I'm Vick as a Dog

Scooter was a miniature dachshund and the kind of dog little kids dream of having.  She used to umpire wiffle ball games between my brothers and I in our Kearny, New Jersey driveway.  I'm a dog lover because of Scooter. 

Now Mike Mulligan wants the Chicago Bears to sign Michael Vick.  And it makes sense.

Before my valiant readers ascend upon their highest of high horses, answer the following questions.  (1) Do the Bears have a capable backup quarterback on the roster?  (2) Is Vick a three-time Pro Bowler available for peanuts? 

The dog lover in me wants Vick to flounder in the anonymity of the Arena League and fade into obscurity.  The playwright in me wants to believe in redemption for all human beings, specifically when that redemption can resoundingly benefit the Chicago Bears.  It looks like Vick won't be a factor until the sixth week of the season and, even then, he'll become nothing more than an insurance policy on the health of the Bears' most important asset - Jay Cutler.  That is unless he's able to adapt to a slash/receiver-type role and becomes the cure for two of the team's most pressing ails.

Let PETA picket on Lake Shore Drive.  I'll take sixty thousand football fans over three dozen vegetarians any day of the week.  From a football standpoint, this decision makes sense.  More sense for the Chicago Bears than any other club in the league.  PR problems are only PR problems when teams lose.  PR problems get buried behind "News of the Weird" when you make the playoffs.      


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  • Why not? I say it's worth a try for any team. I don't see how Vick could hurt much by sitting on the bench and if he does come ready to play, then you got him.

  • i have made mistakes in my life as well. The main difference is that my "mistakes" were innocent and not premeditated based on savagery and money. Vick is a scumbag and his actions are deplorable on every level whether you are a tree hugger or not. I can't teach my little nephews and cousins one way to act towards people and in society and then allow that type of premeditated, brutal and selfish behavior to go on just because he is a gifted athlete.

    This guy did his time i guess and should be allowed to play. I just don't want it to be on my team no matter how good he is. Bring back Peter Tom Willis!

  • Reading the title of the post I thought this was going to be about how big of an idiot Mully is, but it turns out the idiot is you my friend. Really Jeff? C'mon.

    Not only does this not make sense from a moral/ethical standpoint, but it doesn't make a lick of sense from a football standpoint either. I'd go into detail about how stupid this idea is, but really all I can say is this:

    Caleb Hanie will have a better career in the NFL than Michael Vick will from here on out.

  • Caleb Hanie has yet to take a single snap in an NFL game and was an undrafted free agent. Why do we go gaga over these non-entities?

    Vick isn't a great quarterback but he improves the position. As for the moral grounds, I don't have the luxury of judging others. Some of you seem to relish that opportunity. I don't. I believe he went to jail.

    As for cousins and nephews, why don't you let their parents do that? You seem to have no problems with linebackers wrecking cars and leaving the scene? Children with various women?

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    If lance would have systematically had his groupies raped and had them engage in vicious fights to the death for money i would agree with you. Having consensual sex with women and not wearing a condom is unintellignet but probably not on the same level. Agree?

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    and one more thing motherfucker. as an adult member of a family with little kids that look up to me i think it may be a good idea to practice what you preach. Whether they are my kids or my siblings makes no difference. Their parents teach the kids, i help reinforce the concepts through my actions and when i get to spend time with them.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I agree, Julie. Unfortunately others believe that jail is no longer enough. They believe a life-long stigma is warranted.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Just because I believe Hanie will have a better future than Vick doesn't mean I believe Caleb is going to be the second coming of Sid Luckman, it just means I have no faith that Michael Vick will ever make it to the NFL again. Teams realize whatever benefit that may come from having this man without a position on their team will be severely outweighed by the PR nightmare that will follow. While it might cost "peanuts" to sign him, the cost of having to deal with the circus that follows him around is not worth what any team would get in return.

    The fact is Vick wasn't a good QB when he left the league, and there's no way 2 years in prison helped him in any way. So after a couple years in prison we assume he's going to be ready to redeem himself and will somehow be a better football player? In Chicago?? Please tell me you remember how Vick shriveled up like a raisin when he played at Soldier Field in late December.

    While I'm all for giving people 2nd chances, I'm not about doing it at the expense of my beloved Chicago Bears.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Pets are a polarizing issue in the US - for good and ill.

    Vick to the Bears would have some positives as outlined in the Mulligan article but it also seems to be a direct contradiction to the stance coming out of Halas Hall (on occassion) in regards to the actions of the players. Tank Johnson anyone?

    It will be interesting to see how the patronage of Tony Dungy plays out into this scenario less we forget about his other disciple, Coach Lovie Smith.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    From a football persepective, Vick would be an incredible backup. I live in Colorado Springs and went to the last Broncos-Bears game in Denver back in 2003 -- Chris Chandler got injured and Kordell Stewart came in and led the Bears to the win. Stewart just kept rolling out, finding running room and picking up 10 yard gains. That was the Bears whole offense. The Broncos were the better team and probably missed the playoffs that year because of the Bears loss. They hadn't prepared for seeing rollouts and scrambles like that. They game-planned all week for Chandler. Again just commenting from a football persepective, Vick would rock as a backup. Should Cutler go down in the middle of a game, all the sudden teams are completely unprepared for the rushing threat of Vick, who's obviously the best there's ever been in that dimmension of the game. I think I like Caleb Hanie - who knows? - but he's a third string project at this point. And anything Vick would add from a Wildcat or Slash role (which he was born to play) would be a hefty bonus, a game-changing bonus.
    From a moral standpoint, good comments by Cubbiejulie, and I love the line, "I'll take 60,000 football fans over 3 dozen protesters."

  • In reply to FullbackDive1:

    If you're actually hoping Vick could be the next Kordell Stewart God help us all.

  • oh, and by the way, he did his time because he got caught. He would have continued to engage in this behavior if it hadn't got so ridiculously out of hand.

    Example: Getting drunk and driving once is a bad thing and hopefully nothing terrible happens. Doing it every weekend and eventually killing someone speaks to an addiction or systemic problem. In this case, Vick has an systemic problem with being a scumbag wannabe banger and that behavior has no place in the game and especially on the Bears...maybe the Raiders. This also speaks to a larger social problem that we don't need to get into on this blog. Thus endeth the lesson.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Good thing your cousins and nephews don't vist dabearsblog.com, unless you're OK with modeling that kind of language to them.

  • In reply to FullbackDive1:

    i'm at a loss for words at the irrelevance of that comment Fullback Dive . After seeing some of the kinds of talk that can sometimes occur on this blog you take offense to someone making a point, being mocked and defending himself, albeit in a frustrated fashion?

  • In reply to FullbackDive1:

    What about Michael Vick impresses you so much? Is it how he has never had more than 20 touchdowns in six NFL seasons? How he is at best a mediocre passer (which I think is the main job of a quarterback, but I could be mistaken)? How you yourselves have fallen into the media hype which has sent Vick to 3 undeserved Pro Bowls? Is it how the Atlanta Falcons really only had one good season with Vick at the helm?

    Plus, as Shady dilligently points out, Vick was mediocre two years ago and hasn't taken a single snap for 2 1/2 years. I honestly doubt Vick threw a football during his prison sentence and the many weeks leading up to it. Who knows what this idiot is going to be capable of.

    Jeff, this summer you seem to have wanted to hire anybody at every position which might improve it over the short term regardless of who the person actually is. I'm sorry to call you out, man, and I know you write a lot of this stuff to inspire conversation and debate, but I strongly disagreed with Plaxico Burress, and I strongly disagree with Michael Vick.

    It's a moot point anyway. The Bears cut Tank Johnson. The Bears cut Cedric Benson. The Bears didn't appear to make an effort for Brandon Marshall. The Bears will NEVER sign Michael Vick.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Amen, Ghost, amen.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Strictly on a football basis, Vick does not help the Bears become a better football team.
    The guy was a barely 50% passer when he was in his "prime".
    He has the football IQ of Warren (from "Something about Mary").
    Warren could at least tackle. We don't have any idea that Vick could - so what's the point of bringing him in for special teams?
    He has no moral authority among his team-mates.
    He has not played pro football in nearly 3 years, and unless they were putting together a theatrical production of "The Longest Yard" in Leavenworth, he hasn't done a whole hell of a lot OUTSIDE of a pro context.
    Even without his accuracy issues, he tended to shove the ball, not pass it. His velocity was questionable.

    Was he quick? Yes.
    Was he elusive? Yes.
    Was all of this in the past tense?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    I think the Vick thing is small potatoes, although its gotten a lot of attention in todays post, the real issue has been the major off season issue, since we got JC and that was when we still had peanut, now peanut is undergoing surgery and

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    and this should be a major worry.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    How many of us think that a revitalized BU, newly signed Tinoisamoa and Defensive line with good coaching is going to solve our secondary enough to lose Peanut.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    i have to believe that Peanut will be ready. we really need Vasher, Peanut, Graham and safeties to be named later to show up big time this year. If we bring 2006 style front 7 pressure we will be ok. if not...death. (death = 9-7)

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Mulligan raised the point on the WildCat too. It would be an interesting dynamic to bring in but I also wonder how much assimilation the team is going to be able to handle in one year - new QB, new (practically) offensive line, new WR's, new DL/DB coaches, Lovie calling the plays...

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Julie - Lifelong stigma's tend to attach themselves to people in the spotlight that behave so incredibly stupid or arrogantly that they actually deserve the stigma. People that seemingly have EVERYTHING that they could ever want yet choose to put themselves in situations that involve disasterous consequences. These people almost always get a second chance unless they kill a human being or are Senator Kennedy. Almost everyone out there agrees that Vick should get a 2nd chance. There are some that just don't want it to be on our team. There are other teams in the league that will give him that opportunity.

  • In reply to hollywood1:

    Haha. Good call.

  • Agreed. But when and where can we take a stand then?

  • Again,I'm not arguing that they're going to do this. The players I've wanted to sign:

    Jay Cutler. Check.
    Pisa. Check.
    Brandon Marshall, Torry Holt, Terrell Owens, Plax. (Still want all four of them.)

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Totally random and off-topic - but is there anyway you can load the old archives from the original site to this one? Occasionally I like to go back and read what's been said as early as 2005 on this site. Just wondering if those pages have been lost forever or not.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    I saw no reason for the use of "motherf...." in responding to Jeff. You make valid points and then devalued them by going scatalogical.

    As for Michael Vick, while I subscribe to the "he's already served a 32 game suspension courtesy of the Federal Prison System" line of thought, I also understand the NFL doesn't want Vick to be the main story on opening day, 2009.

    There was some feeling on the sportstalk airwaves today that the Bears could actually be a possible destination for Vick, because of the Tony Dungy connection. Since Dungy has been counseling Vick,it's natural to assume he could be recommended to one of Dungy's former assistants. Lovie in Chicago and Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh were both mentioned.

    While the ASPCA seems satisfied with Vick' punishment and repentance, I'm not sure that the Harpies, er...PETA has.
    The decision to sign Vick will not be left to a GM or team President but to an OWNER. An owner likely to have other holdings and who may have concerns that more than just his football team will face the wrath of Vick protesters.

    Michael Vick as a Bear? I'm with Ghost and Shady. He now admits he never worked at being an NFL QB and just skated by on his athletic ability. The dogfighting aside, he ran with the same kind of crowd that has put Pacman Jones career in limbo. And, let's not forget Michael against the Bears in 2005. The game where Rex came off the bench, rallied the team and beat the Falcons 16-3. It was a typical, bitter cold, December 18 evening in Chicago. Vick was a lusty 13 of 32 for 122 yards and 2 INTs in that game and it was OBVIOUS to me and the fans I was watching with that Michael Vick had little or NO desire to be playing in those conditions. I don't see him a worthwhile risk for the Bears.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Shady, we can't load them onto this site but we're workin on a way to do so. (To be honest, I'm not even sure how to get a hold of them myself. Noah knows.) We're keeping them off of here because everything pre-Trib is owned exclusively by us.

    By the way all, I'm loving this debate. Other groups of fans would allow this argument to be coarse and crass but you guys are making solid points.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Not sure if this is related or not, but favre looks to be staying out of the NFL... For now.

    Vick to the Vikings. A Bears fan can only hope.


    I was really hoping he was going to the Vikes too, it would have helped our secondary out so much with all of those air balls. Damn.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    It's official....Brett Favre will not be a Viking. Bring it on Taverus.


  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    first off, Jeff, i apologize that i used a profanity in my comments. I truly disagreed with your unusually obtuse response to me. You are normally a level head and present a valid opinion but that comment directed to me was similar to what a Vikings fan would give us. You and I are both better than that and it won't happen again.

    Max, the hard part about this is the issue of intent, the action and the consequences. Stallworth killed that hardworking father who was heading to work as Stallworth was finshing up an awesome night of partying like we all have done. Vick and others who exhibit a pattern of knowingly engaging in blatantly illegal and sociopathic behavior have to be put in a different category. Stallworth should never play another down again in his career for killing that guy. Vick should never play for the Bears for being such an idiot. Vick didn't kill a human being and even though his actions make us scratch our heads in amazement of how another top flight athlete with skill and money to burn could act like the dregs of society, it doesn't mean he should be kept from making a living. The Bears are just better off without him for that reason and for the valid football based opinions that were illustrated by other blog members.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Vick hasn't played since 2006 and his career passer rating index peeked in 2002. He's shown no ability to improve, and combined with the layoff, there's no reason to believe he would be better than the current backups.

    He's a also a miserable human being who would be a huge distraction.

  • In reply to JimH:

    Short and sweet. Very nice.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    HOLY HELL! I have an inch and a half of respect for Brett Favre now. Tavaris Jackson is Minnesota's Rex Grossman...with less raw talent.

    The NFC North is OURS!

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    So "Narcissus" says "No"? HAH! That scrambling sound you hear is Viking Head Case, er, Coach, Brad Childress, DESPERATELY trying to do damage control with some pablum about what an HONOR it was to be jerked around by his Brettness. Still, I'll believe he's done when he's not under center come oepning day.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Hey Jeff,

    Just wanted to let you know I'm in jersey as well "North Bergen" I have a few friends in Kearny but they are all giants fans........nice to see I'm not the only one around here

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    No to Vick, interesting idea, that's it. Johnny IMO, I cant understand how you make such great posts, but with two comments you blow it. One, the mf was stupid in this case, maybe better in a drinking debate. Then secondly, your sort of apology seemed to include jeff as if he said something wrong, I didnt think so. He just stated his opinion.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    what can i say Shonbear? I got all fired up and called out Jeff on what i believe was a terrible comment after a pretty thougthful comment on my part. My personal feelings about the state of our society bled over to this debate on Vick and i let Jeff's comment get to me. My apologies all around including Jeff.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    Will you motherfuckers get over it?

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    best comment of the day Ghost

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Ghost, would you be mad at me if i resurrected the Mike Brown debate at this time? Just kidding, no more controversy! I can feel you glaring at me through my computer right now.

    I know we are thin at safety but maybe the kids will come through for us this year. OR...Let's see if Idonije can play strong safety.

  • In reply to TheGhostofHalas:

    Earl's most recent major injury came in 2007 during preseason when Bears running back Cedric Benson ran him over in a game at Houston. Earl suffered a torn Lisfranc ligament.

    That is called Irony.

  • In reply to shonbear:

    Brett Favre coverage on NFL Total Access on NFLN is getting nauseating. Very sullen mood among the analysts now that "Favre Watch" is at an end.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    "Knock, knock"

    "Who's there?"


    That's just Brad Childress pounding his head against the wall of his office."

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Childress probably feels more used than the toilet at your local Taco Burrito.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    Wow Jeff it's almost like Rex is back given how hot this thread has gotten!
    Anyway I'm in the camp that thinks Vick did his time and deserves a chance to play somewhere.... Just not in chicago.
    I think it would be incredibly dumb to pass on Plax for character issues and then pick up Vick. Vick is a luxury Ron Turner wouldn't know what to do with. And if we want to start playing with wild cat formations we should start with Hester. Anyway Burress is a player that could put us over the top and well worth the risk. Vick is not. There are actually much better backup qb's on the market right now if that continues to be a concern. Including, and I can't believe I'm writting this, Brian Griese.

  • In reply to Albertintucson:

    More important than theoretical quarterback signings and washed-up former Packers retiring...

    The Bears' secondary just got thinner. Glenn Earl has retired.


  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Sincere condolences to the family of Eagles DQ, Jim Johnson who passed away today.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    OK, Plaxico proponents, not only is the New York D.A. going after Burress with a vengeance, demanding 2 YEARS jail time, but they are now going after teammate Antonio Pearce for stashing the gun! I'm repeating myself, but neither of those guys is good enough to catch passes or make takles from behind bars.

  • In reply to JeffHughes:

    Some great points made here. I am in agreement with Jeff but not for all the same reasons. Frankly, I would invite Vick to camp to see if he can fit into a roll that will add another layer to our offensive attack. It would be a waste to bring him in soley as a backup qb....heck, why deal with the PR nightmare if he's just a bench player. But...if he can play a slash role like the steelers version of Kordell Stewart than we add an extra threat to an offense that frankly needs an extra threat

  • Vick should play for the Browns. He would electrofy the dog pound

  • I say that you should not only bring your own, but buy some copper tubing and make your own!
    Or, I guess you could follow official policy and not bring alcohol on the campus.

  • I didn't take any kind of offense. I was just pointing out the irony of taking a moral stand on the grounds that you have cousins and nephews you're a role model to ----- while at the same time using words that aren't role model-ish. Trust me, I couldn't care less. Many on some very small level it just goes to show that we're all flawed.

  • It was more of a "bring it on" attitude rather than a preference for Favre to quarterback the Vikings. I kind of wanted to see his frustated fist pound the Soldier Field mud with Lance Briggs standing over top of him being high-fived by Ogunleye, Harris, and Urlacher.

  • http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/07/28/tillman.surgery.ap/index.html

    Keep on keeping on, Peanut!
    We need you on the field in 6 weeks

  • I have never had enough money to fund a dog fighting ring, but in '92 '93 '94, when I was was messed I did a lot of awful things. We are all guilty of something. His time is up, we are under the cap, we need more play makers. Sign him now, for nothing. Where is the downside for us? Protesters? This is Chicago, protesters we can handle. Seriously, what is the downside for us? We have signed all our draft picks and have a QB in place. Who gives a fuck? Sign him.

  • Just say "no" to Michael Vick. He would be worse than useless to the Bears, especially given Ron Turner.

    Personally, I think the guy is a jackass and would be very disappointed if the Bears signed him.

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