Cubs @ Tigers: Series Preview (8/21-8/22)

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The Cubs offense sputtered in their weekend series in Pittsburgh, scoring just four runs total. With the help of solid pitching, the Northsiders split the series to stay three games up in the NL Central. That little offense is not a formula to consistently win baseball games. Chicago now heads to Detroit for a quick two-game series with the Tigers.

The Tigers are bad, really bad, 51-74 to be exact in third place in a lousy AL Central division. The offense is nothing to write home about, especially after losing Miguel Cabrera for the season. The pitching is average, but there aren't really any quality arms to fear. The Cubs beat them twice at Wrigley Field in July, without too much drama.

The Cubs made a trade today, adding fan-favorite Daniel Murphy. Clearly the goal is to add another bat, despite Murphy's obvious defensive issues. With the designated hitter available the next two days, the offense should get better production in the Motor City. With the Cardinals and Brewers not going away the Northsiders need to win these games.

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Lineups

Cubs

2. Jason Heyward (L) RF
3. Javier Baez (R) SS
4. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
5. Ben Zobrist (S) 2B
6. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
7. David Bote (R) 3B
9. Tommy La Stella (L) DH
Detroit
2. Jose Iglesias (R) SS
4. Niko Goodrum (S) 2B
5. Victor Martinez (S) DH
6. Jim Adduci (L) 1B
7. Mikie Mahtook (R) LF
8. James McCann (R) C
9. Victor Reyes (S) CF
Bullpen Usage
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Lineups and Bullpen Usage via Baseball Press.

Opposing pitchers

Scouting Reports from Brooks Baseball.

Jordan ZimmermanJordan Zimmermann has thrown 22,560 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2009 and 2018, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season, the MLB Postseason and Spring Training. In 2018, he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (92mph) and Slider (87mph), also mixing in a Curve (81mph) and Changeusing a Circle Change grip (87mph). He also rarely throws a Sinker (92mph).

His fourseam fastball generates fewer whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, results in more flyballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers and has essentially average velo. His slider has much less depth than expected and is much harder than usual. His curve has little depth, is slightly harder than usual, has primarily 12-6 movement and results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers' curves. His change is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' changeups, is much firmer than usual and has slight armside fade. His sinker is basically never swung at and missed compared to other pitchers' sinkers, results in many more groundballs compared to other pitchers' sinkers and has some natural sinking action.

Sean's Note: The veteran Zimmerman is an extreme fly ball pitcher, his ground ball rate of 32% is well below league average. Injuries have limited him to just 88.1 innings pitched this season. Right handed hitters do a lot of damage against Jordan, so expect a fair number of right handed batters starting against him. He has an ugly 5.96 second-half ERA, so the Cubs are getting him at the right time.

Francisco LirianoFrancisco Liriano has thrown 26,249 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2008 and 2018, including pitches thrown in the MLB Regular Season and the MLB Postseason. In 2018, he has relied primarily on his Sinker using a Two-seam Fastball grip (93mph) and Slider (85mph), also mixing in a Change (86mph). He also rarely throws a Fourseam Fastball (92mph) and Curve (77mph).

His sinker has less armside run than typical and has slightly above average velo. His slider results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers' sliders. His change is much firmer than usual, results in many more groundballs compared to other pitchers' changeups and has some natural sink to it. His fourseam fastball generates fewer whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' fourseamers, has some natural sinking action, has essentially average velo and results in somewhat more flyballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers. His curve (take this with a grain of salt because he's only thrown 4 of them in 2018) is basically never swung at and missed compared to other pitchers' curves, is an extreme flyball pitch compared to other pitchers' curves, has little depth and has slight glove-side movement.

Sean's Note: If it feels like the Cubs have faced Liriano a lot it's because they have, 15 times to be exact. He has a career 3.35 in those collective starts, but this is a different Liriano. The crafty left hander has a 4.72 ERA in 2018 which is well below a 5.63 FIP, indicating he has had some degree of luck. The home run ball has been a problem, 16 in just 97.1 innings pitched. David Bote and Willson Contreras took him deep on the 4th of July in a Chicago win. He still dominates left handed hitters, holding them to a .171 batting average this season.

 Update: Addison Russell has been scratched from today's game. In addition to a finger injury, the Cubs say he has shoulder and leg issues. Also the Cubs announced Yu Darvish is done for the season with a stress reaction in his elbow.

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    When can Murphy play? If he is playing that means that Javy's at SS and Bote at 3rd so Addy is sitting for now I guess. This is a good move.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Russell will probably play against lefties of which they will face very few for the next few weeks.

  • Bryant is taking batting practice today

  • Who will Murphy replace on the roster until 9/1? It would have to be Bote unless they put someone (Russell) on the 10 day DL

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Probably carry one less pitcher unless there's a DL stint for Russell.

  • In reply to TC154:

    They have 12 straight games before Sept. 1st, so I'd be surprised if they went with one less pitcher. I'm guessing Russell to the DL, but he is playing tonight, so... who know.

  • Daniel Murphy since July 1 : .336/.379/.514/.893
    Addison Russell since July 1:.213/.272/.272/.544

    bye bye addy!! he needs to go to the dl to rest his finger

  • We got Murphy! This is like the bump they got when they acquired Hamels but now it’s for the hitters. They are deep. Let’s see who wants to be in the lineup now...

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Not as confident as you. I don’t think Murphy’s knee is 100%.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    This is what I'm most concerned about also I know for a fact that he was banged up pretty much the whole 1st half but I was hoping he's getting healthy he's hitting the ball well since the all star break. Have you seen anything from him to make you think he's playing hurt lately?

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    They’ll replace him in the late innings when he starts, pinch run for him, etc... They have a really wide bench.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    His playing time hasn’t been plentiful.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Not sure I understand where you’re going with that statement... Go to Baseball Reference, he’s had enough playing time to put up some really good #s since the break... His season #s ain’t bad either. He kills it in post season... Are you sure you have the same Daniel Murphy that the Cubs acquired?

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Talking as of late. I appreciate the backhanded comments. You don’t need to be a jerk. Just mark my words I don’t think he is 100%.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Again I’m not sure where you come up with your statements. Nothing backhanded about my reply & I’m not... But I do believe you could heed your own advice.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Didn’t stop him from going 7 of 12 against the Cubs about a week ago... Cubs scored 4 total runs their last 4 games. That ain’t gonna cut it.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    We got him cheap. Just don’t like the surplus at 2nd. Rather see a table setter.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    All the 2Bman on the Cubs can play other positions, including Murphy.

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    In reply to Milk Stout:

    Murphy=washed up has been look like the entire cubs franchise. Time for another rebuild.

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    Just like you said about hamels buddy

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    .300/.341/.784 slash line for the season coming of knee surgery. .340/.370/.904 in the 2nd half so far. That’s your definition of “washed up”? Go back to your state of misery & worry about your 3rd place team.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    2nd place team. Heed your comments. He is a 33 year old 2nd basemen who you think is gonna save us.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Ah, I knew you were a closet Cards/Sox fan...

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    You are funny and a great troll. But cards are right behind us in 2nd not 3rd.

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    No one is trying to be the current cardinals. Lol

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    Murphy reminds me of Verlander in that he's a bulldog and if this team needs a spark he could provide it.

  • Murphy should be a DH in the Detroit games. Logical replacement for Russell. A punishment for two base running gaffes at third base. Pretty unforgivable. Besides, he is pathetic at bat.
    Murphy, just ferocious against the Cubs. I love this pickup.
    Next, Shields from the Sox for 6-7 starts.

  • Who is the SP for the Friday home game? Why not Underwood or Mills? Can’t be any worse than Walkwood? Monty still on the d/l from the honeymoon.....is about time a minor league pitcher stepped up.

  • Just saw that Yu is done for the year. “Stress reaction” to his elbow.

  • Yea it's official darvish is done for the season, still has triceps inflammation and a stress reaction to the elbow. Minimum 6 weeks recovery. The good news is no damage to his ucl

  • Russel a last second scratch, sore right shoulder

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    In reply to bolla:

    Interesting. Is Murphy in Detroit?

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    No , la stella will Dh baez to ss, the line up was re shuffled Jesse Rogers posted the new line up on his Twitter

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    In reply to bolla:

    Thanks bolla.

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    In reply to bolla:

    It looks like we’ve found the corresponding move for Murphy.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    I thought you would have volunteered to drive Daniel Murphy from Washington to Detroit in time for tonight's game. I would have chipped in for some of the gas.

  • I don’t think Darvish was 100 % healthy at any point this season. I think he’ll bounce back next season and be much better

    Thank goodness it’s not his ucl and Tommy John

  • In reply to bolla:

    I hope you're right Bolla he's obviously the most hated man in Chicago right now but I'm just worried about the long term outlook for this franchise. With the acquisition of Cole Hamels we don't really need Darvish this postseason and if he returns as the same pitcher that he's been his whole career then I have no complaints. I just hope he's healthy for me he's literally gone from a pitcher with not much injury risk to a pitcher that's probably the biggest injury question mark on our roster going into next season

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I think Darvish will be fine, look at his career numbers and look at his 2018 numbers with the cubs, he’s better than what he showed this season

    I think he tried to play thru the injury at 1st to live up to the contract then the docs had a hard time pinpointing the injury.I’ve said it before I’m pulling for yu he looked pretty dejected Sunday after having to leave the rehab start and a lot of “cub fans” have been saying some mean disrespectful comments about him the last couple days. I think he’ll be extra motivated to prove himself he was injured theres nothing he can do about that.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion, but, ...
    "The most hated man in Chicago right now" is a little strong for me.

  • In reply to DropThePuck:

    Not my opinion btw see my response towards Cubfanitut

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Darvish is the mosted hated man in chicago because of a stress fracture in his elbow? really?!?

    if thats true thats an embarrassment.

  • In reply to CubfanInUT:

    This doesn't represent my opinion FYI injuries are a part of sports and I'm not gonna bash a guy for getting hurt. Hate is a strong word and just for the record I've actually defended darvish on many occasions I think the treatment of him from some in the media this season has been unfair but I was referring to a large population of common uninformed cub fans with that statement. Go on Facebook and Twitter and the comments towards darvish are much more angry and hateful then the more intelligent dialogue we've seen on this site that's all I meant

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Looking at his track record he was a pitcher with a big injury risk.

  • In reply to WaitUntilNextYear:

    Disagree with this statement besides getting Tommy John surgery as many pitchers have he's had a good track record of durability

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Despite having TJ he has been durable. That is like saying besides 18 and 17 Addi is a good player. Anyone who has TJ is a huge risk.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    That's just a factually incorrect statement medically actually a lot of teams think it's a good thing when a veteran pitcher has already had TJS surgery because a ton of pitchers need it at some point of their careers. Look at the numbers going back to Japan the guy hasn't missed many games year to year. But you're always right and anyone who ever disagrees with you is a troll.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I love the immaturity at the end of your comment. People like you is reason why this site has been going down. Always have to come after one with a insult. Good work!!!!!

    A lot of teams think it is a good thing to have TJ??? That is factually wrong. I disagree with that statement. He has arm problems.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    You clearly haven't read much on how high the success rate is on pitchers returning from Tommy John unlike you clearly I'm well read on this topic and John has previously written articles on how teams it's become a market inefficiency to sign players coming off Tommy John based on how doctors have mastered the surgery. I can tell you 100% that you're in the wrong on this topic

    And frankly it makes me laugh that you say people like me are the ones starting conflicts on this site what a hypocrite you are do you even ever attempt to post intelligent comments on this site or do you just love debating and arguing just for the sake of it. I'm now the 5th person that you're trying to argue with since just last night it's posters like you that ate bringing this site down and I think many would agree with that statement. Please refrain from replying to my comments unless you're trying to have intelligent conversations I'm trying to talk Cubs baseball not argue with every poster on this site like you seem to love doing. Look at your last 10 posts to everyone which of your replies aren't an attack on others

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    I know what my response was to ppl who attack. Ppl like u always end with snotty comment. You can’t just stick to facts. It is sad u do this. I am kept up on this topic and TJ is not a good thing to have.
    It is a 2 way street if u don’t like my response then don’t respond or respond without being in attack mode.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    it's only the major surgery with the highest success rate of full recovery in sports but let's just say you're right because you'll clearly never admit you're wrong regardless of what the facts are. Is everyone else the reason why you're getting into a lot of conflicts on these boards or do you contribute to that? Just something for you to think about the rest of us aren't having all these heated debates regularly

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Why is it about who is right or wrong???it make u look childish when tell me I never admit I was wrong. I don’t get that. I have my opinion and take on certain issues. Doesn’t mean right or wrong. Same goes to you. If I was a MLB GM I wouldn’t like to go for a guy who had TJ. Like in this case when they took Yu over Jake cause he already had TJ and wouldn’t have it again. That philosophy or theory isn’t mine. If u like it then good for you.
    As for 2nd part. There are you, MS, bolla and Simmons who like to end your points with being aggressive and demeaning toward ppl. Difference is I will respond to that.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    We'll have to agree to disagree. To me it looks childish when a poster consistently seeks out conflict as you've done with a number of posters besides the ones you've listed rather than conduct themselves in a friendly and respectful manner. I'm gonna be an adult and end this conversation out of respect to this forum I'm here to have intelligent baseball related talks not to argue over nonsense

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Exactly another case of how u put ppl down. You can’t just make a point or drop facts and leave it at that. Have to make insults. I don’t mind disagreeing. I don’t come here to change minds. I appreciate you walking away.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Apologies if you feel that I'm trying to put you down. My only point is I know you're a well intentioned fan that's just trying to talk cubs baseball and it's fine to disagree but when you do so in a manner that can be considered snarky and condescending towards others than you can't be surprised when people take exception to your replies in general. I know you have good intentions and I accept responsibility for the role I played in letting this talk get out of hand. I'm not trying to be one of the guys on this board that contributes to stirring up controversy I think a lot of us appreciate the culture that John built for this blog.

  • In reply to bolla:

    I would be lying if I said I won't even be slightly concerned about Darvish going into spring training and something in his elbow finally giving way and him needing another TJS. And I'm a rather optimistic person. I sure hope none of that happens, but won't be surprised if it does.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Was he healthy last postseason?

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    He was healthy when he shut down the d backs and cubs. Do you watch the games?

  • In reply to bolla:

    Lol Remind me bolla Was kershaw healthy last postseason? He must've been hurt how else can you explain how the Astros shelled him. Or maybe it's as simple as the Astros beat 2 really good starters because they're really good

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Exactly

  • In reply to bolla:

    Then how can you say he wasn’t 100% when season started? He get hurt in offseason? I did watch the games. Thanks for asking.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Maybe because darvish had career highs in several categories and this was what was said back in may when he went on the dl.

    A couple days before [placing Darvish on the DL], we were talking about it a little bit and we thought we could work through it with the trainers making him feel better,” Maddon explained. “But it just did not want to go away. He kept throwing and testing it and possibly that made it even worse.

    “And a guy who’s arm’s bothering him a little bit, there’s always a tendency that they want to test it by throwing more. So I think that’s what happened and because of that, he could not get to that comfortable point.

    he was not 100%

  • In reply to bolla:

    But finished last year 100%. So got hurt in spring training?

  • Triceps tendonitis changed my life. For the worse. The idea that you can bounce back from those things is ... Darvish has a helluva lot of mileage on his arm for his years.

  • Do we know if the Cubs had any insurance on Yu and can they collect any of year one wages?

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    In reply to Rock:

    I am sure they do, but who cares? It doesn't save any money in regards to the salary cap. All it does is save a billionaire a few million. Means virtually zero for the team if they have insurance or not as his money counts against the payroll and salary cap regardless. ( unless he retires)

    Even if his money was/is a sunk cost, the Cubs make and have plenty of money to replace him if they want.

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    Maybe I'm drinking the kool- aid but this is a real difference maker. All I can think of is the WS and I haven't thought about that this season until now.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Look at his last month & a half. The guy can flat out hit & is not a strikeout machine either.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    I think we now have our WS Desigated Hitter.

  • The addition of Murphy really adds some much needed contact ability to the top of our lineup (whether he bats 1st or 2nd). Hopefully his skills can rub off on Happ and Schwarber to help them see how to approach hitting from the left side.

    I haven't seen it announced anywhere, but I'm wondering who gets sent down tomorrow to make room for Murphy on the 25-man roster. I feel like Tommy LaStella could be the odd man out for the last 10 days of August, or maybe Addison Russell gets put on the DL for those 10 days. Probably more helpful to let Russell get that rest for his hand/finger, but I wonder if we need his glove for late inning defense more than 10 days off would do for his hand.

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    How many other runners would have gone to 3rd on that Rizzo hit? It wasn’t that far from 2nd and Javy made that decision probably without thinking about it.
    Now what I want from him is to consentrate on fielding the routine balls to him. He’s great at the highlight plays but it’s those easy ones that sometime befuddle him.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    He read their shift... No one covering third so Javy’s gonna take it every time. He’s awesome.

  • Terrible route & effort by Almora... Not a good 2nd half for him so far.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    He's usually good about not making defensive mistakes but I'm more concerned about his rapidly declining numbers against RHPs his ops is gonna be under .700 against righties if he continues to slump much longer so don't really know why he's in the leadoff spot against a righty. Our CF production is killing us in the 2nd half

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    He’s going to be the defensive replacement/5th OFer if he plays & hits like he’s been. Can’t bring the bat woes to the field. He cost em 2 runs in the field so far.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    I'll give him credit for bouncing back with 2 hits at least I still have some concern about his ability to consistently handle RHP but good to see him not only get 2 hits but do so against a RHP. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt most young players are gonna go through adversity at one point or the other and with Almora were all still learning about who he is as a player. Let's see how he responds I'd like to see more line drives in the air and a few more walks like we saw in the 1st half

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Do you realize that walks are more a result of pitching than hitting? If you want more walks instead of hitting, I would agree with you but if you want more walks just for the sake of walks then I do not agree. Look at the walks compared to the strikeouts and you will get a better picture than comparing walks with hits.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    You do realize that batters who don't swing at pitches outside of the strike zone tend to accumulate more walks? It's not about walks for the sake of walks, it's about pitch selection and plate discipline.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Yes, you are correct, but they also could accumulate more strikeouts by not swinging, which many Cubs are doing. I also realize most hits are from strikes close to the strike zone. I much rather have the hits rather than leave it up to the UMPs and I am sure so would the team.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    I get what you mean clark and I get that Almora is an aggressive hitter I don't expect him to suddenly become a more patient hitter and I wouldn't advocate having him get away from who he is as a player. I get that a big reason he doesn't walk much is because he has good contact skills and can put a lot of pitches in different locations in play that's part of why he maintains a good batting average. That being said, I think a big part of the reason he was so successful in the 1st half was because he really showed improvement with his approach he was walking at a respectable rate and laying off pitches that he couldn't do much with. If you look at his numbers since early July when his slump began one thing you notice is that the walk rate is plummeting he almost hasn't been accepting his walks at all. Now recently it's good to see him work a walk along with 2 hits in last nights game and he had a 2 walk game and home run recently. That tells me that you maybe right about our recent conversation that he's starting to get back into better form and I'd like to see his bat in the lineup more now that we're starting to see a better approach along with better production. I criticized Maddon for putting a player that's been struggling against RHP recently in the leadoff spot and I think Maddon was right and I was wrong. Maddon has said that he likes to put slumping players in the leadoff spot to get them going and I feel like Almora seems to have that mentality that embraces being in that leadoff spot. It seems like Almora is starting to build some of his confidence back at the plate but I'm just saying that I think his improvement ties in directly with the improved discipline that we're seeing over the past 7-8 games or so. He'll always be an aggressive minded hitter but I still think that he's at his best when he's being selective and swinging at mostly hittable pitches. I don't think it's an accident that his recent good games have come with a higher walk rate.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Wow. That might be dumbest post of night. He will be a starting cf and will never be a 5th Outfielder.

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Try reading & comprehension... key word there was “...if...”.

    But actually your award goes to yourself with the “His playing time hasn’t been plentiful.” post. Ha ha.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    He has had quite a few nights off, gets taken out late in games for defense and gets pinch ran for. So yes playing time has not been full time. I get that is hard for you to comprehend so I’ll type slower for you. Hahah.

  • Maybe he figures playing like that will get him more playing time.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Ha! It works for Happ, so why not give it a try...

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Exactly

  • And there’s a big reason they got a professional hitter... That’s happened way too many times over the course of the season.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    I think the reason they got Murphy is because the ones currently playing for the Cubs have NOT been hitting.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Exactly. Inning ending DPs w/a runner on 3rd iS “Not hitting”... Their outs are not productive either. They left 10 OB tonight.

    Murphy is not a savior, but he’s an upgrade bat over most of what they have. They also need a healthy, productive Bryant back. That’s 2 important bats for the lineup.

  • Tonight trivia question for the night:
    Who will hit the Cubs solo homer for their only run tonight?

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    Tony...

  • Brewers get 4 runs in the first.

  • The white sox a bottom 3 team in mlb destroyed zimmerman his last start.The cubs can't even scratch a run across him this is discouraging.

  • Almora should have been benched after screwing around in the first inning. He clearly wasn't ready to play.
    Its too bad the Cubs couldn't have picked up Murphy before the Pirate series.

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    OK RIZZO ! CUBS FINALLY SCORE !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Yeah... right. We should bench everyone when making an error because they clearly were not ready to play.

  • In reply to clarkAddson:

    Errors are errors, but lack of hustle should not be rewarded. Its too bad you don't know the difference.

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    Almora who can't hit and is lacking hustle just got his second hit but we would do better with hime on the bench. Looks like I am not the only one who doesn't know much.

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    Wow, we are going to have an uphill battle tonight. For a bad team, the Tigers are 41-4 leading after 7 and 45-2 after 8

    Excellent 7 innings from Kyle.

    Come on boys, we can't go down to Detroit allowing them to score only 2 runs

  • Is it a coincidence that when baez cooled off the cubs offense been in the tank? Hmmmmm

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    In reply to bolla:

    Sort of. Kinda like when Dexter was here and when he was on the DL, how different n bad our offense was. So they coined the " you go, we go" mantra for Dex.

    Problem is though nobody, nobody is hitting now. When Javy was the hottest like en fuego ( pre all star) , the big names weren't hitting but others were contributing.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Yea the whole offense collectively cold as ice they've had traffic too.With men on pop ups,fly outs,strikeouts or double plays seem to be the result every time.

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    In reply to bolla:

    Its borderline mysterious how this could happen all at once. I know the narrative is Chilli did a good job w this team cause we have a high OBP and at the top in runs scored, but this O has rarely looked impressive to me over long stretches. Maybe I am an old school fuddy dutty and doesn't understand that walks are the same as hits, moving runners/team baseball is overrated, and strikeouts don't matter.

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    Reds have some heart and obviously a better clicking O then our cubbies have battled all the way back and its 5-5 in beer country batting w the bases loaded and 2 outs

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    Leadoff walk. Lets do something boys.

    Come on !

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    Geez......3-1 count and the Schwarbenator gets beat by 2 straight fastballs right down the middle.

    I thought the day off would snap them out of this. Its going to take someone getting hot and some luck to snap them out of this. Hopefully thats David Murphy

  • Hmmmmmmmm... 3 days off in the past 8 days and hardly any offense in the same period. Could this have anything to do with our lack of offense?

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    This is one of the greatest choke jobs in cubdom history. 10 game lead on the cardinals and now about to go to 21/2 after tonight. The cubs window just got slammed shut and it will be the brewers and cardinals ruling the NL central for years to come while the cubs go back to a 90 plus loss a year team.

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    How sweet would a 2 run HR from the money man J Hey ?

  • The cubs starters have pitched great but the offense has been non existent. That's the most frustrating part

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    Hey this is getting old. I am starting to think this maybe the third best team in our division. Hope I am over reacting but man this stinks.

  • One new, "professional hitter" isn't going to fix this. All we can hope for is that it gives them overall a jump start of sorts. But I'm skeptical on Murphy fitting in in the clubhouse.

    The MVP chants have quieted for Javy. I'm not tying to be a jerk or pick on that group, not at all. It is more apparent than ever that this year, without Bryant and the other struggles and injuries, that this offense lives and dies with El Mago. Where did he go? Haven't heard a peep ... when he's not hot he's so freaking cold. That has always been his biggest weakness, the depth of his cold streak. He needs to get hot and stay hot or they don't have a chance.

  • In reply to JohnCC:

    After watching the last 5-6 games & the lack of offense, i don’t care whether he fits into the clubhouse or not...

    Legit question: What info or what evidence do you have that he will be a disruption to it? This is the 1st inkling I’ve heard of that. I knew Harper & Papelbon had problems. Didn’t know Murphy was a problem.

  • In reply to JohnCC:

    The Cubs can't have an offense that "lives and dies" with any individual player. Good teams tend to have a different hero each day, as players go through hot or cold periods. That's the point of the Murphy trade - another hitter with the ability to step up. Hopefully, some of the younger Cubs will learn something about quality ABs from him, but then they could have learned from Zobrist or Chili Davis, for that matter.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I think missing Bryant everyday is hurting the Cubs as much as anything. When he is there they play more as a team cohesive unit and the glaring microscopic details of other individual players stops. Now all it is is this guy isn’t doing this....that guy isn’t doing that.
    Somebody pull up the winning percentage of the Cubs when Bryant plays.....I would be willing to say it is the highest of any regular going back the last 3 years.....

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    I agree. They were able to win some games without Bryant & had the “Bote Bump”, but he’s either come back down to earth or they’ve figured him out... Bryant missing is starting to catch up w/them. Getting Murphy’s & Bryant’s bats in the lineup will be a nice addition.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Been saying as much as anyone now we realize how much it matters to have a guy like Bryant that is a high OBP and high slugging hitter for all the haters that say he's not a star. I know sometimes he tends to not come through with RISP with the game on the line but he's a young player and that's a skillset that I feel young stars get better at as they gain major league experience. Baez is one of my favorite players on the team what a year he's had but the reality is we don't have the type of bats to replace the impact Bryant makes offensively and that's gonna show up from time to time. Honestly I know these past 5-6 games have stunk to watch but I'm not particularly worried I know our lineup will see better days I just hope they turn it around sooner rather than later. At least we're seeing better starting pitching from our projected playoff starters that's the silver lining in all of this

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Very true....the pitching and the D have been there just no offense, we definitely need to get all facets firing at the same time.

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