Cubs vs White Sox: Series Preview (6/18-6/19)

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The Cubs did not fare well on their tough road trip to Colorado and Los Angeles. The 2-5 record is a bit misleading as Chicago dropped a pair of one-run games. Perhaps more importantly, the Brewers went 2-4 over the same stretch and are only a half-game up over the North Siders.

Now the Cubs head home for the quasi-rivalry with the crosstown White Sox. The young Sox are hanging around .500 at 34-36, far behind the first-place Twins. José Abreu is still the big hitter in the heart of the order with 17 home runs. Tim Anderson is having a break out season at shortstop with a team leading 76 hits.

Pitching has been a real problem for the Pale Hosers in 2019. Lucas Giolito has been Cy Young quality this season with a 2.22 ERA and 95 strikeouts. The rest of the staff, not so much, the team ERA sits at 4.99. The winning formula for the South Siders has been to outscore their opponents.

I'm never really sure what to call this annual set of games. As someone who does not live in Chicago, it never really feels like a true rivalry. Being in different leagues is probably a big reason why that is. The White Sox fans and players seem more invested in it of late, perhaps because of their current rebuild. Either way, the Cubs need these games as they fight for the playoffs; so go get that Crosstown Cup boys!!!

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Lineups

White Sox

1. Leury Garcia (S) CF
2. Tim Anderson (R) SS
3. Jose Abreu (R) 1B
4. James McCann (R) C
5. Eloy Jimenez (R) LF
6. Jose Rondon (R) 3B
7. Ryan Cordell (R) RF
8. Yolmer Sanchez (S) 2B
9. Ivan Nova (R) P

Cubs

1. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
2. Kris Bryant (R) 3B
3. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
4. Javier Baez (R) SS
5. Jason Heyward (L) CF
7. Carlos Gonzalez (L) RF
8. Cole Hamels (L) P
9. Daniel Descalso (L) 2B
Bullpen Usage
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Lineups and Bullpen Usage via Baseball Press.

Opposing pitchers

Scouting Reports from Brooks Baseball.

Ivan Nova: Ivan Nova has thrown 18,608 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2010 and 2019, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season, the MLB Postseason and Spring Training. In 2019, he has relied primarily on his Sinker (93mph), also mixing in a Curve (81mph), Change (87mph), Fourseam Fastball (93mph) and Slider (87mph).

His sinker has an obvious tail, results in many more groundballs compared to other pitchers' sinkers and has some natural sinking action. His curve has primarily 12-6 movement, is slightly harder than usual and results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers' curves. His change has an obvious armside fade, generates fewer whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' changeups and is much firmer than usual. His fourseam fastball has heavy sinking action, has essentially average velo, results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers and has slight armside run. His slider has much less depth than expected, has primarily 12-6 movement and is much harder than usual.

Sean's Note: The Cubs saw Nova a lot in Pittsburgh and tended to struggle against him. Ivan has been horrible in 2019 with a 6.28 ERA in 77.1 innings. He has just 51 strikeouts, an incredibly low 14.9% K rate. His line drive rate is a career-high 26% and he has given up 14 homers. Lefties have mashed .349 against him this year.

Lucas Giolito: Lucas Giolito has thrown 5,409 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2014 and 2019, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season and Spring Training. In 2019, he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (95mph) and Change (83mph), also mixing in a Slider (85mph) and Curve (80mph).

His fourseam fastball generates more whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, results in somewhat more groundballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, has slightly above average velo and has some added backspin. His change generates more whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' changeups and has a lot of backspin. His slider generates a high number of swings & misses compared to other pitchers' sliders, is an extreme flyball pitch compared to other pitchers' sliders and has less than expected depth. His curve has an exceptional bite, is basically never swung at and missed compared to other pitchers' curves, has primarily 12-6 movement and results in somewhat more groundballs compared to other pitchers' curves.

Sean's Note: Giolito struggled to an ERA over six his rookie year. This year could not be more different for the former top Nationals prospect. 95 strikeouts in 81 innings translate to 30% K rate in 2019. He has allowed just five homers all season long. In his last eight starts, he has surrendered a grand total of six runs.

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  • It would be nice to eliminate the bad taste of that road trip with a LARGE whooping of the white sox. Sweep, please.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I worry about Giolito tomorrow night which means tonight's game is really one they have to win. I was hoping the win would be blowing out for Nova but oh well.

  • Have three of regular four bench players starting tonight, would be satisfied with a win.

  • In reply to stix:

    How many HRs are you predicting for Descalso?

  • Tyler chatwood named the starter Thursday thus delaying alzolays debut. I’m not in on team conversations to know what was their thinking, but I’m not surprised at this decision as I warned a few days ago. It’s unfortunate I was really excited to see alzolay, but in my eyes calling him up after 6 AAA starts isn’t ideal. They still need to build up adberts innings in AAA coming off an injury plagued season. I’m disappointed but I understand their thought process on doing what’s in the best interests of his development as an individual

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I don't like that at all.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I guess my surprise is that Theo said they were going to bring him up sometime in the next few weeks even before the Hendricks IL stint. Plus with the starts lining up, and the idea of facing an anemic NY offense, it seemed a no brainer. There had to be numbers that influenced this decision. I don't buy the innings thing, he would have been up last year if he hadn't gotten hurt.

  • In reply to TC154:

    I'd really like to see Alzolay get the chance too. However, in his recovery process, the FO probably finds it much safer for him to stay in AAA for now, and make sure to limit the stressful innings.

  • In reply to TC154:

    I respectfully disagree on the innings issue. After last seasons injury durability is arguably the biggest obstacle that alzolay needs to overcome. He’s not gonna build up his young arm to start in future seasons by pitching out of the pen all year long. If they plan to go in that direction, then he needs to build up innings now as a starter. I view him as a long term starter, and you’ve expressed similar expectations of him in the past. It’s not convenient or fun for fans, but the organization has to think big picture on this issue as much as we can use him now. His numbers couldn’t be much better considering it’s the PCL. I think it’s more of a SSS and innings buildup issue, as I suspected from the start. I still think he may get called up fairly soon if chatwood struggles or Hendricks is out longer then expected

  • In reply to TC154:

    Should pitch for the Mets vs Cubs. Mets have more hits than the Cubs rest of stats show the Cubs have better slugging, OBP but Cubs aren’t that much better than the Mets.

  • In reply to TC154:

    Theo never said he was coming up. He said he was an option they would consider.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Maybe they're working on a trade that would open a roster spot for Adbert, but they aren't quite there yet???

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    My only thing is they have wicks roster spot technically and there’s an open rotation spot with Kyle. I’d go as far as to say I strongly believe that it’s mainly building up innings in addition to the fact that he hasn’t pitched at AAA long this year. And his numbers at AAA last season were solid but not close to dominant. After John preached for years about the need to not rush prospects due to many factors largely including building up innings for young pitchers, im surprised others find that reasoning so illogical. Obviously as a fan it’s not what I want to hear, but sometimes the organization has to look at the best interests of the prospect not the team

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    My first thought was they have an agreement/understanding with Chatwood, that he gets the first opportunity on spot starts when the need arises............

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    I don’t think they would do that if they felt alzolay gave them a better shot to win, UNLESS Hendricks is only expected to miss say 1-2 starts. In that case there’s arguably minimal benefit to calling up alzolay in what amounts to a 1-2 game showcase. But I think you make a good point in that keeping vets happy was likely a consideration. I think it’s all of the above I don’t think there’s one factor in this decision. I’d say it’s probably a variety of some of the suggestions that we’ve seen as excuses for why they’re leaving him in AAA. They do have to worry about keeping guys happy though fans don’t want to hear these things, but that was probably a factor in their decision

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    There is no way the team would have an agreement/understanding with Chatwood that he gets the first opportunity on spot starts when the need arises. He had his chance to start last year and it did not go well. I think they just felt it wasn't a good time for Alzolay to pitch in the majors this week. I am sure they have their reasons.

  • Interesting numbers here. These are each of what I consider the best 8 Cubs position players that they can place on the field at one time. The stats are from their last 30 games:

    Schwarbs 134PA, 23R, 10HR, 22RBI, 14BB, 39K .241/.313/.552/.865
    Bryant 128PA, 25R, 7HR, 12RBI, 11BB, 25K .295/.383/.554/.936
    Rizzo 128PA, 20R, 9HR, 22RBI, 12BB, 17K .321/.406/.598/1.004
    Bote 96 PA, 12R, 5HR, 17RBI, 9BB, 26K .302/.365/.547/.911
    Contreras 114PA, 10R, 4HR, 15RBI, 8BB, 28K .265/.333/.422/.755
    Baez 123PA, 14R, 6HR, 17RBI, 6BB, 43K .231/.268/.436/.704
    Heyward 120PA, 15R, 4HR, 8RBI, 15BB, 23K .238/.333/.371/.705
    Almora 101PA, 14R, 5HR, 11RBI, 6BB, 14K .258/.303/.473/.776

    I even placed them in the order I think they should bat (for now)... of course Maddon would never do this.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Interesting. Baez has lowest OPS of your 8. Is it time to give him a day or two off?

  • In reply to stix:

    Why would they bench javy now he’s steadily getting better after the horrible stretch in the 2 weeks following his injury. Sorry but you 2 tend to pile on the guy whenever his statistics bottom out. The idea of sitting Báez just baffles me he just got a day off

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    For what it’s worth, at this point I don’t think Javy should be benched. We don’t have enough good players to afford that. While he was injured and in the middle of playing the worst baseball he had since his first call up, I thought it wouldn’t have hurt us while playing the Astros, and the extra day off after.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    I’d agree with the Astros series benching. He seems to be getting better with the injury, but I think we forget that he still isn’t moving at even 90% I’d put him at 80% currently and improving. But he looked pretty beat up during that week the cubs played the Astros and cards. I think he’s fine though now he hasn’t been in mvp form for a while but he can clearly contribute at this point in his recovery

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    We need Javy... On any day he can be our best player, and always is one of our best 3. But the truth is he's not bigger than the game, and he's not helping us win games lately. Sure he can come up in a big spot every once in a while and WOW us all, but he's not consistent lately. I think the pitchers have kinda figured him out again lately, and it's his turn to adjust to them. I guess the fact that he swings at too many of the pitches off the plate will make it hard for him to adjust, because at this point why should the pitchers change what they are doing if it's been very effective, essentially turning him into an Albert Almora hitter, but with 3 times the strikeouts? The pitchers own Javy on the outside corner, even the strikes that are on the lower outside corner is an easy way to get him out. Ryu struck him out on 3 pitches (1 fastball/2 change ups) using that approach in his first AB on Sunday night, all right on the outside corner at the knees. In another AB, Ryu threw Javy 5 changeups off the outside corner. Javy did good to only swing at the closer ones, but then Ryu later in the AB, once he was ahead, attacked him with harder stuff on the lower inside corner. That was the one where Javy was upset at the called 3rd strike. Truth is Javy is looking so far off the plate on the outside corner that even a strike on the inside corner looks like a ball to him. Ryu showed how good he can be. Javy is timing changeups off the plate and froze at the fastball on the inside corner at the knees. He didn't like that call, he was furious with the ump. I hope Javy looked at the tape and saw how open to striking out he leaves himself when he's hunting pitches off the outside corner. He will only learn by discovering that himself. I'm gonna assume that the coaches have told him some of this stuff before...

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Didn’t realize taking a game or two off is a benching. He’s entitled to time off as is everyone else. Why not take a day or two against weaker opponents.

    Contreras is sitting again tonight after a day off and has 5 hits in the last three games. I don’t consider a couple of days off as a benching.

    Different sport but the NBA stars take maintenance days throughout the year.

  • In reply to stix:

    Willson is a catcher apples and oranges. Javy is the most complete player on this roster, and he had Monday as a day off. If they didn’t give him time off when he was beat up in Houston, then why would they give him time off now as his healthy has steadily progressed? The all star breaks coming up and I don’t feel as if javy is too fatigued at this point to play. He had some days off against stl and others the weekend they swept us

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I just checked, he had 8 hits in the 10 games after he hurt his heel. He has 7 hits in the last 10 games. For whatever that’s worth.

  • In reply to stix:

    You’re cherry picking lol since the Astros/cardinal road stand where he was limping badly (when cubber suggested sitting him a day), he’s only played 14 games. In those 4 games that you probably intentionally excluded in your argument, he went 2-4 with a 2B, HR, 3 RBIs in the 1st of those 4 excluded games. In game 2 he went 3-4 with a 2 run HR, game 3 he went 0-4 with 1 K, game 4 he went 2-4 with the teams lone rbi in the loss to Pete lambert. That’s an absolutely dominating 4 games let’s not give research that completely misconstrues how the man has played since that tough road stand against stl and Houston. He clearly has been the most beat up regular over the past month, and some of you selectively jump on the guy whenever his numbers bottom out. To not include that 4 game got stretch in your analysis is frankly biased to serve your point of view. I’d also argue he’s hit into some horrible luck during these past 14 games.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Sorry to get you so upset . He got hurt on May 20. So the first ten games after he got hurt include six games with the Phils and reds. I didn’t try to get to the astros/Cards series. I went until the end of May and then picked the last ten games played for a comparison. No cherres /apples/oranges involved .

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I don’t take things personally there’s nothing to be angry or upset about it’s baseball. The point is if you’re going to counter my viewpoint that he’s progressing by providing recent stats that excludes the guys best 4 games over a 14 game stretch, then that’s the definition of biased and incomplete statistical analysis. I said to cubber he struggled for a couple of weeks after the injury, but he’s recently starting to progress on the field and health-wise when you watch him move. You provided stats saying he’s made no progression by using flawed and incomplete statistics. He’s obviously not in his best form, but as long as his health is improving then he should generally be on the field. If he’s crazy fatigued then by all means give him an off day at some point, but I wouldn’t do sit him based off what I’ve seen on the field recently. Cubs didn’t score much this past road stand overall.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    And stix I get that you’re just saying give him maintenance days overall. I just don’t feel like the need is as dire now as it was the week they played Houston as cubber also suggested. I wouldn’t sit him bc he’s not in his best form is my only point, bc he provides defense and baserunning even when he doesn’t go 3-4. If maddon feels he’s very fatigued then I wouldn’t be against it, but maddon is usually fairly conservative when it comes to resting guys

  • In reply to stix:

    I thought it was time to give him a couple days off when he had the injured heal while they were playing the Astros, after his 0 for 5 with 5 strikeouts in the first game. He could’ve sat two days and then had a third day off from the scheduled day off after the series.

    I also spoke of noticing he’s looking to pull and hammer more balls as we started into about the 2nd week of May (pre-injury and during his 16-game hitting streak). He was still hitting well at the time, but that’s quite some regression. So now there’s data to back up what I thought I was seeing. 36.1% of his hits went to opposite field in March/April, 31.3% in May, and now 26.7% to opposite field in June.

  • In reply to stix:

    Nah. Cubber just loves to point out the flaws in Javy's game, especially while he's in a slump with SSS, cherry-picked numbers. Cubber don't like Javy. Am I wrong?

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Joe's playing the odds, like most managers do. Lefties kill Nova this year, he's much better against righties. Which is why Schwarber and Gonzales are in the OF instead of Almora and Bote. Descalso and Russell are both poor hitters (this year at least), so putting Descalso in is a wash.
    Caratini is a good matchup in this game.

    I'd prefer Bote over CarGo in the outfield, but otherwise no probs with me.

  • In reply to HefCA:

    I actually wasn't using that lineup saying it would be good for today's game. I was just stating my preffered lineup in general terms. You are right about today's matchups.

  • What do they use that “Cup” for nowadays, oil changes? I just have never been able to get up for playing these guys after the novelty of interleague play wore off for me after about 5 years. What makes it worse is to even lose to them. Hopefully that doesn’t happen.
    Go Cubs!

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Now it's the Bueno Beef Cup, or however you spell it. It is completely meaningless to me, and always has been. That "other league" doesn't even play real baseball.

  • Of the 7 through 9 hitters in the lineup Hamels is probably the best hitter.

  • Mike Dunn released by Colorado. Honestly his numbers stink and he’s missed plenty of time with Colorado due to injury. But I wonder if he maybe an interesting no risk LH reliever. He’s 34 so he maybe finished, but Coors field has hurt many pitchers careers. I know I really liked the guy during his marlins tenure and early rockie days. Maybe he’s done I don’t know enough about his current form to push a deal either way. But certainly a guy that would’ve been a perfect fit in his prime

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    The only agreement I can see the Cubs making with Chatwood is the $38M 3 year one he signed a year ago. I don't trust our bullpen and, I wouldn't have said this last year, but he's one of the few I trust there. To take him out and start him seems to hurt the bullpen. Alzolay might have butterflies, but he's also got great stuff and I want to see him pitch. He very well could be starting next year with us, so to ease him in this year seems wise. I'm sure we'll see him, but we need our young pitchers to force their way up through the minors and make it up here.
    As for the game, I have to admit I'd like the Cubs to win 8-2, with the 2 coming on an Eloy Jimenez HR. I don't like the trade but I do like him.
    Let's get some runs!!

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    I had this discussion with a few fans this morning. Alzolay is kicking butt, and Theo said he could be used for a spot start. I think I go with Chatwood, depending on how our games play out. I think Alzolay last pitched Friday (I could be wrong), so I think we use Chatwood to win a game, if necessary. If not, he gets the start. If so and he's out of order, call on Adbert.

  • Craig kimbrel has made a successful AAA debut. A quick 1-2-3 inning with no hits or walks and one strikeout. Tony Barnette also has been red hot pitching another scoreless 1-2-3. I’d like to see Barnette up here soon. I know he’s a low profile signing but he’s been solid recently when he’s been healthy. He’s seemingly found his form

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Whose spot does Barnett’s take? Wick? Does he survive the roster when Kimbrel and Edwards return?

  • In reply to stix:

    Probably wick and I know Kyle Ryan has options, but he’s the only lefty specialist. Gonna be interesting they have all of these low cost injured guys that are ready to return. I think Edwards has options too if they like Barnette it would be nice to get a look before the deadline. I wonder how long they can keep Barnette in AAA. Definitely have some decisions to make soon

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    Eloy, you could have made our day miserable with one swing. Now we need to come back and score a few to make them feel they really had a missed opportunity in the first, and as I am writing Schwarber just went the other way and the only one to catch it was a fan. Way to go Cubs!!

  • GO SCHWARBS!!!

  • Hendricks to the IL with a shoulder impingement. All things considered gotta be real happy it’s not too serious. I doubt he misses more than 2-4 weeks

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    I was surprised looking up Cole Hamel’s record. His WAR is 59. Jon Lester, who I think has a better chance of making the HOF, has a WAR of only 44. Now Lester has 182 wins and Cole has 162. Both are in the Hall if very good, but not quite the HOF but I’m surprised that Cole’s WAR was that much higher.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    So now you can defer to the WAR gurus to explain why their is such a difference.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Not because of the win totals but if both go over 3000 K’s that should get them in. Of course another WS title would help too.....

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Meh. All those "benchmark" numbers we've become so used to are now skewed. Very few pitchers will win 300 just because, but the 3000 K thing might go on, even with fewer IP. due to hitters striking out at much higher rates. Steroids made a mockery of the 500 HR total, but that might be coming back around. With our better understanding of advanced metrics, those old 'benchmark" numbers for automatic induction are fading away.

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    The 300 wins is now really 200 wins. As I said before, I think they’re very good but not dominant in their era.
    There are 2 records that I can guarantee won’t be broken—Cy Young’s 511 wins and I think he lost 216. Never be broken. There’s a pitcher who I think pitched 59 straight complete games. Never will be broken.
    But those are different eras, let’s enjoy the players now.

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    In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    He lost 315 and his CG total is another record—749.

  • Anyone know what Kimbrel’s velocity was today?

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Ranged from 95-97 mostly sitting 95-96. Hopefully that velocity goes up a tick as he moves forward. Most importantly thiugh the command was really good only 8 pitches, and he got the very weak contact that were accustomed to from him

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    I don’t care if the home plate ump has been calling that all night long, or the ball outside by an inch or 2– they’re NOT strikes!! Batters train their eyes to judge what’s in the zone and what isn’t and we’re screwing them up. Why don’t we get calls right? We agonize for minutes for a call at a base to see if a player is safe or out only a few times, maybe, a game, and yet on so many batters mistakes are made. At least 10 to 20 times a game. Robo ump-your time has come.

  • We have to win this game.

    We will win this game.

    Go Cubs!

  • Bryant dogging it. What a bum.
    Javy would have been half way to third..

  • In reply to TheSarge#36:

    Yep. What happened to RESPECT 90?

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    In reply to TheSarge#36:

    Bryant best base runner on the cubs. Probably in all baseball

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    Man, Rizzo could have hit into three DPs tonight. Now we’ll have to walk it off!

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    Thus is like the 2nd half of last year—all that talent and just one run and that was on the first pitch.
    Eloy, you’re breaking my heart.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    I think you’re overestimating our ‘talent’.

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    In reply to Squareburgers:

    Most wins in baseball the last four years. I’d call that talent.

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    In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Against Nova, who’s been one of the worst starters in baseball. You have to do better.

  • Great trade Theo.

  • In reply to TheSarge#36:

    That didn't take long at all...

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    Truth hurts

  • So does a pimple on the ass, but THAT goes away after a while.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    Only if you lance it

  • That sucked on so many levels.

  • I was going to say it's Javy Time in the bottom of the 9th. Now he needs help.

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    In two weeks it would have been Kimbrel and not Strop pitching the 9th.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    It wasn't a save situation though...surprised it was Strop at all.

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    In reply to springs:

    Managers typically use their closers at home in a tie game in the 9th, since there won’t be a save situation at that point.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Agreed, but the Cubs still only managed one run against an awful starter and Javy gave that back with a ridiculous bonehead play. Kimbrel can't fix that.

  • If we play .500 ball for the next month, should we sell?

  • In reply to Squareburgers:

    No.

  • If Maddon doesn't light a fire under these guys rumps, he may not make it to the end of this year.

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    In reply to clarkAddson:

    You really like Maddon. Right

  • I used to but now I am really wondering if his antics are getting old. This is basically the same team that won the world series made up of mostly young players. I would think they would be getting better but the aren't. Why? They are still comparatively young.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I think you're on the right track. I'm not calling for Maddon to be fired, by any means, but I do believe he needs to prove he can get this team motivated if he wants an extension. If he can't, he may not last the year.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I am not the one who made him a "lame duck manager". I am not necessarily calling for Maddon to be fired but I am saying he must be a part of the problem and therefore he has to change things. I am not talking about players in and out of the lineup. The core of our lineup is stale. He needs to light a fire under them somehow. Instead, he gives excuses for the players for their non-performance.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Agreed.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    That is what makes baseball great still think he is the best manager in baseball but he and the cubs may need a change

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    In reply to clarkAddson:

    That is what makes baseball great. I think he is still the best manager in baseball. The only real bug problem with him was takingMaddox out early in the seventh game of the WS

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    I think there’s some people needing a Tom Collins right about now.

  • In reply to John Winter:

    I'm enjoyiing the game with my Mexican buddy Jose Cuervo.

    We Never Quit.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Evan Williams is at my place for an extended visit.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    I am going to visit my doctor to bring home some valium:)

  • Boy Eloy definitely has the talent but he showed some killer instinct there. I know his value is mostly in his offense, but that kids gonna unfortunately be a special hitter. Even after a slow start and adjustment period, his numbers have picked it up in a hurry. For me it’s the makeup and flair though that makes me believe there’s a high % chance that he’s gonna live up to his hype.

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Lol. You think

  • Yup sucks 60 I don’t want to crown him yet but this is no Jorge Soler. Soler had issues with his makeup and preparation it’s a big reason why he was traded. Eloys mental makeup is outstanding some would even say special great kid. Big factor in why I’d say there’s a good chance his hitting makes up for any defensive issues. He’s a butcher in the OF though

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Q for Soler would have been an even trade

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    They do have a DH in American League. I don’t think he is any worse than the Berg

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    The guy we just gave away for a bor 5 inning pitcher just hit his 12 th hr. The trade stinks Q WAS ON HIS WAY DOWN from average to over the hill

  • Yeah, because trades are evaluated on one AB.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    He did say he hit his 12th Hr. That is more then 1 at bat. But I do know what you are saying. I still believe this is gonna be a bad trade for cubbies.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    It may very well prove to be. I'm just tired of the asshats that barf it up again every time Q fails to throw a perfect game. Q isn't the problem with this team.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I agree with you. This team has several weaknesses and Q isn’t entirely to blame. But if we are just comparing Q and trade for Eloy. Then I gotta say Sox got us.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    Didn’t say he was in my opinion it is and was a bad trade. Difference of opinions are allowed here

  • Of course they are. Over and over again, just in case anyone missed it the first 150 times or so.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    Better than reading the say guy posting over and over here

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    lol Cliff give it up we got taken.

  • And no one’s even mentioned Cease! It was a bad trade before Eloy ever batted in the majors. No, Q is not the problem w the Cubs, but that’s hardly a ringing endorsement...

  • I'm sorry Zobrist but your vacation has expired. Come back now or the Cubs need to replace him with a bat. The boys got complacent with an early lead yet again

  • In reply to DarBar15:

    I wish that were the answer. I strongly feel that it's time for Theo to make a move, both to improve the lineup and to set an example.

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    I don’t care if Colome is lights out, I am not trading any more prospects to the White Sox.

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    In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Too late

  • Why does it seem like every team we play against lately is out playing the Cubs while the Cubs seem like they are just going through the motion? This is occurring way too much. Is this the beginning of a repeat of last year?

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Yes. All that talk about urgency? They're done with that.

  • Well that sucked.

    But I have to add, I'm listening to the Sox broadcast. Wow they suffer from a severe case of the "little brother" syndrome. Eloy hit a HR. I get it. They are making this out to be a changing of the guard, the ultimate victory. They literally said Eloy's power dwarfs El Mago's,

    You have a little ways to go, Sox and Eloy. Don't be getting too big for your britches just yet.

    And remember the Sosa deal.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    The way to put a stop to that kind of talk is on the field. I'm tired of being embarrassed by this no-balls team. They are wasting their window.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Maybe they overachieved in 2016??????

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    I wouldn't say they overachieved, but I get your point. That was a magical year when nearly everything went right. That's what it usually takes to win it all. We're not there right now, but we can be, this year and next. As Cliff said, it's going to take some grit. I'm not giving up.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    I agree. Every single prospect we called up performed out of this world, Fowler was great, pitchers had years that haven’t been seen very often. And we were healthy except Kyle who came back to be huge for us. Lots of things went our way. Players are coming down to earth. But I am not counting these guys out by any means. I don’t think their issues are “no balls”

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Um, yes, "grit." That's what I said...

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Amen!

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    Well thanks to the cubs their Star seems to be rising.

  • At least it looks like Bryant is coming out of his slump, two smashes off the juiced balls for hits tonight!

  • In reply to Squareburgers:

    Yeah, must've tired him out.

  • Trades, now. It's time for Theo to make good on his talk about performance. It's not time for a fire sale, but hoping and waiting aren't going to work with this lineup.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    His record on trades isn’t great

  • Huh????? Rizzo, Hendricks, Strop, arrieta, Addison Russell, Cole hamels, Carl Edwards, wade Davis, Montgomery, caratini for James Russell lol. His job isn’t to win every trade it’s to win the majority of them. Quintana is on pace for a 3-4 WAR season, even in a trade that I think is the worst in theos tenure. Sorry I get your frustration with that individual move, but what are you talking about with some of your posts? Don’t mean to sound snarky but some of you are so over dramatic without even having evidence to support your criticisms

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Oh I was including the Red Sox

  • Byun hyun Kim, curt schilling, Mark bellhorn for PTBNL, Orlando Cabrera for a washed up nomar (huge for their WS), josh Beckett and Mike Lowell for Hanley is a win to me considering it won them a title, coco crisp. I’d also add the Beckett trade was made by Ben cherington when theo temporarily resigned in 05. He literally didn’t have one single bad trade in his entire Red Sox career. He also didn’t need to trade there because they were too busy developing talent on the farm. So in other words losing one trade means he’s bad at trades? Sorry but what are you talking about? Q isn’t even bad let’s be honest they usually have a chance to win in most of his starts. Every team would take him on their staffs

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    I was thinking the same about you.

  • Just giving the facts buddy sorry you don’t have a rebuttal without resorting to personal attacks

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Hey buddy you did the insulting.

  • I’m not looking to insult I’m a realistic fan that acknowledges that the Q trade is looking like it’s gonna go down as a loss. But sorry your posts in general sound ridiculous when you’re frustrated with the team get a grip. They’ve won practically every single trade they’ve made, I’m glad you’re not the one running the team lol. You’d think after waiting 60 years that you’d have wisdom on the realities of how difficult it is to win championships. Your posts make you sound like an entitled child whose standard is dynasty or heads need to roll. You don’t sound like someone that’s followed the cubs for 60 years lol

  • Abd Frankly some of those trades like Hendricks for Dempster, Rizzo for Cashner, hamels for Rollie lacy and Eddie butler, arrieta and strop for Scott Feldman are some of the greatest trades of this past decade from any organization in baseball. Some people just can’t admit when they’re wrong I guess. Have a good night

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Yep you had a problem with that.

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Well I admire Theo but he has some real bummer in signings and trades. Daisuke Matsuzaka 110 million over six years. John Lackey 82.5 million over 5 yrs. hey Carl Crawford 142 million over 7 yrs. how about the great Edgar Renteria 40 million over 4 yrs Julio Lugo 30 million over 4 yrs. I think the Q acquisition falls in with these. And really we really have nothing left in our farm system.

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Lol an insults from you is like a compliment.

  • Jesse Chavez

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Yep he also depleted the farm system and has nothing left. I think he sold the farm to win the pennant. I am happy with that but hr Q trade I think was really bad

  • Yamamoto, one of the 4 players Brewers traded for Yelich, threw his 2nd career game tonight. He’s thrown 7 shutout both games, so 14 straight without giving up a run
    The 3 position player guys are all having good years in AAA, so maybe it wasn’t as lopsided a trade as we all thought last year.
    The Cubs have obviously had the advantage on Quintana trade so far because Eloy & Cease have been in minors, but it just shows trades can’t be graded so quickly.

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    In reply to Cubpack:

    Both teams will come out winners onvtgat trade. Only one team will be a winner on the Q trade. The White Soxes

  • You sure? The Cubs have already got two years of production from Q. Without looking it up probably at least 5 or 6 WAR. If Eloy never realizes his potential & Cease blows out his arm again, Cubs would win that trade big time

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    In reply to Cubpack:

    Yep I’m sure

  • Ok. Does that crystal ball of yours help you with anything other than baseball trades?

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    In reply to Cubpack:

    Yep investing

  • And even if Eloy & Cease realize their potential and have great careers, if Q helps the Cubs win a title over next few years, then it’s a win for both teams

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    In reply to Cubpack:

    I don’t think he will you think it was an ok trade I think it was lousy.

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    In reply to Cubpack:

    I agree, the cubs rotation was old and getting older with no help coming from the minors. They had to get a cheap, young, controllable starter. I think they had to make that trade. Q has been pretty solid, nobody said he would be an ace. They just had to start acquiring some kind of younger starters. Theo turned this entire organization around in 5 years, how can people beat him up for a couple bad deals?

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    I was watching the Sox broadcast. I do like to hear what others say about our teams and I do like Benetti and Steve Stone.
    2016 was a magical year in all phases of the game. We were the best offensive team by a large margin and maybe just as importantly we were the best defensive team in years. We wouldn’t see a bad throw like Javy’s tonight. If someone got to a ball it was an out. KB was at 3rd but wasn’t the third baseman he is now. That costs us games and it’s adding up. I’m not on the edge but right now we are only 6 games above .500 and the Sox are 1 game under. We’re a team that has averaged 95 wins a year for 4 years and they’re rebuilding. This is unacceptable.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Yep. Can't wait to see our offense explode against Giolito tomorrow night.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Amen!

  • This game was a nightmare. The Eloy homer was utterly predictable after McCann’s smash off a hanger. Impotence against Nova. Baez showoff throw to give away the tie run. Bryant doing Little League pouting on his blooper. The Sox showing off a far superior bullpen to the Cubs. Bummer, Fry and Marshall better than any setup pitchers the Cubbies have. Colome 15 for 15 in saves. And we didn’t even see Herrera. The White Sox look like they are on the rise. The Cubs look like discarded Cargo.
    I grew up on the Southside and the Cubs were awful and the Sox were good. History seems to be repeating and I feel nauseous.

  • Kris Bryant should have signed the extension offered to him. I hope we don’t extend him. If he thinks he is getting Bryce Harper money he is sadly mistaken. I have never seen so much weak contact from a guy who used to hit the Wrigley field video board in left field. The lack of hustle on the bloop single to center is shameful. Changed the whole inning and joe should have benched him. He lost his tenacity somewhere along the line and it’s not coming back.

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