Five Fixes After Beating the Browns

Shocking that in today's NFL that a team can win 30-6 and display so many flaws but the Bears did just that.  There were positivies from yesterday's game but not enough to warrant Monday morning attention.  If the Bears plan on making a run for a division title or a place in the postseason, they're going to need to be better.  A lot better.  I'm focusing on the offense because we can't learn anything defensively from playing the Browns. 

#1. Stop calling runs up the middle on first down.  I've been writing this for two years and I'm frankly getting tired of it.  But how many drives have to be second-and-nine or third-and-long before Ron Turner starts a drive in shotgun and lets our best offensive player make plays.

#2. Block someone.  Anyone.  Is there a solution on the current roster?  I have no idea.  But the solution was not lined up against the Browns.

#3. Get Matt Forte involved in the passing game.  Forte displays the explosiveness we all expect from him when he's catching the ball out of the backfield.  Not on last-thought dumpoffs but on designed screens.  

#4. Never ever ever run the wildcat again.  Was that serious?  The wildcat?  Why did we give up so much for a quarterback and then take him off the field on pivotal downs?  The Bears won 30-6 and I can make an argument this was the worst game Ron Turner ever called.

#5. Install the no huddle.  The offense's pace is wretched, leaving me wondering who is going to jump before the start of each play.  The coaching staff must do something to rectify this and the no huddle is an option.


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  • Damn that o-line they should all be ashamed for that performance. Keep that up and Cutler will be on IR in no time. Turner is completely lost with this offense right now, I want every media outlet questioning his play calling abilities. He needs to be held accountable starting now. He still doesn't even know how to use Wolfe in the backfield. Turner is a moron and I have had enough.

  • Can we play the browns every week? We need to put out an apb for offensive lineman. Every one of them looks like hell, and none worse than olin. Loved the guy for a long time, but he sucks, plain and simple. He is bad. Rogers raped him all game long. he looked violated in his post game interview. Also, if they run wolf up the gut one more time i may light myself on fire. Hey i guess a v is a v, at least thats what my chubby chasing buddy always tells me...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    A v is a v...from a chubby chaser....Instant classic.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    #1 is only valid in certain situations. You have to have the ability to get chunks of yard up the gut on any given down. Look at what Gore did on first down up the gut against Indy, but they have smaller tackles. But when your current Oline and RB prove time and again they cant get yards there,or you have a 175lb RB and they have a 360lb NT then yes it is valid.
    and a #6 you should have Jeff.
    #6 Greg Olsen is not a built like a FB, he doesn't block well, so QUIT LINING HIM UP AS A FB!

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Wrong Turner has problems. He has no left guard.

    Go back and watch the completion to Knox where Knox streaks up the sideline. Watch what Shawn Rogers does to Beekman. It's on your DVR, go back and watch it again.

    He tosses him aside like an extra in a chuck norris movie. Beekman looks like they put rag doll physics into Madden 2010. It's insane. Rogers literally grabs him and tosses him aside like Beekman went limp.

    I don't care if Joe Montana is back there, the QB at that point is taking his eyes off the downfield routes and looking to see if his head is about to come off. Cutler can't hold the ball, because nobody fears the run block. Nobody fears the run block, because Beekman and Kreutz can't push or even leverage anybody anywhere.

    I watched a 3rd rate linebacker from Cleveland run Forte over like he was roadkill.

    Late in the game, a couple of Hester screens worked, as well as a Bennett screen. Maybe that's it. Shotgun or 3-step drop. The 5 step drop has to get chucked out of the playbook. Has to.

  • In reply to gpldan:

    Then again Shaun Rogers tosses everybody aside like a rag doll ...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    It's not about fixing things....who can you trust?

    Read more in the Rock Report

    - RoCk

  • In reply to rockmamola:

    Read bad grammar and a revisionary definition of trust ? Nah.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    If you cant run must run screens.

    Its pretty clear our screens have been somewhat effective.

    I have also come to the conclusion that Turner and Lovie are clinically insane. The definition is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result".

    Perhaps we can get them locked up? I think we may be on to something here...

    Just listen to Cutler's post game "We have got to look at this thing and make some changes"..

    Translation: "This Thing"= terrible game plan..why else would he refer to it as a "thing"..its a thing alright...

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Yeah, yeah, a LOT worked LATE in the game, AFTER the Cleveland defense had spent most of the afternoon on the field. Time of possession was 37+ to 22+, Bears.

    Free agent O-Lineman signings:

    Orlando Pace - Less than adequate. Can can a guy play his way OUT of the Hall-of-Fame?

    Frank Omiyale: Awarded a starting job he didn't earn and unable to hold on to it.

    Kevin Shaffer: Riding the pine.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    I was at the game with my son and he had Forte in his fantasy pool. He said he played him because he was sure RT woudl be stubborn and run run run to prove his insane statement of last week that the Oline was fine. Sure enough - whenever they got close to the goal line he called running plays - as if to challenge his Oline.

    Now this may be a stretch, but just maybe Turner was using the Browns game as an exhibition. Just how bad/good ARE we on the line. If so I could actually understand - at least he got his answer.

    so MAYBE - and this is REALLY giving him too much credit - he may relaize they have to completely change their game plans from here on out.

    And yes - DITCH the WILDCAT. You can't even run basic plays but somehow you think that'll work? And when they lined up, I'm sure every Brown knew the skunk was getting the ball.

    RT is coaching for his job the next few weeks. HH has already lost his as far as I can see.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Last week Rock wrote not to panic, after we got flat out embarrased. Now, after a win, we have no one to trust?


  • In reply to Dmband:

    He also said he can't trust any of our receivers because none of them are go-to guys. For fuck sake, we don't need a go-to guy. If we had a true #1 WR, Jay still would not have any fucking time to get him the ball. Knox can get open, Hester can create space, Bennett can get open. They are not the best bunch, but they are serviceable if the line wasn't folding on every play. Fucking give Cutler some protection so he's not constantly thinking he is going to get hammered and our receivers are good enough to make plays down field. There were too many plays yesterday where the Browns faked like they were going to blitz and bring pressure, and sent everyone in coverage besides their 4 man front. That 4 man front got pressure on Jay all day. It felt like they were sending everyone, but it was only 4 or 5 guys getting pressure most of the day. I don't know how Rock got a blog or radio show on the score. Oh yeah, we live in Chicago, the good old patronage way.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    The best I can figure is that Da Bears Blog took Chicago Now by storm. Have you read any of the other blogs? I wouldn't be surprised if you hadn't. The coverage is deplorable and nobody comments on them. Often times on gameday Da Blog has over 200 one day!

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I'm with you Ghost. The other blogs I've looked at are pretty weak. Some good stuff about Chicago food/drink, but that's about it. I would expect a guy name Rock not to be able to write, but I would expect him to know football. Damn shame.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Shady -
    I agree that RT is basically callign out his whole offense - including the lack of blitz pickup by Olsen, Forte, McKie. He essentially is insulting them big time - saying apparently the plays we've put in are WAY too much for you guys to handle so we will have to simplify it.

    I say again, that's why he ran so much in the red zone - he was treating the Browns like an exhibition oppenent. They felt comfortable in leavign those poitn son the field in order to see how bad the line really was.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Jeff, exactly. I was doing the same thing w/the playcalling from home; my girlfriend actually told me to shut up because she didn't want to know what was coming. It's not that Turner is "uncreative"; it's that he runs really obvious plays out of the same formations every time, so the O-line barely has a chance to block, as the defenders know exactly where to go every time to blow up the play. Tailgating next week. Hope we can pull it out.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I'm on a bit of a rant about Tommie Harris today. What was with that 2-hand touch above the waist on the Cleveland QB? That was almost as dumb as his turnover a year or two ago. Either cream the QB or strip the ball, don't shove him like he's your long,lost brother. That play REALLY pissed me off yesterday. Thanks, now I feel better.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    That is the new Tommie Harris, you know, the one that has nothing to prove to anybody.

  • In reply to crowntheirass:

    The D looked good but considering Cleveland's O........? ST's looked good yesterday (other than 2 horrible punts by Maynard). Any time you can hold Cribbs' down, you've done a good job. The O, where to start? Turner and Hiestand have to go. The OL is truly the worst in the league. However, call rollouts, screens, draws, reverses, anything to slow down the rush. Mostly 3-step drops with the occasional 5-step (very occasional). Forget ANY 7-step drops. Anyone who questions Cutler's manhood is an idiot. I haven't seen a QB take that kind of beating since Avellini.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    One last thing. Tell Tommie Harris that unless he starts looking like an above average DT, he will be released at the end of the season. Not only is he stealing money, he's a major douchebag.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    <----- Proceed to place Ron Turner's head HERE.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I didn't get a chance to watch this game but I've seen first hand the problems on the Bears. As CanadaBear said "Turner and Hiestand have to go." That's a good start. There are man Coaches in the NFL that can do a much better job. Unfortunately we're stuck with what we have now until next season. I doubt anyone gets fired durinig the season so we have to wait and hope. That being said, the short pass attack over the middle and the long ball up the side lines must be tried and tried often. I think that's were our real Offensive strength lies. Once you gain some sucess then you can try the run sinice the defense should be spread out to allow some quick runs here and there.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ok listen up bears... I am so disgusted with our O-Line and your red zone offense this season has made me break a few things around the house. Stop leaving 20 or more points that we should have scored on the field every game, it really pisses me off. You need to focus on your goal line stands and stop trying to run up the middle... If your going to run, go to the outside or pass the ball, just please be more creative. I am also so sick of seeing our team run up the middle on first down. My 6 year old son could call better plays than Turners dumb ass. I want to see more short passes thrown. I want to see our team design more 5 yard gain plays that work every time. All we need is to keep the chains moving. I promise you it will work better than giving up a down every series to your stupid run up the middle BS that I have seen all year that hasn't worked once. The big plays will come if you scare the defense into watching for the dink and dunk.... Come on get your act together the next four weeks will not be easy. Believe it or not I still have faith that we can win our division... BEAR DOWN!

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Ron Turner cannot block. Lets put the onus on the players to block. It will make the offense look like an offense. I think most of us agree that short screens should be used more, but players need to block for any play to work.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I don't know if it's Turner's fault for calling plays that take too long to develop or Cutler's fault for holding onto the ball too long, but with this O-line it's time to switch to a quick strike passing offense. It's a great way to get into rhythm and with guys like Hester, Knox and Forte - even a speedy tightend in Olsen - we should see some yards after the catch.

    Watching Cutler dance around back their yesterday reminded me of the Grossman days; yeah, something brilliant might happen, but mostly I was cringing waiting for the inevitable sack/fumble/oh-shit-I'm-under-pressure-I-have-to-heave-it interception.

    This O-line does not allow a passer to hang in the pocket. I would love to see Turner change things up against AZ and have Cutler dice them with quick outs and slants.

    I'm not gonna hold my breath.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    So much I could say, you've all made great points. So I'll just focus on one small thing I've been thinking about for a couple weeks.

    I like GWolfe. I know he's been put in late when the D is tired, but to many other's points here, he can be used as a Sprolls type weapon to throw off the D and create some optys. Why the hell not, it can only help loosen things up for the pass and run game.

    Can that ridiculous feral-cat, it's just not Chicago Bears football, but using Wolfe for screens, shuttle passes, and some more basic misdirection could work well if mixed into a full-time shotgun/no huddle.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I fear after watching this team for the last three weeks,it has nothing to do with Ron Turner. He has tried all kinds of things and every fucking play gets blown-up at the line of scrimmage.

    All anyone has to do is watch the holes blown open for Adrian Peterson. You could run a Bison through them.When his O-line blocks like ours the result is the same as ours - shit.

    We aint winning any division this year, the Queens are MUCH better than we are. It makes me want to puke to say that but its true.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Turns out that Cleveland DC flapping his fat mouth at Cutler that I complained about in the previous thread was, Rob Ryan.

    Whay is THAT no surprise?

    Yo,Rob, go screw yourself!

    Oh, aAnd take your "Egg on my face and foot in my mouth,AGAIN" brother, Rex (he of the suddenly not so brilliant J E T S, JETS! JETS JETS!), with you!

    BTW, Ringling Brothers wants to know where you got those pants.
    They're thinking about going back under the Big Top again.

    Talk about THE BIGGEST LOSER! Has NBC called either of you yet?

    I understand JENNY CRAIG and NUTRI-SYSTEMS are fighting over the two of you. Neither one wants to have anything to do with you.

    Buddy must be SOOOO proud. I HEARD he was raising horses. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that he raised a couple of HORSES'ASSES like you two!

    But first, Rob, get a haircut! The 60's ended before you were born.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Both of those guys are the same as their Old Man. Buddy was a colossal asshole but he was our asshole. I actually like all of them. In this politically correct world it's refreshing to see those guys. They would be a lot more entertaining if they won all the time but at least you know they care.

    Go Bears!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    How about rolling Cutler out a few times before the O-line is

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    How about rolling Cutler out a few times before the O-line is convicted of accessory to murder.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    From the other thread - calling out the crowd. I've been going to games regularly for over 30 years and occasionally for about 15 years before that. The crowd takes on the personna of the expectations vs reality of the team nearly all the time.

    No energy from the crowd becuase this was clearly a no win game. They were so expected to win that was never an issue. So there was nothign to get excited about except individual situations.

    Certainly the crowd got into Hester's returns, the picks, and Cutler to Knox. Also the burst Forte showed on the TD around the right side.

    But we were quiet in singing Bear Down after the scores. Had to get excited abotu FGs that should have been TDs.

    And the booing was frustration over lack of performance against a miserable team. I will say that we probably arent' givng their D enough credit. Anything coached by a Ryan is bound to be confusing and tough regardless. But the three and outs and stupid Wildcat and Wolfe up the gut and lack of blitz pickup and checkdowns for lack of time were beyond annoying.

    Here's the thing - if the Bears are playing reasonably well against an opponent that is tough or at least on par with them, the crowd will be energized and behind them.

    If the Bears are clicking against a team that is clearly worse - they will be in a festive mood (like the Detroit game).

    But the fans can't stand lack of effort, lack of execution, poor results especially if the expectation is better. They will boo (the opposite of cheering) to show displeasure.

    The only time I hate to hear booing is when the Bears are stil in a game against a tough opponent - even if the Bears are playing bad. When all it takes is one or two drives to take the lead, there is no place for booing.

    The players have to realize they will not be cheered or encouraged by fans if they are performing well below expectations. Not for the money they are making. That's reality. If they want to be cheered unconditionally, go back to college or HS football.

  • In reply to BillW:

    you don't boo your own team. you can be pissed, you can be frustrated, you can cry for all i care. YOU DO NOT BOO YOUR OWN TEAM AT HOME. you will never convince me otherwise.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Here, here. unless it's grossman ....

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:


  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Thanks for the post MB. Walter gave 100% on every play. How many times have you yelled at the TV because a back ran out of bounds and didn't try to get the extra yards? He played like every yard mattered. I'll bet he gained a couple 100 yards in his career just by placing the ball a yard forward after almost every run. Or how he would intimidate opponents - he would lay a blow on a defender, hop off the ground, and help the defender up. You NEVER see that by a back. Or how gracious he was. He would score a TD, and either throw it in the crowd for a souvineer or give it to an OL to spike the ball. The GREATEST in soo many ways. We were all lucky to get to watch his career on a weekly basis.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Turner must go. How many timeouts did we burn yesterday because we couldn't get the plays called in to Cutler on time?

  • In reply to BillW:

    Also, Chris Chambers is now on the market. Go get him. Yes the recieving corp has stepped up quite nicely this year. But they need a big reciever, especially in the red zone. They need a guy Jay can just throw it up too.

  • In reply to BillW:

    Turner is an ARROGANT prick.

    When your line can't block for shit, repeated attempts to run up the middle in the red zone WILL fail. The playcaliing was horrible. (2nd half near the goal line).

    The red zone offense is horrible.
    If you can't score against the Cleveland fucking Browns (who pretty much gave up the season with the Edwards trade and starting Derek Anderson to save money since Brady starting all year would trigger contract payouts), then YOU CAN'T FUCKING SCORE THAT WAY.

  • In reply to BillW:

    I don't think a link to the half time Walter movie has been posted yet, so I thought I would:

    First, I'm not ashamed to say that I cried watching it.

    Second, holy beJebus necktie did you see that man (maybe 'Football God' is more fitting) run the ball? Have you seen anything like that since, anything!? Emmitt was fine, but he wasn't anything even close in reality

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Great post BillW. I don't know why, but it made me feel better about yesterday's victory.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I'm gonna go out on a big ass limb this fine monday and predict a giant sized victory for the bears over the cardinals. For some dumb ass reason i think they are going to finally pull there shit together and win one for the lovester this week. The O-Line looked a lot better in the running game this week, and i think another week without the trainwreck omayale we'll protect better next week. That coupled witht the fact that warner looked like his age this week i'm feeling good. That and i'm a giant homer. BEARSSS!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Especially if Anquan cant play this Sunday...

    I dont root for injuries, but seriously, I hope his ankle still hurts...bad...

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I like the idea of running the no huddle. Firstly, it may help to uptempo that O-line into a nice rhythm that they seem to lack right now. Second, I think JC can call at least as good a game as Ron Turner. Third, if we can sustain it through the game against the Queens, we can use it to exhaust the Fat Williams Sisters. Those guys couldn't last. One major drawback, though, would be the penalties that we would surely incur.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    Well put Jeff. Ron Turner needs to be let go. Its pretty sad when I can predict what the Bears will call 90% of the time, just to think how the opposing team's DC is doing. Bears nees to be using Forte like the Ravens are using Rice. Seems to be working great for them, why not.

  • In reply to CanadaBear:

    I predicted, accurately and to multiple people, about 75% of the play calls. Then he started the wildcat and if I were at home, I would have turned the game off.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    If you can't properly evaluate Cutler or Forte b/c of the line, then how can you properly evaluate Turner?

    It sounded like RT called out his unit after the game by saying maybe the plays he was calling were too complicated for this group and simply couldn't execute. It sounds like he's going to stick with simple until this group can figure out how properly execute the basics. Not good.

    Jeff, all of your other points are moot if the Bears can't figure out #2 (How to block someone. Anyone.)

    This problem looms larger than just this season. If the Bears can't keep their franchise upright this year, the physical and mental effects (Rex Grossman syndrome)will last beyond 2009.

  • In reply to Shady:

    This isn't the first group of Olineman and offensive players in general that RT has crapped the bed with. RT is a humongous failure. But you can't get rid of him now, in this position. He needed to go at the end of 07. It is completely unbelievable that he didn't get canned then.

  • In reply to Rancid:

    His contract is up this year. He'll be dust.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    We can only pray.

  • In reply to MASOCHR:

    Right on Dmband--I was at the game, and I definitely saw Beekman getting tossed around--horrible, but frankly, an improvement over Omiyale.

    I definitely didn't think I would be saying this about the Bears when the season began, but we seriously might have the worst o-line in the NFL. There is NOTHING, ZERO, NO PUSH WHATSOEVER on running plays. On passing plays...well, I think Jay Cutler spitting up blood pretty much says it all.

    I honestly feel like it isn't even fair to analyze Cutler with that kind of blocking. He's been outstanding in several games this season with no blocking, but you can't expect him to be successful in those kinds of conditions.

    I never thought I'd hear boos at a 30-6 victory. The best football I saw at Soldier Field yesterday was being played by Walter Payton at halftime on the jumbotron.

  • I am getting a bit sick of this double talk from the media about our QB. Last year it was the end all be all problem, we weren't going anywhere until we fixed it, screw fixing the Oline, forget about a real secondary, no we have to have a QB. Then we "fix" the QB position and don't do a lot for the line and nothing in the secondary and now they are all in shock and awe. Now all they write is how it's not Jay's fault because he has noone to throw to and no protection. But wait I thought this would fix everything.
    Our situation hasn't changed.

    2009 Bears QB after 7
    6 Cutler, Jay TDS 11 INT 11
    2008 Bears QB after 7
    8 Orton, Kyle TDS 10 INT 04

    So when Orton had 1 less TD and 7 less picks last year behind a less talented line, with less talent at WR, and under the same OC calling the same suck ass plays; the QB was definitely the issue but now with supposedly more talent on the line and at QB.. we ar worse? Did we make that trade to increase our passing TDs by 1 every seven games? And we have to give up 3 times the picks to get that 1 more TD? Im thinking all the blame has got to fall on Turner, Lovie, and Angelo at some point and if these numbers don't show that then I don't know what does.

  • In reply to dutsami:

    This is a different team from last year - with a WORSE offensive line - and Orton had thrown for another TD by this time ? So what ? You'd rather Kyle Orton was back here throwing 5 and outs ? There are a lot of problem areas on the Bears to be addressed, first string quarterback is not one of them.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    my point is more that the QB wasn't the problem to begin with. It was the line, and the secondary, neither of which got fixed but people are amazed that we are no better off.

  • In reply to IrishBearsFan:

    Way. Too. Many. Timeouts. Because. Plays. Aren't. Getting. To. The. Huddle.

  • Looking over some articles and news on the internet and such. Lot of people questioning if Chi is better off without Orton at this point in the season and why give up so much for Cutler but not use him or put adequate coaches around him. That should sit squarely on Turners shoulders, and to think he wants to scale the playbook down some more.

  • Jeff-

    Here is what I always struggle with. You pointed out 2 things that I not only agree with, but have also be yelling at the television for 7 games now. #1 and #3 above. What I get so mad at is, how can we see this so obviously as fans, yet the people that get paid handsomely apparently do not get it. Is it stubborness? Man, thats frustrating.

  • Dmband, I agree. We got this guy. Let's use this guy. It absolutely is stubborness and none of these coaches has earned the right to be stubborn about anything.

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