovie Smith. Baltimore coach John Harbaugh already paved the way for a special teams coach to grab the top job, so why shouldn't Toub at least be afforded the opportunity to interview for open spots in the near future?"

    hmmmm...thoughts?

  • In reply to dkbat:

    "John Harbaugh already paved the way for a special teams coach to grab the top job..."

    No, FDQ , I believe that way was paved years ago by none other than DA COACH, Mike Ditka.Was he notDallas' ST Coach prior to taking the Bears' job?

    I KNOW, for sure he was their ST coach because he once called an on-side kick WITHOUT informing Tom Landry. Landry promptly told him if he ever pulled a stunt like that again he would be be fired. I don't think Ditka ever held another cocahing position beyond that with the Cowbums before he told Mr. Halas he wanted the Bears' job.,

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Hire Toub as the Head Coach for 2 seasons, demote Lovie to DC for that time (you already owe him 11 mill anyway), fire Ron Turner, the O-line coach, and the QB coach and bring in a new O staff this year. If that doesn't start to work you know in 2 years you need to clean house from the top down coaching-wise.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/professor/2009/11/bears-bunker-mentality-nothing-new-snub-of-nbc-is.html

    Everyone should read this story. It confirms what all of us have suspected. Mikey still runs this team. UGH!

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Was that ever in doubt ?

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Interesting about Toub... just by looking at our coaching staff pretty much tells you that Lovie can't find his ass even if his hands were glued to it. (that maybe why he stares up at the JumboTron to see if his hands are glued to his ass..to say "Hey I found it")

    A mark of a great leader is one who surrounds himself with great adviser's and help to delegate the power to the soldier's. Boy's and Girl's LOVIE AIN"T THAT! Shit I am sure he has a GPS in the car just so he can find his f!@!@!$ING office.

    For those who have seen "SPACEBALLS" There ia a scene that just reminds me of what happens at a BEARS MANAGEMENT METTING:

    Dark Helmet: Who made that man a gunner?
    Major Asshole: I did sir. He's my cousin.
    Dark Helmet: Who is he?
    Colonel Sandurz: He's an asshole sir.
    Dark Helmet: I know that! What's his name?
    Colonel Sandurz: That is his name sir. Asshole, Major Asshole!
    Dark Helmet: And his cousin?
    Colonel Sandurz: He's an asshole too sir. Gunner's mate First Class Philip Asshole!
    Dark Helmet: How many assholes do we have on this ship, anyway?
    [Entire bridge crew stands up and raises a hand]
    Entire Bridge Crew: Yo!
    Dark Helmet: I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes!

    This is a day in the life of LDL.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    "We kill the beast. We don dark robes, light torches and call for the head of of the absent-faced wet blanket that tells Jamar Williams which gap he should be in (which he'll subsequently avoid like a Chelsea gigolo at the free clinic). Mike Shanahan is the guy for this job and if the Bears lay another egg in front of a national audience, fans and media should unite to call for his services. We should ask the organization to deliver what we deserve. How? I'm not sure yet. But I promise you all this. If the Bears are blown out Sunday night, this site will be a much different experience Monday morning. '

    Classic. Well done...

    I hate to throw this out there, but what about Holmgren (Pause for boo's)

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    If we could get Holmgren,I'd be all for it. I see Holmgren taking over an entire organization.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    canadabear... this just reaffirms my previous post. I have to tell you years ago had the chance to run into that sniviling little bitch (M.McCaskey in his cannary yellow button sweater and just wanted to bitch slap him then too.!!!)All just change the names and you have it!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Isn't Holmgren a white Lovie? He stood around with his hands on his hips staring at the Jumbotron blankly too.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Which leads me to my next question, I know where most of us stand on the Lovie issue, but how about Angelo?

    Because most likely, both Shannahan and Holmgren are probably going to want GM power as well..in some capacity..

    Regarding the "white Lovie" comment, which is very funny, personally, I dont care if my coach screams and raises hell on the sidelines...Im not so sure that translates to wins...All I ask is that they lay into guys in the locker room when necessary...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Holmgren and Shanahan will ask for to much control of choice of players.One reason why Holmgren is not in GB and Sahnahan is not in DEN both asked for to much control on their own team. What a concept asking do be able to choose your players on the team you coach.
    plus...McBitch will never stop being the puppetmaster. You saw what happened to DaCoach when he had to much power McBitch stepped in.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    It started before that, when Finks was not consulted before Ditka was hired. And make no mistake, Jim Finks was the reason the Bears were that good, NOT Ditka.

  • In reply to nicholsra:

    I'd like to add that the national press (including Sports Illustrated) running articles on the cause of death of Drew Brees' mother is incredibly tacky, inappropriate, and another example of the misplaced priorities of modern journalists. How in the world is that relevant information for someone reading the sports page?
    Shame on you, SI.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Totally agree. It's really sad that "journalism" has come to this level.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Arthur Ashe pt. 2 (that shit still disgusts me to this day)

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Whoa Nelly! CanadaBear, great find!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That article is a fucking BOMBSHELL. It's written by Brad Palmer, Channel 7's Sports Reporter. Everyone in Chicago respects Palmer, he's got Hub Arkish like credentials. He knows Bears football, and we was around during the glory years.

    He knows that Mike McCaskey is the little rich prick with the sweater tied around his waist. He knows that prick likes to talk down to pretty much everyone except mommy.

    And he knows the glory years were build by Jim Finks. And Finks left because little Mikey is a dick.

    Then, at the end, Palmer drops this bombshell:

    "So long as the McCaskeys own the team, don't expect any significant changes. Jim Finks didn't want to work for Michael, and I doubt any other high-profile general managers or coaches will either. Don't think league insiders aren't savy about the goings on in Chicago. The only meaningful change would be for the McCaskeys to sell. And that's something the family has been considering, not that they'll ever admit it."

    Yowza. Please please please please be true. Mayor Daley worked with Ted Phillips to get the Bears a new stadium. Daley REFUSED to be in the same room with McCaskey, lest he walk over and give him a mob style beatdown. I'm not kidding, Daley is the kind of guy who will punch somebody.

    Phillips job is over, the stadium deal is done. Now, it's back to mediocrity. Lovie is a yes man. Nick Saban wanted Tuna like power. Angelo makes Crumbs Krause look like a stand-up guy. Lovie is a good little corporate shill. Says the right things. Doesn't rock the boat. Mikey doesn't worry he will say anything. Ditka would be telling the reporters how his GM is a dick by now. Lovie likes getting paid.

    Now, the Bears don't want to face the hard questions from Costas or anybody else. They run and hide. We don't need the press, they say.

    The Bears think of you, the fan, like Ike Turner thought about Tina. Beat the bitch down, she'll come crawling back. Or, maybe to update that a bit, like Chris Brown thinks of Rhianna.

    Yes, you out there - you are a bruised skank. Always forking up the cash for the tickets and the gear, and you'll like it no matter how you get it. McCaskey is like the old man in the Simpsons, rubbing his hands together as the stadium fills and saying "excellent".

    Turn up the heat. Use this blog and every other media outlet and start stomping on this organization at the top. Boycott the game (and yes, if you watch it on DirectTv or Dish, they are adding those numbers up) and let attendance start to suffer. Then maybe Virginia will get a visit from Ghost George this Christmas, as the Ghost of Bears Christmases Past. Pointo the graveyard of 7-9 seasons....

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Get Arrow & Kellon Davis in the game...

    Use Arrow @ WR and Kellen Davis who is 6 ft 7 in @ TE since Davis is out.

    Continue to use short passing game with Forte.... If no one is open Checkdown.

    Be more creative in the red zone.... U must score every time we get down there. No excuses!

    As long as everyone does there job I think we can win this one!

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    Correction Clark is Out.... wish you could edit your post

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    Neither Shanny or Holmgren distinguished themselves when they had total control. They both need personnel men. Shanny couldn't get it done without Horseface and Holmgren's record in Seattle was nothing to shout about.

    I think Angelo is more the culprit in our problems. Don't get me wrong, if Lovie, Turner and Babich get fired I won't be shedding any tears, but our roster is short on talent. Out of 22 starters, only Briggs is at the Pro Bowl level. Gould is close and that's it.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to BEARSFAN78:

    Is that Hester? I think he

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Cumslinger?

    And *I'm* the one who needs the restraining order?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Canada, Holmgren took Seattle to a Super Bowl and should have won the game. Holmgren out-coached the hell out of Lovie in 2006. Holmgren will change the face of the Bears.

    Shanny will cure the offense. That's all that matters.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Can't argue with either one being an upgrade but do you really think the McCheapsky's will eat all those contracts and sign either guy? Please. You know better than that.

    Shanny's offense was always top shelf but the D was always bottom shelf (after Elway retired). Yes Holmgren got them to a SB but woulda, coulda, shoulda, means you lost. Take a look at the Seattle roster, not exactly a murderer's row.

    I think the job is too big for any one person. You need to keep the HC and GM jobs separate but with total communication.

    If you are looking for a list of guys that have out coached Lovie, it's a pretty long list!

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Here's my take on Bears/Egggles game Sunday night. McNabb will be over at his Momma's house(somewhere in Chicago) with his entire offense unit eating plenty of Fried chicken, grits and collared greens and what not. He'll get all his eatin's in good and show up ready to light us up at Soldier Field. Hate to say it brothers, but McNabb is gonna kill us all by himself Sunday night. Hell, it's like a F'ing home game for a HOMMIE! Turn the lights off...season is done. Bet Lovehammer shows up at Mommmma McNabb's house too for a little sumpin sumpin. Freaking piss poor experiment as a head coach soon will be finished. That's thankfully behind us.....next stop for Lovie? Why Grambling of course! Bring in Holmgren asap.... pay him whatever he wants so I can forget the HAMMER!!!!! He's a JOKE...I'm OUT!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    gpldan, yeah maybe i'm a little creepy myself...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    If I was QB for the Bears I'd be thinking exactly the same things. How cool would it be to flirt with cheerleaders right in the middle of a game ? Why do you think he scrambles so much ? He's got to get over to them first ...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Brad Palmer's blog was a recent find and it's a must read in my opinion.

    Maybe this was discussed on the other thread, but Mark Potash of the SunTimes wrote a great piece. I cut/pasted it so I coudl save it. Lists all the problems with no punches pulled.

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/football/bears/1890942,bears-grossman-19.article

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Wow, getting interesting in here today gents. Mustache, do you have a side job writing for penthouse?

    I did want to go back to the Shannahan vs. Cowher question for a bit. Jeff you seem to be in the Shanny camp along with others, so wanted to present the two coaches

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    Cowher would be my choice too. We still need a good GM. I have no idea who that would be but we desperately need an upgrade.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to MB30SD:

    I'd love to see Cowher in Chicago. He has the right CV. I'd love Ditka as GM - he wouldn't be the best choice, I really don't know who is ... but he'd be better than Angelo with that cheesy smug face. Thing is no one is going anywhere, McCaskey's head is stuck so far up his own ass he needs a glass stomach to see where he's going.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Here's Homgren's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Holmgren

    Not into Holmgren personally. Not sure if it's because of his association with the packers, or his quiet demeanor.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    You're not trying to take credit for this are you?

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    "This is Jay fucking Cutler we

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    hear here!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Coach, you've been watching too much porn. Time to dial it back a bit.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Everytime you post u crack my shit up.... fucking HILARIOUS.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    That's why I like the guy. Sorry to bring up Jimmy Mac again (no I'm not), but he'd throw the ball straight to the opposition with no receiver in sight. It happens to the greats. I just read Peyton Manning threw 28 picks one season ... and he's still around. Remember the interception machine Vinny Testaverde ? Brett Favre never cared where the hell the ball was going and is a far more deserving of the Da Coach's post. I grew up watching Joe Montana and Dan Marino. Joe was money, he was the man. Marino just dropped back and threw 60 yard rainbows and didn't give a shit where the ball was going. Duper and Clayton were like labrador f**king retrievers for him. "Here, go fetch ... Nyyyoiiinnggg!"

    Cutler is only in his third year as a starter, give him a break. If he hits the endzone last week with his last pass, everybody is licking his ass right now and he's the game's MVP. The saviour.

    Bearsfan78 - KD and "The Arrow" lined up outside ;o) I'd definitely buy that for a dollar. Olsen inside, Forte on the screens where he runs through the OL first ... lethal.

    Time off work has been organised for Monday morning Thai time and I fully expect to witness a victory from my pit. Scores are for whores. Aren't they missing their starting cornerbacks ? They can't cover TEs even with all their starters ? Good. Westbrook is out (he's always out) ? Good. McCoy has problems on blitz pickups allegedly. We just need to give DS Jackson a dead leg as soon as he runs on to the field. Well worth 15 yards. I mean we beat the Eagles whenever we play em - I say the Christmas turkey gets plucked early in Soldier field. Next week is next week. Every week is a playoff game - but we win this one.

    Bear the fuck down !!

  • In reply to dkbat:

    I said two years ago on this blog that Turner should be fired, and Taub, because of his crativity and game planning should be given a shot at the OC job. He continuously has his teams more prepared than his oppenents. Rarely do we loose (not never) special teams battles (and he clearly can evaluate his talent)...

    As for the HC position that will be vacant at the end of the year -I want Jim Harbaugh (I wanted him before he beat the shit out of USC, and I still want him).

    Noone can predict Bears games, because noone can know which team will show up. We can beat Philly. Jay Cutler can dominate. Jay Cutler is a franchise QB. He needs to lead, plain and simple.

  • In reply to PhantomOne:

    While I was not on this blog two years ago, in other forums I was calling for Turner's head early in 2006. Which means I was really slow in realizing what a loser he is.

  • In reply to dkbat:

    That last bit sounds like a business opportunity!

  • Lets see here,the powerhouse Eagles have beaten the Panthers,Chiefs,Bucs,Redskins, and the Giants. One win over a decent team and we are looking to keep it close,Fuck that. These assholes are beatable,even by our beloved Bears.

    Getting our ass kicked by the Bengals,well they have kicked the Steelers asses twice. Who would of predicted that in September?

    This is as a winnable game as any other this year. No Westbrook,60 passes from McNabb? Why cant we win this game? Just sayin....

    Bears 61 Eagles 5

  • We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

    Go Bears!

  • The Bears spend money on players and reluctantly on HC's that have leverage. When they go looking for new HC's and GM's they are always new to their jobs (and get low balled). I think Brad Palmer is correct about Mikey still pulling the strings and any person with a long resume (Holmgren, Shanny, Cowher) would be reluctant to sign up (not to mention the McCheapsky's will not eat all those contracts at the end of the year). Phillips is president for life because he got a sweetheart stadium deal that Mikey was too inept to pull off. Unless the McCheapsky's sell the team or all the stars and planets align correctly, we're doomed.

    Go Bears!

  • Here is Palmer's quote:

    "o long as the McCaskeys own the team, don't expect any significant changes. Jim Finks didn't want to work for Michael, and I doubt any other high-profile general managers or coaches will either. Don't think league insiders aren't savy about the goings on in Chicago."

    He misspelled savvy. Also, Wikipedia backs your take up, saying Finks left because Old Man Halas pulled the trigger on Ditka without asking him.

    So perhaps we can say that Finks didn't quit because of McCaskey, but he's no fan of McCaskey. Nor are the other NFL owners, where many of them told Pro Football Weekly off-the-record that the Bears are the most mismanaged club in the NFL.

    The other really really important point that everyone should take note of here: everybody in the NFL knows the McCaskeys make shitty bosses. Nobody who is Top Tier is going to go to work for a company that has crap management.

    So all you out there calling for Cower? Forget it. No way does Bill Cower come to Chicago as long as nancy boy Mike McCaskey runs this assclown organization.

    All of this was pointed out by Jimmy Mac in his book. And that was 25 years ago. Not a god damn thing has changed.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Sadly, I should also say that Jim isn't around anymore for his take on little Mikey. He died in 1994. He is, however, in Canton where he belongs.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Why didnt the Bears even try to get Larry Johnson? With the Bears 22.5 million underneath the salary cap this season it is great that we didnt improve our weaknesses, especially since t.v. contracts cover the salary cap to begin with.
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-underthecap031008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

  • In reply to robclements36:

    Because the press would vilify, just CRUCIFY management for shipping out Tank Johnson and Benson based on character issues, then bring a guy like Johnson in.

    Johnson also has a nasty habit of calling coaches out, which makes him very unpopular in a town like chicago with thin skinned coaches.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    LJ can go hang out with the rest of the "character" guys in Cincy, speaking of which...how's that hip treating ya, Ced?

    He's a dirtbag that likes to pick fights with women and I'm glad we didn't sign his sorry ass. No stats would've made up for his truckload of issues.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Here, here. There's enough wife-beaters in the NFL. What's LJ going to do that Forte can't ? There's no run blocking

  • In reply to gpldan:

    And for all the Kellen Davis fans (I like him too, but sheesh...), get ready to see alot of him vs. the Iggles. I imagine that if we actually don't go 3-and-out every series, he'll see alot of PT as we try and take advantage of a Philly linebacking corps that is in a state of flux.

  • In reply to robclements36:

    I'd be thrilled with Shanny. In fact I'd be thrilled with anyone but Smith. But my first choice is Holmgren. He has a better, and longer history of developing quarterbacks. And personally I see a lot of similarities with Cutler and Favre. Favre was never better then he was with Holmgren. Steve Young came of age under Holmgren, Brett Favre, Mark Brunell, and Matt Hasselbeck. That's a pretty impressive list over 20 years.
    In Shanny's case he had Young after he was established, Elway who was already a HOFer, and then a list of notable failures in Griese, Plummer ect.
    Like I said, I'd love either and Shanny's connection to Jay helps his cause, but I'd rather have Holmgern. Besides, can you imagine if on back to back weekends next year the packers lose to Brett Favre and the Vikings, and Mike Homlgren and the Bears?!?!?! Heads would explode!

  • In reply to alott96:

    Fourteenth McMahon comment today ....

    Steve Young said he learned how to play quarterback by sitting on the bench at BYU and watching Jim McMahon play. Holmgren wouldn't have a clue how to play QB the fat fuck ...

  • In reply to alott96:

    By the way, Holmgren retired. There's that little nugget ... didn't sound like he retire the way Derrick Mason or Favre 'retired'.

    "Okay, I'm retiring now everyone ... byeeee"
    Everyone : "Huh ? Okay, take care now ..."
    "No, I mean it, I'm retiring, okay you guys ... ?"
    Everyone : "Uh, yeah cool, see ya ..."
    "Seriously, here I go ...look .. I'm gone .. Michael Jackson This Is It man ... I'm Audi ... for real ...hello ?

  • In reply to alott96:

    BTW - where the hell is Kalil Bell ? And our DL pool jumper ?

  • In reply to alott96:

    Bell just got brought up to replace Wolfe for this game, and probably the rest of the year. Would be very interesting to see what he's got.

    Yes, depending on what happens tomorrow, we should give PoolBoy a shot at some point too, why not.

  • In reply to alott96:

    U guys can get mad at me but Honestly I want the bears to lose big, I want them to lose cause I want Lovie and his crew FIRED. Im willing to sacrifice this year just so i can see Lovie gone!...We cant win with these coaches, these coaches cant coach this team. Im ready to except this season as a loss. I just want Lovie to not have any reason at all to stay as head coach

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    While I think you should ALWAYS root for the Bears to win, there are probably a lot of people who share your sentiments exactly.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Fresno, I'm with you man. I normally don't think like this but after reading Jeff's post I really think the third outcome is our best long term(possibly short term)solution. Plus I'm very curious how "this site will be a much different experience Monday morning."

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    I never want the Bears to lose ever, but if I was even 85% sure that McDickhead would fire Lovie, Wrong Turner, and JA

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    If the Bears WERE to lose big, it would depend on HOW they lost big. If the defense lays down like they did against CIN and ARI, then Lovie should be held accountable. But if the defense shows up and limits the Eagles to 20 or less while Jay Cutler and the offense blows up and fans start booing then I think this just adds the focus and blame on Ron Turner and not Lovie Smith.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    Fresno, I can't root against them. I tried during the Jauron era and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. One of my alltime favorite Chicago Bears wins was a meaningless win against the Titans in 2004.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/gamecenter/recap/NFL_20041114_CHI@TEN

    Sometimes the thrill can be week-to-week.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    DAMN IT.... Joseph your giving LDL's gamepaln to the IGGGLES.

  • In reply to Grizzly559:

    duh gameplan.. damn fat fingers

  • In reply to robclements36:

    I guess this Sunday I will bring out my LDL vodoo doll and stab the shit out with viagra and hope that by osmosis that LOVIE with grow and man up as a F@!$#@!$#!@ING coach.

    Hey I think I might get a website with Yournflcoachvodoodoll.com SHIT!! Who's first to buy you can call me ASAP!

    p.s. the heads are interchangeable for all you bears management.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    RobC LJ is not the problem...we have a shitty OLine who beleive blocking is a "two step" and let your partner "dosie do" your RB. If Double Duece cannot find an opening LJ would be in the same boat.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    sorry "dosie doe" my bad

  • In reply to gpldan:

    that link i posted might be 2008 numbers. Larry Johnson isnt a 1 man solution, just we didnt even try to sign him. Now Wolfe is out for season. just a random thought.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    If you look at the thread of this post ALL on this blog see the problem. It's just as long as *these* owners have this team with *this* management not much sunshine on the horizon for us BEAR FANS. God when did it get so dark being a BEAR FAN... SHIT!....and Jeff I really donot like any of the three outcomes because we should be better than this. Not that you not correct it just SUCKS that these are the three we are stuck with.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Red Zone Turnovers. Red. Zone. Turnovers.

    Yes, Arizona and Cinci were humiliating losses and the Bears need to improve, but . . .

    Red Zone Turnovers.

    I don't give a shit what this organization does now or in the future if they keep giving the ball away inside their opponent's five yard line, it won't matter if Holmgren or Wannie is standing there.

    No more RZTOs!

    I'll beat that drum until it snaps.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Totally Gpldan - everything you want to know about the Bears system is in McMahon's book by Bob Verdi. Old man Halas throwing nickels around like manhole covers etc. I love the exclamation point in the title of the book ...

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