Game Post 7/20

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Friday: 1:20 pm CT on MLB Network/NBC Sports Chicago/670AM

Lineup

Cardinals

1. Matt Carpenter (L) 1B
2. Yadier Molina (R) C
3. Paul DeJong (R) SS
4. Marcell Ozuna (R) LF
5. Jedd Gyorko (R) 3B
6. Kolten Wong (L) 2B
7. Dexter Fowler (S) RF
8. Tommy Pham (R) CF
9. Jack Flaherty (R) P
Cubs
1. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
2. Kris Bryant (R) 3B
3. Jason Heyward (L) RF
4. Javier Baez (R) 2B
6. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
8. Addison Russell (R) SS
9. Jon Lester (L) P
Bullpen Usage
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via Baseball Press.

Opposing pitcher

Scouting Report from Brooks Baseball.

Jack FlahertyJack Flaherty has thrown 1,667 pitches that have been tracked by the PITCHf/x system between 2017 and 2018, all of them occuring in the MLB Regular Season. In 2018, he has relied primarily on his Fourseam Fastball (94mph) and Slider (84mph), also mixing in a Sinker(92mph) and Curve (77mph). He also rarely throws a Change (86mph).

His fourseam fastball has less armside movement than typical, has essentially average velo and results in somewhat more groundballs compared to other pitchers' fourseamers. His slider generates a high number of swings & misses compared to other pitchers' sliders, results in more flyballs compared to other pitchers' sliders and has less than expected depth. His sinker is a real worm killer that generates an extreme number of groundballs compared to other pitchers' sinkers and has less armside run than typical. His curve generates a high number of swings & misses compared to other pitchers' curves, has a sharp downward bite, results in somewhat more groundballs compared to other pitchers' curves and has slight glove-side movement. His change generates more whiffs/swing compared to other pitchers' changeups and is slightly firmer than usual.

Sean's Note: Flaherty dominated the Cubs last month in a win on Sunday Night Baseball. The rookie has a very impressive 3.24 ERA, and an impressive 26% strike out rate.

Final Thoughts: The Cubs All Stars are back in the lineup after getting the day off on Thursday. Anthony Rizzo stays in the leadoff spot, where he has hit well. Jason Heyward started the second-half as well as he finished the first. Albert Almora is back after a minor health scare with his baby to be, luckily everything was ok. Jon Lester gets the start after pitching the final game against Padres. Lester has been very good at home with an ERA just over 2.00 at Wrigley.

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  • How’s the weather up there looking folks?

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Raining, with a front coming through around game time. Probably delayed but then totally clear. Play ball!

    How are the fish biting down there? Gosh I miss saltwater fishing.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Man, they got fish down here like I’ve never seen before......saw one a couple weeks ago that looked just like a garbage can lid......the metal kind.....

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Sounds like a big flounder. We called them man-hole covers, or doormats. Tasty, too.

  • Gorden Wittenmyer on the Score this morning said the same thing Maddon said last night.. The offense can’t carry this team forever. If our starters continue to go 4-5 innings the bullpen will be toast by September.. we may win the division easily but no way this team Goes deep in the playoffs..

  • In reply to TheSarge#36:

    I listened to that show this morning as well, and it reminded me of why I don't listen to sports talk radio. Wow! The hosts have no baseball knowledge and people are calling in to get their "expert" opinions. There are many writers and readers here at Cubs Den with far more baseball knowledge than those radio hacks.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Hope you’re right pop.. I would love to see deGrom in a cub uniform come playoff time though..

  • In reply to TheSarge#36:

    I'd love to get deGrom. But he's not available. I listen to these guys on the radio and realize they play to the lowest common denominator. They don't try to be knowledgeable, and they actually cut off knowledgeable fans because they are boring. They need the hot take, screamed from the mountaintops.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    I agree Barley. I like Mully & Hanley in the early mornings.. Then I switch over to Kaplan next. They at least don’t put down their callers. They also get good interviews. I love listening to Rizzo w/Kappy on 1000 when I can & Jesse Rogers. They both have good sources w/the Cubs & get some inside information we don’t normally get.

  • Do we have to give up a home run in the first every game!

  • In reply to stv711:

    At least it was only 1 run given up, It's getting pretty old

  • In reply to stv711:

    Is it time to pray for rain?

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    Well, now we're going to win. We seem to have to give up a run or two and then come back to win. It's worked 31 times this year but I sure wish we would take the lead and hold it for a change.
    Why don't more teams bunt on Lester? He almost didn't get that runner at 1st.

  • Here comes the bullpen again. This gets old

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    Lester=Washed up. Hendricks=5th starter with AAA stuff,Quintana=Ernie Broglio. Darvish..the cubs thought they were getting a Ninja but they got a geisha girl instead. Chatwood...wtf was Epstein thinking.. This team will get swept in the 1st round on the playoffs,if they make the playoffs.

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    And the Cards will be watching the playoffs on TV.

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    HI Greg! How are things down there?

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    We don’t have one pitcher that gives other teams concern. In 2016 we did, and they went deep into games. This year, even when Lester was dealing in the first half, he rarely went beyond 6. This is not new, but now falling behind each game, our pitchers out before 5 innings, the team could very well regress.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    The weaknesses of this team are fairly obvious. We will add a SP and at least one more RP. The only question is "how high?". I don't think Darvish is a factor. If I'm GM, I can't count on another inning.

    Buckle up. We do not waste these competitive seasons. It's about to go down in three, two, one...

  • Great AB, Javy. Flaherty on the ropes and Baez decides he doesn't care about swinging at strikes.

  • In reply to Kramerica20:

    And Willson follows suit. Excellent job

  • In reply to Kramerica20:

    But everyone wants to give him the MVP already.

  • In reply to TheSarge#36:

    I'm not giving out any hardware yet. Prior to the 2017 season I predicted Javy would finish top-15 in the MVP voting. A couple weeks into the season I walked that back, realizing that for that to happen Rizzo and/or Bryant would have to disappoint. And here we are in 2018.

    I would like to ask you a question. The way you set up your comments you seem to not want Baez to win the MVP. Why?

  • Two all stars. Two terrible at bats..

  • Three great AB's before that for the top of the order.

  • The bullpen is going to pitch a lot of innings today and tomorrow. They got Chatwood and Montgomery going tomorrow. Those 2 like Lester today will not see the 6th inning. Maybe not even the 5th.

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    3+ innings for Lester. He sure was wild today.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    11 games in 10 days. Need you to go deep today, Jon.
    "Lol whatever, Bro."

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    I certainly hope that he's not entering a bit of a slump he hasn't looked sharp the past few starts really and we've all been nervous about him as a regression candidate given the gap between his FIP and ERA. Hopefully he can right the ship I know he'll be fine but we need better starts because right now our rotation isn't pitching well enough to play for anything meaningful. The good news is we have 4 legit starters with playoff type track records but Darvish needs to actually return this year 1st

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    StL shows what happens when batters are disciplined.

  • When it comes down to it.. like I said a month ago.. at bats aren’t the problem...problem is pitching, and we have very little of that when it comes to starters.

    Those three great at bats gave us no runs...

  • Looks like Jesse Chavez is going to have a busy weekend with a double header on tap for tomorrow

  • Why did Maddon have the infield in, in a 9-1 game with bases loaded and one out?

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    I'll counter= why not?

  • FG and a quick kickoff return with the 2 pt conv and we’re right there!

  • Who pitches next? Caratini, Baez, Schwarber, or the field?

  • Bass will be on the Iowa Shuttle. Maples will be back up. At least that is my guess.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    I think they need to bring up somebody when can eat innings for tomorrow. Maybe a starter? Cubs got Chatwood and Montgomery going tomorrow.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    I don't believe Bass can be sent down

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    The cubs terrible starting rotation is being exposed by the cardinals. Expect another Theo Epstein panic trade any minute now.

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    At least the cubs stacked up all these overrated hitters like russell,bryant and schwarber instead of developing ONE starter in that same span.

    This is why they have to spend 164 million on walkwood and darvish who have both been epic flops ,or trade your best prospect for a bum like quintana and now they have NOTHING to trade for an upgrade. We'll always have 2016

  • In reply to bolla:

    Amazing how other teams bring up young starters that just kill us and we Bring up the Underwood’s of the world. Theo will leave when his contract is up and we will be back to the loveable losers.. no minor leagues and overpaid veterans.
    But thanks for the World Series Theo..

  • In reply to TheSarge#36:

    Man, amazing what one blowout loss does to some folks.

  • In reply to Kramerica20:

    Definitely brings out the whiney bitches

  • In reply to Kramerica20:

    Amen. Can you imagine what their reactions are when something significant happens in their lives?
    I’ve been watching Cubs baseball since the early 50s; and this is by far the best I’ve seen, including this apparent beatdown!
    They have the BEST RECORD IN THE NATIONAL LEAGUE. Find something else to get upset about ; or even better try being positive about the Cubs. How about La Stella’s era. Never mind!

  • In reply to captjack:

    I'm irritated they took Carpenter out. You don't get many shots at a 4th HR.

  • In reply to Kramerica20:

    Yea, I was kind of surprised at that too.....always want to see them get a chance at that...

  • In reply to Greg Simmons:

    Well if Jon Lester is an all star yet he's the one that got roughed up then how is that exposing anything when it comes to this game? At least this loss increases the odds that your cardinals put off your inevitable rebuild that's coming whether your GM wants to admit it or not

  • Schwarber was drafted 30 picks ahead of jack flaherty by the way.Now which one of these players do the cubs really need? lol

  • In reply to bolla:

    I'd take Schwarber over Flaherty long term and I don't even think it's even close what has Flaherty even accomplished at the big league level. Besides that no GM in his right mind would've taken Flaherty top 15 he wasn't even in the discussion going into that draft. Flaherty also has significantly higher injury risk moving forward being a pitcher

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Schwarber is not needed, happ can do everything schwarber does. A cost controlled young starter is what the cubs can really use. But it's revisionism on my part my point was basically the cubs have no starters like flarherty or weaver or reyes but they have an abundance of hitters.In 2018 it's rearing it's ugly head because all 5 starters have question marks.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Agreed on the 2nd half of your post but I think that's by design there aren't that many great starters that have come out of the drafts lately in general especially around the range where we have been picking. Now I can see drafting Aaron Nola who went a few picks after Schwarber but I vividly remember that nobody wanted him at the time because he was supposed to be a high floor but limited ceiling pitcher and he's frankly turned out much better than people expected. With Schwarber too Theo has said he values the work ethic and toughness character trait that he brings to the clubhouse it's a trait that's in short supply with a lot of soft spoken and easy going players. Look how much he's improved this year defensively and at the plate this guy is a worker and he's going to continue to improve. In any event we really can't complain about Theo's drafting it's one of the main reasons why we're an elite franchise overall people take for granted how high the probability is of drafting a bust even in the top 10-15

    And you maybe right about Schwarber being redundant and Happ providing similar value in the regular season but I take Schwarber against elite playoff pitching over Happ any day of the week and you know I've constantly defended Happ from fans that love Almora and dislike happ for whatever reason as if we can't appreciate both. Remember one more thing too Bolla Schwarber has strong trade value and if Theo wanted to trade him he could probably use him as a centerpiece with other top prospects for a Jacob Degrom, Chris Archer, or any SP's available in the future. Teams value Schwarber long term because they love the bat and his character so it's not like we couldn't still get a really good available starting pitcher if we chose to trade him. I have a feeling Theo won't trade him though he places a lot of value in how Schwarber positively affects our team culture in addition to his play and work ethic.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    How can you say about Nola that "nobody wanted him at the time"?He was the number 7 over pick in the 2014 draft. He was highly ranked player going into the draft.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    Did you follow John's draft reports? I'm saying what everyone on this website and fans around the internet said at the time. Nola was a great college pitcher I followed him closely but he was projected to be a low upside but extremely high floor pitcher and many said he was almost guaranteed to be a MOR pitcher with how polished he was but they also thought that his upside was limited due to the fact that he doesn't throw that hard for a RHP. He's reached an upside that nobody projected at the time and that's why he wouldn't have been a popular pick in the moment I'm just reporting what I read on this website and what I researched that's all.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    He was projected highly but he wasn't expected to go higher than 5-6 due to the fact many saw him as only a MOR starter albeit one who was a sure thing MOR starter even coming out of college

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    He was seen as a MOR starter because he's more of a groundball/sinker type of guy and not an overpowering type of pitcher that blows you away. He's exceeded expectations despite the fact that he was highly regarded. Keep in context that the bust rate in the MLB draft is very high so teams are ecstatic is they can get a MOR starter even as a top 7 pick it's not other sports with lower flameout rates

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Getting a little touchy there with the "Did you follow John's draft reports?". I am just stating what I know. He was highly ranked going into the draft. I am not saying the Cubs should of drafted him. I am just saying he was easily a top 10 player going into the draft.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    I didn't mean to be touchy I'm just saying that for those of us that read Johns' draft reports that he constantly preached that Nola was an extremely high floor guy with a limited ceiling. He was projected to go in the 7-10 range I agree and my point is I don't think it's fair to criticize Theo for not drafting a guy that basically not a single fan or draft analyst expected to go in the 3-4 picks. This isn't me throwing facts out there or giving my opinion I'm not saying he wasn't a highly regarded prospect I'm moreso saying that the industry undervalued his upside coming from a guy that closely followed that draft class. Go back and read John's draft reports or any draft reports and you won't see much support for Nola with the cubs pick fans aren't interested in the moment on using the 4th pick on a guy that's supposed to be a MOR starter with an extremely high floor until they look in retrospect and see that prospect outperform the supposedly "higher upside" prospects like Kolek and Brady Aiken, Rodon, Nick Gordon, etc. To Nola's credit he's far exceeded any expectations of his upside and he'd likely go #1 if that draft was re-done.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    What part of my post above that said "I am not saying the Cubs should of drafted him" did you not understand? This all started with you saying that "nobody wanted him at the time" about Nola and I disagreed.

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    What are you worked up about all I'm doing is answering your question and providing context into my comments lol not one time did I refer to your opinons I'm just providing more context to you disputing my "nobody wanted him at the time" claim by saying that I'm not saying he was lowly regarded just that he didn't have a high enough perceived ceiling to go any earlier than 7 and especially not as high as 4. When I say nobody I'm referring to the near unanimous group of cub fans that thought he didn't have the upside to go as high as 4 which he has proven wrong. I don't think retrospective analysis is fair and that's why I'm providing context into what was said about him before the draft that's the only purpose of my post

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    And this whole "nobody wanted him at the time" completely takes one little snippet of my comment completely out of context. That's only meant to mean people weren't clamoring for him to go 4 not nobody wanted him he was arguably the best college pitcher

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    Who said anything about Nola going 4?

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    You wanted me to clear up the whole "nobody wanted him at the time" quote that you took out of context and I did why are you still asking me the same question lol and when did I ever refer to your opinion lol my goal was to clear up your original post

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    So you respond to my post saying "how did no one want Nola he went #7 overall and when I reply and I write multiple detailed posts to clear up your that I meant nobody was clamoring for him to go as high as 4 to the Cubs and because you misunderstood my post I'm the one that's confused. Please refrain from replying from my posts unless you want to have an intelligent conversation I don't have the time or patience to clear up every one of my quotes that you misinterpret as has happened on a large number of occasions with you and you never admit you misinterpreted anything too because you never make mistakes I guess. It's ok to admit that you didn't pick up the context of what I was saying without being rude about it and acting like I'm attacking your opinion when all I was doing was clearing up your original reply and providing context into what was said before that draft

  • In reply to 2016 Cubs:

    Ive answered your question about my quote that you're apparently unclear about 2016 what's your goal exactly is this supposed to be an attempt to drive me nuts and force me to respond the the same question 5 times. I've answered your question 5 times maybe you should read people's posts lol

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You're perfect for providing snarky comments to small snippets of people's posts then providing one sentence replies that ask essentially the same question that I just answered

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You're the one that's confused. Lets just drop it and move on.

  • In reply to bolla:

    So would you rather have a little more pitching now and trying to end 110 years of misery? Because that’s what your revisionism sounds like. I’m grateful for the World Series that Kyle played a big hand in winning while starting in only 4 games. Forever grateful. I can say with 100% certainty that Aaron Nola would not have helped us with that World Series.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    He also only scored 2 runs for a variety of factors 1. Coming off a shortened rehab off of his acl surgery He played only 4 games all on the road and he was pinch run for a number of times late in games bc he was on base constantly. He only had 2 rbis bc he was too busy table setting batting 2nd. He batted over .400 in that WS btw and the Cubs were 3-1 in his 4 starts and 1-2 in games without Kyle at wrigley. And one more thing that 10th inning rally very well may not happen if Kyle didn't step up as the leadoff hitter that inning his leadoff hit changes the complexion of that inning. He also was pinch ran for that inning due to his acl injury which took another potential run that he would've scored. I still maintain that we flat out don't win the WS without him

  • In reply to bolla:

    You also conveniently forget that we likely don't win a WS without Schwarber and his performance in the 2015 playoffs helped pave the way for the confident team that we see today in big games. He's one of our best big game players and he's already accumulated almost a 2.5 WAR season. Anyway we slice it you're undervaluing what he's accomplished and what he'll continue to accomplish. He's done far more than Flaherty has in his career that's all I know.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    You're giving schwarber way too much credit.We can agree to disagree. Happ can do anything schwarber can do and play multiple positions which schwarber cannot. Never seen a player get overrated so much

  • In reply to bolla:

    Not really he was huge for us in the playoffs I don't know how that's disputed and he is having a good season as shown by pretty much any number you point to. I'm not saying he's an MVP candidate but he's on the trajectory towards being a really good player. Go on the athletic for other teams trade talks and whenever you see talks about Jacob Degrom you always get Met fans that want Schwarber or Baez as center pieces. I think you severely undervalue his walks cub fans take them for granted because we have a strong OBP but other fanbases notice our lineups patient approach

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I respect your opinions/posts but we'll just agree to disagree on this subject.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Agreed. And I also agree that we're going to need to figure out something with this starting pitching but I think that's independent of Schwarber he's part of the reason we have the #1 offense in the NL and frankly he has the trade value to turn into a good starter anyways. Unfortunately this SP market is trash I'm hearing Degroms not getting dealt and we're basically choosing between guys like Matt Harvey, Tyson Ross, JA Happ, and Chris Archer who the rays really don't need to trade unless they're blown away. Looks like we're pretty much relying on Q, Hendricks, and Darvish which concerns all of us. My only wish would be that Darvish gets healthy for the last month of the year if we're going to go down I at least want to have our top 4 starters going I can see Darvish, Q or Hendricks stepping up in a big game with their histories of success but I wouldn't feel too great about Chatwood, Montgomery, Chavez or really any of the available SP's by trade besides Archer.

  • Hope Rizzo gets an inning on the mound since he's always asking Joe for it.
    Also hope Carpenter his 5 HR today.

  • Ole Carpenter havin himself a day aint he?

  • This game is gonna huge chunk out the run differential sheesh.

  • Tighten up,Tommy damn lol

  • Cards must be concerned that we might make a comeback in this game, still using their bullpen when they have a 14 run lead.

  • This game is really showing the changing of the guard. The Cubs keep thinking they can turn it on in the 2nd half. They can't. The Cards are going to ride the new manager to the NL pennant. The Cubs think they have good young players, but every team overvalues their own players. The Cards are absolutely kicking the Cubs' butts. Get used to it.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    GreglyPop

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Lol That's pretty good actually I was going to reply only to realize this ain't Greg's comment. Greg Barley

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    In reply to BarleyPop:

    Barley Simmons. You know, I have never seen you in the same place at the same time.

  • Lol a grand slam here will cut the lead in half and the cubs will still be down 8

  • This is hilarious watching position players pitch. 55-64 mph pitches

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    In reply to bolla:

    For guys who have spent years working on catching up with 85-95 mph it is actually probably a little hard to adjust. Obviously they will and there is much more margin for error on slow pitches but it can throw a guy off for a PA or two.

  • At what point do we decide to treat Brian Duensing like he's not on a 2 year 7 mill contract this guy isn't good enough to be a part of a WS contending teams bullpen he's ultra reliant on having pinpoint command but other than the 2nd half of last season he just hasn't shown throughout his career that he has the necessary consistency with his command to be successful. There's a reason we got him as cheap as we did last year this guy isn't highly valued around the league and I'd argue that resigning him to a 7 mill deal is my least favorite move that Theo has made in his cubs tenure from a scratching my head standpoint. I think we gave him that money because he's a good guy not because of his talent I know that's a strong statement but the guys love him in the clubhouse and I think Theo overvalued clubhouse culture on this one you've gotta have talent to last in this game too. Just release this guy and move on he doesn't have much upside anyways even if he turns things around and he's taking a spot from a potential trade acquisition and a number of our minor league guys that have flat out far outperformed him

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Kind of makes ya shake your head a bit considering Hector Rondon now......

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    I actually have a friend close to a number of the hispanic players on the team but he's in particular friends with Willson Contreras and Jorge Soler previously. He says that besides the fact Rondon was due about 5-6 mill that Rondon was also disgruntled and not happy with Joe Maddon or the coaching staff. He felt he was unfairly relegated to mop up duty when he struggled and not put in a position to succeed and regain his confidence. He apparently also had some disagreements with the way the team utilized his pitch mix so overall there was more to that situation than meets the eye.

    That being said I feel he had a good arm and we maybe could've done more to reconcile and patch things up this is a guy that gave us some good years and I feel just non tendering him may have been premature. I'd also throw out Tony Watson to that mix I've long respected him with the pirates and he only signed for 2 years and 16 mill. At least Chatwood had decent stuff when they took that risk that I didn't approve of but I have no idea why they felt like Duensing was worthy of a nice investment.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Ahhhh ok, good to know.....yea, Hector was the actual closer for awhile....think he was injured and lost the job because of it and never really was effective enough afterwards to get it back. Could cause bad feelings.....people rag hard now on Duensing but he did really well for a good stretch....but he’s not the same now, no doubt.

  • In reply to Wickdipper:

    Yeah the Cubs do a heck of a job keeping these types of things in house wick dipper I've always respected that but we maybe could've handled it better but I get why Maddon didn't trust him. My bigger issue with duensing is I feel like if his value was at an all time high then use a little more money to get a better reliever with plus stuff like Watson. From a process oriented perspective I wasn't a fan of the move. I thought duensing really locked in with his command at the end of last year but I was skeptical that he could maintain that he hadn't really shown that type of command throughout his career. Not the end of the world but I'd like to see us move on and get an upgrade

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Alot of moves are really nothing more than a crapshoot, Wilson is a good example of that, nobody knows how they will really turn out. I’ve always believed that there is always a certain element of just plain good fortune for any team to eventually go all the way. Agree completely that many things should also be kept in house. There is a “need to know” and also a WE don’t need to know.....

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    There goes Caratini's ERA!

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    We don't win the WS without Schwarber. Every game he played we won. If the AL didn't win the AS game that year we would have played 4 games in Wrigley and I'm not at all sure we win.

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    In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Game 1?

  • Schwarber had 2 rbi's and 2 runs in the world series.So sick of the worship of this dude but ire for baez. hard to take any of you all serious

  • In reply to bolla:

    I like Schwarber and Baez. I want to keep both.

  • In reply to John57:

    I totally agree with you. Kind of funny to read this non-stop argument of Baez vs Schwarber. I want them (and others) to be Cubs for many years.

  • Yes, it is irrational and silly. I thought we root for the front of the jersey? Obviously there are some who only root for the back of the jersey and wish ill-will towards some players. I want them all to do well.

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    In reply to bolla:

    Just to be clear, I am not "bashing" Baez.

    But your criteria are a little slippery. You are tired of the hero worship for Schwarber because of 2 RBI and 2 R. I won't even go into him having one of the biggest hits in Cubs history because that is narrative and really not fair since Baez wasn't up we will never know what he would have done.

    But, that being said, if you want to talk about WS Baez, your hero in this post, struggled mightily. 13 Ks in 30 PAs is not good. 0 BB as well (I know, you don't like BB). Yes, Schwarber had 2 RBI and 2 R, but he also had about half as many PAs as Baez and his whopping 1 RBI and 1R. Meanwhile, as I've said before, Schwarber didn't make NEARLY the number of OUTS that Baez did.

    This isn't to say that Baez is a bad player. They have very different skill-sets. But this bashing you do of the "overrated" Schwarber is getting tiresome in my opinion.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    *Yawns* the cubs won 101 games without schwarber and 2 postseason series without schwarber. Baez was nlcs co mvp and had the 2 biggest hits in the nlds TWO game winning go ahead hits. Nothing schwarber did in 2016 compares NOTHING.

    Who cares if it's tiresome then stop replying I'm entitled to my opinion.If you don't like agree that's a personal problem.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Schwarber’s no more over rated any more than Javier Baez is... They’re both getting paid less than a million $$ & only 1 was even voted to the all star game this year for his 1st time. Tell me how are they over rated again?

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Schwarber is not as good as people hope.He's the reason why the cubs have passed on pitching (in trades or in the draft) and traded better prospects because of theos love affair with him.That's why schwarber is overrated, his 2017 season was garbage and he tailed off mightily in 2015.Missed the most successful season in cubs history with a an injury.Yet He's a god around here,bryant is the player who is really overrated. Lol @ tommy pham having similar numbers to "worth the wait" superstar kris bryant, who also underwhelmed last season. Yet all the ire is for baez , I'm sick of it.

  • Please step away from the ledge everyone. The Cubs had their butts handed to them today. It happens to every team. Every. Year. And as bad as the scoreboard may have been, this is one loss and counts in the standings the same as if they lost by 1 run. The Cubs have a very, very talented team. They will come back.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Exactly! Plus Milwaukee could help the cause tonight by keeping their streak going.....

  • Rough day. It’s over. 2 opportunities tomorrow.

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    Thank you. Perspective everyone.

  • Fangraphs wrote an article about the cubs starting rotation being bad. Only the royals,reds,Padres, White Sox and rangers have less war from their starters, those are all terrible last place teams . The cubs defense had made the starters look better than they really are. Not good ,and with the cubs boom or bust offense they could be in trouble this year if the starters don’t do a drastic 180.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Imo if the cubs want to go far in 2018 they need to put together a super pen and hope the starters can get on track and be at least average from here out.That means cutting the dead weight like duensing and whoever else.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Agreed ESP with a weak SP trade market I think our best bet is to get a guy to replace chatwood at 5 then I think we should try to form a super pen. Our pens been our strength but with Morrows questionable health and not many other guys that profile as high end closer types we can use more closer types even though we have depth at RP. Getting say a Zach Britton or someone like that means that in a perfect world we have a dangerous tandem at closer plus we'd have a really deep bullpen that's insured for injury and underperformance. Plus like you said with our SP in question we may need to go to the pen early in many of these playoff games and you need depth to do that. Agreed on duensing I don't even trust him against elite teams when he's in his best form but he's a liability that we have to improve on its that simple we can't be stubborn he's only signed for 3.5 mill or so next year

  • In reply to bolla:

    I know these guys are understandably not in your good graces to bolla but I think the reality is there's not really anyone we can realistically acquire that's better than a locked in Hendricks, Q, or darvish so while we should umquestionably be nervous about all 3 given their struggles and injuries they're all still probably the best shot we have. Unfortunate that we have so many guys in the midst of off years with the way we've been hitting this year

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I agree , I would try to get nathan eovaldi to replace walkwood. I hate watching walkwood pitch seriously it's too up and down , his lack of control is scary he almost hits a batter in the head at least once a start.

    I would then go for britton, the problem is there's several teams interested in britton and because of that I don't think the cubs have enough to acquire him without overpaying.I'd give the orioles de la cruz but I doubt they'd want him right now.If not britton then barraclaugh from the marlins, he's gonna cost but he's under control until 2021.

  • In reply to bolla:

    Also jeurys familia bolla apparently it maybe down to the As and Cubs according to mlbtraderumors.com. He's a bit wild but pretty darn difficult to hit when he has his command going as shown by the 2015 playoffs

  • In reply to bolla:

    Evoldi getting beat up for the second consecutive start, maybe he’s not the answer.

  • In reply to stix:

    Actually Evoldi pitched pretty good tonight. 6 innings 1 run 8K 0BB. It was the bullpen that got beat up.

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