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The Peanut Aftermath

First, two links:

1. David Haugh doesn't think the Bears need to go the retread route.  He's possibly right, especially in terms of the Mike McKenzies and Patrick Surtains of the world.  The one player of interest might be former-Raven Chris McAlister - still a free agent.  Then again, why would a capable cornerback still be on the open market on the cusp of training camp?

2. Rick Telander, always a source of cheerfulness, writes about the wear and tear on Peanut's body after six over-achieving seasons in the NFL.  I've always had a love/hate relationship with the Nut, ever since his movie reviews appeared Da Site during his rookie campaign.  Tillman is capable of the brilliant (see: Randy Moss, endzone) and the disaster (see: Bernard Berrian, left sideline) and often both on the same play.  But I'll miss the day 33 is not starting at corner for the Bears.

Ah, the commentary:

Nathan Vasher now becomes the defense's most attention-worthy player in training camp.  Don't worry about the pending battle between Tru McBride, Corey Graham, Zack Bowman and D.J. Moore that will surely take up newspaper space for the next two weeks.  The difference there will be negligible.  If Ballhawk can return to his 2005, 2006 form, then the defensive backfield will withstand the hopefully-short absense of Peanut.  But Nate hasn't played more than half a season in two years and hasn't tackled well when he has played.  So with inexperience at both safety spots and the opposite corner, expecting The Great Nate Reversion of 2009 may have fool's gold written all over it.

In other words...get well soon, Peanut.
 

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  • Cause for concern on Tillman. Let's hope he heals like a champ and that Vasher plays up.

    There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest in McAllister at this point from anyone else.

    On another DB note:
    http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=5951

    Daniel Manning to start over Steltz? It's only camp, but still news.

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  • In reply to Sarcastiholic:

    Except for 2 seasons ago, I think the positives have outweighed the negatives for Peanut. Yeah, the Berrian play was a killer, but nobody strips receivers better.

    McCallister? Point well taken. Like Amani Toomer and Marvin Harrison, why is he still available at this point in time? Enjoyed watching him play here at U of Arizona but he has had a LOT of trouble staying healthy the last 2 or 3 seasons and I believe is but a shadow of his former pro-bowl self.

  • In reply to Sarcastiholic:

    Derrick Bowman? Zach Bowman.

    I'm not sure why, but I feel pretty good about our depth at the CB position. Graham has started a few afternoons for the Bears and has shown the ability to be a physical difference maker in the Bears secondary. Bowman has also impressed me personally for the gutsy play he made against Minny picking the ball of with a shredded bicep. Obviously not having Peanut on the field would mean the unit is not running at full strength, but I feel our young backups have a ton of potential to succeed in this system and I'm actually rather excited to see if they can impress in camp and preseason. I think the experiment with Graham at S was a short one because the depth he provides at corner is now just as important if not more important than trying to force him into a position he may not feel entirely comfortable or confident yet. I think the idea of moving CG to S was a good one because of his physical play, but I'm not sure this staff was thrilled about his coverage and awareness skills along with his mediocre speed at the last line of defense. Without Tillman on the field, this unit loses a lot of speed in the secondary. If you remember the few times Minny's AP ran all over the Bears D, Tillman was one of the only guys who could actually keep up with Purple Jesus as he was running wild. Moving Manning back to S could be a move to replace the speed that would be lost with Peanut on the bench. Granted, seeing D. Manning back at S again brings up some bad memories, but hopefull the speed and explosiveness he shows during kick returns can translate to defense. We'll see. But for now, the more competition at S the better.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Agreed on Zack Bowman, very impressive in his 1 game last year. Very injury prone though so far. If he stays healthy, who knows how good he'll be.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Does anybody but you and me know who Roosevelt Taylor was, Al? I should would like Chris Harris back though. The trading of Thomas Jones and the release of Chris Harris (in favor of the Amazing Adam Archuleta) was the official end of the 2006 Super Bowl Bears.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Agreed... plus letting Ron Raveria go. Why would you want to retain the DC of a defense that ranked 1st and 5th in 2005 and 2006, respectively? Three really bad decisions we are still paying for.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    The real question is... if our D regresses, and we don't make the playoffs... does Lovie Smith get fired?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Fired? No. Hot seat? Yes.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Yes I think he does. I don't see them keeping him on with Homgren, Shanahan, Cowher and Gruden coming back.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I agree Jeff. He put himself on the hot seat this season when he took over defensive responsibilities. If we miss the playoffs, and the D looks bad in the process, I can't see him keeping the job.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    I third this...Lovie is gone if no playoffs this year.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Max, hard to get outraged. Is Steltz a better option? And don't blame Danieal for the defensive collapse against Houston. Nobody played well in the game. I think 0-3 out of the gate is just being negative for negative's sake.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    I don't think it is out of the realm of possibility with anybody on the roster playing the spot. That being sad, 3-0 is also possible. Speculation on roster decisions before camp just leads to angst. Wait and see how the month plays out.

  • In reply to JimmyNewport:

    Well...when is Lovie ever right?

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Lovie gets no respect from anybody but his players.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    i was just watching Sportsnite and they were playing clips of Hester from last year running routes and I had forgotten how ridiculously fast and explosive he is. If he has developed a bit from last year he is going to be sick

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    The last coach we said that about, Shady, was Jauron. I'd prefer a coach that gets no respect from players and wins a title.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Jauron coached the Bears for five seasons (1999

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Bobby Wade was among the Top Ten WORST Bears of all time. I'm always amazed he is still employed. It just reminds me of how bad Minnesota actually is...having people like Wade start for them.

    He can't say that about my quarterback! That's my quarterback! *tears* That's my quarterback!

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Gotta go with Cowher over any of them. Gruden has an evil scowl but will end up as the Cowboys new coach next year. Cowher has the Grabowski mustache and is more than capable of staring a wildebeest into submission.

    Manning as the starting FS into camp doesn't mean that he will still be the starter in September. I think there's going to be a lot of shuffling for the DBs this year and will not be surprised to see Steltz start a few games.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Looks like you've got some competition here Jefe:

    http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/jay-cutler-superstar/

  • In reply to Shady:

    Really? A blog just devoted to Jay Cutler?

    How cute.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Who?

    http://espn.go.com/chicago/columns/blog?post=4365136&name=dickerson

    Matt JONES.

  • In reply to Shady:

    6'6 young and fast, just coming into his own as a receiver, hasn't killed anyone or anything yet...
    It would be a shame for him to end up on another team when we obviously need help. Much different situation than Plax or Marshall. Some would say we wouldn't risk him because we got rid of Benson for the same reason but secretly the bears were handed a reason to get rid of Benson and Jones may acutally be able to contribute. I think Jones realizes how close he came to really ruining his career so i'm predicitng nothing but good behavior from him for at least 3 years.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Let's stay in the here and now folks and stop dreaming that any prosepective replacement for Lovie Smith would be the likes of Cowher, Holmgren, Shanny or Gruden. These are all NFL Head coaches with Super Bowl wins on their resumes who will command TOP DOLLAR wherever they land next. You can be sure that the next Bears head coach, whenever that may be, will be an assistant of some sort, NOT
    somebody with "former NFL head coach and Super Bowl Winner" as part of his desription. I am repeating myself to the regulars here but newcomers should be advised, the ONLY time in almost 90 years of operation the Bears have hired a head coach with experience as an NFL Head Coach and a Championship to his credit was when George Halas would re-appointed himself as head coach following one of his several hiatuses from the job. That's it. That's the list. Jim Dooley and Abe "complete disaster as head coach" Gibron were Bear assistants. Neil Armstrong, Jack Pardee, Ditka, Wanny and Jauron were all first time head coaches and remember, DA COACH wasn't even a COORDINATOR when Papa Bear signed him.

    By the way, I think it is worth pointing out that Bill Cowher didn't get the Steelers to a Super Bowl until his 4th season, 1995. Lovie did it in 3. Cowher then went TEN YEARS before he got them there again and won it in 2005. Along the way he enjoyed a stretch of 7-9, 6-10 and 9-7 consecutive non-playoff seasons and was eliminated from the playoffs AT HOME on FIVE occassions! The guy is an excellent coach, but he does not walk on water and even if he did, the McCaskeys are NOT going to cough up the cash to land anybody of his stature.

    Yay! It's TRAINING CAMP EVE!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    AL when you spit out knowledge like that i feel like a really inferior blogger...which i admit i am. I was researching bears coaches 2 days ago and noticed as you just mentioned that Halas would just re-appear from time to time to win a ton of games and then would Houdini out of there for a little R and R.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I've said all off-season that Matt Jones makes sense for this team at this time, I hope we don't wait too long to pick him up or end up in some stupid bidding war for his services. Defensively, DM does scare the hell out of me, and I agree that Steltz isn't quite what I thought he'd be coming out of LSU after that Nat'l Championship season. If Vash can step up, and we can get something out of our young guys we should be able to put together a unit that can succeed behind our stout front 7.

    I've always respected Lovie as a head coach, even if I think he could be a more emotional leader. That being said, if we don't do some magical shit this year, he's gone and the logical replacement is Shanahan because of his relationship with JC. I don't think money will be an issue, because Shanahan knows we have his QB, and he could do special things on offense with Forte, Olsen and Hester.
    The real issue is who comes in as DC? That could make or break us for years. I hope these are non-issues when we're hoisting the Lombardi Trophy in February, but they were rattling around in my head. Here's to having actual football to talk about after tomorrow!! Bear Down.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Johnny C, I don't pretend all these facts just flow from my enormous brain, but believe me, it was SOBERING to have to live/suffer thru the Gibron years

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Have to wonder how Papa Bear would fare these days. I do not believe an owner can hire himself as head coach anymore. I know that is true in Baseball and you gotta figure if it were not true of the NFL, Jerra Jones would have hired himself long ago!

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    i don't think he would fare well in today's game. it is too much of a business now and i don't think his negotiation style -"shut up and play the game"-would go over well with some of the players in the league.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    I was in HighSchool during the mid 90's so i really don't have any fond or lasting memories of the Bears. Maybe that was because my friends and I discovered 2 cases of canadian club whiskey in my parents basement in 1993 that had been long forgotten about. The only memories i have from childhood regarding the bears were monday night games in the church basement on a projection screen always losing to the Redskins and Art Monk. I don't even know why i have no real memories since I love Football and have played it all of my life. My love affair with the Bears really started with the drafting of Urlacher and Mike Brown in 2000. I think we all get so fired up now because we EXPECT the Bears to compete every single season. We feel that there is no excuse now to revert to the 4-12 days of Wanny or Dick Jauron or even the 9-7 season we just had. Jonathan Quinns, Moses Morenos or Chad Hutchinsons are no longer acceptable. We have a team that has the ability to get to the playoffs every year and we have young talent as well heading into the future.

    We can all pick apart and find areas that the bears need to improve, i still bitch occasionally about Manning, Payne, etc but this team has less holes than the team that went to the superbowl such a short time ago. The truth is that We have a QB that can win/not manage games. He can make receivers better. We have 2 awesome running backs, 2 awesome tight ends, the most electrifying player in the league, depth at O-line, depth at D-line, quality corners, depth at LB, Good as Gould, one of the better punters in the league, a great new kick returner...even our f**king long snapper is awesome. If fans come out strong this year we can make it hard for teams to play in Chicago. The only glaring weakness is free safety which will NOT ruin our season as long as the other guys come to kick ass every week.

    With one day to the start of the dance we have to be excited at our chances to not only win the division, but to make the playoffs...and we all know that anything can happen in the playoffs. BEAR DOWN.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I still can't beleive that bobby wade is already talking shit about the beloved... I mean b-wade only caught, let me think...0 receiving TD's in three years while he played for the Bears... Let him talk shit and watch BU break his back coming across the middle!!
    Enough said about Bubby wade.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Also Jeff... gotta believe that the bears would go for Cowher but will probaly end up w/Shanny. More than likely it will be Gruden because of the Tampa 2 and his evil Soldier Field Scowl.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Coach Smith is in the hot seat right now, and has been since February 5, 2007. The seat keeps getting hotter and hotter the longer the Bears do not win the division and go to the playoffs. Plus, he no longer has any excuses. He is calling the defensive plays. He is personally coaching defensive players. He just got one of the best quarterbacks in the league. The head coaching job is a pressure cooker in Lake Forest.

    Jeff is damn right. Smith won't hold a candle to veteran coaches who are/will be on the market come next offseason.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I would take Lovie Smith over 3 of those 4 coaches.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Anybody hear about what Bobby Wade said today on MN talk radio?

    He said that he saw Urlacher in Vegas and he asked him about Cutler. Then Wade said that Urlacher called Cutler a pussy. I don't know what to think about that, I hope it's something like they're friends or something and he's giving him shit, but it's probably Wade just sturring up some crap.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Bobby Wade is going to get his block knocked off a couple times this year for saying that.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    And didn't BU say the same thing about his own son?

    Whatever. The guy doesn't like anybody. Especially QBs. Even the one on his own team.

    OK so maybe he likes Jay Glazer and Fox Sports, but that's about it.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Well I guess this is over before it started:

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-30-bears-urlacher-jul30,0,5380020.story

    Funny how word gets around so fast these days with all this facebooking/myspacing/blogging/twittering stuff.

    ``Oh please. I don't think I would ever say that about one of my teammates," Urlacher told the Tribune. ``Look, Bobby Wade's a friend of mine. He's trying to get things going before training camp. That's just Bobby being Bobby. I'm pretty sure Jay knows I wouldn't say that about him."

    ``I didn't even practice," Urlacher said, referring to a minor groin injury that limited his participation. ``If anything, I called him a few names for zipping balls by my head with that cannon he has. Me having to be restrained? That's funny."

    Over before it started.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Bobby Wade is a pussy. A big hairy pussy with braids. Merkin.

    Here is my unpopular opinion on the whole D. Manning over Stelz thing. Good. Stelz is like a younger, slower more mullet heady verson of adam arch. I have to concur that D. Manning does lack pure football insticts, but he is the best option that we have at saftey right now. Who knows, maybe all of that 1 on 1 Lovie action that DM has been receiving the last few years will help him out. Didn't DM start at safety in 2006 after Mocha Mike Brown went down? He's had to have improved from then, and we still made the SB, with Grossman, not JC at QB.

    ...stop being so fucking negative! Camp starts tomorrow, we have the best team we've had in years. Bitches.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    They have said that as of right now Manning will be starting FS and will move to Nickel in those packages and Steltz will take over at FS. So... that is a bad idea in about 4 ways:

    1.) Manning is awful at FS, only 2 games that come to mind where he started at FS are the Superbowl in which he blew cover on Wayne and the Houston game in 08 in which he blew cover again. So we are 0-2 with him at FS? Promising.

    2.) The reasoning for putting Graham in the mix at FS was to have our best DBs on the field at all times.. so now even if Manning manages to learn how to play FS, Graham will not see the field barring injury.

    3.) It will be hard anough to teach this mental midget how to play FS without him having to worry about when he is playing FS and when he is playing nickel.

    4.) Did I mention he sucks at FS?

    This is hopefully just a ploy to get everyone to stop worrying about the WRs so much; the old hit you in the finger with a hammer so your toe doesn't hurt so much trick.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    *enough

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    did i mention that bobby wade is big hairy vagina?

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    The combo of Manning and Payne will be sensationally bad this year. Our D line and Linebackers will make up for some of it and our corners will take some of the pressure off as well. There will be times though that Daniel "Forest Gump" Manning and Kevin "the unguided missle" Payne will make us shake out heads in disbelief that we didn't address this problem in the offseason.

    I'm still predicting 11-5 and the playoffs but oh my god, are those 2 going to make it stressful.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    i wish this site had spell check

  • In reply to Shady:

    I meant to say, "I sure would like Chris Harris back though." Ahem.

  • In reply to Shady:

    Did you guys know that Roosevelt Taylor is still alive and well? Maybe I should try and get an interview with him.

  • In reply to Sarcastiholic:

    Derrick Bowman is a hell of an actor though.

  • In reply to Sarcastiholic:

    Another sign that the apocalypse is upon us...
    Let me get this straight. One of the least defensively instinctual football players in the league is slated to be our starting Free Safety AGAIN this year? Steltz was so slow and lacked so much range that he lost his job to Manning?

    For all of the incredible things that happened in this offseason we have actually just regressed further as a team and at Defensive Back. This has nothing to do with Peanut either because Graham lost his job to Bowman.

    I am not a total curmudgeon and am famous among my friends for giving credit where credit is due:

    -when you tell Daniel Manning what to do, similar to Forest Gump, his pure athletic ability shines through and he makes plays. Things like running back a kick or blitzing a pre-determined gap.
    -when Daniel has to rely on football instincts, reads, etc he becomes a one of the worst defensive players i have ever seen.

    I am a bit frustrated that we got rid of Chris Harris for this guy, let Mike Brown go because Steltz was supposed to step up, and now Daniel Manning is once again starting in front of everyone else because Steltz apparently didn't cut it. Is Daniel secretly related to Lovie? Is he marrying into the McCaskey family? Does he have proof of an affair between Brett Farve and Chris Berman?What is this guy's secret to always stumbling into the job of STARTING FREE SAFTEY OF THE MOST STORIED FOOTBALL FRANCHISE IN HISTORY? Please don't say defensive ability...I feel like i'm in the twilight zone.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    I think we traded Chris Harris because we had Ricky Manning Jr, not Daniel Manning. Either way, the trade of Harris for a 4th round pick (because we had the great adam archuleta as #1 on our depth charts) will go down as one of the most retarded moves in the history of the Lovie Smith era.

    I dont know what pisses me off about AA most. His terrible, slow, play on the field. The fact that he got paid several million dollars for it. Or the fact that his wife is probably one of the hottest women alive. I guess he must be doing something right.

    anyway i digress...Harris is a gamer now for the panthers, and we have no solution at S. All this Jay Cutler hype is going to be useless if out D can't stop shit QB's from looking like Joe Montana. I hope they come up with something to improve the secondary. I doubt Manning is that something.

  • In reply to Sarcastiholic:

    What is this nested comment you speak of, and how do I use it?

    In response to Johnny, like I said, I believe this move is to add more speed and athleticism to the secondary. Steltz is a heady player, just doesn't have the range and athletic ability of a D. Manning. If you put Steltz's brain in Manning's body, we have an answer to the safety position.

  • In reply to Shady:

    i want him to do well. i want him to grow as a player as Lovie commmands us to believe he has. It's like being physically abused and Daniel tells us it won't happen again. He was stressed from work, hammered off of tequila, he'd never hit us if he was sober. Lovie is like the police officer that doesn't believe our story...and next thing you know we end up in some drainage ditch in Joliet.

    Shady, we can put a man on the moon but we can't transplant Steltz's brain into Manning's freakishly athletic body? Why do i even bother paying taxes?

  • In reply to Shady:

    Maybe we should see what Roosevelt Taylor's doing these days?

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