Game Post 5/15

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Lineups

Cubs

1. Jason Heyward (L) RF
2. Kris Bryant (R) 1B
3. Javier Baez (R) SS
4. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
5. David Bote (R) 3B
7. Addison Russell (R) 2B
8. Taylor Davis (R) C
9. Yu Darvish (R) P
Reds
1. Nick Senzel (R) CF
2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
3. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
4. Jesse Winker (L) LF
5. Yasiel Puig (R) RF
6. Derek Dietrich (L) 2B
7. Jose Iglesias (R) SS
8. Sonny Gray (R) P
Bullpen Usage
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Lineups and Bullpen Usage via Baseball Press.

Opposing pitcher

Scouting Reports from Brooks Baseball.

Sonny Gray: Sonny Gray has thrown 15,318 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2013 and 2019, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season, the MLB Postseason and Spring Training. In 2019, he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (94mph) and Curve (82mph), also mixing in a Slider (85mph) and Sinker (93mph). He also rarely throws a Change (90mph) and Cutter (93mph).

His fourseam fastball generates a high number of swings & misses compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, has much less armside movement than typical and has essentially average velo. His curve is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' curves, has sweeping glove-side movement, is much harder than usual and has a sharp downward bite. His slider sweeps across the zone and has exceptional depth. His sinker generates an extremely high number of swings & misses compared to other pitchers' sinkers, has less armside run than typical and results in somewhat more groundballs compared to other pitchers' sinkers. His change is thrown extremely hard, is basically never swung at and missed compared to other pitchers' changeups and generates a very high amount of groundballs compared to other pitchers' changeups. His cutter is basically never swung at and missed compared to other pitchers' cutters, is blazing fast and is an extreme flyball pitch compared to other pitchers' cutters.

Sean's Note: The Yankees basically dumped Gray on the Reds after his disastrous run in the Bronx. Unlike Roark, Sonny gets most of his outs on the ground (56% in 2019) with his power sinker. His strikeouts are up and his homer rate is down from his Yankee stint, more in line with his Oakland numbers. Fellow right handed hitters actually hit for a higher average off him than lefties.

Sean's Note: The Cubs offense will be limited with their best hitter, Kyle Hendricks, on the bench. Anthony Rizzo is still out with a stiff back. Yu Darvish will try again to locate his fastball command. With Victor Caratini on the verge of returning from injury, this is likely Taylor Davis' last start for a while.

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  • Taylor Davis, Yu's personal caddy. Thanks, but I see a roster move tomorrow.

    Let's win this game and pass HOU for the best record in MLB.

    Darvish continues to confound, so this feels appropriate:

    "I remember throwing punches around,
    And preaching from my chair."

    Go Cubs!

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Need Detroit to defeat Houston. Highly unlikely. Thus a cub win won’t pass Houston today.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    "Who Are Yu?"

  • In reply to Denizen Kane:

    Glad to see someone gets my nonsensical references. :)

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Davis catching Darvish makes a lot of sense to me. Darvish can't pitch and Davis can't catch.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    I’ll be glad when this pairing is finished. To me it isn’t logical to pair a catcher with 0 ability to control the running game with a pitcher that’s oblivious to the running game. From what I’ve seen too a lot of balls get passed Davis. Not a good combo with Yu all over the place this year.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I often say a game post isn't the time to get into deep discussions, so I won't. But I think you're both missing the point. The reason Davis is catching Darvish isn't because of any matchups or framing, blocking or throwing. It's because of Darvish's mindset, and I don't like it, either.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Respectfully Disagreed I don’t see how having a catcher that does nothing better than Willson would give Yu piece of mind. Davis’s skillset frankly isn’t a good fit for a starter that is used to being paired with a strong armed catcher like Jon Lester. I think they had a good 1st outing together and joe had to pair Taylor with someone to get Willson some rest, so this is the pair they decided on. But I don’t think it’s looked at as an ideal pairing as if darvish somehow has a better shot to win with Davis over willson. Especially when you consider that Willson is frankly in the early mvp discussion in my eyes. I don’t doubt that Yu is pressing trying to prove himself to this organization. But again I see the primary issue as complete lack of command of his fastball vs. any other time in his career

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I completely disagree. I think this is about Darvish's "comfort level". I'd prefer to discuss this later when we have more time. For now:

    Go Cubs!

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    Didn’t Lester only pitch to Ross.

  • See if we can get a “darvish quality start” 5 runs and 5 innings. Good luck Yu.

  • OT: That was a great discussion in last night's recap. I really enjoyed it. A lot of the "regulars" offering their opinions. But this brought to mind something I've noticed recently: Where's Cliff?

    I hope you are OK.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    He hasn’t returned to the site since bolla and wick got into one of their beefs. Now come to mention it I think bolla also disappeared as well since then. He’s not happy overall with the site not having the means to police the site like when John was around. I’d like to think most of us do the best that we can to keep civil discussions here. I hope cliff returns he was always one of my favorite posters to converse with. And if you ask me cubs den is still by far the most respectful and balanced thinking forum as a guy that sees cubs comments on the athletic and social media (way way worse)

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Hope all is well though cliff your opinions are missed and welcome

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I missed that "beef", but it doesn't surprise me. Those are some strong personalities.

    I hope that's all it is, and they come back. I've taken a couple "breaks" before after some heated exchanges. It happens.

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    It was/is a great conversation. Not that I discourage new people. We were all "new" at one time too. And just because we aren't familiar with someone doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about. But if you look everyone in that thread had a long history. Many of us have interacted multiple times before. I think that makes for a really interesting conversation.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    Absolutely. I actually just expanded my social media profile for the express purpose of promoting this site, and that goes against my private nature. I welcome the new voices, recognize the familiar ones, and miss those who have gone. If I may have the permission to butcher some classic lyrics:

    "Were have you gone, copinblue?"

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    You just wrote what I was thinking about? I hope all is well with you.

  • Anemic lineup looks anemic; without Contreras and Rizzo, that is. I think Baez’s plate discipline will be tested today without a strong hitter behind him.

  • Jeez am I the only one in awe that the reds are -135 favorites over us? Think that says a lot about Vegas’s low opinion on this lineup and darvish

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Even if Darvish throws a good game do you think the lineup gets at least three runs?

  • In reply to stix:

    Honestly stix grays been up and down so I’m not gonna write the lineup off. But yeah you don’t really feel too good about 4-9 really. In general they need more production outside of their big 4 of Bryzzo javy and Willson. Not that I can complain about this start at all but these holes tend to get exposed against other elite teams. Hope heywards production stays consistent and Schwarber improves his run production

  • In reply to stix:

    But as someone that follows cubs Vegas lines daily. I will say having a last place team as that big of a favorite over this hot cubs group is highly unusual. Vegas is clearly putting their bets on the reds with a money line this aggressive I hope Yu surprises us

  • Cubs win in walk-off 5-4.

  • In reply to Skidoorunner:

    I want to agree with you, but we're on the road. No walk-off. A simple 5-4 W sounds good to me.

  • In reply to Skidoorunner:

    DOH! Obviously the team has travel to Cincinnati and I haven’t! :-)

  • In reply to Skidoorunner:

    I've never done that before. :)

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    I like Bote's defense but his offense has disappeared. In May his slash line is .200/.298/.225. He's got to do better.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Bote’s defense has also suffered recently. He needs a few days off unfortunately there isn’t anyone better on the bench to take his place.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Frankly I think it’s a good thing the Cubs are hot right now especially with some of the drama surrounding this team. Both Heyward and Bote‘s offense Has dropped off but I think it’s only a matter of time before they get back on track. Bote worked too hard this off-season to slide too far.

  • Feeling sad about Zo and his family. I hope he gets back soon. https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cubs/ct-spt-ben-julianna-zobrist-divorce-20190515-story,amp.html

  • El Mago needed a longer magic wand the first time up or maybe better if he didn’t have a bat he would have walked. Plate discipline is what it is but I think he would be better with more discipline.

  • In reply to stix:

    I don't mean this in a bad way, but read last night's recap. We sliced and diced Javy in every way possible. Some fans think he should be more patient, some like his aggressive approach. The jury is out...

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    I read it but didn't put My two cents in. I’m not sure one way is better than the other but aggressive Is only good if you can reach the ball.he missed by longer than he could reach even if he stood on the plate.

  • In reply to stix:

    Cool. One of these days...

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    After watching the last few innings the umpires strike zone fits with the pitches Javy swung at. I’m not sure he would have walked given the umps strike zone or lack thereof.

  • Are we allowed to cheer?

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Lol I know I’m cheering. Even if I’m not fond of the person. With botes recent struggle in addition to zobrists divorce. Addy maybe heading towards more future ABs then I’m
    Sure many cub fans would prefer

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I’m really fine with him playing if he produces. Still think there’s as much for the Cubs to gain out of Addison for about another year as there is for Addison to gain through the support of his teammates, coaches, and the front office. If his therapy/life changes go well and he plays well, then let him earn a starting SS position on another team via the trade, when the time is right.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    If you read Melisa Reidy‘s latest post about Addison’s return to baseball I believe you will find the answer is yes. That’s all I’m going to say.

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    In reply to Skidoorunner:

    I don't follow social media much, but I assume she's all for Addy's return so she can keep cashing the checks? or does she believe he's a changed man?

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    She speaks of healing, forgiveness and moving on amongst other things.

  • Winker lost it in the sun, and I say
    It's all right.

    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes
    Sun, sun, sun, here it comes

    Here comes the sun
    Here comes the sun, and I say
    It's all right
    It's all right

  • In reply to Skidoorunner:

    I usually save my exuberance for a W, but I like the optimism.

  • Heyward's groundout had an exit velocity of 39 mph.......what............happened........................................

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    Yu had a nice inning. Lets see if he can build on it here in the bottom of the 3rd.

    9 more outs Yu and your going to make your manager very happy

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Honestly Jim I’ve defended the guy as much as any but I didn’t like the overall process. 3 hitters 3 3-2 counts gotta get ahead consistently for sustainable success. Hope he settles in and gets this W but they’re gonna run on this pairing all day

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Yes, I agree and it was the bottom of the order, but I thought he was battling. Umpire is not doing him any favors either.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    The command has certainly looked better today and honestly for me that’s the #1 thing I’m looking at Moreso then results. If he simply stops beating himself then it would make a huge difference bc the guys not really getting squared up too much. Good to see him battle out of an non ideal jam given this tandems inability to control the run game

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Yes, he's not economical but compared to his previous starts, he's been pounding the zone w the FB.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Good points on the fastball in particular that pitch has been all over the place lately. He still needs to progress with that command but I agree it’s much better then his past few outings. Early though I want to see him sustain the command

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Of course my friend.......baby steps.......he needs to crawl before he can walk then run

  • Davis reminds me of Montero. A catcher who can't throw to second. How do the Cubs keep finding these guys.

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    In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    Cant wait til Caratini comes back

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Ditto............he can play a little first, if necessary too.......

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    What a scam.....Votto swung......Hall of Famers get calls esp at home

  • What about that strike call on the second pitch of Javy's second at bat? Hard to try and get him to be more selective if balls are called strikes on him.......

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    I would run on Davis any chance I got--and I'm not even a major leaguer! Seriously, if the Reds get any runner on they should challenge him. I don't know why Senzel didn't try and steal 3rd except that Votto was batting.
    We need more runs. I am hoping that Yu can get through 6 or so with only 1 run but I'd feel much more comfortable with a 6 or 7 run lead. Gray's outside slider must be really good because so many of the Cubs have been fooled by it. It's easy for us to watch on TV and moan when they do but we're not batting.
    Keep Going Cubs!!

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    What? Did someone say Albert A doesn't hit RH pitchers?

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    There u go Double A. They show your highlight from yesterday and then you tattoo one into the LF bleachers.

    I think if we can get 5 runs, we won't lose

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    How about AA and addy stepping up and providing the power. With our corner OFs struggling and guys out someone’s gotta step up. I know AA’s numbers aren’t what he expects avg wise but I’m seeing better swings by him in general these past few weeks

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Those last 2 HR swings by AA were no doubters........I was seriously impressed

    Addy's was nice too, but I think thats the 2nd good swing I have seen him make since coming back. SSS

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    Jake can't stop Aguliar and the Crew ( his D hasn't helped either )

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    Could be 0-2 on Puig but somehow its 2-0

    All's well that ends well, but turned into K #7 but a lot of extra pitches for Yu

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    Yu playing around w the pitcher........just asking for trouble ........wasting pitched but hey.......no walks so far and a season high 8k's !!

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Full counts in both of the pitchers at bats so far............

  • Yu @ 80 pitches after 4 innings , lucky if he goes 5.

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    In reply to stix:

    I am hoping for 5+

    4 or 5 more outs would be beautiful ( w no runs allowed of course)

    Our O needs to get to at least 5 to be comfortable

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    10 K’s w/no walks......but it sure didn’t seem to be a dominant 10/0 but hey.....made it through 5 with a lead....can Yu believe?

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    Lets go Heyward.......do something and KB will follow

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Have a feeling we’re gonna need some more runs this game. Hopefully they capitalize this inning

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Uggh I’m officially worried about heyward a .244 avg after the hottest possible start is pretty amazing.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    He’s been a horrid slump over his last 45-50 AB maybe it’s about to turn. Without Zo there aren’t many lead off alternatives.

  • In reply to stix:

    I don’t think you can bench heyward anyways he’s been their best OF. Moreso saying all the comeback player of the year chants are a bit premature. In general I’ve been concerned about the OF collectively. In my eyes those guys have been this offenses primary issues for years despite my optimism and patience with them

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    KB let his pitch go rt down the middle on 1-1 and then popped up.

    Yu's got the TOO w there 3rd crack.........this should be telling

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Montgomery as piggyback starter?

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    What are the odds Joe sends him out for the 6th ?

    He's qualified for a W and he's struck out 10 w ZERO walks........

    Pull him on a high note? or Let him try and go for the QS? Pen is rested

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    I will say that 5th inning is how I want to see him pitch in general. Enough falling behind and full counts.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    97 pitches. If he goes back out i’m guessing it’s batter by batter. Probably Monty to follow.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    And just as I write that a single. When’s joe gonna learn Montgomery is better vs righties then lefties

  • Leave Yu in until he shows he has had enough. He is still pitching good.

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    Lets start off a crooked inning Mr. Baez

  • Another lousy strike call on Schwarber but Stephenson threw the next one where even the homeplate ump couldn’t call it a strike.

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    In reply to stix:

    Yea, that 3-0 pitch was complete garbage.......I was in the middle of typing something then he walked on the next pitch.

    a 3-0 strike should catch a lot of the plate.......cant be giving the pitcher a free strike to get back into the AB

  • I had to make a bee... I mean grocery run. I missed watching the last couple innings. I got back in time to see Yu K # 10. (Did I just stumble on to something? Yu K?)

    I haven't seen his pitch count, I'm sure it's high with 10 K, but Yu still has not recorded an out past the 6th inning in a Cubs' uniform. *If* he can get it together, this team is deadly.

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    Double A just got under that one. Just didn't have the sound

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    Why take him out now? if you bring him out for the 6th, let him go until he walks someone or gives up a hit.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Hope it works out I understand giving Yu a short hook. That said his best sequences tonight were to those last 4 hitters he mowed down

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Lucky Wink can't run or this is a tied game.

    If Yu got Dietrich, you knew he would get Puig as he owned him today.

    Easy to Monday morning QB though

  • Short hook on Darvish as expected. 11Ks, no walks, definitely a good showing.

    Speaking of good showing, I need to keep complaining about Almora bc he’s making nice hard contact the last two weeks. Good to see

  • In reply to LAX2ORD:

    Over 100 pitches isn’t usually considered a short hook.

  • Good for Yu. I just had the thought of letting him air it out for a hundred pitches, knowing he's coming out whether it's the 4th, or 5th, or whatever. Whatever works.

    Then my senses kick in. He needs to locate better. An effective Darvish makes us nearly unbeatable. Please?

  • What was that?

    But, thank you!

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Just as Joe planned when he brought Monty in :) :)

  • Reds being the Reds lol. We will take it though !!!

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    We need some more runs........Come on O

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    There you go Addy........ basically a leadoff double........ got to cash this in.......Davis.....get him over

  • I just heard JD say that was a good send. Make the defense execute two good throws to get you out. Take your chances.

    In the tradition of Cubs Den, I respectfully disagree. That was a bad send. They're doubling-down/ backtracking now. Give it up, boys. That was a terrible send.

  • Uggh now the decision to go to Montgomery before the 7th looking worse. Hate to lose him after .2 although he certainly didn’t look to be in his best form tonight

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    I was thinking double switch, but I am pretty sure Joe decided he would only use him for 2/3 of an inning if an run scoring opportunity presented itself.

  • 4-2. For some reason, that run feels big to me.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Huge run was hoping Montgomery would eat more innings but runs are coming at a premium tonight. Had to pinch hit though I Moreso wish they brought him in top 7 though

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    That is a huge run. We can't expect our pen to throw up ZEROS every night

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Well you jinxed that!

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    In reply to Skidoorunner:

    Law of averages........watch enough baseball.......you know you can't throw up ZERO's after Zero's......even that Royals pen of 2015 couldn't do it........LOL

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    They didn’t

  • Sometimes I hate my prognostication abilities.

  • Not HAM, but BAM! Loved the curse word from Kintzler walking off the mound.

    Play Ball!

  • Golden Sombrero.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Happens sometime. This time he didn’t chase strikes.

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    How good do we feel about our bullpen? The Reds can be had but I don’t feel good about Senzel and Votto so at least one more run would look awfully good.
    HAM as I was writing this!!

  • That is the short swing that Schwarber needs to do damage.

  • 5-3. For some reason, that run feels big to me.

  • Huge insurance run once again. And more importantly good to see Kyle provide some slugging. We need his bat to come through with jhey slowing down this month it’s kyles turn now

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    Thats our magic # for tonight......5 runs..... I don't think we can lose unless of a catastrophic meltdown of epic proportions

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    Terrance Gore, who I sorely miss, is with KC now and is hitting.375 in a sss. What’s amazing to me is that he has 5 SB but has been CS 4 times, the most in the majors. I want him in the post season.
    Speaking of speed, while we change pitchers, did anyone catch Billy Hamilton score from 2nd on a fly ball to CF? He never stopped running.

  • Carl not usually effective if he doesn’t start an innings ng

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    Or bad CJE comes into the game......

    Poor YU

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    Well, that sucks.

  • Really need this one tonight.....gotta get another series cuz we really haven’t been killing it offensively......and we run into 3 real tough pitchers next.

  • This is a huge spot for CJ. Coming into a dirty inning. He needs to prove himself.

    That's what I was typing when that happened.

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    Okay CJ.......man up and get us to the 9th tied up at least. Give the offense a chance to bail you out.

  • Seems like way too often this pens depth is tested for 3-4+ innings that they show their true colors. I know the bullpen ERA looks good but if our starters can’t consistently go 6-7+ innings, then they’re gonna continue to be exposed. Once again Edwards just can’t pitch out of the stretch windup

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    I agree, but YU prob could have gone 6. If Joe didn't feel confident w his pen, he shouldn't have pulled him and if he did, he should have double switched so monty was guaranteed to pitch the 7th.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    I agree i don’t think it’s an egregious decision because yu hasn’t earned the confidence as others. But me personally I would’ve let him roll his best sequences were to the last 4 hitters. 11:0 K to BB ratio too I would’ve ridden him until they got a base runner

  • This could be good for CJ even though he gave up the tying homerun.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I definitely think Edwards Jr. can use this as a learning experience he can build on, but if Joe was only going to use Ryan for 1 batter, or have the quick hook; why not just send Edwards Jr. out there to start the inning?

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    I don't know if Rizzo can swing, but we got big Willy who can PH so we have some weapons

  • I'm only half-joking: once Carl cleaned the bases, he was fine. This is a pattern. I don't get it.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    He’s a lot better out of his normal windup vs. the stretch windup

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I don't buy that. A reliever needs to know better. I won't blame it on a stretch.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    I’m not making excuses. I’m saying for whatever reason his splits are extreme he’s way better with nobody on base when he doesn’t have to utilize that slide step. He loses command in the slide step and there just isn’t any deception in that delivery. It’s long been Carl’s biggest issue along with walks

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Maybe you're right. My point was this keeps happening. This "dirty inning" thing can't keep happening. I don't trust Darvish or Edwards at this point.

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    Its only 1 game, but I trust Darvish more then I trust CJE coming into an inning w runner(s) on.

  • Friggen Edwards

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    I am calling it. Taylor Davis is going to save the day !

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    That was a double! Damn Peraza !

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    Alright.....lets get to Extras........ KB wants to continue his streak and Javy wants to do some damage

  • The walking machine is in relief . Hopefully he forgets that trick.

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    With the quickness we are swinging, iglesias may be able to go 3 innings.......wow

  • Javy time?

    I'm not sure. I don't feel it.

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    Glad your prognostic skills were on an adult beverage break

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    I'm just going to slam three beers and go full Harry Carey.

    "Cubs Win! Cubs Win! Holy Cow!"

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Better than the platinum m sombrero. Five pitches not one within 2 inches of the outside corner but this time he used the extended wand.

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    Its time for the Schwarbenator !

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    In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Well I am wrong...... Big Willy time.

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    In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    What do I know, but I would save Willy

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    You and every other rational person would think that you'd leave the hitter you put #4 in your lineup out there in crunch time, especially after hitting a homer in his last at bat............

  • Typical Maddon. Schwarber hits a homerun previous at bat so he takes him out for a pinch hitter. Why?

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    We're watching Maddon show us how to textbook blow a game right here.......even if we end up winning............

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    Schwarber can’t hit lefties.

  • In reply to stix:

    I'd give him a chance right there, he definitely couldn't have done worse; everyone was saying Almora Jr. couldn't hit righties.......

  • In reply to stix:

    Yea, just like Almora can't hit righties. If you are a major league player, you can hit both RHPs and LHPs or you will not be in the Majors for long.

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    In reply to clarkAddson:

    DING DING DING esp when he's your last man on the bench. Shit, if your willing to use him, why you leading off w the pitcher ?

    2 outs or 1 out even, and you let the pitcher hit, I can buy it.

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    In reply to clarkAddson:

    Ding Ding Ding......... He's your last man left on your bench. If your willing to use him, why the heck are you leading off the inning w the pitcher?

    If there were 2 our or even 1 out, I can get behind letting the pitcher hit in liu of the double switch

  • In reply to stix:

    Schwarber's splits this year to date show he hits lefties better than righties by far.

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    In reply to clarkAddson:

    Willy playing 1st Base is going to be interesting

    I know he's more then capable, but now we have ZERO PHs available unless Rizzo can swing

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    If they don't walk it off here, we are going to win this game.......BOOK IT

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    I wonder if the Schwarbenator's throw would have been better then KBs ?

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    You'd think that's something the manager would consider.......

  • Unfortunately Brach walks too many to set up this situation.

  • Well that sucked.

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    There you go Brach ! Joe managing at his best !

    Yes, players have to execute, but you have to put your players in the best position to succeed.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    You stole my post, exactly what I was thinking; might add making players look over their shoulder, rather than letting them build confidence thru executing............

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Your alternative for Brach was?

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    In reply to stix:

    Exactly. But I guess Maddon just sucks no matter what decision he makes.

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    In reply to John Winter:

    Sorry, that was frustration talking.

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    In reply to stix:

    Like I said above, 1. Its easy to Monday morning QB and 2. if he felt Brach was his best option for multiple innings, then he should have double switched so he's not leading off the following inning.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Not joes best day results wise over managed this one. I’ve been more outraged by his decisions before though this bullpen doesn’t give him unlimited options. Unfortunate loss felt darvish progressed with a 11:0 K to BB ratio and felt the guys mostly played a winning ballgame. Chalk up another loss on this bullpen it seems like that’s the only way we lose this season

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    What was the overmanaging today? Your alternatives for his overmanaging were?

  • In reply to stix:

    I think everyone's articulated multiple options in the previous posts, what they thought were better decisions for Joe in this game............

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    Forgot you made all the proper decisions. Sorry , i’ll Send Theo your resume.

  • In reply to stix:

    Besides the fact that no baseball player on the planet would ever listen to me, I greatly appreciate the support.......

  • In reply to stix:

    And FYI Jim and I noted these decisions before the results came in poorly I may add. You may disagree but facts are they likely win if they bring Montgomery in top of the 7th

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Facts?? Where are the facts they win if this or that was done differently. The fact I see is, for some fans, if the Cubs lose it’s because of Maddon managing. If they win, it’s in spite of his managing. The other fact is there is a very good reason Maddon is getting paid to manage and we are not

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Maddon is his own worst enemy by not letting the players play without making needless changes. BTW, is there a very good rea son why he has not been extended but instead Theo stated it will be based upon his acionts this year?

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Nobody’s saying he’s not good at his job there’s a lot more to being a ML manager then pitching management. I give joe a ton of credit for the culture that’s been established here they don’t win a WS without him most likely. But I think it’s fair to say his pitching changes can be head scratching esp his quick hook over the years of our starters. This year he’s finally letting some of them go deeper more often then in the past, and I think it’s the primary reason for the recent results we’ve seen lately. No doubt in my mind someone probably talked to him about riding his starters more given they are this teams biggest strength 1-4. Wish he did the same today why make a sub with the bases empty and knowing Montgomery isn’t a loogy. You may disagree but I think it’s perfectly fair to question his thought process tonight. And nobody’s saying this after the fact if you read the game thread

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Maddon is his own worst enemy? You have the right to have that opinion but I completely disagree with you. I’ve been a Cub fan for over 50 years and in my opinion, there isn’t even a close 2nd when you talk about the Cubs best manager ever

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    I have been a Cubs fan for 67 years and I agree with you but that doesn't mean he can't do better or even that he isn't making more wrong decisions now. Again, he makes changes needlessly in exchange for what he thinks MAY happen. That is what I do not believe in.

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Kk, I know you think he’s a good manager but not a good bullpen manager. And I can appreciate that. But, name me one manager the Cubs have had where you, I, and many other fans haven’t questioned pitching change moves. It’s the most 2nd guessed and complained about thing in baseball. But the thing I’ll keep saying is Maddon, Dave Roberts, Counsell, Hinch, etc all know more and have more information than all of us fans. So I just thought it was funny when you said it was a fact the Cubs would have won if Maddon had done what you recommended

  • In reply to stix:

    Letting brach hit for himself instead of willson. Pulling darvish after he retired 5 straight and I thought his best sequences were from the 5th inning on. Joe could’ve not only got him the 6 innings people keep complaining about, but that also would’ve allowed him to utilize his bullpen as intended with the pitcher spot up next half inning. If yu let on a baserunner that’s one thing but he just fanned Votto and Suárez in a row. Joes quick hook in the past of his starters is the number one reason why this team loses close games. This pen doesn’t have the depth to eat 4-5 innings right now. I’d have a quick hook with darvish too, but not when he has 11 Ks and 0 walks with a depleted bullpen. I don’t think he had an awful day but pretty much all of his moves blew up in his face. Hitting brach and pinch hitting for Schwarber instead of one of our bottom of the order guys was also questionable too with some of our best bats out

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Not to mention sending Ryan out there, with the intention of pulling him after any issues (or maybe even after 1 batter); rather than letting Edwards Jr. start the inning clean, or at least send out Brach after Ryan, since Joe knows the propensity of Edwards Jr. struggling when he comes in with men on base............

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    Yup great point many of us have noted how poor cj is with runners on out of the stretch vs bases empty. Joe bringing him in during the middle of jams earlier this season also happened to be some of Carl’s worst outings. Don’t get me wrong cj has to step up and do his job. This is now 3-4 games at least that he’s almost single handedly blown. But joe should no better given Edwards overall struggles the guys clearly pressing

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    *know

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    It's definitely something Edwards Jr. needs to overcome, but maybe doing it in a game with a large lead, or with a Strop as an option in case things go south.......

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    There goes our perfect extra innings record too!!

  • Schwarber's splits this year to date show he hits lefties better than righties by far. This loss was totally on Maddon. He just can not let the players win or lose on their own. He continues to make changes when not needed.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Yes they are but do you prefer a .300 hitter to a .225 hitter in that situation? Didn’t work , next time it might not either. .200 hitters make outs eight of ten times. Why was Schwarber better than Willson in that situation?

  • In reply to stix:

    Anyone that ever played baseball will tell you someone coming in from the bench COLD usually will not do better than the one that has been playing all game, especially after the so-called .200 hitter just hit a homerun. I prefer the "hot hitter" over someone sitting on the bench anytime.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I played baseball Clark and I won’t say that. There are many times the guy on the bench is a better option. This was probably one of them. Just because it didn’t work this time doesn’t make it wrong

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    If he is a better option than why was he on the bench? If it is because he needs rest then that is even more reason he probably will not do as good as the one already playing. The point I am mainly making is why does Maddon make changes needlessly. Why does he think one on the bench will do better than one that just hit a homerun?

  • In reply to stix:

    I apologize if I came off as saying Joe was incompetent, or I could do better than he could.
    These games are just frustrating, and that frustration is coming out as reactions in posts from people who enjoy watching the game and want the team to win; particularly if those people have either been watching the team religiously, and/or played the game themselves (I'm in both those categories)
    We see decisions being made, and typically voice our displeasure when we don't like them in the first place, and when they don't work out; or ultimately cost us the game.
    I remember Davis hitting that grand slam, wasn't a popular choice; but it definitely worked. It's just tough to sit back and say nothing when a decision you felt bad about ends up ultimately being bad, and saying something about it shows how much people actually care; posting your frustration is like talking to someone while you're watching the game, especially if you're watching it alone............

  • In reply to Treebeard:

    No need to apologize Treebeard.......
    This thing with managers......we have had only 2....Durocher and Maddon who had sustainable talent for a period of time where you can judge if they were competent or not.....Durocher was not a good manager.
    I don’t fault any of the others from the past considering what they had to work with.

  • At least KB got a hit.......

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    In reply to Treebeard:

    and Javy........13 game hitting streak !

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Whoa! Guess I missed that one............

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    Our bullpen has been superior in the last month and we’ve won 9 of 10. We lose one game and it’s the blame game. If that’s the case tonight then how about the praise game for the last 30 or so.
    I haven’t seen so many comments in a long time. That means we’re into the games. I feel disappointed but not in this team, just the outcome.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Good points Jonathan. It’s crazy how so many fans think Maddon stinks or certain players can’t play because they’re not going to be 162-0 this year. I guess having a world championship, 4 straight playoff appearances and the 2nd best record in either league right now just isn’t good enough

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Losing the division championship last year, was that good enough? San Fran Giants probably thought that after winning all their championships. How did that turn out?

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    We made the playoffs again last year. I obviously wanted more, but I can still appreciate four straight after all the years of futility. And the Giants have all those championships, so I think it turned out just fine for them

  • That's your opinion, not mine. As a Cubs fan, I want them to win as many as they can for as long as they can.

  • And I'll make it a nice, even 200.

    Go Cubs!

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