Close Doesn't Count - Padres 9, Cubs 8 F/10


The Cubs battled back to force the game to extras. In the end, Chicago's sloppy play was just too much to overcome.

Kris Bryant walked to lead off the 2nd inning against Ronald Bolaños. Jason Heyward followed with an opposite-field two-run homer to left. The 2-0 advantage was short-lived as Eric Hosmer and Wil Myers reached on infield hits in the bottom of the frame. Luis Urias singled to score Hosmer and Austin Hedges singled to load the bases with one out.

José Quintana coaxed what looked to be a double play grounder from Bolaños. Instead, Ben Zobrist made a wild throw which rolled into left allowing three to score. Manuel Margot singled and Nick Martini hit a sacrifice fly to make it 5-2. Ty France homered in the 3rd to increase the lead to 6-2.

Tyler Chatwood took over in the 4th and pitched three perfect innings. Heyward and Nico Hoerner walked in the same inning. Pinch-hitter Ian Happ flew out, J-Hey tagged and was initially called out before being ruled safe upon review for a sac fly.

Kyle Schwarber walked in the 5th and would score on a two-run jack from Bryant. Things stayed at 6-5 until the bottom of the 7th. Greg Garcia singled off of Brandon Kintzler, Margot tripled to score pinch-runner Travis Jankowski. Martini knocked in another with a single, but the Padres stranded the bases loaded to keep it 8-5.

The Cubs stormed back against fire-baller Andres Muñoz in the 8th. Anthony Rizzo singled and came home when Bryant homered again, the knee seems better post cortisone shot. Heyward then blasted his second shot to tie things at eight.

San Diego prevailed against Steve Cishek in the 10th. Urias singled and then Steve completely lost the zone. He walked Hedges, Jankowski, and finally Margot to end it.

Source: FanGraphs

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  • It’s hard to keep hope alive for the upcoming series against the Cardinals which would normally be a dream come true to claim the division. Even if that were to be the case this team is not a World Series championship team.

  • In reply to Skidoorunner:

    All is well. Joe is saving his 13 arm pen for the head to head games.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    I saw you ripped Joe last night during the game thread. Just curious what you would have done different? Once the Cubs tied the game and Wick had gone two innings, he brought in Cishek, who has been one of his best relievers for a year & a half. The only thing I can think that of that he may have done differently is having another arm warming up immediately to start the 10th inning. But your in the 10th inning of a tie game, so you don't necessarily want to waste bullets warming up pitchers in the pen because then that reliever may not be available later in the game, say 14th or 15th inning if the game is still going on. Cishek got the first out, then gave up a weak infield single. At that point, there is no reason to think he will all of a sudden lose his control. He then walks Hedges on a couple of border line calls. Maddon gets Wieck up at the point, but he's not ready yet to face the next batter, Jankowski. Cishek walks Jankowski to load the bases. Now Maddon has a choice, bring in the lefty Wieck to face Margot, who hits lefties much better, or leave in your veteran who is a ground ball pitcher to try and get the ground ball?? It's so easy to 2nd guess and hindsight is 20/20, but I'm curious how you would have managed that?

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    The frustration with Joe culminates over the last 5 years. It is a fact he does not manage the bullpen well. Never has and we won the World Series in spite of Joe not because of Joe period. I think the point Committed is making is many arms in bullpen in Sept if someone does not have it Joe does not seem to realize when to make the change. We have not had a good pitching coach since Bosio and Bosio was good because he stood up and was not a yes man.

  • In reply to AzChris:

    I think we as fans tend to take "managing the bullpen" on a single game basis. Managers can't do that. This article explains last night's decision in detail.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    Im not talking about last nites game. I am making general comment patterns over the years with Joe. It is proven fact the managing of pitchers is not his strong suit.

  • In reply to AzChris:

    Az, you keep saying it is a proven fact that managing a bullpen is a fact. How is that a fact? It's obviously your opinion, and your entitled to it, but it is not a fact. Just as my stating that Joe is by far the best manager in my lifetime as a Cubs fan, is an opinion, not a fact.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Meant to say that Maddon is poor at managing a bullpen is not a fact, but your opinion

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Sorry Cubpack but after looking back on it, there is enough occurences to make it a fact.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Clark, you can believe any opinion you have is a fact. I don't care. Doesn't change the FACT that it is just your opinion

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    No, that's just YOUR opinion.

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    In reply to AzChris:

    They didn’t win the WS in spite of him. I hate that narrative. Joe instilled the culture that allowed those young players to thrive and handle the unique pressure of the 108 year drought.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    Thanks for posting that article KJ. It explains what I was trying to say in another post, that leaving Cishek in to face Margot was Maddon's best option.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    At a certain point, players have to execute. Joe has handled the pen well enough to average 95 wins over the past 4 years. Not every manager is perfect at all aspects of the game, but we still have veteran guys who should perform better.

    Kintzler could have done better against Milwaukee on Saturday. He gave up two more runs last night. Why the finger pointing to Cishek alone and not to BK is a bit confusing to me.

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    In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    Yeah, I don’t think any of the FA relievers are making a good case to be brought back.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Does it really matter how anyone else would have handled the BP? You are right that any opinion would be second guessing Maddon but the actual way to look at any result is through hindsight.

    In hindsight, (in my opinion), Joe seems to be too quick with pulling some pitchers and not quick enough for other pitchers. Its just my opinion and it is definitely made in hindsight. In this particular instance, my major question is: why weren't other relievers warming up in an OT game? Joe never hesitates to pull relievers so he, of all people, should be ready, but he apparently wasn't. After a hit and a walk, he should have had other relievers get up in the pen, but maybe he was more concerned about using up his remaining relievers in case of more extra innings. However, after Cishek walked another to load the bases, there will be no need for other relievers if they lose the game and Cishek was obviously in trouble. But Joe left him in to walk in the third batter in row and win the game. I won't second guess him because I do not claim to know how I would have handled the inning, but I will admit that this is hindsight and it is right to question his thinking in the matter.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Those are all fair points. If you read my first post to Cubmitted, I said the one thing that Maddon can be 2nd guessed on is not having another reliever up before the inning even started. But...there are risks to doing that. Cishek has been one of your best RP for the past 1.5 years, so I personally have no problem with Maddon trusting him to get the bottom of their order out. He got the 1st hitter out, then gave up an weak infield single. Again, that's probably not a signal to any manager that the guy will suddenly lose it. He then walks Hedges after a couple of border line strikes were called balls. Wieck started throwing right after that happened, but he wasn't ready to face Jankowski. After Cishek walked Jankowski, Margot was up. He hits lefties significantly better than right handers. So, as the article KJ posted states, leaving Cishek in to try to get the groundball made total sense. Plus, it sounds like Strop was the only other RH pitcher available last night. I can only imagine what all the Maddon haters would have said if he had brought Strop in at that point & lost. I think trusting Cishek was his only real option.
    Maddon didn't lose the game. The error by Zobrist along with Kintzler and Cischek not getting it done did.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    I don't necessarily disagree with you. In fact, in MY OPINION you have valid points. However, In this game and in the past, Joe has mis-used his BP numerous times and that is one major reason why he is receiving most all this flack.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    And I don’t disagree with you that his bullpen usage has been questionable at times. But you can say that about every manager who has ever managed. And as I’ve always said, those managers have so much more information and baseball experience than any of us fans. We can all have our opinions on how good or bad the manager is, but the only ones that matter are the 30 GM’s and 30 owners

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    OK but whether we can say that about any or all managers does not mean it isn't a fact that Joe does not manage his BPs well. I believe Joe would agree with this statement. And yes, this is my opinion along with many others, including you per your very own statement above: "I don’t disagree with you that his bullpen usage has been questionable at times".

    I believe most everyone would agree with the statement that his BP usage has been questionable many times thereby making it a fact that he does not manage his BPs well. No one expects anyone to be perfect.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Sorry, just don’t agree with your statement that it’s a fact he doesn’t handle his bullpen well. It probably is a fact that a majority of Cubs fans have that opinion, but my bet is a majority of baseball insiders think he handles the bullpen as well or better than average. Your not a borderline Hall of Fame manager if you can’t handle a bullpen. I’ll also say he’s much better than Counsell in Milwaukee with handling a bullpen, at least in my opinion

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    Slip slidin' away
    Slip slidin' away
    You know the nearer your destination
    The more you're slip slidin' away
    That’s how I feel watching this team.

  • CB Brucknor is such a joke of an umpire. When will changes be made in baseball to remove these umpires.

  • I am feeling a mix of disappointment and grief.

    Though 2016 will be a special memory in my heart always, these last few years have been brought out emotions that I thought I had put away once the team was successful.

    I guess being a fan means you always have a level of expectation that can't be put down and tamed.

    Whatever happens in the offseason, my hope is that the team plays a better brand of baseball going forward and that we close the book on the current configuration as it has worn thin and is no longer worth rooting for.

  • In reply to brownjay:

    No longer worth rooting for? Maybe for you, but I love rooting for this team. They have problems no doubt, but I see each and every one of them fighting their tails off. Sometimes it just doesn't happen. You think any of them wanted to lose that game last night. Heck no.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    I'm somewhere in-between "fighting their tails off" and "wanted to lose the game." They're fighting, but it's likely to be too little and too late. As far as rooting for them, that's a given, I'll never pull for anyone else to beat them, but I'd be lying if I said I was as emotionally invested as I have been in the past.

  • StL lost to COL. MIL beat MIA. A baseball beat Yelich’s kneecap. The new Magic Numbers:

    Division: 23
    Playoffs (WC): 18

    And the not-so-magic Number:

    Elimination Number (division) is 15.

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Yeah, that stinks for Milwaukee. Yelich and Javy had the epic MVP showdown last year, and now they both go down for the final few weeks. Baseball.

  • As someone mentioned above, even if they stumble into the playoffs I think it’s decidedly doubtful that they win the World Series. How are they going to build another true contender? Would they really take a step back and tear it down?

  • In reply to Cubs09:

    I think the Cubs will not tear it all down. It has not looked like our year and there will be changes, but I'm a 'die hard' and not throwing in the towel until we are officially eliminated. After that we play for pride.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    They need a new manager. Also, they will never be able to sign all of the core 4- Bryant, Baez, Rizzo and Contreras. Because of that and that huge payroll, someone's gotta go. They're in desperate need for a young starter(s) and a legit leadoff man. Theo is gonna shake up that team in the offseason. Be ready for it.

  • just saw this. Interesting. Will think it over on my way home from work. .

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    Very interesting. Seems like they created a new position on the MLB side, maybe to keep him from going to Boston as GM. Wondering who will take over the amateur/college scouting and player development.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    I just got home and am processing as well. Why now? What does this foretell? Interesting...

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Pretty sure this is in anticipation of an inexperienced manager next year, and probably keeping McCleod from Boston. I think Boston has their sights set on Andrew Friedman whose contract is up in LA following the WS

  • We all can see the Cubs are not even close to the 2015/2016 version. The starting pitching is not as good. The hitters don't have the upside potential like in 2015/16, and are getting more expensive. Teardown is that really necessary? I think this front office is actually pretty good at making trades for other teams young players/minor leaguers. Sure there was some luck involved, but look at all the talent they acquire for veterans on expiring contracts. They have to consider trading some high value veterans this offseason?

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    Lol leaving a guy who gave up a single and 2 walks will never ever be acceptable. At this point even an unreliable arm is better then a guy who can't find the strike zone. Because guess what guys, in the bottom of extra innings you're not getting another shot if you give up that run. Its all or nothing, and going with nothing (Cishek) purposely will always lead to a loss.

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