¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- Dodgers 3, Cubs 2

The Chicago Cubs were not able to overcome the Los Angeles Dodgers in the final game of the series, dropping the game 3-2. The Cubs couldn't do much against dominant Dodgers starter Hyun-jin Ryu.

Javier Báez led off the game for the Cubs with a strike out, followed by a ground out from Kris Bryant. Anthony Rizzo and Willson Contreras hit consecutive singles, but David Bote grounded out to end the inning.

Kiké Hernández led off for the Dodgers against Cubs starter José Quintana with a fly out and Justin Turner then grounded out, but David Freese got the first hit with a single. Quintana then walked Cody Bellinger and Chris Taylor, and walked Max Muncy to score the Dodgers first run. Russell Martin struck out to end the inning with the Dodgers ahead 1-0.

Quintana settled in after the first, and the Cubs finally broke the shutout in the sixth inning. Báez reached on an error from Turner at third base, and advanced to third himself on a single from Bryant. Rizzo lined out for the first out, but Contreras followed with a single to score Báez. Bote then hit a sacrifice fly and the Cubs found themselves winning 2-1.

Unfortunately the lead would not last long, as Bellinger led off the bottom of the sixth with a home run to tie it at 2-2. Taylor followed with a double to left field, and Muncy then singled on a line drive to center. With runners now at second and third, Brandon Kintzler took over for Quintana. Quintana went five innings with six hits, two runs (both earned), three walks, and three strikeouts.

Kintzler faced Martin first, who struck out swinging. Alex Verdugo was intentionally walked to get to Ryu, who also struck out swinging. Kintzler was then pulled for Tim Collins, to face pinch-hitting Joc Pederson. Pederson quickly grounded out to second to end the inning.

Pederson stayed in the game at left field and Alex Verdugo took over in center. Pinch-hitter Carlos González led off the seventh and grounded out softly back to Ryu, who flipped it to first for the out. Russell and Báez struck out for the second and third outs.

Steve Cishek took over on the mound for the Cubs in the bottom of the seventh. Turner led off with a ground out to short, followed by another ground out from pinch-hitter Matt Beaty. Bellinger struck out swinging to end the inning.

Beaty remained in the game at first for the Dodgers and Ross Stripling took over for Ryu in the eighth. Rizzo hit a one-out single after Bryant was called out on strikes. Rizzo would not score, as Contreras lined out and Bote struck out for the third out.

Cishek remained in the game for the eighth and walked Taylor in the leadoff spot. Muncy grounded out third to first, but Martin then singled on a hard liner to left and Taylor scored, bringing the score to 3-2. Cishek was then pulled from the mound and replaced by Kyle Ryan. Ryan faced Verdugo, who grounded out to second. Austin Barnes pinch hit in Stripling's place and flew out to left for the third out.

Kenley Jansen entered the game after a blown save the night prior and gave up a leadoff single to Albert Almora Jr and a walk to Jason Heyward. Kyle Schwarber entered as a pinch-hitter and grounded out to first, while Almora advanced to third. Victor Caratini pinch hit next and reached on a fielder's choice, but Almora was unfortunately out at home. Daniel Descalso pinch ran for Caratini and stole second with Báez at bat. With one out remaining, Báez lined out to center and the game was over.

Note: As a proud Korean-American, I feel compelled to point out the pronunciation of Hyun-Jin Ryu's name by the ESPN crew was atrocious. Korean isn't the easiest to pronounce due to different vowel sounds from English, but for anyone who is interested, a proper pronunciation can be found here.

 

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    I went back and looked at Quintana’s record he has lost 74 won 74 I see nothing in his performance in the AL which justifies what the Cubs gave up for him. Watched him pitch for the White Sox a few times wasn’t very impressed

  • I remember debating that Odorizzi or a few other candidates could have worked as well, it's tough to look back now; but Q being the target was very much a move for that particular season, even though it was touted as something for years to come............

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    W-L record while he was on a not very good White Sox team doesn't say much. He averaged over 4.3 fWAR per season over 2013-2017 going along with 200IP each of those seasons. Those were basically Jon Lester's #s in 2015/2016. So the Cubs were thinking they could get similar production as Jon Lester for much lower salary and some high potential prospects. Has it panned out? Hard to say still. His numbers looked nearly the same as Lester's in 2018...but that's an aging Lester and Q was supposed to have a bit more left in the tank.

  • In reply to Joe Martínez:

    Agreed esp when you consider that he was in the AL Joe. I’ve criticized Q at times but I’ll gladly take the pitcher that he was with the white Sox. Pretty much any stat you analyze ERA, FIP, WAR, strikeouts he’s just not executing with the same consistency that we saw during his white Sox days. Unfortunately too other then a few hot months he’s mostly been like a #4 starter with the cubs. He still has value and I always feel the team has a shot to win when he pitches. But I don’t think it’s accurate to say he was the same guy with the white Sox. In his defense though he’s gotten absolutely awful run support all year, and he had the least run support in baseball during his white Sox tenure. I don’t think he’s worth the cost in prospects at this point either way, but he would win plenty of games here if he pitched to the standard he set previously

  • Where is the Cubs speed guy. Houston has Straw. Gore is at KC. Billy Hamilton seems to have evaporated. The flatfooted Almora and overrated Third base coach Butter were asleep on Caratini’s nubber. Janssen was no threat to throw to third. If you observed the way Alex Bregman or Chris Taylor of LA gambles at Third you see the ineptitude of Butter and the temerity of Almora. Speed “kills” the Cubs again.

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    In reply to Swarf:

    Bottom line the trade so far is terrible and as Q continues to decline from the average pitcher that he was to the 4 or 5 inning over the hill bor that he has become it will become harder for some to rationalize this trade. I watched Q in the American League he was at best an average pitcher on some bad teams Not quite as bad as the Lou Brock trade but give it a few years and maybe will be

  • The trade "so far" is terrible? The Cubs needed starting pitching more than they needed a prospect who can't play defense and an unproven pitching prospect. I wonder if Sox fans complain about the terrible trade every time Eloy strikes out.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    You can’t be serious They could have gotten a lot more for what they gave up. The guy is average at best. The prospects they gave up are high grade prospects. In face one is already playing for the Soxes. What 5 hr is last six games Didn’t say they didn’t need to make a trade but they got taken on this one Time will tell but in my opinion bad trade fir the cubs

  • The point is that starting pitching was extremely expensive in the summer of 2017. The Yankees gave up less but got Sonny Gray who I remember most here were pining for. The Cubs offered the same package for Michael Fulmer and asked on Verlander but the Tigers didn't make him available until August. Fulmer would have been worse. The fact is to get a starting pitcher that summer Quintana was the guy. He's also given you a lot of innings and, except for the first half of 2018 has performed roughly to his career numbers. In 2017 he was very good for the Cubs with a 3.81 ERA, 3.24 FIP, 1.12 WHIP 10.8 K/9 and 2.3 BB/9. 2018 was a bad year, even if he picked it up late. This year he's pitching slightly worse than his career numbers at 3.87 ERA, 3.82 FIP, with the WHIP slightly elevated at 1.34 the K/9 slightly down and the BB/9 slightly up. Has he been great? No, but he's been decent and they needed a starting pitcher. The only argument against trading for Quintana in 2017 is if you think they should have been sellers instead of buyers, and frankly that's a better argument, but you have to ask yourselves how would that have made you feel that year after just winning a WS? Chris Archer was traded for two MLB players in Meadows and Glasnow and that looks like a disaster. Both Jimenez and Cease are still question marks and you've gotten 2 years of MOR starting pitching from Quintana so far at under market salary. You don't have to like the trade, but you should look at the realities of it.

  • In reply to TC154:

    Great response, TC. I welcome dissenting opinions, but I wish people would use a little objectivity in their responses. Context is important. As for Quintana's last start, he gave up 2 runs in 5 innings, an ERA of 3.60. His career ERA is 3.61, so it wasn't outside the norm for him other than only lasting 5 innings. The feeble Cubs offense was the reason for the 3-2 loss, not Jose.

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    In reply to TC154:

    And you are the master of rationalization.

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    In reply to TC154:

    And that is my point bad trade

  • Ok, so you would have preferred they were sellers that year and got no pitching help at all? Didn’t see a lot of calls for that at the time. Hindsight is twenty twenty.

  • Cubs most likely wouldn't have made the playoffs in 2017 or 2018 if they don't make that trade. Maybe they could have got more but at this point can't call the trade terrible.

  • In reply to WaitUntilNextYear:

    Great way to put it people forget that Q absolutely dominated September 2017 when Lester was frankly struggling that season. He also outdueled Max Scherzer in game 3 of the NLDS. Quite literally they don't advance to the NLCS without him. Would I take a trade back at this point? Absolutely now that those prospects are about major league ready, but we knew this day would come when the cubs made that trade. That's easy for me to say not though. Calling the trade horrible is an overstatement though. Q still could pitch for practically any rotation in baseball really

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Not only did we know that this day would come when we made that trade but Theo and Jed SAID that they were going to trade hitting for pitching. At the time of the trade Cease was in A-ball. People saw potential but we really didn't know how it would turn out. Plenty of guys are really good in A-ball. With top-flight stuff. And then struggle at the major league level.

    Even with Jiminez, we don't know about him yet. He has a ton of talent. But at less than 50 PAs it is not impossible that he falters as the league adjusts to him.

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    In reply to Joel Mayer:

    Sorry, I read the wrong column on Jiminez. He has 180+ PAs and les than 50G. Sorry for the error.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    And with Eloy too he's a pretty bad defensive player too, and doesn't provide baserunning value. I'd love to add a bat like that to this core don't get me wrong, but durable successful starting pitchers are gonna cost something. I think some are cherry picking on Q now that he's lost some games. But his run support has been pitiful and even with his recent loss of form he still has solid overall numbers. In my opinion that trade will most likely go down as a win for the white sox, but that doesn't take things from the cubs perspective. There's simply an opportunity cost in waiting all of these years for these kids to be ready. And Eloy has gone through plenty of growing pains this season before breaking out recently as expected. I can easily understand why Theo would choose to trade for win now assets when you consider that these kids were traded in A ball, and didn't ideally fit the cubs competitive window. I just wish that pitcher was Gerrit Cole instead of Q, but that maybe unrealistic as well given the divisional trade factor. But like TC said they could've traded for Michael Fulmer instead as many on this site suggested. Imagine the bashers if they made that trade.

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    In reply to Joel Mayer:

    As someone else pointed out Archer would have been worse (and there were a lot upset that we didn't get him considering how much we gave up). Similarly with Fullmer. Similar with Gray. All had their proponents. Starting pitching costs a lot.

    I remember when the trade was made I think it was Olney who commented he had heard the Cubs didn't think Jiminez could play RF at the MLB level. So he becomes ANOTHER bad defensive, good hitting OF. I like the comp someone made with Jorge Soler.

  • In reply to WaitUntilNextYear:

    If the Cubs do nothing, you might be right. I do not, however, think that Quintana's stats are anything above MOR numbers, so I find it hard to believe they couldn't have replaced him for a lesser price.

    Also, Verlander was traded in 2017 and wanted to come to the Cubs. Certainly more costly in terms of salary, but will you argue Cubs wouldn't have made playoffs with Verlander but would have with Quintana? Trading for Verlander does not cost Eloy and Cease.

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    In reply to springs:

    Verlander exploded with the Astros. Maybe he does that with the Cubs. But maybe not. I remember when the trade for Verlander was made many knowledgeable Cub fans were relieved we didn't take on his salary. To be sure, in hindsight, that would have been a HUGE get. But it wasn't obvious in 2017 that it would be the case.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    Every time Eloy strikes lol the guy is going to be a all star.

  • "going to be" doesn't help anyone get to the playoffs NOW.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    LOL well yes and Q hasn’t really helped us that much. At best a bor pitcher. Arrieta woyld have helped us get to the playoffs now

  • You're complaining about Quintana, using Arrieta, who has a higher ERA and WHIP and fewer strikeouts this year? Seriously?

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Arrieta has a 5.03 FIP and almost a 4.5 ERA and he's declining frankly as the season has gone on. He looks like a different pitcher to me and he's now more of a weak contact guy then the overpowering pitcher we saw in his peak cubs day. I'm not gonna defend the Quintana trade I think calling it one of the worst cubs trades ever is a massive exaggeration. Quintana has contributed just getting some of the worst run support in baseball. I'll be the 1st to say that the white sox won that deal if I'm being honest. But there's an opportunity cost in waiting all of these years for Eloy and Cease to be ready, and the cubs competitive window is now. Eloy also profiles better in the AL because he's one of the worst defensive players in baseball right now IMO. Don't get me wrong I'd gladly trade back Q for Eloy now but some exaggerate the issue. Corner OFs are usually some of the most replaceable assets in baseball while durable starters are a tough commodity to find. I understand why they made the trade given their competitive window, even if I think Quintana isn't the starting pitcher I would've targeted with our top trade chips. I wish they went for a power pitcher like Gerrit Cole instead, but it may also be doubtful that the pirates wanted to deal with the cubs. That's what people forget when they refuse to look at things from the front offices perspective.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    The irony is that if the Cubs couldn’t have made a deal to get a pitcher that summer they would have traded Arrieta at the deadline.

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    In reply to Cliff1969:

    Trade q for Arietta is a New York second. You don’t believe q has better stuff than Jake

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    This is to 60 I don't even support the Q trade I don't speak for everyone here. But saying today's version of Arrieta is better than Q just makes it look like you haven't watched Arrieta since he's been a cub. He's very clearly beginning to experience a physical decline. Quintanas command and execution is significantly better then Arrietas. Q is also a lefty and doesn't need to throw upper 90s what lefty starters throw upper 90s really? Quintana has a 3.82 FIP and a 1.6 WAR thus far. Arrieta has a 5.03 FIP and 0.4 WAR. They aren't even remotely close Quintana is currently the way more valuable pitcher, and that's coming from someone that isn't a fan of the Q trade overall. Hard for anyone to take your opinion on Quintana seriously when you make big claims like that while you clearly haven't seen much of the Arrieta of today.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Agree.....prospects are just that...”prospects”. The Cubs are in win mode NOW and need a serviceable starting pitcher which Quintana is to do that. The true pitching concerns and problems are still a few years ahead. Guys like Jimenez, Cease or Happ do nothing now to help this team. Quintana’s record and contributions as a Cub have not been bad.

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    In reply to Wickdipper:

    Well yes all players are prospects the players the cubs gave up are high level prospects rated by people who know a lot more about it than you and I. Will Q be the pitcher that takes us to the World Series don’t thinks so he won’t last more than five or six inning or second time through the order.

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    In reply to Wickdipper:

    Oh you mean the 22 year old prospect with 11 hrs and batting 250 after just being called up. A future all star and the cubs knew he would be.

  • Get back to me when that .250 hitter has his team sitting a half a game out of first place......Jorge Solar 2.0. You really think Epstein won’t address any issues in 2022 if he is still here? Of course he will and will have just as good of a pool of talent by then (and younger) to choose from. I don’t care what any other team is doing, I care if the Cubs win NOW and next year.

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    In reply to Wickdipper:

    No I am talking the guy playing for the Yankees who is already an all star

  • That would be Gleyber Torres, who had absolutely nada to do with the Quintana trade.

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    Given the choice between Torres and Jiminez I take Torres every time. But, yes, if he thinks that the Cubs traded Torres, Jiminez and Cease for Quintana then his outrage is more understandable. And laughable.

  • You seem to be evaluating the trade based on your projections. Maybe Eloy turns into a HOF player or just a solid starter. Way too soon to declare a winner or loser from the trade.

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    In reply to Wickdipper:

    Sold the farm for a bor pitcher.

  • You’re not making much sense buddy.....now you are talking about Gleybar and then your next response is Jimenez. Torrez wasn’t traded for a BOR starter.....
    Look, I understand your sentiments and somewhat agree but I just don’t care about maybes or what ifs. This is the only time where we have been alive that this Cub team has been this good and can be expected to make the playoffs every year, there has not been a window like this, ever. I don’t care who they lose or give up if we wind up winning 2 or 3 World Series. You may think you have 30 years left to wait but I sure know I don’t.
    I’m not being confrontational with you, don’t think of this as me being so. The ones boohooing the loss of prospects that have still never won a thing or accomplished anything always makes me give the stink eye. What ROY, MVP, Cy Younger, Batting Champ has Theo as Cub GM jettisoned?
    Changes will STILL be made to this roster between now and October.

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    In reply to Swarf:

    Speed is nice, but it is relatively low on the priority list in my opinion.

    Just for fun let's look at the guys on your list: Straw in HOU (they are a REALLY good team, maybe I underestimate his contribution but I think their success is more based on guys like Bregman, Verlander and Cole than Straw). Gore and Hamilton form an interesting point. They are TEAMMATES so, since speed is so important that team is probably also a power house in the AL. Let's see. KC has a .333 WPct, 2nd worst in the majors trailing only the Orioles who play in, arguably, the toughest division in baseball.

    Speed is better than lack of speed. But it is really low on my list of attributes to look for in a player or on a team.

  • One other thing. Despite a rather weak throw by Kris Bryant in Left, they still get Taylor if Contreras had positioned himself closer to the plate so he could have reached Taylor. Not the first time this has happened. The catchers need to watch some video and practice positioning on plate plays.

  • In reply to Swarf:

    That throw from KB was pathetic.

    Almora definitely looked bad on his play at the plate. Javy would've scored twice. But it was just another poor AB by a cub with a RISP.

    Another tough luck loss but these are piling up.

  • In reply to DarBar15:

    A few balls breaking differently would've changed a lot, and an umpire who calls a strike a strike, and a ball a ball, wouldn't been great; but we really need to tighten up a few things, this was a very winnable game.
    I like the situational/directional hitting in the 6th, we just need to put it all together.......

  • In reply to DarBar15:

    It was pathetic. He should have been out by 10 feet.

    Almora's flat footed lead off 3rd is hard to explain. Having your weight going forward is something that is developed in Pony League. If you are worried about getting picked off (after the pitch) you take a bit shorter lead however you are still moving forward as this give you an incredible quick start. If you need to get back you can just as quickly plant you lead foot hard and get back to the base.

  • In reply to DarBar15:

    If you go back and watch the whole play, watch the bounce that Bryant gets. He was charging hard and the ball took a straight left high bounce that threw off all the momentum and opened up his whole body cross ways. Sucked.

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    In reply to Swarf:

    I have said for a long time that we need more speed on this team. We could have signed Gore to a $1M contract and he started the season in the minors. We could have afforded Gore. We need someone to pinch run to score runs. It will make the difference in a few games and we need those games in this race.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Gore would not be the answer to the Cubs problems.

  • In reply to Swarf:

    I agree, if Contreras was 1 foot closer to home, he tags Taylor easily.......

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    Or if Bryant's throw is on target...

  • Really sick and tired of KB in outfield.

  • Heyward starts all 4 games, and goes 1 for 14 with a walk; why was he in today instead of Schwarber?

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    Heyward didn't play in Thursday's game, so he was 1 for 11 with a walk in the remaining 3. If it's any consolation, Javy started all 4 and went 2 for 17 with no walks. So Javy got on base at a .118 clip compared to Heyward's .167 OBP

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Just saw that, counted a game twice somehow............

  • Let’s face it the Contreras hit that lead to a RBI was super super lucky. I believe exit velocity was 58 mph. So we scored 1 run and KB throw and last inning doesn’t even matter.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    That's not luck, to me, that's beating the shift

  • In reply to DarBar15:

    A push bunt that way is beating the shift. That was pure luck.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    I think he went the other way, without great contact but still. That's what you get for shifting. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

  • This road trip against contenders is the kind of measuring stick this teams needs to gauge where they actually stand. 4 games where the starters failed to hold leads and several individual plays and ABs with that were not made. cost them 3 or 4 of those games. If they really want to be considered in the same league as the Astros and Dodgers, those plays are gonna have to be made. Who knows, maybe it'll inspire them.

  • The sky is not falling. The Cubs went 3-4 in the season series against the current best team in the NL and if you think the Cubs are far behind them you're not looking very hard. The Cubs much maligned bullpen is just behind the Dodgers for the season and better since May 1 and half that time Strop was on the IL and our closer hasn't pitched a game yet. The starting pitching is nearly equal since May 1. If the playoffs started tomorrow I'd take the Dodgers in a 7 game series but not by much and they have a serious bullpen problem. Jansen looks like his arm might fall off and Baez and Jansen being their only reliable back end guys is an issue. The offenses are nearly identical in numbers with the Dodgers holding a very slight edge. The Dodgers defense is better but since May 1 that gap has narrowed to almost as well. Very good clubs playing exciting baseball. Talk to me again about these two teams in September.

    As far as the Cubs handling their own business I still expect a lefty reliever and they still need another bat to help 3-4 days a week. CarGo was a nice try, didn't work. If they get those things done we'll be right there come October. There's way too much angst for June when the numbers don't warrant it.

  • In reply to TC154:

    I love the positive attitude. I agree that the "sky isn't falling," but I think the weaknesses on this Cubs team were very exposed on this road trip. If they aren't addressed, I don't see the Cubs going far in the playoffs, if they make them at all. We are aligned that the team needs another reliever and a bat, and I don't mean a bench bat. I'd love to see Almora replaced with someone with more speed and a better OBP, but a corner outfielder who actually hits like a corner outfielder would be nice as well. July 31 is getting closer every day.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Think most of us agree that they have to add another bat. Not a single run generated or contributed to by the bottom of the order this series. I think Addison Russell’s spot also needs to be on alert too if he can’t even put up a .700 OPS, then IMO his defense doesn’t make up for his offensive shortcomings. I’m also interested in another OF to hold that group accountable for their offense. Who knows sometimes competition keeps guys on alert because their jobs are on the line. My hope is zobrist can step in and fill one of those needs

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I’m more optimistic than that and I do think it’s a bench bat, or rather 3-4 time a week bat, that’s needed. If you can replace Russell with a 105 wRC+ or better bat that can play defense then you do that instead but I think that’s unlikely. Our 1-5 is as good as anybody’s and then you have Heyward who is now an above average run producer for the first time as a Cub. Now you have to have some guys to give you one more consistent bat day in and day out and the way this team thinks about lineups it’s more likely a guy off the bench. As far as the playoffs I think win the division by 5-6 games and probably end up as the second seed. Aside from the Dodgers nobody has as many good bats to along with a good rotation and the Cubs have a better bullpen than LA. It’s June so it’s pretty early to make bold predictions but I have almost zero doubt this team will be competing well into October.

  • In reply to TC154:

    I wouldn't say Heyward is an above average run producer just yet. He has a wRC+ of 99. I think he is enjoying the juiced baseballs this year though. He is just a below average hitter who makes way to much money. But, he did make a $184M speech in 2016.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    My mistake. It was 107 last week and I hadn’t checked back. My mistake. My feeling is that if he finishes in the 105-110 range he helps the team. At this point the money is sunk costs and I couldn’t care less about how much he makes. I’m pretty much that way with any player, the only time I care about the money is when they sign. After that I just look to how they can help now.

  • In reply to TC154:

    I agree that would be great if he could finish with 105-110 range. It would be a first since he signed with the Cubs. I do care about the money but, there is really nothing they can do about it. They just have to live with the situation.

  • In reply to TC154:

    Yep, and I'd say that the CarGo experiment was a nice attempt, but hasn't succeeded. Is it possible that a guy like Robel Garcia could be brought up instead, and provide a similar spark to what Bote did for the team last year? I'd like to see that experiment.

  • In reply to HefCA:

    I'd have to agree with you on that, I wonder if someone from Iowa would be able to do better; Adduci never really got an opportunity, but I don't know if he's deserving ahead of anyone else............

  • In reply to HefCA:

    Happ could be brought up without adjustments to the 40-man roster, but he'd have to be ready. I wouldn't mind seeing Garcia get a start or two.

  • In reply to TC154:

    Zobrist would be a nice bat to add to the lineup 3-4 times a week.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Trade Q and Happ/ Russell/ and minor leaguer for a center fielder.
    I hate to say I am not sure who could be available but there has to be a body available for the outfield. Speed must be a priority and a bat.

    I am so over seeing Cargo flail at pitches in every direction.

  • In reply to Peanuts:

    Merrifield is a good fit. Gonna be a really competitive market though

  • In reply to Peanuts:

    That is a different way of making a trade. "Trade Q and Happ/ Russell/ and minor leaguer for a center fielder." But, I don't know for who. He needs to run fast and have a bat. Interesting.

  • In reply to Peanuts:

    We're on the same track, but I'm not sure there's a replacement for Q just yet. Maybe Alzolay takes his spot, maybe Chatwood steps back in, who knows - but it's pretty risky trading a SP mid-season.

  • In reply to TC154:

    No one said the sky is falling. You can be optimistic about this team and still discuss the critical plays and pitches that were not made. I wanna hear about all of it.

  • In reply to TC154:

    I honestly thought the dodgers were in their best form and the cubs are battle weary and fatigued, yet the cubs still were a diving play away from winning the season series. They played them toe to toe these past 2 games, and that’s with their best 2 starters unraveling. Hendricks seems to be injured or going through some shoulder fatigue pretty unlucky there and lester is in his worst overall form this happens to him every season at some point. I believe Lester will fare better next time these 2 teams potentially meet he’s always come through in big games.

    I do think the cubs need another bat though maybe at 2B to replace the light hitting Addison Russell. Or another OF to hold that group accountable or at least spell heyward against tough lefties. They didn’t hit enough this series overall, but the bottom of the order didn’t produce or contribute to one single run this entire 4 game series. Add a lefty setup guy and some more depth to this lineup and I like their chances against anyone. But the dodgers are the favorite either way people have to realize there’s a reason they’re already 20 games over .500 at home. But I’m proud of the way the cubs competed they’ve played 17 games in a row, and are generally in their longest stretch with few off days lately until today. If javys hit falls were all singing a different tune that’s baseball. But instead people are choosing to lament Bryant’s throw or calling for javy to be benched lol most ridiculous take of the season. Some people need to get a grip we’ve seen some high level baseball these past couple of games between 2 perennial contenders. Cubs are still one of the best teams in the NL and there’s no such thing as a bullet proof roster in baseball IMO the dodgers aren’t the GS warriors when healthy

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    And I’m gonna be frank when I say that bellinger is a tremendous talent probably mvp thus far. But I don’t believe the league has adjusted to him since he’s decided to move closer to the plate like Rizzo. This is a game of adjustments and I question if he’ll run wild on the cubs next time once they have more knowledge and information on how to pitch to the guy. He’s practically a current era Barry bonds thus far this year.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You mean, a fastball down the middle won't get Bellinger out?

  • In reply to TC154:

    This is where I'm at with the Cubs now. The Dodgers are the better team right now (their records speak volumes), but it's not nearly as lopsided as it seems. If they could just figure out Bellinger better, that would make a big difference. He is basically Yelich of last year.

    As for Heyward, yes, he went 1-14 (or something similar) in the series, but he had the hardest hit off of Ryu yesterday that was run down at the warning track. To do that, lefty against Cy Young caliber lefty, is impressive. He has been inconsistent, but hitting better this year than any other since he was with the Cubs.

  • In reply to HefCA:

    I can agree that Heyward's hitting better than he ever has as a Cub (not that we're talking a great frame of reference though), I just don't like to see him get played over Schwarber or Almora Jr.; I'm all for riding the hot hand, but Joe doesn't necessarily do that, to my knowledge/memory.......

  • In reply to HefCA:

    I agree with how you phrased that 1st paragraph good way to put it. You can argue that this is the best looking dodger team that we’ve ever seen. They’ve had mostly perfect health thus far, and it seems like their whole roster is on top of its form. How often have we seen kershaw, ryu, and hill healthy and pitching at this level, esp ryu? They’re the clear favorites but the cubs mostly competed toe to toe with them. And I don’t just mean this series cubs won 2/3 at Wrigley and last time I checked not all games will be in LA (where the dodgers have been unbeatable). October is a long ways away though, and I’d like to hope that the cubs will address some of the short handed areas of the depth chart. Kimbrels signing gives the cubs the flexibility to pretty much fill their needs at the trade deadline. The key is staying healthy and hungry. At least we’re in the midst of playing our longest stretch of games now, and not at the end of the season like last year. The schedule looks a lot more manageable from July onwards

  • In reply to HefCA:

    On heyward I think he plays semi regularly no matter what, but I hope they add another option. Zobrists return would be a nice start. I’d happily accept a replacement for Russell/bote but I think that guys likely zobrist. Otherwise maybe a right handed OF that can hit some of these tough lefties. In general I don’t think heyward matches up well with this lefty heavy dodgers pitching staff. It would be nice to have a deeper bench overall. Cubs have struggled against lefties it seems overall given the lineups heavy volume of lefties

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Not sure about they heavy volume of lefties in the lineup. Yesterday including Heyward they had two lefties in the lineup.

    I believe the cubs picked up Gonzales because they thought the lineup was too right handed. 6 righties, 5 lefties and one switchitter, doesn’t seem too lefthanded. Trouble is with who the lefties are, Gonzo and Descalso don’t cause any positive vibes. Rizzo is the only positive left handed hitter. Schwarber and Heyward are at best average.

    Russell is better than Gonzo and Descalso , but he’s not much of an improvement offensively over them. So the issue doesn’t seem to be too LH or RH but after the core no one besides maybe Caratini adds much offense on a consistent basis.

  • In reply to stix:

    I agree in a way but in general you should have more righties then lefties, because righties don’t generally come with the extreme reversal splits that lefties do. I do agree that they just need more impact offensive guys in general. It’s just hard to carry all of these defensive 1st players, and Schwarber doesn’t hit enough to overcome the OFs mediocre offensive production. The 2B production has hurt too as the cubs have gotten some of the worst offensive production in the NL at 2B according to the athletic. I’ll let the front office decide what type of hitter they want to add, but I think they can go in a number of directions. Whitt merrifield interests me as a speedy, consistent contact leadoff hitter that can play 2B and CF (love the versatility at positions of need). Doesn’t have to be him I’m open to other hitters, but that addition would hold the depth pieces accountable for lack of offense. Who knows maybe even more competition revitalizes Russell and other struggling hitters. My biggest thing is I don’t want to be forced to play guys that head into the playoffs ice cold at the plate, which has happened to some cubs regulars here recently

  • In reply to stix:

    On the reverse splits Leaving righties tend to hit better against same side pitchers vs lefties. I definitely value having all of these lefties against tough RHP. But it would be nice to have more offensive weapons overall I’m not even saying they have to get a righty though. Just a hitter that actually handles playoff pitchers would be nice. Say what you want about zobrist but the guy tends to hit against tough RHP when others don’t come through. Getting him back would be a decent start

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Offensively, Bote has been one of the best (behind Rizzo) in the last 30 days and .830 OPS YTD. He's not bad at defense either.

  • good trade, bad trade.. no amount of crying gets Eloy Jimenez back.

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