Game Post 8/29

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Lineups

Cubs

1. Ian Happ (S) CF
2. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
3. Javier Baez (R) SS
4. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
6. Jason Heyward (L) RF
8. Jason Kipnis (L) 2B
9. Nico Hoerner (R) 3B
Reds
1. Joey Votto (L) 1B
3. Jesse Winker (L) DH
4. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
5. Mike Moustakas (L) 2B
6. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
7. Shogo Akiyama (L) CF
8. Mark Payton (L) LF
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  • Good at bats in the Cubs second 1-0. Including a nice hit and run by Contreras and Schwarber.

  • Cubs really made Bauer work today. Cubs have not won yet, but good at bats so far.

  • Hold on tight . BP tries to close out the game with a 3 run lead.

  • I don’t want to compare anyone to arrieta yet, as I can’t recall a cubs starter going on that type of 2015 run the way Jake did. But Darvish is giving me an arrieta aura where I expect him to dominate every single start. I almost feel like the cubs have to win every single one of his starts with the way the teams been struggling on days when he’s not on the mound.

    If they can beat Bauer with how locked in he’s been, then that sets the cubs up to at least have a good shot to split or win the series. Bauer has seemingly given the cubs a pretty hard time over the past couple of years. Other pitchers and this cubs offense have to step up though. It’s been painful to watch this team play on non-Darvish games lately. I hope he proves me wrong but I really don’t feel confident at all on days that Chatwood pitches these days. I think his starting spot should be on the line tomorrow. My issue with chatwood is his bad days tend to be really bad.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Ace!

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    One down and 1 to go. Yu was magnificent but he had to be. We had only 4 hits, and he got lucky in the 8th with that "fair" ball that Rizzo stepped on 1st and then got Shogo in between the bases. Votto is starting to hit and Castellanos is always tough.
    Yu may!!

  • Suarez must have attended the Baez school of K in the DH. Hopefully he doesn’t transfer until Monday. :) :)

  • Poor Albert, he is really struggling.

  • Love the Cubs, but it's tough when you cant make contact with a man on 3rd and cant throw strikes. Hopefully and unfortunately, the Kimbral closer experiment has to be done! Tough loss!

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    This one was lost just as much in the top of the 6th. Someone’s got to be able to start hitting with the bases loaded.

  • In reply to John Winter:

    Yep. This ‘3 outcome game’ that baseball is becoming (walks, strikeouts or HR) - is a boring version of the game. I hate to say.
    But, I’d be all for, ‘de-juice’ the baseball, move the fences back in many parks and .... lower the mound to get more balls in play.
    Oh, and automate the strike zone.

  • Contreras fielding is not up to par. We lost a game to the tigers when he couldn’t catch what I thought was an easy pop up for him. Today, he tried to backhand one of Kimbrel’s w/p when he should have been sliding over to block it. He also let the last pitch through the 5 hole.

    Obviously Kimbrel’s control was of no help but Contreras should have been able to at least block two w/p. Would any of that made any difference who knows but Contreras needs to make those plays.

    Hader walked five guys in the ninth to give the Pirates a lead and then has The right fielder make a sliding catch with the bases loaded to save the brewers more trouble to end the inning and then the Brewers hit a two run walkoff.. 2020 continues its weird ways but I Hope Kimbrel moves to the back of the bullpen.

    Two similar final innings but with both results not in the cub’s favor.

  • Win one and lose one. Okay.

    I guess I should clarify something that happened a few nights ago, although that's tough to do because it's been erased. I pointed out something that made pro sports' protest seem ridiculous and my opinion on this topic was deleted. If sports is going to get into this game it needs to be heard from all sides, not just by those that the editors agree with. That's where we're at. Sports and politics shouldn't intermingle, but we are at such an introspective moment in history that we must do it. Unless, of course, you don't agree with the narrative of the establishment, and you have any disparate thoughts. Then you are censored. Agreement is encouraged; dissent is forbidden. Welcome to baseball (?) 2020.

    You can't have it both ways.

    I'm going to try to refrain from responding directly to the generalizations lobbed at me. Anyone who has read my thoughts here over 6+ years knows my heart. I am the one who broke the news of the horrors Jorge Soler went through to get here. I've lived in Miami and the Keys, and have worked to end the human trafficking. Do you not remember those posts?

    I recall a time when I went out on a limb and announced to the world that Addison Russell was a piece of garbage. 15 minutes later the rest of the world knew, but I took heat all night. That's cool, I can take it.

    I've blown up in these comments 4 or 5 times throughout the years. I've been trolled, abused, and called every name in the book. I still laugh at the most creative one, "BarelyPoop". That was funny. But when I got mad is when somebody picked on someone else. That sets me off. Jumping in and ending oppression is in my DNA. It's just who I am. Anyone who has ever known me will tell you I fight for the oppressed.

    I agree this shouldn't be the place for this, except it is. These subjects are being made a part of sports, for better or for worse. When that happens, we have to allow all opinions. In my experience over the last 72 hours there was only one opinion, and anyone expressing anything different was labeled as I was.

    I expressed a different opinion. I called what happened in Kenosha as it occurred. A rapist returned to his victim's house to assault her again. He beat her as she called 911, and the police knew all about his previous violent convictions with illegal weapons upon arrival. She hid her 3 children in her car as he continued his assault, until police arrived. Within 3 minutes of interaction he beat 2 officers and brushed off 2 direct hits with a taser. Being drugged out of your mind sometimes gives you superpowers, and incredibly stupid judgement. He decided the best way to hurt her and the police was to go for the kids.

    That cannot happen. He was prevented from doing so.

    But very few people have heard this truth. The media lies to us. All we've heard is the rainbow and lollipop story of a good Samaritan who was driving his children home from the park who stopped to break up a fight between two unknown females. Police showed up and began questioning the Black man because he was Black, and he was shot in the back while attempting to drive his children home, by racist police because he was Black.

    The media lied to us, again, and for a reason. Because of this, baseball and other sports were put on a spot. Does anyone really think that any sport would cancel games because a drugged-out rapist was stopped as he was about to kill children? That would be a bad look, huh? But that's what happened. And millions of Americans see the truth.

    But the media portrays it another way, plays us for fools. In their false narrative, another innocent Black man was hunted down and shot in the back by blood-thirsty police. And over half of America believes this, because they only read headlines, and I have to assume most athletes believe this as well. Because the media lies to us. There's no one protesting the shooting of a rapist maniac about to kill his victim's children, is there? Of course not. They are protesting a lie.

    Because of my stance, I've been called every name in the book, even worse than "BarelyPoop". I'm a racist and a MAGAt, and everything else. I've been accused of supporting the ensuing murder of two people in Kenosha. No. That is caused by the lies, and there will be more.

    This stuff is stirred up to motivate people to vote. Those sitting in their comfy homes in Iowa, Montana, Kansas, or Kentucky. They are compelled to speak for the inner-city population, to demand change on their behalf. Except they have no experience with it. I do.

    What these oppressed people and communities cry, over and over again, is "leave us alone."

    What no media shows you is that when the "Reverand" Al Sharpton rolls into town, there is a huge force telling him to leave. "Quit doing this to us!" they scream. I've been there.

    I'm not saying there isn't injustice perpetuated upon minority communities by police. I know some nasty police officers. There certainly is.

    What I'm saying is the intentional feeding of false information to the public causes greater damage. Why is it that EVERY SINGLE TIME there is a police shooting involving a White police officer and a Black person the media lies?

    Now sports protests and postpones games in support of a rapist who was in the process of killing children. This is not a good look. I understand there are things that need to change, but the narrative that police are out hunting innocent Black men is ludicrous.

    This narrative causes more pain in the oppressed communities, and this is what makes me mad. They beg to be left alone. They plead to not be used as political pawns. They ask to please don't use our agony for your benefit, and don't destroy our community.

    But it happens, again and again. The media lies, destroys, and moves on. No one care for these people. They are political pawns. They ask not that you speak at them, or for them, but with them. I do, and I get hammered for not falling in line.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Thanks for saying what few are willing to hear.

  • In reply to Gracefan17:

    You're welcome, and thank you for your support. Unfortunately, this is an attempt to silence a portion of society. It sucks that we have to do this here, but we will not be silenced.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    I continually hear about “let’s have a conversation” yet if you don’t agree and want to point out a different POV, then you are shut down. Well, that’s not a conversation. So, there are quite a few who do not want to have a conversation. They have an ulterior motive. I do not know what that is, TBH.

    I hate that anyone has lost their life for policing or protesting. HATE IT. I also hate that people “protest” and it turns into rioting and looting and burning things in their wake. How is that productive?

    I am raising two teenagers here in ATL which has been a flashpoint the last few months. We have had some hard conversations about the truth. One of the best conversations was about BLM—the organization vs the movement. They had understood both to be the same. They were surprised to learn otherwise. I encourage them to challenge the norms, but I also challenge them to also seek the truth before completely forming their opinions. On my son’s HS football team, it is a 60/40 split of white players and black players. I love that they are all standing united in brotherhood and seeking the truth and justice together. I couldn’t be more proud of our kids. When Arbury was shot one boy posted he was afraid in his own neighborhood. It was more hyperbole than truth, but my son organized a walk in his neighborhood where the team rallied, joined each other and walked arm in arm through the neighborhood letting the other boy they will be with him through anything. Powerful stuff from our young generation. Lots of tears. Lots of hugs.

    America is far from perfect. America can do better. But America is still the best country in the world. My hope is that everyone stops protesting just to protest and commit to action for change. This includes athletes opening their wallets instead of their mouths. This is where sports really comes into play for me. They are granted more resources because of their “job” than 99% of the country. Also this includes protests that are indeed peaceful and not community wreckers. This includes a humanity where diversity of thought is embraced and challenged to drive change. Inclusion gets more accomplished than seclusion. I have taught my kids not to see color, but the heart and soul of others. I’ve been told I am wrong for doing so, but I still believe the color of skin should not impact relationships ultimately leading to a more cohesive society. These are challenging times for sure and I still believe in our country and our people believing our best is yet to come.

    I prefer the players to play on game day, not walk off the job or protest. Our society could use a respite and sports provides a form of entertainment which gives a much needed break. I am not saying “just dribble and shut up” so I am clear. I am saying do the protest and activation during their down time away from games. Make a difference, but also do your job as there is healing of sorts when the players play. Communities come together over sports.

    There is a lot to peel back. Nice work articulating your position on a flame war of a subject. Respect.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Barley.....you know me from here....we’ve been good for years.....you know what race I am too....you are 100% right.....I got your back. I also believe sport and politics should be kept separate but now, it isn’t. We folk aren’t fools either.....we see what the media is doing. Right and wrong is not a black, white, gray thing.....right is right, wrong is wrong. we need to stop the division.....if we stop feeding it, it will die. Everyone has a right to speak their peace though.....black and white American soldiers have died for that right......’only blood I know is the red kind....

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Thank you Barley for having the courage to post this, people have lost jobs and careers for daring to speak their own opinion on this subject. My first reaction after seeing the news break was uh oh this doesn’t sound or look good. My second reaction was why is the media already spinning this as brutality when no one knows what truly happened yet? Then come all the athlete protests and the riots, and still, no one knows what happened yet. Despite excellent coverage on the Cubs from BCB, I stopped reading cause of one writer with a blatant agenda who criticized the rest of the Cubs for not sitting out with Heyward to show solidarity. Obviously she doesn’t feel that each player has the right to their own opinion and how they choose to express their commitment towards equality and justice. This story on LVPDs response to the Golden Knights Twitter post brings up some not so far fetched scenarios for what could have happened during the events leading up to the shooting, hopefully we’ll find out what really happened soon.

    https://news3lv.com/news/local/police-union-speaks-out-against-golden-knights-statement-on-jacob-blake-shooting

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    There is no way a black man with an AR-15 swinging off him walks past all of that law enforcement without being stopped. After shots were fired? Not a snowballs chance.

    That Michael is the problem in a lot less verbiage. And at the end of the day it's what this has all been about. I've been watching it since the 60's. It's not new.

    But just for fun let's imagine the response to a hoard of armed black "militia" wearing body armor peacefully taking over a statehouse to "liberate" their state. As a former FoxNews viewer I can tell you they'd be hair on fire 24/7.

  • This has been one strange season. Players are scuffling and looking nothing like they had previously, but at least the Cubs are in first place while they try to get hitting on all cylinders.

    Barley, I’m pleasantly surprised your post has not been removed tho I expressed differences in a respectful and measured response which was also removed. I’m unaware of other posts being removed for political reasons nor who may have engaged in expressing invective towards you. It would be shameful. My wish is there was a forum (not here) to engage in debate without rancor.

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    Trust me, as a retired law enforsement counselor, the last thing the left wants is a honest discussion on racism. Thanks to Barley.

  • I don’t know about that. I’m an old lefty, a RadLib as Spiro Agnew would say. I’ve debated my uncle and cousins who are/were Bill Buckley fans and there were never hard feelings.

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    I would say to your point that people willing to engage in civil discussions are in the minority of both the left and the right.

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    I'm an old lefty too! I walked away. Many minorities are waking away these days as well.

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    As a Bill Buckley fan I can tell you he's regarded as a RadLib by today's standards. As is George Will. Who I still read and respect to this day.

  • All right, I’ll play. Minorities Walking away? Maybe to the suburbs where the housing values will plummet, according to some.

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    The walk away is from the party not their home.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    And walking towards what? The party that separates children from their parents, many who will never be reunited?

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    I'm not the one to ask. It's a conservative minority movement. I think that one could Google it if for more info.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I’d challenge it’s neither conservative nor a movement.

  • In reply to IVYADDICT:

    What I know of it was presented on national tv a time or two by a Black woman by the name of Candace Owens. I believe that was her story. Challenge her I guess. I do know that poles indicate (for what thats worth) that the black vote might have been the difference in the winner in 2016. And that number is projected to higher in 2020.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I think I’d rather believe George Will on what it means to be a conservative.

  • I'd like to respond to your thoughtful comment, Barley. I'd also like to know your sources for the facts you describe.

    I think we can agree on at least one fact, that the police attempted twice to taser Mr. Blake, and failed. What does that tell us? You suggest that Mr. Blake was "superpowered" with drugs. An alternative explanation is that the police were insufficiently trained in dealing with confrontation and the use of a taser. And when that failed, they went for their guns. Why? Because Mr. Blake was Black? I don't know, but my mind can easily create a different scenario if Mr. Blake had been white, as was Kyle Rittenhouse.
    If I may, let me also establish some bona fides before I continue. I earned a Stanford PhD in psychology, and have practiced as a clinical psychologist since the early 70's. I also held full-time university faculty positions for almost 40 years prior to my retirement, where among other things, I created a course in the psychological determinants of violence and non-violence.
    My activism started in Texas in the 60's civil rights era, and continued in the later 60's in the Bay Area anti-war movement (I was in the very first demonstration in which mace was used against non-violent protesters). I have taught several workshops in this country and in Israel-Palestine on Non-Violent Direct Action techniques, as well as workshops on the treatment of PTSD in those locations.
    In Michigan, I served many years on our county-wide volunteer Traumatic Response Team, as well as on the Michigan Peace Team (which typically served as a buffer between the police and the public during demonstrations). In these capacities, I have come to know well the police and participants in demonstrations and other forms of civil strife. And, I've been at this work for well over half a century.
    I would hope that this gives me some credibility when I suggest the following about our country:
    1. As MLK, Jr. stated, the United States is the most violent nation in the history of the world--not just in physical violence, but in other forms of violence as well, particularly racial and economic violence.
    2. Racism is our original sin, and despite many attempts, we have never dealt seriously with the consequences of slavery and its aftermath. While slavery has been abolished, our Constitution still contains powerful anti-democratic elements that were a direct result of the slave-owning society in which it was written.
    3. I am also a student of authoritarian societies, and I think we are well on our way to becoming just such a society. In my time on this planet I have never been more concerned for our nation; I believe that we are genuinely at a crossroads for our continuing functioning as a democratic society. How we deal in the very near future with racism, economic inequality and justice (broadly defined) will determine our future as a nation for the indeterminate future. Without attempting to sound too pessimistic, if we had a "Doomsday Clock" for our nation, I believe we are at 5 minutes before midnight.

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    In reply to wthomson:

    This is a day full of introspection and thought. Both Barley and wthompson have written so much to think about and I can only write what I believe.
    I know that BP has been on the side of humanity for many years especially on the lives of the athletes from Cuba and Central and South America and what happens to them and their families that we have no idea what it's like. Imagine trying to flee Cuba multiple times and jailed for it, or having threats of violence against family members if one doesn't do this or that.
    I am turning 70 this October, am a Jewish-American and have lived in Italy and Norway (Norway for a couple of years) and traveled in Europe also.
    I don't know the details about the Jacob Blake shooting excepts as we saw he was surrounded by police and shot 7 times. There has to be a better way to subdue someone than that. The George Floyd video was sickening on so many levels. The nonchalant way that Derek Chauvin causally sat there with his knee on his neck had to be seen to be believed.
    In this country we've had a problem with racism for hundreds of years. Why? It's my opinion, and it's only from being around and living around and reading so much, that Whites have a sub-conscious fear of Blacks. After the Civil War reconstruction had many Blacks integrating into society and if that had continued we probably would be in much different place today. Police (and others) shoot when someone Black is reaching into their pocket for something and don't do it as often to a White person. In Kenosha a 17 yr old White was walking toward police with a long gun, with people behind him yelling that he had shot someone, and no one stopped him. Imagine if that person was Black or Muslim? Earlier this year the Statehouse in WI was crowed with Whites with long guns and nothing happened! We need to address this honestly. There's a whole history of why there is such a divide between Whites and Blacks in this country that needs to be addressed in schools and homes and Churches and Synagogues and Mosques, etc.
    I hope this gets though, it's a very touchy subject for many but needs to be talked about honestly.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Thank you for your comments Wthomson and Jonathan, and I’m glad to see everyone here being allowed to express their personal views on this site without getting attacked. It’s very hard to have a political or civil rights conversation these days on both sides of the aisle. With me I only have so much evidence at my disposal about what really happened regarding the Jacob Blake shooting. But I do think people have to stop consistently putting the blame on black men every time these things happen. That’s not to accuse Barley of doing that I’m Moreso referring to offensive comments I see online these days in general celebrating the police officers for shooting another black man. Many people also took the police officers side in the George Floyd killing as well.

    It’s not about one isolated incident this has been a recurring issue between the police and black men for countless decades. We can say the police aren’t targeting black men and I believe that to be true. One of my closest childhood friends is a police officer, and the cops he surrounds himself with are good people. But even they acknowledge there’s plenty of resentment between the black community AND many other police officers. The issue though is police are supposed run he public servants, and too many police officers don’t abide by these standards. It’s unfortunate to those that are honest police officers that try to do things the right way. I’m not a part of the blacks protests towards racial equality, but you’ll never see me directly oppose a cause like that. People ask what they’re really accomplishing? Well I’d ask would they have gotten the civil rights bills in the past, or any of their progress if they hadn’t fought and protested for their civil rights in the 1st place? Just something to think about we can all do a better job of putting ourselves in another person or cultures shoes.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    I do find it quite funny of Barley to tell us how ‘open minded he is’ and how concerned he is about the media’s regard for truth and ‘playing us for fools’. Yet I doubt there is anyone here that can argue the current occupant of the Big House, is the #1 liar we have ever seen in all of politics. And along with the support of a network of Rich racist, right wing media nut jobs, he gets away with playing this country, for fools. They have absolutely no use for facts, truth, science or education.
    I too would like to hear from Barley, as to where he came up with his set of facts.
    Also I’d like Barley to say why Rittenhouse would be allowed to walk toward police carrying a weapon, and not be stopped. And even given water, by the police. While another person was shot in the back - while walking away from police, without a weapon?
    Could it be, because their skin color?
    Barley, you make such a big deal of being called a name. You don’t have a clue, what oppression is. You are nothing but, a self promoting opportunist.

  • In reply to cubbustible:

    I agree 100% with you cubbustible. I had decided to have no comments this year but Barley is out of line here. As a writer on this site he continues to break most of the rules. I have searched the internet all morning to see if Barley has his facts correct. I can’t find anything that supports his facts. Barley, did you have on your MAGA hat when you decided to show who you really are.

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    I’ll have another Barley speaks the truth.

  • In reply to cubbustible:

    Rittenhouse was there with a group of people defending property. Cops saw that at the start of the night. Rittenhouse walked to cops with his hands up. (Something that didn't happen in many cases. Such as the Michael Brown lie).

    You say it's skin color but there have been blacks with rifles defending property. There was at least one black guy with the "militia" that Rittenhouse was with too.

    You may not realize it but you also just proved Barley's point as to there being only one acceptable "opinion" these days. You had to resort to call him names and say he is a "self promoting opportunist." Not sure what exactly he's self-promoting and being an opportunist here on. Not like he's selling anything or like politics in sports has helped the world of sports as ratings are generally down. But keep on with the cancel culture for things you don't like.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    I can't speak for Barley, but your view that America is a racist country is an incomplete truth at best. Without the words in our constitution, this country would not be as free. We can all agree that it is a lot harder to be black, but that should not be an invitation to act in any ole kind of way. All detainees killed by police have one thing in common. They resisted. One can not be a law enforcement officer and just wave ,good bye, to an assault escapee. Take it from a combat veteran, when lives are threatened you will shoot every bullet in your gun. If you have the presents of mind to reload, one will empty it again. It's that scary. It's not a movie. It's real. One who has been threatened by an out control mob will tell how frightening that is. Those that live, anyway. Authoritarian? Please!

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I hope they only allowed you, fake bullets. Like I said earlier, no respect for facts, science, truth or EDUCATION.

  • In reply to cubbustible:

    Funny how several left of center here feel the need to attack the other's position while those on the other side haven't attacked anyone's character. When I posted a long well thought out post, it was mostly ignored and said well time to talk baseball again.

    Statistics show whatever race has the majority of violent crime in an area the more likely an officer will have to use force against them.

    8 officers have been shot in St. Louis since June 1. With 1 killed over the weekend. These days if a cop gets involved which is unlikely (i.e. Ferguson effect, and back in June/July STL police were told not to initiate any contact which caused violent crimes to skyrocket in the city), they will likely be more trigger happy due to the lack of public cooperation and fear for their own safety.

    Anyway... I'll just leave this here for all those peaceful protestors in Kenosha and for those here that alleged it was only white people with guns that tried to protect property and that's why Kyle wasn't shot, note you'll see black and whites working together to try and protect property: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75uwKcD3dv4

  • In reply to wthomson:

    Don't most people have a heart?

    WThomson, I respect what you say, and it is obvious to me you are a much deeper thinker than me. PHD, hopefully has made you pessimistic.

    Don't all countries have racism, justice & economic inequalities?

    Some parts of the world still have tribalism, caste systems, & authoritarian governments. Good luck getting ahead in those societies if you are on the outside looking in.

    Countries in North and South America, are they not considered to be some of the most racially diverse countries in the world?
    America has around 340 million people living in it, it is a large diverse population.

    Just on my short little block, a few houses in each direction I have African Americans, Asian American, Latino American, and white people for neighbors. That is not unique or a big deal, but 70 years ago it wasn't like that in America, or any place else to my knowledge. Go back farther Chicago was a crazy-quilt of immigrant neighborhoods based on original nationality.

    Thing have to get better. Isn't that what the huge majority of people in our country want? How do you provide more opportunities especially for people born in less than ideal situations?

  • Am I wrong or is this the second time Angel Hernandez has had HP this series?

  • Great points Slug and one other thing I forgot to say when I responded to Barley:

    Hundreds of minorities are stopped or pulled over by police every single day..........Why are they NOT shot?

    Pretty easy answer.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Maybe because their parents had “the talk” about what to do when driving while black.

  • So the idea Blake was shot because he was black. When you have a person that fights off multiple officers, a taser doesn't work, and he is going for his car what are you doing to do? What was his viable option? Let him get in the car, get his knife and stab the officer? Let him get in the car, use the car and drive over an officer? Let him get in the car, take off and get in a police chase where he wrecks and injures himself AND the 3 kids in the car?

    When you resist police, bad things happen. It happens if you are white or black or any other race. One of the 200+ year old principal of Sir Robert Peel (known as the father of modern policing) states: "The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force." A cooperative suspect more often than not does not encounter use of force issues. (yes there are exceptions but they are the exception not the rule.)

    And what has the media done over the last few years? Inflame people to become non-cooperative... which thereby increases the degree of force that is necessary.

    Something else to consider. Drugs are a vile thing that can seriously change how someone acts and reacts. Who knows if Blake was on anything but Floyd was on a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl and said he couldn't breath even before he was put on the ground. The shift from cocaine or crack to meth as the drug of choice as also complicated matters. Back in the 2000s, I was in a city where they were still happy to be a crack town and not a meth town. A captain of the police dept in a neighboring suburban town told the story of how some departments switched to higher caliber handguns because you could unload an entire magazine of a smaller caliber/low energy round and if the guy was high on drugs he would be unphased. Think about that. Drugs have such an effect you can be shot 5-10+ times and still continue to be a threat and act like nothing happened.

    This idea the 17 yr old wasn't shot by police cause he was white? 1. He walked towards the police with his hands up. 2. Police had met with the group he was in at the start of the night so they knew there were a group of people there trying to protect property. 3. Also in that initial group were genders and races other than just white males. Along the same line there were several black men with rifles and body armor a few months ago protecting property in Ferguson, MO... and contrary to your assertion the cops didn't harass or shoot them either. You didn't see them on national news though cause that doesn't fit the agenda. If you only get your news from twitter or CNN or MSNBC you are missing a massive amount of news these days. Cameras are everywhere. Videos of events pop up online and if you search for things, some of what you find shows that what the media tells you doesn't line up with what actually happened.

    You have to critical think about things and not just take what the media tells you as truth. People forget that the Germans warned the US and put out ads in newspapers saying don't ride on the Lusitania as it's carrying weapons. Instead, now you just get revisionist history books saying the Germans sank a civilian ship unproked. Pearl Harbor was known that it was likely going to happen. It's why all the new ships were out at sea, with only the older ships left in port as a diversion. Operation Mockingbird. Cointelpro. MK Ultra. There's a long list of media and/or government related projects trying to create disinformation and manipulation of people's thinking.

    Anyway, back on point. Are there bad cops? Yes. I've gotten a few cases thrown out because of poor police work/lies and those cases were against white people and black people. But to act like cops are all after black people is a lie. A study from a few years ago (that the authors now want retracted because it doesn't fit with the agenda of college professors these days) showed that you were more likely to be shot and killed by an officer of your own race than another race.

    For those that say it's just racism for cops look into Daniel Shaver, Josphen Hutchenson, Tony Timpa, Ryan Whitaker and many more. If the idea was actually to get police reform, the media had so many better examples to pick from and rally people behind. Truth is though it's not about reform and creating unity. If it was that could have been accomplished in much easier and more successful methods. It's just about creating dissent and division. Not to mention the media loves it as it has sent their ratings way up and makes them a lot of money ("If it bleeds, it leads"). You don't have to look far to see it's not really about reforming police for many people. Look at the assault by protestors on Rand Paul for alleging doing nothing for Breanna Taylor, yet he's the author of the bill to end no-knock warrants and has met with her family. Truth and facts don't matter.

    There's also the issue of the tech companies silencing those that the tech company disagrees with. Use google and type "reactionary synonym" and see what comes up compared to Bing or what logic says would actually be a real synonym. It doesn't happen all the time, but some videos if you try to search them they won't show up. I've tried googling certain videos by Anthony Brian Logan and Officer Tatum and they won't be there. But switch to Bing and it's right there first result. There's more examples between Twitter, FB, google etc but this is already too long.

    Truth is police departments have become more militarized over the years, in part thanks to military surplus equipment and several wars with returning soldiers. I've said it was an issue for 15-20 years. Just watch an episode of Cops from the 1980s vs one from a few years ago. You also have a lot of former military guys that are good at taking orders. Throw a court case saying it isn't illegal to refuse to hirer someone as an officer because they have too high of an intelligence and what do you get? An over militarized group that's good at taking orders and not thinking critically. Couldn't possibly create and issues down the road (sarcasm). The few that do voice their opinions may have their careers ruined. A deputy commander on Chicago's PD got reassigned to a crappy shift when he refused to shut down a public road by the Mayor's home so she wouldn't have any protests by her while not carrying about the rest of the city's people.

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    In reply to Gracefan17:

    Just a brief reply Gracefan17. I want a world where when a Black person is stopped by a police officer he/she doesn't have to worry about the consequences other than getting a ticket. Someone who's White really doesn't have to think about that--and I'm only talking about people who aren't on the run, have outstanding warrants, guns or drugs in the car, etc. A simple traffic stop. My parents never had to have "the talk" that Black families do.
    btw, the Cubs are winning 6-1 in the bottom of the 7th. That's why we're here really, aren't we?

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    I’m done with the debate for today. Happy to see Q back. Maybe he is a trade chip. We will find out tomorrow. Stay tuned.

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    In reply to IVYADDICT:

    IvyA, I would trade him in a minute. Not that he's been bad, but we need some young talent and he's a competent major league pitcher and some team can use him.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    It would appear several teams including Sox and Houston hours have interest and may have promising talent they’re willing to part with.

    BTW, class of ‘68 too?

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    In reply to IVYADDICT:

    Yes I was. Is it hard to believe we're going to be (or already are) 70?

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    A month ago, young’un! At least I don’t feel 70. There’s that!

  • There is a Cubs game going on. Can this please be the last post with conversations not related to baseball? I get that a lot is going on in our world but can we go to other sites to discuss these things. Ive come here for years to read good insights and opinions on our Cubs. I dont comment often but just wanted to ask that this please switches back to a baseball convo...what John intended. Thanks and go Cubs!

  • In reply to cactuscubbies:

    Are the Cubs playing that poorly as a team? I say for this weekend NO.
    If not for Contreras and Kimbrel, we probably sweep these guys in their home park...

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Now would be a good time to try Kimbrel :)

  • In reply to cactuscubbies:

    Today is one of those mini-trivia games where you can win a bar bet.......

    When was the last time you saw all 3 Cub outfielders each have multi-homer games???

    I can’t think of any.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    This could be a first ever.

  • In reply to cactuscubbies:

    As I hit enter they said it was indeed the first. Really awesome! Hope they carry the momentum into Pitt and sweep the Bucs!

  • I think when anyone focuses too much on a specific case such as the Blake-Rittenhouse situation, important as it may be, we may lose sight of the big picture.
    To me the big picture says that Blacks and other minorities have been and continue to be treated less justly by our legal and economic system than are Whites. I believe that is an incontrovertible fact of American life. It is clear to me that I have benefitted greatly by my "White Privilege", and I could give you many examples of that. I would also contend that this injustice directly flows from our history of slavery and our frequent cultural value of property over humanity. Further, I hold that until our current system of racial and economic injustice is directly and forcefully addressed, we will be teetering on the edge of the democracy-authoritarianism divide. How long will those treated unjustly continue to exhibit restraint?

  • In reply to wthomson:

    Extremely well put, thank you.

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    In reply to cubbustible:

    Yes thank you for this.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    One problem could be that 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders and other felonies. What restraint? Life is hard for all people. Maybe folks just want to be safe. Just about everybody that I know does not care about race, but they do care about behavior. No mother wants to raise their children around drive by shooting, violence, drugs, car jacking etc. Fix that and things will be better.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    "One problem could be that 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders and other felonies."

    Please treat this as a serious question: "Why do you think that is?"

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Yes 44, thank you for coming out of your closet and showing us, who you really are. Probably have a bunch of red hats in there. Maybe some white pointed ones too.

  • In reply to cubbustible:

    Name calling. So much for civil discussion.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I wasn't name-calling with my question above. I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts and am willing to share mine.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    Can we drop it? I’m sure he is a nice person. I’m guessing he’s an old white man who has a certain world view and isn’t going to change. Kneeling, which to me is basically the most respectful form of protest, was probably offensive to him. I doubt he has a pointy hat. Can’t we all just get back to talking about the Cubs?

  • In reply to Cubs09:

    No problem, i am an old white man. I thought like a progressive for decades and developed my 'new' world view a few years ago. I think a change is due based on limited effective results. The harder we try angrier and more divided we are.

  • In reply to wthomson:

    I'll try! Mostly I'm not sure that the social programs the country have been doing for decades has helped. Tim Scott senator from SC has been doing good work for working minorities, for example. Victimization hasn't been productive. Like most everyone I want to see healing.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Thanks--I'm also an old white man (;-).

    But I'm still interested in your thoughts on the following question:

    "One problem could be that 13% of the population commits over 50% of the murders and other felonies."

    Please treat this as a serious question: "Why do you think that is?"

    I'll give my thoughts--I'm guessing that the 13% you refer to consists of many races and cultural backgrounds. I'll bet they are generally quite poor, and have somewhat limited educational background and advantages. And I would bet that they have been more prone to racial, social and economic violence than I have been. That is not to excuse the "murders and other felonies" that you mentioned, but to attempt to understand what prompted those crimes to occur

  • In reply to wthomson:

    Good posts. I agree with everything you said except from where the violence is most likely to come from. By 2050, we will be a majority/minority country. The white supremacy that the country was built on will end. The shift is happening rapidly now. It’s inevitable that Texas at some point will flip blue and the Republican Party will cease to be a national party. What happens? Do they accept that peacefully? Can they evolve into something else? There are a lot of heavily armed, radicalized right wing extremists that don’t want to see the country change.

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    Everyone has had time to express their thoughts and feelings and there is a lot to think about, but I agree with others and say let's get back to our baseball game. There are times when life spills over to sports and we've seen it, but now I hope we can focus on the Cubs and the rest of the season.
    Will any more moves be made by the trade deadline? I hope Martinez helps, but also don't want to give up too much for him.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Jose Martinez trade with the Rays. I cannot imagine Cubs gave up too much for him. Two PTBNL or cash, doesn't make the two-PTBNL sound like a big return.

    Will Cubs add at least one more pitcher?

    Before the Ramirez trade, I thought the Cubs might trade Quintana, & Kipnis to WS. I really thought they would make deals to get under the cap in 2020.

  • In reply to Naujack:

    I remember that Martinez guy....goofy hair but great happy go lucky guy....great personality, good stick but a butcher in the field.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Do you think 2021 NL will play with a DH?

  • In reply to Naujack:

    Unfortunately sir, yes I do....and I don’t like it.
    It’s about money #1 and the players union would want it to give the one dimensionals a longer career.
    To me though it takes away too much of the strategy of the game, making pitchers hit (and these days you have some that can really rake), bunting, moving the runner over, small ball, etc.
    The 3 true outcome game to me is boring and the actual biggest attractions of baseball to me (especially when you are playing it) is that so many different things can happen in a baseball game.....the DH takes alot of that away.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    I agree 3 outcome baseball is boring to me too. I really miss stolen base attempts.

    I don't know how you get away from three outcome baseball?
    I have no idea what MLB should try, but 2020 has shown fans, league, & players should be open to trying new things.

    Automated strike zone with the high strike?
    Move the mound back maybe 6 to 12 inches to start?
    Higher outfield fences?
    Pitch clock?

    A long time ago I read an article that the DH should be attached to the pitcher, so when the starting pitcher is removed the DH has to also be changed. It brought up lots of options, but writer's gist was mangers in the AL had it to easy. Set your lineup once per game, how is that fun?

  • As for the Cubs, Javier Baez sucks b*lls right now. How is he still in the three hole?

  • In reply to Cubs09:

    I think I figured out why Baez can't hit this year. It's. gotta be the no eating sunflower seeds on the field.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    Chevy Chase in Caddy Shack. “You’re a, you’re a. You’re not good. You stink.”

  • Cubs 09s got it right with “as for the cubs”. I think it’s very difficult to have any non confrontational political talk in this era, and it’s why John had it right to leave this comments section for cubs talk. So I’ll start I commented recently that I thought the cubs needed a right handed masher to combat their offensive woes vs lefties. I look at all of these monster Hispanic hitters the white Sox have, and I wish the cubs had a few right handed mashers like that to complement the cubs many patient hitters. That’s why I like the Jose Martinez pickup, and I like that the cubs bought low while Martinez is off to a slow start with Tampa. I can’t imagine TB will be getting any prospects of real value. I also like that Martinez is controlled for 2 more years, and now we have to hope the NL keeps the DH spot.

    Martinez is a career .320 hitter vs lefties. He was always someone you had to be careful with when he was with St. Louis. Caratini isn’t the type of run producing bat that you want hitting in the DH spot on any regular basis. Sometimes I also feel like this team is completely helpless against lefties, because most of their best right handed bats aren’t getting it done. Willson and Javy have generally struggled at the plate most of the year, and the team relies on them vs LHP. Kris Bryant wasn’t hitting at all when he was playing, and who knows if they can expect much from him moving forward with all of this time he missed. It baffles me how more teams don’t approach the cubs the way Milwaukee does. The brewers just constantly throw lefties at the cubs like Brent Suter or Alex Claudio. It’s almost as if the cubs offense is helpless against lefties, regardless of the quality of the lefty pitcher. Jose Martinez at least gives them a needed right handed masher, given this lefty heavy lineup.

  • If someone would have said Ian Happ would be the best hitter on the Cubs who would have guessed the Cubs would be in 1st place?

  • Cubs

  • Go Cubs

  • Hey hey!

  • Holy Cow!

  • He hits it high, he hits it deep, he hits it, outta here!. Okay, that was the Giants.

  • It’s got a chance...

  • We all know this site has gone downhill since John died, God Bless his soul. It's no one's fault; it was a passion project. People have lives. Michael, who I guys runs it (?), seems mostly interested in the minor leagues. The rest of the content doesn't even approach mediocre. But at least it was a place where we could share a game. That's was basically the purpose. On most sites you the article and skip the comments; here it was the opposite. The one rule was avoid politics. Now I know who is leftwing, rightwing, and all the rest. I understand politics have seeped into baseball and that politics is soooooo unavoidable right now, but it was nice to have one tiny part of your life where it didn't matter. Anyway, I'm out. It has been a fun ride. I'm sure there are plenty happy to see me go. Peace.

  • In reply to Cubs09:

    Yeah, I don't blame you. John built it, Barley killed it.

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    In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    I don't agree with that. BP has added many thoughtful comments throughout the year and yesterday was a strange day that transcended sports. I might not agree to everything he says but he says it well.
    If anyone wants to see more about some of the origins of systemic racism in this country watch the documentary "13th." It begins to explain a lot on why we are on so many different paths in this country.
    Ok, I'm back to baseball.

  • Well, sports has jumped head first into politics. MLB held back for a time and found it too difficult to ignore. I don't think any one person is to blame here. The Den follows the Cubs including the politics involved, Barley is one of us. I don't think that we should give up and don't think John would want that. Acting as if an issue doesn't exist when it is front and center is just denial. Discussion is necessary to reach common ground. As a medafor, we are running a marathon here. Life is a marathon not the 50 yard dash.

  • Javy needs to ride the bench but we have no SS without him who has his arm and glove. Let him bat 9th then he would only strike out 3 times
    a game and not 4.

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