Owens to the Bears?

Mike Francesa just reported on WFAN radio in New York that rumors are everywhere regarding the Bills trading Terrell Owens to the Chicago Bears.  This was followed by a phone call from my brother in Jacksonville, who is apparently hearing the same rumors.

I have no idea if this is real or not but it's out there.  Let's discuss.

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  • Well, I never thought I would say this, but Im pretty sure the wide reciever position is the least of our concerns this season (i.e. offensive line/secondary)

    Not sure how bringing in a stong personality when Jay has cemented himself as the offensive leader.

    Plus, we will have destroyed our future with draft picks, assuming thats what they want.

  • I don't know any of the details but I'll tell you that Buffalo has no leverage on this and it would just be a dump.

  • can i get some credit for saying something first about this Jeff? lol

    if anything, can we make a move to bolster the O-Line (or get Omilyale off and Beekman in)

  • My guess is that those rumors just started because Greenburg and Golic were talking about it as a hypothetical this morning. He's only on a one year contract and I don't see us as being just one peice away from a championship this year , so I can't see the sense in giving up much for him.

  • Among the teams contemplating Jones are the Cowboys, Dolphins, Jets and Bears, sources said.

    Maybe a WR coming whether we want them or not.

    TO on a 1 year. What kind of pick is that worth?

  • they started yesterday afternoon @ downstate

    and my position of this is the same as before:

    now i'm not too hot about a mid round pick for him (see "volcano" and "opportunity), but i think he would give us that added hump for these reasons:

    1) he will NOT destroy the locker room. cutty would not take any shit from him (see him-urlacher, him on the field pushing anybody in his way, etc.) as well as urlacher, wale, briggs, etc.
    2) bills have a shit QB. TO over here would still force a double-team, leaving room for hester and knox on single-coverage (can you say putting up MVP numbers)?
    3) he can block downfield, helping out the run game

    dunno if it will happen, but if it does, i won't knock it. with that move (and provided T.O. gets an attitude adjustment from the Bears), it will be nice. if not, just bench him, let him go after the year, and look toward Anquan Boldin or any other #1 receivers in free agency (and bolster the line a little w/ some of those draft picks)

  • Well, if we can get him for nothing...I supoose. Still, I have a bad feeling his personality will clash with Jay.

    The upside is pretty damn good...problem is, so is the downside!

  • The only saving grace is that, and I may regret saying this, but TO understand 1 thing and 1 thing only. Money. Clearly, this year is going to go a long way to determining whether or not he gets his last semi-long term deal (maybe 2-3 years)....so he's got a LOT to prove and may be motivated based on that...

  • To be fair, he didn't do anything wrong in Buffalo. They just suck. Does he make the Bears better? Of course he does. Is that our number one need? Absolutely not. But I like the organization looking to improve more than just the areas of weakness. It shows they have their eyes on the prize.

  • And I wanted Owens nine months ago. Do I now? I actually don't know.

  • CAUTION: BEWARE OF LAND MINES.

  • There is nothing wrong with TO at this point. Sure he brings a lot of baggage based on past "big Mouth" comments to the press, etc. BUT have you heard him lately. He's not letting the press bate him and he's staying quiet, at least quiet for him.

    He is still a great WR. Knox, Hester, Bennet, Olsen and TO? We're talking a dreamteam of a receier corps for Jay to choose from. All those targets cannot be well covered on a consistant basis. No way.

    Sure I'd rather get an awesome boost to the defensive back field, but you have to grab whats out there if available when you can. If it happens great if not, no sweat off the Bear Snout.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    and don't forget: he can teach them finer points of the game (see Brett Favre/Aaron Rogers). you have a rookie, converted athlete, a WR that hasn't played much....who's like a rookie, and a TE who has a lot of potential. is everybody REALLY saying that T.O. can't teach them ANYTHING about the game? also, how many times have you heard TEAMMATES (not the media), but TEAMMATES saying he was a terrible teammate (barring all the fiascos)? if you notice, people in philly didn't say he was wrong about mcnabb. and now everybody is seeing how much he's really missed in Dallas....i say let's give it a shot (what do we have to lose really)?

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Note: Braylon can't catch. I know he's a the flavor of the morning but I'm not huge on him. Marshall was he guy...but he's proving now that he's a top three guy in the league.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Agree with Marshall's talent level but he does beat on women and gets in trouble quite a bit. Except for his maybe OD thing I have never heard of any off the field problems with TO. Boy does that media light shine bright in Chicago though. Bradley cracked in a heartbeat under it. We know that you want to win but can you shut up, do your job and support your team, even through adversity?

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Bad idea, bad idea, bad idea. First of all, I'm perfectly happy with the way our receivers have played this year. If Olsen would hang on to the damn ball on 3rd down, I think we'd have one of the better groups of receivers in the league.

    Secondly, if they want a bigger receiver, I'd like to see them activate Aromashadu, who has the potential to be a long-term solution, whereas T.O. would be temporary at best.

    Finally, I don't think his attitude would fit in on our team. I see him and Cutler clashing big-time if things don't work out. I've got nothing against the guy personally, and I think he could work as a rent-a-player for someone, but I think his presence would be a disruption to an offense that is clearly starting to gel.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    I commented the same on a different post earlier....

    HELL NO TO T.O.

    We don't need his mouth, nor the distractions he will bring. Sure, he has skills, but do the benefits outweigh the cost? I think not.

    We are not the Eagles (Vick signing), we have integrity. Let's keep it.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    yes...WOW to Marshall...but youre right that ship has sailed. TO has not proven that he can catch, lately that is...I agree with your earlier point that, if nothing else, this does show a sense of urgency in the front office...which for the love of god is refreshing.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    EXACTLY!!!! and if the move doesn't work out, you lose a mid-rounder (which hurts, but won't be the end of the world). after cutty's contract gets handled in the offseason, see how much money you have and go after a free-agency WR (w/ a strong arm like cutty, a lot of receivers will be foaming at the mouth to play with him). really, i can't see a losing end on this.

    and as for the potential locker room clash? when's the last time you heard of anybody tearing a Bears locker room up? hell has it ever happened? when CB got on his whiny, bitchy fits, we sent his ass packing. IF T.O. does that shit, we'll send his ass packing too afer the season (and won't miss a damn beat).

    really i just want some mechanics to be taught so that hester/knox/bennett can polish their skills.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    FYI... On NFL LIVE, the Four-Letter's "Professor", John Clayton says he does not expect to see a deal for T.O. to happen.

    Of course, this is the same arrogant little (supposed) insider who last year told as that Narcissus would "retire before he played for the Jets". He said that not 24 hours before Narcissus DID sign with the Jets.

  • In reply to Dmband:

    NFL Trade deadline: One week from today.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    You guys are making good points. My only counter would be that the Bears currently don't have a guy on the outside that defenses are game-planning against. T.O. would give them that. When they have to keep a safety back, the running game opens up.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Team Cancers like Owens, Bradley, Sosa, etc are NEVER worth it. Who cares about their stats when they demoralize the team? They do a lot more damage than they are worth and should be avoided at all costs.

  • In reply to pete6677:

    What about Moss in NE? That guy was a superdouche in MN and Oak.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    that's what happens when you have a QB & a coach that can actually play the damn game. when a "headcase" player goes to a team that can actually do something, funny how they straighten up (we all know Lovie, Cutty, Olin, Urlacher, Wale, and others rule that locker room; if TO were to try any shit, he'd be rocking fresh black eyes every week)

  • In reply to pete6677:

    If we were 2-2, I could see this; I just don't see Angelo screwing up the team chemistry by bringing him on board. But then again, I was utterly shocked when we moved Orton for Cutler.
    After all, who are you going to sit, and who gets dumped to make roster space?
    Hester - getting mad $ to play wideout; no way does he move down the chart
    Knox - no way does he sit unless he gets a case of the dropsies
    Bennett - would have to make room for TO; but he'd slide to 4th WR
    Aromashodu - would be a shame to lose him on waivers, but he's not getting any playing time as is

    Would TO really be OK with being in a rotation with Knox or Hester? Or even worse, being the 3rd wideout?
    I think if the Bears thought they could beat ATL with TO, and not without him, they'd bring him on. I do not see how he helps them do that. We have 3 very good TEs that can do what TO does and that our other wideouts do not.

  • In reply to pete6677:

    TO can block also.

    Maybe if we get him Olin can take him to the shooting range to make sure everybody's on the same page.

  • In reply to jdawg:

    I never get tired of hearing about that stuff with Olin. When he retires we need to keep him coaching O-line or something for that reason alone. Enforcer.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    you know that's going to happen lol. he will be a structure around halas hall for the rest of his life (and if marinelli ever leaves, you have olin right there). beautiful...just beautiful.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    More good points, guys. Love this site.

    But if you think T.O. is not lining up as a starting receiver on every down, you're nuts. Owens is a FAR BETTER player than every receiver on our roster and possesses skills that none of our receivers possess. The guy who would see his catches decrease is Earl Bennett.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    This is a good discussion.

    I still think the downside is too great with T.O. Integrity still counts.

  • In reply to sjvl:

    his integrity has never been questioned. his mouth? yes many times. his integrity? how many people have actually stood up and said "NO T.O....YOU'RE A LIAR!!" can't think of it huh?

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I meant the Bears' integrity, not TO's. I couldn't care less about his integrity, it's his attitude I can't stand.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    I started off saying an absolute 'no to TO' when this all began yesterday, and after reading all the comments here, I started to change my mind.

    But then reason set in.

    Have we forgotten the Milton Bradley disaster so quickly, Chicago fans? Do we really want that kind of mess with our beloved Bears? I mean really, with the Chicago media all over him like a cheap suit, TO will bathe in the glare of the lights and make it all about him (again). There has to be a better way.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Aroma-SHA- DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    TO is like a hooker in Thailand. You maybe thinking pleasure, but you'll be left with nasty burning sensations and blisters.

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    TO for a mid rounder is a steal and would put the bears atop the division...knox and hester running deep patterns would clear out the middle and TO's yac on quick slants would be great...the dude only wants the ball because on past teams he's been the best option...he was quiet in SF until #80 left, he was the playmaker in Philly and in Dallas we know it's QB production that has hurt them

  • In reply to FQD1911:

    Since Angelo can't do it in the draft, we need to do it in FA. T.O. handled himself very well recently when the press baited him to say something about Edwards and the Bills offense. He wouldn't bite. he's matured. I say go out and get him (he's only good for a year or two), then next year go out and get Brandon Marshall. T.O., Marshall, Hester & Knox. What a receiving corps that would be - and we've already got half of them under contract.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    I dunno - we're running alot more 3-WR sets lately, but when you already have GO, Kellen Davis, and Dez at TE, do you really need a big physical reciever on the field instead of one of them? I'd rather see two-tight end sets with Olsen and Davis on the field and the two vertical threats. TO can block, but no way does he do it better than KD, Dez....Olsen, eh, maybe.
    Not saying they don't mix it up, but someone's going to be the nominal #1 on the field every snap, and they paid alot of $ to Hester to be that guy.

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    Any team that takes T.O. will be destroyed

  • In reply to mikemuadib:

    They're shopping Brady Quinn also (per the rumor mill that gave us this TO discussion). He would be great to have as a backup QB....

  • In reply to pete6677:

    If we can trade for a low round pick and have the cap space, I don't see why not. There's more to gain then to lose.

  • In reply to Reichwolff:

    Agreed. You can only get what is available. This would definitely open things up big time for everyone else.

  • This may be a dumb comment, but if you were going to give up picks for a WR, then why not put your name in the hat for Edwards. I didnt hear the Bears express any interest in him...and he's much younger?

  • this should answer your question here nitty.

  • If it costs nothing more then a 5th round pick or higher then I say go for it. He would be the one WR other teams would need to game plan around. TO going across the middle, Hester deep down the side, Olsen down the middle of the field and Forte in the flat - the offense would be nasty and give plenty of options for Jay. I think at this point in the season its a low risk high reward play to win the championship move. Hopefully they pull the trigger but this is Chicago so hopes are not high. I really liked the idea of trading for Barber down in Tampa that Jeff brought up last week.

  • If the Bears were ever pondering at the thought of acquiring Marvin Harrison then they should go for it with TO.

    Id rather we start causing some mismatches on offense rather than depending on the opportunistic defense we have.Even in 2006 where our D was good,it failed miserably in the Super Bowl.

    Go for it Angelo!

  • which is one of the main reasons that we ended up with only one Super Bowl with one of the best assemblages of talent ever. That should have been a dynasty but personalities got in the way.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    You are *so* right.

  • I'll take one.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    DITTO!

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    So will I...but the point was that it could have been 2 or 3. Buddy motivated that D like no other and came up with the perfect scheme for the personnel. Ah well, maybe you can't have both players that get along and the fire to win Super Bowls.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Ditka did not win squat playoff-wise without Ryan. Just a fact.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    As a long time Bear Fan I say YES.. Am I a T.O. Fan, NO but I see the possibilities with this trade. T.O is a huge play maker and his addition will help a number of people on the team, here's how.

    1) Jay Cutler: We all know what Jay can do from when he was in Denver. He can easily put up 300+ yards a game IF he had a receiver who was not only quick but can go up and catch those balls.

    2) Forte: Forte is an awesome running back but he will fall under a mediocre back if the Bears passing game does not change. The Bears become too predictable with the running game so the defense will always limit him to 80 yards or so if he's lucky. At least with T.O. the defense will be stretched and you won't have as many blitzes which is good for T.O., Cutler AND Forte..

    3) Hester; Hester is an awesome kick returner but since he was promoted to WR his play load has increased to the point of taking him off his came which is returning for huge yardage.

    4) Lovie: Can you imagine Lovie salivating at the realization that he has a number of OPTIONS??? Not just looking for Hester to be this wonderful WR (he has the speed but not the height or talent to create the highlight reel plays). Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Hester but he is unfortunately relied upon too much and it has affected his game (take a look at his numbers since the superbowl).

    Bottom Line: the benefits of this move (stated above) definitely outweigh the T.O tantrums we've come to dispise.. As much as I hate to say this but I truly think T.O. is a very tough competitor and holds himself and his teammates to an extremely high standard. Is that wrong? Who knows, maybe but if it brought the Bears another championship would you really care???

    Lady Bear Fan.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Great discussion, and far more civilized on this topic than I expected. I've lived in Dallas for the past 4 years, and watched the T.O. experience here. I stated after we made the Cutler trade that I wished Dallas had just held onto T.O. until April 2nd, and we could have jump-started the offense in one day. I see week to week how the Dallas offense tries to duplicate the production T.O. brought them. He's out-spoken, brash, and a diva, but his teammates here loved him and aside from the O.D. situation a few years ago, the guy isn't a home-wrecker in the locker room. What is sick, by the way, is that he accounted for 34 FUCKIN' TD'S IN THE LAST 3 YEARS. We have the personalities on this team to keep him in line. The dimension he brings to our offense has never been seen in Chicago, period. You're talking man coverage on Hester and Knox(or Bennett), or if you play a safety to their side of the field then 6 in the box against Forte? I love Defense, and I don't have the first clue how you stop that line-up. T.O. means you CAN'T BLITZ US.....PERIOD. Think about it, you don't have the personnel to blitz us, do you? He's always on good behavior year one, and if it works he finishes his HOF career as a Bear, and that would be enough irony for me. I say do it, it will be a hell of a ride.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    I'm willing to bet that this is just a rumor gone wild. it was suggested in the media and that's where it will stay. Now, i would normally agree with myself except that i woke up one morning and Jay Cutler was our QB. Owens really doesn't fit the mold of the journeyman receiver that Angelo was stating would get in the way of the development. i know i said earlier that this reasoning would rule out any TO trade, you never know. Maybe DA and another player or draft pick to Buffalo?

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    that was a stupid comment, i'm tired and going to bed. Long live Cutty!

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Pessimistic Curmudgeon Man weighing in on the issue at hand.

    Most of you are aware that I have NOT been a proponent of signing the likes of Plex OR T.O. but... I have to admit that Matty S. makes a very compelling argument, especially in the light of what the change of scenery seems to have done for Braylon Edwards.

    PLUS, nothing helps YOUR defense like:

    1)The OTHER GUY'S defense being unable to get off the field.

    and

    2) Playing with a lead.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    By the way, Matty Southside, I began life as a Southsider.

    Mt.Sinai Hospital and a short term at 43rd Place and Halsted Street, right across the street from the Union Stockyards, the International Amphitheatre and not too far from Comiskey park.

    I can STILL smell those cows.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Bridgeport myself. Got my degree from the Ill Inst. of Tech. 31st and State. Gotta love the Southside. I used to know I was home when I could see the Robert Taylor projects looming into view headed North on 94. Ah, those were the days.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Al, I'm honored. After proof-reading my comments, I seem to have forgotten a integral piece to my arguement. Assume for a moment we line up in a 3 WR set. Owens and Hester out wide with Knox in the slot, Olsen at TE, Forte in a single back set. If you double Owens, play a Safety deep to help over the top on Hester and Knox, how in God's name can you do either of these two things:
    1. Defend the run?

    2. Cover Olsen in the middle of the field and have any chance of stopping Forte out of the flat, or both?

    The answer: You can't, trick question, Cutler hit Owens or Hester with the deep ball and we're kicking the XP. The more I think about THE T.O. SCENARIO, the better it gets. Hell, it helps our DEFENSE TOO! They can afford a mistake or two and know that the offense can put up points. That means playing more agressive, and that leads to turnovers and points. Somebody stop me, I'll be thinking about this all week and I can't miss that kind of work. We need to make this trade yesterday.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Olsen was supposed to command that type of help this year and hasn't so far. I haven't seen anything out of TO that says he's worthy of double-coverage. Remember, Lee Evans and TO were supposed to be a dynamic duo too. Now, I'm not saying Trent Edwards = Jay Superstar....but, TO is 35 and not getting any faster. He's always displayed the dropsies too. As far as being a big, tall target, the Bears already have 3 of them - Olsen has 2 redzone TDs, as does Davis...TO has one, and is averaging 3 catches a game. I'm just not thinking he's got it. If we drop Aromashadu to get him, sure, I'll live with it. But think about what his personality did to the Cowboys offensive philosophy the last three years. His prime was back in San Fran - everything since then has been drama over substance.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    And I think over the course of the season, with healthy receivers and TEs, we will see Forte start to gash teams for bigger and bigger chunks of yardage. We will really haven't seen him put up big receiving numbers yet, and when teams start dealing with the two outside WR threats, he will. Bringing in TO now just muddies things up. I want to know, out of the top 4 WRs on our roster right now, who is going to be our #1 for the next couple of years. If Knox is going to be just a complimentary player a'la DeSean Jackson, that's fine. If he's our #1 and Hester is tradebait, fine. Just let this happen at seasons end when these guys have succeeded or failed on their own. One way or another, TO will be available next spring. Do we have the patience?

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    The main reason I like the TO idea is for the dang remark by muhsin muhammad a couple years back. "Chicago is where recievers go to die" or some BS. Good point. Bears is a perfect place for TO to retire. Smith and the staff will teach him what to say in front of the camera. They have that brainwashing effect on troublemakers.

  • In reply to MattySouthside:

    Moose showed a complete lack of class AND perspective on his own career with those comments. His stats with the Bears were equivalent to all but 3 of his seasons with Carolina over the course of the approx. 40 years that he's been in the league.
    That remark was total bullshit.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    And as a FF owner saddled with Steve Smith this year, I can safely say, "Moose - your QB is a steaming pile of poopy and I hope you enjoy the paycheck, you turd-burgling Cris Carter wannabe. You suck."

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Owens should ALREADY be a Bear. So should Braylon Edwards or Brandon Marshall. But Jerry Angelo is a useless c**ks**er as if that's not obvious. He couldn't have gotten ONE receiver to go with his shiny new QB ? What a loser.

  • In reply to MikeBrownhadaPosse:

    Yeah, thinking about it, Greg Olsen disappeared off the fucking radar. We only have Hester, Kellen Davis (will be sequestered away on the sidelines this season in case he looks like a number one TE) and occasionally Johnny Knox - when he can hold on to the ball a la Bennett, Olsen etc. Forte some. We need a big black receiver. period. This man has caught more TDs than a mfkr ! Big, strong, fast - good ? Right ? Or just another dumb rumour ....

  • Makes perfect sense, actually. When uncertainty was high, an established veteran could get more money. Now, not so much. It's about the perception of how badly the Bears need someone, which most would agree is far less a need now than before the season.

  • if one of our receivers gets hurt we'll throw in Aroma. Let Dick Jauran deal with his baggage. we should grab a backup rb.

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