Super Nova - White Sox 3, Cubs 1

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The Cubs continued to be baffled by long-time nemesis Iván Nova and dropped the final contest of their nine-game road trip. The North Siders now get a much needed four day All-Star break to rest up for the second half.

Kyle Hendricks allowed tw0-out hits to José Abreu and James McCann in the 1st inning before escaping the jam. Nova stranded a leadoff double from Albert Almora in the 3rd inning and Anthony Rizzo in the 4th inning.

Hendricks pitched around two walks in the 3rd inning. His luck ran out in the 4th however, as former Cub Jon Jay singled and scored on a two-run bomb by Eloy Jiménez. The Professor hit his pitch count while he builds up strength returning from injury and was done after four.

Abreu increased the lead to 3-0 with a solo homer off of Brad Brach in the 5th inning. The Cubs went 0-8 with runners in scoring position the first six innings. Robel Garcia got the road team on the board with a long homer to left against Aaron Bummer in the 7th.

The Cubs got runners on in the 8th and 9th before double plays erased both runners. Alex Colomé got Victor Caratini on the second double play to seal the 3-1 victory.


Source: FanGraphs

I Need More Robel

Robel Garcia keeps hitting the ball hard, he was robbed by Abreu on a smash to first and he had the long homer. His defense is shaky, but feels like it is worth it for the thunder in his bat.

Ivanna Stop

Iván Nova has allowed just one run in 10.2 innings against the Cubs this year. He has allowed 61 in his other starts this season. Thankfully, they don't have to see him again in 2019.

Random Reference

The Brewers lost again, they keep trying to hand the division to the Cubs and the Cubs are responding like this.

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Tags: Kyle Hendricks, Robel Garcia

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  • Pathetic.

    Brach can be DFA’d. I’ve seen enough of that experiment.

  • In reply to rbrucato:

    Does he hit? Can’t win many games with 1 run and 0-8 With RISP.

  • In reply to stix:

    2 parts to my post. The top one word “pathetic” refers to our Offense.

    The second part refers to Brach and his crappy performance this year. He stinks.

  • In reply to stix:

    Can't keep leading off a slow .220 hitter?

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    In reply to stix:

    and the sox went 0-5 with RISP. RISP isn't the end all.

  • I am excited to see the upgrades for this ball club.

  • Eloy Jiménez out scored the Cubs by himself in 2 of the 4 games the Cubs and Sox played.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    Roboump has him K’d two pitches before he hits his HR. Good for him.

  • For those watching the Futures Game, watching Nate Pearson throw know we took Brendan Little it will make you throw up in your mouth a bit. Nate is hitting 102 tonight.

  • In reply to rbrucato:

    I remember you wanting us to pick Pearson weeks before the draft.

  • In reply to TexasCubsFan:

    Yep. I just don’t understand when watching Pearson in college versus Little how we did not select Pearson.

    That guy is legit.

  • In reply to rbrucato:

    This FO had a specific criteria for pitchers. It did not matter what Pearson’s performance, ceiling or floor could bring. As I understand it, it is the projection of the body size and potential of arm injury that governed pitching draft philosophy.

  • In reply to TexasCubsFan:

    Which tells me there could be a problem of who is doing the scouting.

    Pearson 6’6” 235 lbs. Long loose arm action and easy gas. Great timing in his delivery. Arm in great spots. IMO, low risk delivery.

    Little is 6’1” 195 lbs. He is more of a short “armer” and non-athletic in his delivery. He is stiff in his lower half. I believe he spun a good curve and that was part of the attraction.

    The two are quite the contrast. I would love to hear from McLoed on the decision-making. But we never will because they would never admit to a mistake. And it wouldn’t be cool to Little to hear anything like that come from the organization.

    I hope we are changing and I think the Jensen pick may be signaling the shift. If the same criteria were in play I gotta believe Pearson would have been an easy choice.

  • In reply to rbrucato:

    I gotta go to work, so no time to elaborate, but yes, we have completely re-vamped our philosophy when it comes to evaluating pitchers for the draft. This year's class proved that.

  • Ahhh this stinks real bad

  • Theo used the word transactional recently when commenting on the FO role. I see something transactional happening in the near future that will surprise many.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    What are you thinking will happen?

  • In reply to TexasCubsFan:

    Multiple position players from the 25 could be moved and/or DFA'd. Schwarber is certainly possibility. They had Garcia in LF for a couple games in Iowa. Could he be any worse than Kyle out there? SH with a nice swing and power from both sides? Has Russell's time run out? That means Bote backs up at SS. Descalso barely sees the field anymore and 2B is getting crowded. Writing appears to be on the wall. Do they make a bold move and package Contreras or Caratini? Have they decided Bryant's price tag will be too high and look to move him while he has arbitration years?

    Now BarlyPop is mentioning Nico playing 2B? Given the time he's missed the last 2 years I'd say that's a stretch. But dog gone it that young man had big league AB's in ST. Nonetheless that would be a real rush job.

    Given Theo's tone last week I'd say almost anything is possible. Though for contractual reasons Heyward isn't going anywhere. Rizzo for loyalty and performance reasons. Baez.... because he's Baez. After that? We're 2+ years removed from glory. His patience sounds very thin.

    Just have a feeling the core is about to get thinned. The offense hasn't met expectations with any consistency for 2+ years running. Sometimes a change in scenery is best for both.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    According to Fangraphs, Bryant, Contreras and Rizzo are 3 of the 40 most valuable trade assets in baseball. Javy wasn’t listed in the top 50. That would deliver the most value. Any of those 3 would be bold.

  • In reply to TexasCubsFan:

    Surprises me with Javy. He's the best player at most positions on the field.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    If they want a seriously impactful return, it's probably got to be one of those 3, though I doubt it would be Rizzo or Contreras. They have some depth at catcher now and might trade from that. Rizzo is a veteran leader, fan fav and still delivering. Schwarber, Russell, Happ, Almora and Montgomery appear to be who they are and I wouldn't be surprised to see at least 1 or 2 gone. Bryant is the one who could bring back a gold mine.

  • Some interesting news out of Tennessee tonight. The Smokies lost to Montgomery 5-0, and Hoerner had a rough night at the plate, going 0-4 with 2 K's. What was interesting, to me anyway, is that Nico started at 2B. This was his first 2B start with Tennessee, and his first start anywhere except SS. Hmm...

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    He last played 2B on a regular basis during his freshman year at Stanford. I believe all but 1-2 games that year.

  • In reply to TexasCubsFan:

    He played one game at 2B at the beginning of this season in his brief rookie-ball tune-up prior to joining Tennessee. He's played every other game in the Cubs organization at SS. I'm not suggesting anything is imminent, but the Cubs have a history of moving players around to increase their versatility prior to a call-up, and as 2016 Cubs pointed out, we're pretty well set at starting SS at the big-league level. Something to keep an eye on.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    That is interesting. I think that is where he should be playing seeing as he is "blocked" by some guy who's name escapes at this time. Might be a very interesting month of July.

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    I thought it was a given that Nico would play 2nd with the Cubs. No one is bumping Javy off SS and I think by next year that will be our middle infield. My only concern about Nico is that he's been injured both last year and this year. Is it just a coincidence or is he injury prone?

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Depends how you define injury prone. He was hit on the wrist this year by a pitch. I guess if he has brittle bones he might be injury prone by my definition but I don’t think getting hit by a pitch and breaking your wrist makes him injury prone.

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    In reply to stix:

    I understand but some players don't seem to get broken bones. Rizzo has been hit more than anyone in the last few years and he wears no protection and hasn't broken anything. I've seen other players get hit in the hand and are ok.
    Last year he strained his ligament in his left elbow. I know they're different injuries but I'm just wondering.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Let's hope it's not the case. It's nice when your 2B can cover SS for a day off or injury. You hate having to use a bench spot for a glove and little else.

    Besides that I've been big on him from day one. Thought he could fast track.

  • Happ with 2 more hits tonight. 2 K's also but 2 RBI's came with those hits. If this trend continues?

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Definitely trending in the right direction:
    10 for 22 with 7 walks and 5 strikeouts in his last 6 games for a .454 BA and a .773 OBP.......

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    Ideally he would get to keep that pace up for a month of games before a call up. I am so very leery of Ian Happ.

  • In reply to JohnCC:

    I'll take a month of somewhere between the 6 game sample size, and his numbers for the year; prayerfully closer to the 6 game sample size............

  • Theo and FO are in a really sticky spot. They need offense and trading any of Bryant, Javy, Rizzo, or Contreras would be foolish because there is no one to replace any of them. So who are they traded for, more pitching? No way. Multiple hitters who haven't matured yet? How does that help?

    They love Schwarber but he's got to be on the bubble. There has to be some AL teams that would love to give him the old "change of scenery," how about Detriot? Texas? Almora is a good defensive replacement but that's it. Happ, sure. Edwards, adios.

    Here's a crazy thought I had. I was reading an interview with the Braves' GM. He said they really wanted Kimbrel, he thought that they actually had him at one point but then the contract got too big (years or money or both, he didn't say). The Braves have a pretty healthy group of young hitters and stocked farm. There are some big arms available on the trade market. I know, crazy -- but not as crazy as trading Bryant or Javy like I keep reading.

  • In reply to JohnCC:

    Cost is a big issue too. In 2 years a lot of FA's. Who can they sign? You know Boras is going to be looking at a Harper contract for Bryant. What's it going to cost to keep Baez, Contreras and Rizzo? I don't see it happening. Then there's the pitching.

    They have to find some productive TC guys in house or by trade. It's not an option. Bryant is already at $13 mil with 2 years to go. Just no way they can keep them all. And 2 1/2 years later the offense is still scuffling.

    Agreed. Tough calls. Glad I'm not the one who has to make them.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Contreras and Baez have healthy raises coming next year. Cubs are already way up there in salary. Again, very tough calls. But one way or another the OF and 2B need an upgrade.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    The Cubs will offer Bryant a contract but I really doubt they will get into any kind of bidding war for him.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Exactly. He's going to be gone one way or another. Some GM is going to take that leap. A decision is going to have to be made. A comp. pick or multiple prospects. His highest value is going to be with 2 arbitration years left, healthy and producing.

    I'm not suggesting this an option I find too appealing. Just a reality. And the fact is they can't possibly keep them all. There's going to be a lot of holes to fill in 2 years. Including a rotation that has only Darvish and Hendricks past '21. Add to that they're financially stretched already. Yes, there's dollars come off the books after this year but some pretty healthy raises coming in arbitration.

    There are some kids in the system everyone likes. We all have our favorites. But they're several years away at best assuming they don't hit their ceiling on the way. Though most believe Hoerner is a safe bet.

    So the question is do you continue on the current path which appears to have peaked in '16 or make a bold proactive move or two? Fact is the offense has sputtered since '16. And now we're seeing a once sound defensive team play sloppy for extended stretches over the past couple of years. I'm a glass half full, Ra Ra kind of guy. But I can see a trend. And sans a month here and there it hasn't been trending in the right direction for over 2 years.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    Right now they know they are close to a team that can win the division and compete in the playoffs. Without Bryant it is not likely. They simply cannot lose his offensive production (despite what you might hear from too many fans) and have a chance unless the return is somehow multiple above average players. David Bote is not an everyday player.

    If the Cubs trade Bryant before they know they will lose him, I think it would be an off-season trade. They need time to do a lot of re-tooling if they decide to move a piece as significant as Bryant (or Javy or Willson).

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    I'm buying that. They just won't be able to sign them all. Baez is the one I think will be the one Theo secures. Bryant w/ Boras will be just ridiculously high. With 2 years left, he's at his value peak right now. It might not be til the off season, but a Bryant trade for a serious return, would not surprise me.

  • In reply to JohnCC:

    This is where the farm system comes into play. Remember those waves and waves of talent we used to hear about? It shouldn't be necessary to sign EVERY good player to a massive contract. Some could be traded, knowing that a replacement is waiting at AAA or AA. Those trades, if done properly, should result in MORE replacement players in the minor leagues. The issue now is that guys like Schwarber, Russell and Almora haven't reached their projected performance levels, so it's hard to think about trading guys like Bryant, Rizzo, Baez. There's no one at AAA to replace them and their hitting sure won't be picked up by the Cubs that stay.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    This post seems eerily similar to a post I wrote recently about Theo's management of the cubs draft and his inability to bring this to fruition with his last 4 years of draft picks, and I seem to recall people commenting it wasn't his fault the picks haven't developed, well maybe that's because they weren't that good, except for a few spots where theyhad a good year or a good WS, sometimes people get carried away with sss's and end up with egg on their face....

  • In reply to tater:

    Credit the wonderful learning experience I've had, reading the wisdom of all your posts.

  • I've gotten so used to this team scoring 1 run a night.

  • Ok here’s my blockbuster trade we should make. One stop shopping to help the Cubs win the division and the Dbacks have a fair shake at the wildcard; ironic that they may be our competition for a wildcard spot actually.

    Cubs should trade Willson Contreras, Cole Hamels, Jose Quintana, Addison Russell, Nico Hoerner, and Miguel Amaya to the Dbacks for Ketel Marte, Carson Kelly, and Zach Greinke.

    Cubs would gain two hitters that hit well against lefties and also strikeout at lower rates than Contreras. Marte (a switch hitter who is good at both sides of the plate) could actually fill the leadoff spot and split time between 2B and CF, allowing Bote or Almora to be the other fielder depending who matches up better against opposing starting pitching. Carson Kelly can platoon with Caratini (who would see most his action against RHP). Kelly is also a good defensive catcher with a comparable arm to Willson’s, but obviously wouldn’t hit as well. So the teams would be swapping an all star catcher for an all star 2nd basemen. Then everything else the Cubs send is for a young, solid defensive catcher and a really good aging starter who the Dbacks desperately need to get out of the remaining contract ($70M owed for the following 2 years). Sure the Cubs would be on the hook for a lot of money on Greinke, but Marte is under a team friendly contract for 3 more years (plus 2 option years), and Carson Kelly won’t even be arbitration eligible till 2021. I think something like this can greatly help both teams, especially with the Dbacks in need of starting pitching and having a shot at the wildcard this year, but more so to free up spending money for the future, and a couple good prospects heading their way.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    That is a blockbuster.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    All in all, it seems to me that you give up some hitting by losing Contreras while you gain some back with Marte; further deplete the farm system, lessen the depth of the starting rotation, all while driving up the payroll and making it harder for the Cubs to sign FA's in the offseason. Maybe as a starting point, if the D-backs have a couple of prospects to add.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I thought the very same things you stated. The major leaguers sound about equal. Let them throw in two of their top prospects to even out the trade.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Marte has an OPS over .900, and Kelly's is .890. They both slug over .500, yet both K less than 20% (Marte has 14% K-rate) compared to Contreras's 25% . They both have OBP above .350. Marte switch hitter, also has a career .305/.368/.477 slash line as a leadoff hitter. He also can play SS, along with his 2b and CF gloves.

    It definitely depletes the farm system, but Marte is 25 and locked up for about $19M over the next 3 years, with $18M in options over 2 more. As I mentioned Carson Kelly is about to turn 25 and is totally cost controlled. Perhaps with the prospects I'd have the Cubs sending AZ, they'd have to eat $8-9M per year of Greinke's contract?

    As for stating pitching depth. I'd take Greinke, Lester, and Hendricks as our top 3 going into any playoff series. Darvish would be 4 in the regular season rotation, but I'd imagine it would be up to Alzolay and Chatwood for the 5th spot, and take the hottest of the 3 for the postseason rotation. Montgomery would be a wildcard if he got it together.

    I initially started thinking about this trade by asking myself, "would the D-backs take Javy Baez, and give us Ketel Marte?" Except for Ketel is just an average 2nd basemen, so he'd probably be slightly underwhelming at SS. Hence grew into my idea about Contreras for Ketel. Straight up, I don't think it helps the Cubs get any better, but giving up the 2 starters, Russell, and the prospects seems fair when all of a sudden we would have a legitimate ace to our staff, and our catcher position would be sitting pretty with both Caratini and Kelly for the next 4-5 years while we develop the interesting catching prospects we've just added to our farm system.

    Also, just compare Ketel's and Javy's offensive numbers. Ketel has a higher BA, OBP, SLG, with exactly half the strikeouts, and more walks, and we'd have them both in the lineup.

    Further, think about if Zobrist came back in another month. Against RHSP: Marte (CF), Baez, Rizzo, Bryant, Zobrist (2b), Schwarber, Heyward, Caratini, pitcher. or against LHSP, just insert Kelly instead of Caratini.

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    In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Until Marte proves this year isn't an abberation , I would pump the brakes on something like this, besides Greinke's contract would be too much of a problem in the future, we need to add young pitching
    and get Contrares in left field and move Schwarber to the AL..

  • In reply to tater:

    Contreras to LF? Now that's an interesting in house move. Guessing you're suggesting giving Caratini a shot at the full time job (I think he can handle it) and finding a vet back up.

    It would optimize Willson's offense. And taking a base on him is at your own risk. Get what they can for Kyle. As an added bonus you have a legitimate 3rd catcher when needed.

    I'd still like to see Garcia get a real chance. Love that swing from both sides. Maybe Butterfield can help him with the mitt.

    One of the best idea's I've heard for the present. Who leads off in your scenario?

  • I would like a minor trade with the White Sox. They need a starter and Monty needs a new start. Reckon we could get either Frey or Bummer for Monty? I know Rosario and Ryan looked good yesterday but I still would prefer a better Loogy for the stretch run. Bummer would be more than a Loogy.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    This is more in line with the kind of trade that I would expect. The blockbusters above are more likely in the off season.
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  • I think it would rushing Hoerner to pull him up within the next month, but that doesn't mean that it won't happen. It would be similar to when we moved Castro and rushed Addi. I think Nico could handle it better than Russell, both short and long term. Truth is this team needs a second baseman who is a tough out, and we need him now. Without the broken wrist, it might have already happened.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Very possible. Losing 3+ months or whatever it was since last year didn't help. He might have been on is way to Iowa this week.

  • I Read where the Cubs could be looking at Peralta. Career .290ish BA & .350ish OBP. This is the type of move I see them doing.

    I really don’t believe they are going to deal from the core yet. The core I refer to is Bryant, Baez, Rizzo & Contreras. Heyward’s Contract & CF/RF versatility & performance this year means he stays. Schwarber is on the edge of that core. If they left him in the part of the batting order where he belongs, he would probably not even be discussed as trade bait either. Listening to Theo lately, expect Zobrist back & probably lead off if they don’t acquire someone who can.

    That leaves the rest of the position players, Montgomery, prospects & 4A depth, including Happ. As trade pieces. Caratini only if another b/up is acquired in same or corresponding move. Also, the infamous player(s) to be named later.... I definitely don’t see a blockbuster style move in season.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Which Peralta?

  • In reply to JohnCC:

    David. D-Bax

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    I've heard Theo also. Counting on a 38 year old part time lead off man who was off to a slow start and hasn't played in months doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

    The landscape is much different than it was in '16. The Cubs look over matched against the Braves and Dodgers right now to put it mildly. Not to mention struggling mightily against rebuilding division foes.

    Little doubt Theo & Jed sees it too. I really think a shake up is coming. We're not watching a blip in season. It's been a trend for 2+ years.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    I said “if they don’t acquire one”. Never said counting on him. And Schwarber batting leadoff makes you “warm & fuzzy”? Zobrist any day & every day over him.

    Totally disagree. They aren’t trading Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Contreras & Heyward before November. They want to still try & win this season. Schwarber is the only guy they might trade from the starting lineup before the deadline. But I highly doubt they will. They probably use the other pieces I said they might.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    LOL. No I'm not a fan of Kyle in the 1 hole. That needs to change.

    I'm not even advocating moving Bryant now. Just see it as a possibility because he's gone one way or another. The Boras factor. And his return value is high. I put him at the top of the shake up list because Javy plays THE premium position. Contreras is versatile and a catcher. Both are probably better possibilities to re-sign.

    Just have a feeling something unexpected is coming. I don't see this FO hoping for enough of a turnaround to limp into the playoffs and get swatted out in short order. Another big question is how much money is available this season.

    Something is coming. Question is what.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    What's interesting about Peralta Milk stout is what would his addition mean for Schwarber. I'm not someone that's been unsupportive of Schwarber over the years, and will always be thankful of what he did for this organization in 2015-16 especially. But if this is what he is then I can't help but think that he has to be amongst the group of players that can be improved upon. I personally wonder if Kyle is ever going to be a consistent run producer with RISP, and I'm starting to question if his hitting is enough given his other deficiencies as a player. Not to say Kyle isn't a solid player but this OF collectively needs to be held accountable.

    The good thing about Peralta is not only does he have a steady offensive track record, but he can play RF adequately if they want to use Heyward in CF sometimes. I know his defensive metrics aren't great at times but when I evaluate him I think he's clearly a better defender then Kyle. My biggest concern is cost as I don't see Peralta as a guy I'd give up Hoerner or Alzolay for. In addition he's on the IL with a shoulder injury. Is that injury similar to the injury that we saw sap Kris Bryant's power last year?

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    It would mean against righties they’d have an all LH OF. And certain matchups against LHs as well. It would mean Almora is traded or stays in the role he is. Hopefully, depending on who would get traded for Peralta, it would also mean that DD is gone. Hitting performances will sort the rest out.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Agreed milk stout. In a way he'd simply be replacing what they were hoping to get out of Cargo. I imagine Peralta would likely get more playing time even because his career numbers indicate a player that would be this OF's best offensive producer. Decent fit though and I don't think he'd be crazy costly as he mostly didn't put up slugger power numbers until 2018 where he hit 30 home runs. This year he has 9 thus far so I feel he maybe obtainable without giving up the teams top prospects. Either way I think this OF has gotten enough patience from this team and fanbase. They need more offensive production out of that group. And personally I don't like Almora as an everyday starter but think he's a great fit as a bench type. Great guy in the clubhouse too plus he can pinch run and be a defensive replacement

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I've been a fan of Kyle's from day one. But there's only so many roster spots and he's always going to make you nervous out there. He's improved yes. But it still gets ugly.

    You hate giving up on young players. Who's going to take that next step between 28 & 30? He has the potential to be a beast with the bat. But he's done catching and this team's OF production has to improve.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    And maybe Peralta just fills the Cargo role with room for more ABs if he outhits the cubs OF group, which is very possible if not likely. I'd personally have no issues taking ABs away from Schwarber or Heyward, as I don't believe their performance has locked down their spots. Heyward probably plays if he continues to hit but some of his underlying metrics aren't very promising I've read, and he's had a history of poor 2nd halves with the cubs. Let these guys earn their playing time sometimes competition is good for players. Personally some possibly available hitters I like are Peralta, Whit Merrifield (gonna be expensive), Nick Castellanos (rental-not too pricey). Not the greatest hitters market though.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Castellanos is actually a solid little player.....

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Also, Schwarber should not be batting leadoff. His career #s are not a sss anymore. He hits best in the 6th position in the bigger sample. 8th in the smaller sample. But for obvious reasons, he cannot bat 8th when any of Almora, Russell, DD & pitcher are in the order. I just don’t believe Theo is going to trade from the main core & possibly Schwarber during this season. After the season? Depending on how they finish/perform...? Possibly.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Agreed on the leadoff spot. He was productive there for a while so they rode him while he was hot, but he's not a long term leadoff guy. I liked the idea to kickstart him when he was struggling but he's not a consistent enough hitter to bat leadoff. His lack of speed also isn't ideal and that isn't to say I believe that you need a speedy leadoff guy. But I don't think Kyle hits enough to leadoff given his non ideal lack of speed is moreso what I'm getting at.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Agree. No Hoerner or Alzolay. Peralta is an upgrade but not a core player like Baez, Bryant, Rizzo, Contreras... Those type of guys would command the bigger costs. Cubs aren’t going to break up this team before this tradeline. They’d have to go 0 for their 1st 10 & fall 10 back. And even then they probably wouldn’t until after the season.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Exactly I want a core piece back for those 2. Merrifield maybe that guy but even there I wouldn't like to give up on a Nico Hoerner for him. Honestly Nico kinda reminds me of Whit in some ways as it is except Whit is 30 while Nico is just starting his career. Overall Nico is the one untouchable in the minors for me, and I'd also be reluctant to trade Alzolay unless they really got a core type of piece back. Certainly wouldn't deal either for a good complementary hitter like Peralta.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Merrifield would be a great way to jump start this team offensively. It's not a coincidence that Fowler was the igniter in 15/16 and since he's been gone, it just hasn't been the same. Trouble is, the Royals would want a huge return.

  • In reply to Ronson54:

    Agreed Ronson. I think in general despite his stats falling off in St. Louis, people forget how much of an impact player Dexter was during the 2016 regular season. For me speeds ideal but a leadoff hitters #1 job is to simply get on base and be a table setter. Dexter had a whopping .393 OBP in 2016 and accumulated 4.6 fWar. And he also gave them a speed element with 20 SB in 2015 and 13 SB in 2016. Point is they've never quite replaced him. Merrifield to me is the ideal leadoff hitter that's available at the deadline. He fills holes at 2B and regularly plays all OF spots. But most importantly he gives them a contact hitting ability that this team lacks, and he can help aid their team struggles vs. LHP. The fit is great but my concern is that the royals will put their foot down in an attempt to pry Nico Hoerner.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    As we know, Theo has shown a willingness to give up young talent for immediate needs. I wonder if he feels the sting of the Q trade or if he'll go for it that way again. I could be wrong, but I wonder if Schwarber/ Russell/ Happ/ Montgomery/ Almora on the table make a difference for a KC that craves controllable players...?

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Peralta is terrible against LHP, he's a band-aid that doesn't fully cover the wound, and he's gonna cost close to $10M next season. No thanks. I'm patient enough to give Schwarber one more year (his age 27 season) to prove himself. The reward far outweighs the risk.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    To exemplify what I say about Peralta against LHP. Career split against lefties, he has a .660 OPS, 2019 split against LHP is .599 OPS. Just to be clear, .660 and .599 are not typos...

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Yeah 3 things I don't like about Peralta are he has a pre-existing shoulder injury, he's left handed when this OF is already too left handed (plus they all don't hit LHP), and he's not a defensive asset. That's why I still feel there aren't many ideal options outside of Whit Merrifield. I'm higher on Peraltas bat then you are though he's still a consistent hitter that hits for average, gets on base, and drives in runs. I know we're taught by fangraphs to think that RBI's don't matter anymore in today's game, but that's something I don't always agree with and this OF has consistently failed with RISP. All of them collectively aren't RBI hitters and it's no small sample anymore. I understand Schwarber comes with a smaller salary, but I'll take Peralta the hitter any day over Schwarber myself. I think the cubs need less poor contact hitters like Kyle and better contact guys. Who knows maybe if they trade for Peralta then they trade Schwarber for other pieces. Personally I'd have no issues if they decided to replace Kyle with Peralta, but I agree with you that hitting lefties is by far a bigger issue with this OF group and this team in general. If peralta would presumably be here to hit righties, then does he really add much there over Heyward and Schwarber? I personally think Peralta is gonna cost more then he's worth to the cubs, so I also prefer someone else ideally. But I do think changes need to be made to this lineup, and I do think Peralta fits the profile of the type of hitter that I think can help complement this lineup.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    It's why I keep coming back to Ketel Marte. Good contract and he only cost $4.4M next year. I think he's gonna be a stud with the bat! We're just starting to see what he's capable of. He doesn't expand his zone. He has exactly HALF the strikeouts as Baez, more walks, but only 2 less HR and 9 less RBI. I don't think there's a better batter to put at the top of our lineup than him. He has a higher BA, OBP and SLG than Baez. I'd give up Contreras and Nico straight up for Ketel Marte and Carson Kelly, but I don't think AZ goes for that. Hence why I'd give up Hamels and Q (throw in Russell) and add Miguel Amaya to have Greinke at the top of our rotation.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    My only thing on Marte is I never really thought he was all that good until this season. I don't really know if I like the idea of trading established stars for a guy that frankly maybe a 1 year wonder hitting wise. I don't follow Marte over the years particularly closely though. What makes you believe that he's gonna repeat what he's doing now every year that's my issue with the Marte proposal. I feel in baseball sometimes medicore players have good years but not saying that's the case here. Just his short track record concerns me I'd guess the cubs say no if anything.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I've seen him play in AZ for the last couple years and he's always struck me as a guy who could be impact if his bat improves. Maybe it's the juiced ball? However, I did just come across this article this afternoon.

    https://blogs.fangraphs.com/consider-ketel-marte-broken-out/

    Here's the conclusion the writer draws, but really read the article: "I’ll leave you with three ways in which Ketel Marte has improved at the plate. He selects better pitches to hit, hits them harder, and rounds the bases more often. With these adjustments, he might just be establishing himself as a cornerstone in the Arizona lineup for many years to come."

    It's funny, because I read this article and it mentions Ketel improving on all the things I want Javy to improve on. Ketel is only 25. Under contract for $2.4M this year, $4.4M next, then $8.4M (Followed by $8M and $10M team options). If all are picked up, his last year of control is at age 30. Even if he regresses next season and falls somewhere between who he is this year and was the last couple years, his contract is team friendly. I see that as a much more valuable get than Merrifield's contract as he's already 30. He'd be worth the prospects and losing a guy like Contreras for. The big rub, if anyone is thinking what I'm willing to give up isn't enough for all I want in that trade, is we'd probably be saving the D-backs at least $60M in payroll over the next to years to take Greinke off their hands. They'd receive 2 top 100 prospects for it, as well as Hamels being a comparable pitcher to replace Greinke for this season, and $10.5 option on Q for next season.

    If people don't like my proposed trade, that's probably because it seems like we'd be giving up quite a bit, but you gotta give some to get some.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    His defense is fine moreso meant I have my doubts about his ability to be a star hitter every year based off his past

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    It’s the rumor that I read. They could do a lot worse.... & they did, Cargo, DD. Both of them are LH.

    I’m pretty sure Theo & Co know he doesn’t hit lefties well. But I’m sure they know that despite the poor Lefty on Lefty #s, that he’s hitting .290 with almost .360 obp. on the year. That’s a good bat to have. Bryant can take a game in RF against the lefty & Bote can get a 3B while Garcia or Russell play a 2B. It’s not rocket science, especially with Joe mixing & matching.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    I wasn't shooting it down as if it was your recommendation and attacking you, sorry it read that way... I read the MLBTR rumor about that. I just think he's on the downside of his career and if we're gonna give up anything, it might as well be for someone younger and with more upside for the long-term. My thought is they'd have to trade Schwarber or Happ to get Peralta, and it wouldn't surprise me if either of those guys turned a corner and became better players before they get to their peak years. Which at that point would provide more value. I see a move for Peralta as not really fixing what needs to be fixed with our lineup. We are weak against LH pitching. Bote actually has better splits against RHP rather than left, both for his career and this year. If I remember correctly, he's hitting under .200 against LHP this year, and for his short career so far, his OPS against LHP is just over .700, so I don't see adding Peralta giving us more help where we need it. Sure we may dominate some RHP better, which would be nice, but how does that work in the playoffs against lefties like Ryu, Kershaw, and Hill? If we can build up our roster to compete against the Dodgers, Braves, and maybe the Nats in the postseason, I'm open to going all in, but the cost will be high. Hence why I'd rather giving up a bigger player and make a bigger deal to really show this team's current they need to produce.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    I don’t think they would have too. They got Miggy for jeferson Mejia & Zach Godley. Not exactly household names. Montero was 31 & set to make $12 mil at the time From AZ. If it costs more than those kind of pieces, then depending on what they’d want, I’d think the FO would say no. Move along to a different acquisition. I also don’t believe AZ trades Marte, for exactly the reasons you want him.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    I think David Peralta is a terrible idea. He doesn't hit lefties well at all. We need to get better against LHP. He's also a player on the decline who will likely cost about $10M next year. Currently on DL with shoulder issues (which I believe is a reoccurring thing for him) and his power is definitely down this year, even with the juiced ball. That's alarming.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Peralta has a career BA of .311, an obp of .363 with ops of .884 vs RH pitchers. Just to be clear, .884 is not a typo. His Risp is very similar. That would be a huge addition to the struggling lineup if the cost was reasonable & his medicals checked out. If not find the next available bat. They could try Cargo again or DD some more. That might be better, eh?

  • The more I think about Contreras moving to LF and being the 3rd C the more I like it. Really adds to their positional depth without chewing up a roster spot. And adding a 26th man next year makes it even more valuable. That's a lot of late game, extra innings flexibility.

    For me that removes him from a trade possibility and into re-sign.

    One thing is certain. Some changes are needed. And shuffling the lineup isn't the answer.

  • In reply to Cubmitted:

    I like this, but the return has to be right. If the Cubs get a catcher who hits .220 hitter that doesn't have Willson's game calling skills, there wouldn't be much of a net gain.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Caratini starts at C. Vet back up. In the David Ross vein would be fine.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Agreed. They’d run on Caratini all day & a new catcher doesn’t know the pitching staff. Contreras shuts most opponents running game down. Picks off runners at 1st & knows the pitchers. Mid season isn’t the time for experiments with an important cog as your starting catcher. Terrible idea.

  • Should never had traded him in the first place unless we got a top starter.

  • In reply to Roe Skidmore:

    Totally agree. Him, who?

  • I like what I see with Robel Garcia at second base, though his fielding at the major league level is an unknown. Seeing him in a Cubs uniform makes me ask about Trent Giambrone. Another late bloomer having a breakout season at Iowa. Could he be a potential Josh Donaldson late bloomer, or is he an Adduci, Zagunis 4A player? I don’t know, but I look at Garcia and see an athlete with a pretty left handed stroke, at least. He should be coachable to play outfield better than Kyle Schwarber because he has good wheels, an oddity for a Cub.

    Giambrone also has speed and his age could be looked as a positive, as in maturity and resilience. In a juiced ball period, the Cubs need hitters and he and Robel Garcia are possibilities to be tested in July. I think we know Descalso is no solution and Russell is a known disappointment at this point.

    They can cut or trade Montgomery, bring up Maples or Norwood or nobody, because with Chatwood as long man they can get along with one less pitcher now.

    Contreras and possibly Garcia in left field allow you to trade Kyle Schwarber and also acquire an interesting prospect. I know people think I am nuts, but the Cubs could really use a burner, too. Terence Gore and Billy Hamilton are both on a horrible Kansas City team. Either could help the Cubs in late inning situations when a runner in scoring position is manna to be collected. And wouldn’t it be nice if the Cubs had acquired Michael Lorenzen of Cincy during the offseason as a two way player. The game is no longer laughing at two way players anymore. Think different, Cubs and fans.

  • I think the Cubs should go after Lindor. If you are going to trade the farm for Merrifield, why not get the better version of that type of player. This would be more of an off-season type trade, but Theo has pulled off some big ones in season.
    Lindor for Schwarber, and 2 of the top 5 and another top ten, Indians choice. May not be enough, but the other power teams are set up the middle and may not want to match.
    If you’re going to dream, dream big.

  • Has anyone thought about a Cubs/Red Sox connection. Both teams need to make some changes. I keep thinking about the Schwarber for Benintendi talks from a few years ago. Obviously that trade straight up wouldn’t be close today, but the Sox need bullpen arms. Would a Schwarber, Almora, Brach or Kintzler, Maples or Norwood and mid range prospect be enough for Benintendi?

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Don’t even think that comes remotely close. Teams care about quality over quantity. Almora arguably isn’t a starting level CF, maples doesn’t have much trade value. Most likely it would have to be Contreras or someone like that going to the other side. Honestly I don’t even think they would trade a core player like benintendi for Nico hoerner and Schwarber his trade value is really high

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I’m sure your right. I’d just really love to see Benintendi leading off playing CF in Chicago. I know they really liked Schwarber a few years ago as a replacement for Big Papi, but unfortunately Kyle hasn’t lived up to the hype. .

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    4.5 war player that can handle CF last year he would be a dream pickup, and honestly I was very upset when The Red Sox drafted him when he was reportedly the cubs target. Issue is he’s one of the Red Sox core young cost controlled players, and unfortunately you rarely see teams match up on those types of deals with players that have top 50 trade values

  • Maybe the Cubs should go after Jon Jay. He's not top shelf, but would be helpful at leadoff and in the outfield. He probably wouldn't be too costly in the value given up.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Let Nico and Zo (when they get here) man second to lengthen the lineup. I know that we have been there and done that with Jay and Ben, but they often have gotten the job done.

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