MLB Draft Day 2: Cubs select Duke OF Jimmy Herron with first pick of the day

Day two of the 2018 MLB Draft kicks off at 11:30 CST.

The Cubs held four selections on Day one. Their first choice was Stanford shortstop Nico Hoerner, a proven performer at a major college program and for the past two summers in the wood bat Cape Cod League. They then went for high upside plays with their next two choices taking a pair of athletic prep outfielders, Brennen Davis and Cole Roederer. Both were slowed by injury this spring which probably helped keep the buzz down on each of them throughout the draft process. They inject some much needed high ceiling potential into the system. With their final pick, the Cubs returned to the collegiate ranks, selecting a proven strike thrower in San Diego righty Paul Richan.

I am hopeful for continued focus on high ceiling prep players today. The Cubs have a young core under control for the near future. Their pitching staff, especially the bullpen will need to be fortify soon, but that is the current strength of the Cubs system thanks to two consecutive drafts heavy with college pitchers. Rounding out the bullpen with internal replacements should not be an issue the next few years. What the Cubs need is to restock on higher upside talent so that  4-5 years down the road when the core begins hitting free agency the Cubs have potential internal replacements for some of them. This strategy will require the selection of some underslot seniors from the college ranks as well. The Cubs have even had some luck finding value in these guys as well (Zach Godley, James Farris, Ryan Williams, Craig Brooks).

I will update this thread throughout the day as the Cubs make their selections.

Third Round (98): OF Jimmy Herron

College: Duke | B-T: R/L  | HT-WT: 6'1" 195  | DOB: 7/27/1996 

Baseball America: 165, MLB.com: NR

SLOT VALUE: $570,600

jimmyherron1Jimmy Herron is a speedy outfielder who played RF at Duke but most believe he will move to CF as a professional as the offensive profiles better at that position. Another proven Cape Cod League performer, Herron hit .338, good for 3rd in the circuit there last summer. The odd lefty throwing, righty hitter. Hit .298/.416/.454 with 22 SB (3 CS) and more walks than strikeouts. 

Another guy that suffered through a nagging injury (elbow) this spring that may have held down his draft stock. All three outfielders the Cubs have chosen so far missed time this year. Unlike the other two, Herron's injury may require surgery at some point, potentially of the Tommy John variety. His health makes him a potential underslot pick at this point but still with some upside once his elbow is fixed.




 

Fourth Round (128): RHP Ethan Roberts

College: Tennessee Tech | B-T: R-R | HT-WT: 5'11" 170 DOB: 07/04/97

Baseball America: NR, MLB.com: NR

SLOT VALUE:  $426,100

Undersized right hander Ethan Roberts is up to 92 with his fastball. His best pitch is a cutter and shows feel for a curve as well. Throws a lot of strikes and is a potentially quick moving reliever. Often works multiple innings as the Tennessee Tech closer. This is likely the first Cubs selection that could be considered a true under slot pick.

 

Fifth Round (158): 2B Andy Weber

College: Virginia / B-T: L-R / HT-WT: 6' 1" 190 / DOB: 07/24/97

Baseball America: NR, MLB.com: NR

SLOT VALUE: $317,600

An offensive second baseman, Andy Weber put up strong OBP and SLG numbers with Univeristy of Virginia. Looks like he can play a bit of defense too. Hit .344/.415/.536 with five HR & 49 RBI and 19 doubles in 2018. First-Team All-ACC, tied for conference lead in doubles, second in hitting.

 

Sixth Round (188): RHP Kohl Franklin

School: Broken Arrow Sr HS (OK) / B-T: R-R / HT-WT: 6' 4" 190 | DOB: 09/09/99

Baseball America: NR

SLOT VALUE: $245,600

kohlfranklinProjectable prep right hander, Kohl Franklin has been clocked up to 93. Possesses good feel for a changeup in the low-80s that he considers his go-to pitch. Throws both a slider and curve but reports are mixed on both. Franklin is the nephew of former MLB All-Star reliever Ryan Franklin. Missed part of the spring with a broken foot. He was considered a strong Oklahoma commit, but his father is a pro agent who reps several big leaguers so the Cubs must have an agreement worked out for him to be taken here.

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Seventh Round (218): D.J. Artis

College: Liberty University / B-T: L/L | HT-WT: 5' 9" 165 | DOB: 03/20/97

Baseball America: 149, MLB.com: 136

Scouting grades according to MLB.com: Hit: 50 | Power: 40 | Run: 60 | Arm: 40 | Field: 55 | Overall: 45

SLOT VALUE: $192,500

Speed is the first thing that will jump out when watching center fielder D.J. Artis. He possesses a long track record as a top of the order hitter in college and on the Cape. Have you heard that profile before? An undersized lefty with a pronounced crouch that shrinks his strike zone even further, he led the country with 62 walks last season and finished second with a .532 OBP. Slashed .305/.464/.489 through 190 at-bats this spring.

 

Eighth Round (248): RHP Zach Mort

College: George Mason | B-T: R/R | HT-WT: 6' 1" 205 | DOB: 05/22/97

Baseball America: NR

SLOT VALUE: $159,100

Another strike thrower. Zach Mort racked up over a K per inning and a K:BB ratio near nine with his three pitch mix.

 

Ninth Round (278): RHP Derek Casey

College: Virginia | B-T: R/R | HT-WT: 6' 2" 190 | DOB: 02/15/96

SLOT VALUE: $145,100

Derek Casey missed all of 2016 and part of 2017 while recovering from Tommy John surgery. Returned to become Virginia's Friday night starter as a senior this year. Low-90s and overall stuff is considered average but did miss plenty of bats this season.

 

Tenth Round (308): 3B Luke Reynolds

College: Southern Mississippi | B-T: L-R | HT-WT: 6' 1" 215 | DOB: 03/20/95

Baseball America: 404

SLOT VALUE: $137,600 

Older college slugger who sat out two seasons because of various school transfers. Hit .389/.551/.699 this season and was leading the NCAA in walks at one point. More likely to end up at 1B than 3B as a professional.

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  • Luke Heimlich is still out there. Will be interesting to see when & where he goes. Orioles were said to have previous interest him.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    With his record at Oregon State, it seems like somebody would be willing to take a chance.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    He is too Rapey. Not drafted today. I don’t think any team will touch him.

    Drew Rasmussen could be an option if you want a project from OSU. Has had 2 TJ surgeries but when on he is a 1st round talent

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    No thank you

  • Cubs are up again. 3rd drum roll pick is...?

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Jimmy Herron

  • CF out of Duke. Not rated by MLB

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Cubs are loading up on CFers. I take that as less an indication on what they feel about the ML team and more about what's in the system currently. I wonder if they are not feeling the love for Wilson, Martinez, Hanneman, etc.

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    In reply to Pura Vida:

    CF can usually cover LF and possibly RF as well depending on their arm and bat. Get athletes and let things get sorted out. As for the other CF in the org I don't read anything into this affecting them. The team has shown that having a glut of guys who can all play a premium position isn't necessarily a bad thing.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    Hi Joel. You're right. I didn't really think my post through. Hot take central. Also, maybe I'm projecting on my own lack of excitement about those guys!

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    It is not a wise idea to draft based on need rather than best player available. With their first pick, they took someone ranked in the 50s or higher by most sites. With every other pick, the person has been rated in the mid-100s (with their 4th round pick not in BA's top 500 or other players from Tennessee list).

    Either they are a geniuses finding talent others don't see or they are making mistakes. The fact that they need a CF after overpaying for Hanneman and Wilson indicates possibly the latter.

    Their best picks have been consensus good players, either first round picks or players who fell like Dylan Cease. They have no history of finding diamonds in the rough with the Cubs.

  • In reply to springs:

    I agree, Springs, about not drafting based on need. After some thought (and reading your and Joel's posts) I realize I didn't really think my post through above.

    I do differ from you about the Cubs failing because of the rankings, though. All these picks are lottery tickets and they are picking the guys they think will pay off the best. We won't know for at least a few years.

    They have definitely missed on some picks (Hanneman is one as are a number of their pitchers) and I'd like their success rate to be better at the lower rounds, but they've also hit some mammoth home runs and to not give them credit for that strikes me as being disingenuous. Top 10 picks or not, the Cubs have hit on a high number of them while other clubs have had a fair number of failures there.

    Overall, the FO understands there are multiple ways to build a team: draft, free agency, and trades and the fact that the Cubs have been to 3 league championships in 3 years and won 1 World Series indicates to me that they know what they are doing overall even with some missed picks.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I think it’s the up the middle type defense w/good bats that sells. Just like SS. If all things equal w/the bat, you take the position. CF & SS are prime positions. They enough poop at the wall, some will stick & some will be more trade ammo.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    and needs TJS on his elbow.

  • Cubs definitely going off the radar for their picks this year.

    Hopefully, they know more than the combined MLB scouting programs (who rank these guys) know, in picking guys who are ranked at the higher end of the top 200 or not ranked in the top 200 at all (like Herron).

    Davis is ranked at #145 and Richan at #175.

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    Herron, Richan and Roederer all ranked 161-165 on Baseball America

  • In reply to Michael Ernst:

    BA has different rankings compared to MLB rankings.

    Herron isn't ranked at all on MLB list. Guess it shows how much of a crap-shoot the baseball draft really is.

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    MLB list only goes to 200 as well, compared to BA going to 500, so keep that in mind.

  • In reply to Michael Ernst:

    I also generally have more confidence in ESPN and BA's list then MLB.com but that's just me

  • In reply to Michael Ernst:

    Exactly...every site said there were better players on the board (typically dozens of them) than who we picked. Sounds like the Hanneman pick again...he was the next Jacoby Ellsbury.

  • In reply to springs:

    I wonder how many writers at those sites that said there are better players on the board have built multiple championship teams through drafting and developing baseball players?

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    It wasn't just drafting and developing. It was also making trades and signing free agents.

  • In reply to WaitUntilNextYear:

    I know there's more to it than that. But look at the Red Sox rosters from their last 2 championships and the Cubs roster, and there's a lot of hits, and they're not all just high first round picks. Mookie Betts was taken in the 5th round by Theo in his last draft for the Red Sox. Show me another GM who's nailed that many draft picks in the last 15 years. I'm sure there's as couple, but it's not like he's not one of the best at it.

    In another way, look at the many teams that perennially get to pick in the top half of the first round, year after year, yet the players they chose have not played any part in turning those organizations around. Hmmm...

  • In reply to WaitUntilNextYear:

    You're right you have to be able to acquire talent outside the organization but at the end of the day one of the main reasons that we're successful is making successful round 1 selections from 2011 on. I know they were high picks but look at those drafts top 15 picks and see for yourself how many busts or underwhelming picks there were. People don't understand how unheard of it is for a GM not to miss on a 1st round pick for years regardless of where you draft it's baseball most of these guys don't live up to the hype.

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    In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    It isn't that the Cubs "know more" than the combined scouting programs. It is that they know their needs and fits. The combined create a generic, ranked list of who they feel is, generically, the best, 2nd best, etc. The Cubs might find that they have different needs than other teams. It is not uncommon to read a "mock" draft where a given publication ranks the entire draft and then does their draft and the #5 team takes a much lower than #5 prospect.

    As has been discussed here sometimes "ranking" creates an illusion of separation of similarity of skill. #1 to #2 might have a MUCH larger difference than #24 and #25.

    Teams also have tendencies. We would like to believe that these are based on what kind of players they develop well, or what their organization needs. But sometimes it is just that they simply really like players of a certain type. One team might really liked polished RH college pitchers. Another might like toolsy HS OF/SS. Another might tend to favor advanced college hitters, another might like...

    Then there is draft strategy. Do we go overslot on a player? Maybe underslot somewhere else? Considerations like that enter in as well.

    All of these (and more!) things affect draft picks that a team actually makes. I wouldn't be shocked if teams read lots of different compilation sites such as MLB, BA, ESPN, et al. (Maybe even Cubs Den when John would do outlines!) and seeing if there is an insight there that they might have missed. But I doubt that they ever say, "Why would we draft the #50 guy in the 1st round? He should still be available when our pick comes up in the 2nd round."

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    There is a reason that a consensus occurs amongst people who work in an industry. Typically it is because that is the aggregate of the opinions of many different thoughts and generally consensus is pretty accurate as to results of the draft (not results in performance, that is a different story).

    There are times geniuses beat consensus...Carl Icahn's performance shouldn't happen in a market full of intelligent traders, for example. I hope that the players work out for this draft. But even if they do, it still doesn't mean the picks were correct if they were taken way earlier than needed -- did our last two picks who aren't in BA's top 500 (or even their list of other players from the applicable states) need to go now? The one pitcher we took 's bio says his ceiling is #4 or middle reliever....was the risk he wouldn't be there next round too big to take someone with a higher ceiling?

    I was a derivatives trader for many years. People who overpaid for assets like this lost lots of money. Very similar to what we see here.

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    In reply to springs:

    I am not saying that the consensus is wrong. They may be right in their ranking of players. But the rankings are generic. They presume all else is equal. But each team has unique strengths and weaknesses when developing players. As I said, if the site/source that does the ranking also does a mock draft they don't usually just go down their list and the #1 team takes the #1 "ranked" prospect, and the #2 team takes the #2 prospect etc.

    As I said above maybe the Cubs really like something that they see in Nico in the 1st round. Maybe they will underslot him. Maybe not. Maybe they like his make-up so much they will figure out how to use him. A couple of the college position guys they have taken seem to really have good hit tools (though the HS guys don't have great hit tools from what I have read). Maybe they are focusing on that.

    Right now we are reading tea leaves. There are a lot of things we don't know. As I said before some teams are willing to risk character to get better athletes, some are less willing. As you probably know the evaluations of players can differ from one team to another as well (which is why sometimes a player who struggles with one team excels with another). There is just too much we don't know. Often it takes days, if ever, for even experts to divine a team's "draft strategy." And evaluating a draft or a given pick less than 24 hours after announced is not a good proposition. Most draft experts say wait YEARS to evaluate a draft for a team, or even a draft class in general

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    List don’t mean a thing when a club likes certain physical traits & character types

  • Nico Hoerner was a plain vanilla pick. A David Bote, at best. I like going for high schoolers who are very athletic. Maybe you find a Willson Contreras who can develop into a star. The White Sox made a great pick. Nick Madrigal will start for them next year at second base and lead off. The Cubs should still draft his teammate Heimlich. He also could pitch in the Majors in 2019 or ‘20. That Oregon State team is probably better than the Tennessee Smokies.
    Actually that is a goid topic to discuss on this blog. How good are the best college teams?
    And are the Cubs rethinking the draft a bundle of pitchers strategy? With injuries so rampant for pitchers probably the best bet is to sign veterans or trade for them after they are seasoned. Developing pitchers, except maybe relievers is roulette.

  • In reply to Swarf:

    Surprised that nobody seems to want to draft your guy Swarf? Can't say the rest of us are very surprised but I actually think your last paragraph is a very interesting theory. In today's game it's just so tough to develop stud young starters and a lot of them are either going to be drafted before where we pick and it's like even if you develop a stud young starter like alex reyes there's just such a heavy risk of injury to young starters. Perhaps Theo's philosophy is moreso to stick with our strengths of developing more stud position players and acquiring pitchers from outside the organization through trade or using using our big market status to buy pitchers. If you notice Theo's track record of acquiring pitchers, you notice that all of them pretty much are guys with good track records of durability with clean mechanics. Seems he's big on reducing the chance of injuries when it comes to our starting rotation.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I think he goes later & his $$$ will be from the over slots in the 1st 10 rounds. Got a feeling, is all. Not sure what team. I’m hoping the Cubs go hard on some of the guys that were ranked higher but might be committed to their schools. Cole Wilcox, Austin Becker , etc...

  • In reply to Swarf:

    Or maybe he's Tommy La stella with more power and way, way better defensive value and speed. Sounds like Tommy La stella without his flaws and I don't know about the rest of you but that sounds pretty good to me this kid has leadoff hitter written all over him. We'll see what happens it's early but forgive me for being more confident in Theo's ability to identify position players compared to these draft websites.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I agree kkhiavi... I have way more faith in Theo's guys in drafting position players than I do in any of the draft websites rankings and blog posters who seem to think that the websites know more than MLB front offices that have drafted and built multiple championship teams. There's a reason that some guys work in MLB front offices and others work in top college programs, and then others that receive a much smaller pay check to just rank the players, instead of actually scouting, drafting and developing the kids.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    And that's not to bash Baseball America and other sites they do good work and I do typically like to have consensus with the pick that we make don't get me wrong but it's just irritating to see people bash picks before they even have a chance to show what they can do especially when most of these critics haven't even seen these guys play live. If it were up to baseball america we would've selected conforto over schwarber and jon gray over bryant so let's not forget that when people act like their rankings are end all be all these guys aren't some geniuses. Most of these guys aren't working in MLB front offices for a reason and even the guys that do get hired like Jason Parks typically don't advance to the top of any organization. These are guys are simply amateur talent evaluators not hall of fame executives like Theo Epstein it baffles me as to why comparing them is even being discussed I take Theo's word over there's any day of the week and that's not me being a homer that's just common logic.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Totally kkhiavi! I can even think of a writer that I used to read for Fangraphs that I think works for the Padres now. I can't remember his name now though. I think that's a rare exception in the business. Obviously there are scouts and writers for BA and other sources that do a ridiculous amount of work and are "experts" in the field, and I'm sure some of them are completely qualified to work for an MLB team in scouting, but it's definitely more of a fraternity environment than the regular workplace, making it even harder to get in and make a dent enough to be noticed and climb the ladder. Having said all that, I'll much rather "blindly trust" some of the proven front offices and their scouting team they've developed over the years who all understand what the team goals are in who they are looking to discover, draft, and develop more than the generic outsider opinion on hundreds of kids.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    And that's not to bash these guys as amateurs you can't be a nobody to work for a big baseball site like baseball america but these evaluators aren't the type of impact talent evaluators that rise up an organization like a theo epstein or a jason mcleod. I get the concept of preferring to see Theo Epstein to draft a player that's well liked by the media but people have to understand that MLB mock draft boards are the least accurate and most subjective draft boards of any sport it's not like the NBA where mock drafters are pretty darn accurate with how the draft goes. Mookie Betts was unranked by all of these websites didn't even have a scouting report and nobody gives Epstein credit there when he finds a legit superstar that was on nobody's radar. Again I get the desire to have consensus but I don't see how anyone can ever scrutinize any position player that Epstein deems to be a round 1 talent. He has far more credibility then these sites that's a fact not a discussion.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Just of curiosity why do you have such faith? Who have they drafted outside of the top-10 picks who has done anything? The FO is much better at trading for prospects or signing reclamation projects.

  • In reply to berber31:

    You do realize that this is baseball right there's a ton of 1st round busts compared to other sports like the NBA. You really have to go back and review those drafts just to see how likely it is for even 1st round picks to bust in baseball. What Theo has done with those 1st round picks is unprecedented and he's hands down been the best drafting GM over the past 10-15 years.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    They draft 30 guys a year. So far we've seen Almora, Bryant, Schwarber, and Happ make contributions to the big league roster. All were blue-chippers.

    I get your point, but I'd just like to see a later round pick develop at some point.

  • In reply to berber31:

    I get what you're saying berber but you have to realize that baseballs failure rate of players drafted is much much higher than other sports it's considered a good draft if even one of these guys has a successful career that's how high the odds are stacked against these guys it doesn't matter that there's 30 rounds. And I know as fans we're trained to think of top 10 picks to be automatic good to impact players, but in baseball that just isn't true in fact the majority of top 10 picks don't pan out which makes what Theo's done with the cubs more remarkable it's not an accident that everyone's taking college hitters earlier now, this is a trend that was started by our organization with all the pitchers and high school players that have been busts lately.

    To illustrate just how tough it is to nail picks even in the top 10-15 picks of the 1st round lets go to the 2014 draft class which went in this order: 1. Brady Aiken (bust), 2. Tyler Kolek (bust), 3. Carlos Rodon (significant injury), 4. Kyle Schwarber 5. Nick Gordon 6. Alex Jackson (bust), 7. Aaron Nola (only alternative to Schwarber really), 8. Kyle Freeland (BOR starter), 9. Jeff Hoffman (not very good starter), 10. Michael Conforto (our pick if Baseball America were running this team), 11. Max Pentecost (bust), 12. Kodi Medeiros (bust I think), 13. Trea Turner 14. Tyler Beede (decent not great prospect still). And let me also add that this isn't a cherry picked draft used to illustrate my point you can point to most years and there's typically a ton of misses and underwhelming picks even in the top 10-15 picks it's not easy hitting on young players in baseball once again this isn't the NBA where you can generally expect to get a good player with a top 10 pick. In baseball you're ecstatic to get an impact player like Bryant but if you can get good starters like Schwarber or Almora then that's a very successful pick compared to many teams drafting around you

    Now to illustrate another example lets look at the white sox past 7 picks: 2012-courtney hawkins at 13, 2013-tim anderson at 17, 2014-carlos rodon at 3, 2015-carson fulmer at 8, 2016-zach collins at 10 and zach burdi at 26, 2017-jake burger at 11. That's 7 straight draft picks where they've missed on premium picks and as someone whose followed this blog since 2011 I can tell you that baseball america and all these websites heavily praised rodon, fulmer, collins, burdi and burger. Yes the white sox have development issues but this isn't uncommon and it paints a picture of how much more bust potential top 15 picks have in baseball versus other sports. It goes to show you just how hard it is to draft and develop players through the draft and believe me if you compared what we've done versus other teams I can guarantee that we'd stack up with anyone when it comes to drafting and developing talent. Even the Houston Astros have missed on multiple number 1 overall picks in Mark Appel and Brady Aiken

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I should probably make clear that not all the white sox last 7 picks are necesarily busts but with injuries and poor performance I think that you have to be extremely disappointed by their track record of drafting and developing players. Let me reiterate though that it's still too soon to generalize on all of these guys such as Burger or Rodon.

  • In reply to berber31:

    I think you will see that soon &/or eventually... Remember, they did trade for Hendricks, who was an 8th rounder, the year after his draft for an aged Ryan Dempster. So it was sort of like their pick...

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    In reply to berber31:

    Well, Theo has found Jon Lester, Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts outside the 1st round, to name three.

  • In reply to John Winter:

    Lets get real the red sox won the 2013 world series basically completely because of players Theo signed or drafted the guy basically has 4 world series even though he has 3 officially and he's not even pushing 50 yet and people are actually trying to debate his credentials.

  • In reply to berber31:

    What about Anthony Rizzo ? Didn't Theo draft him in the 6th round !

  • In reply to ronvet69:

    You can find a number of gems from theo from his Boston days with non top 20 picks and I'd also add in Dylan cease as well we wouldn't have closed the Q deal without him even with Eloy being included

  • In reply to berber31:

    The administrator must really like doing lots of work and checking messages and the message that I took my time for you keeps getting nabbed... Just check back later and see how many times I tried to reply to you.

  • In reply to berber31:

    2004 Dustin Pedroia round 2, pick 65
    2005 Jacoby Ellsbury round 1, pick 23
    2005 Clay Buchholz round 1s, pick 42
    2005 Jed Lowrie round 1s, pick 45
    2006 Josh Reddick round 17, pick 523
    2007 ANTHONY RIZZO round 6, pick 204
    2011 Jackie Bradley Jr round 1s, pick 40
    2011 Mookie Betts round 5, pick 172
    2011 Travis Shaw round 9, pick 292

    A note about Mookie Betts, since many are enamored by BA and other scouting website rankings. Mookie didn't even appear in the BA top 200 draft prospects for the 2011 draft. I guess Theo was stupidly reaching with his 172nd draft pick for an unranked player. What a joke...

  • In reply to berber31:

    2004 Dustin Pedroia round 2, pick 65
    2005 Jacoby Ellsbury round 1, pick 23
    2005 Clay Buchholz round 1s, pick 42
    2005 Jed Lowrie round 1s, pick 45
    2006 Josh Reddick round 17, pick 523
    2007 ANTHONY RIZZO round 6, pick 204
    2011 Jackie Bradley Jr round 1s, pick 40
    2011 Mookie Betts round 5, pick 172
    2011 Travis Shaw round 9, pick 292

    A note about Mookie Betts, since many are enamored by BA and other scouting website rankings. Mookie didn't even appear in the BA top 200 draft prospects for the 2011 draft. I guess Theo was stupidly reaching with his 172nd draft pick for an unranked player. What a joke...

  • In reply to berber31:

    Well I took the time to type out a long list of the players they've successfully drafted after the top 10 picks, but the filter here doesn't like it for some reason. Luckily I copy and pasted it because I know it does those dumb things, but it still captured my message... so maybe you'll have to check back later for my reply. But I'll try it one more time here...

    2004 Dustin Pedroia round 2, pick 65
    2005 Jacoby Ellsbury round 1, pick 23
    2005 Clay Buchholz round 1s, pick 42
    2005 Jed Lowrie round 1s, pick 45
    2006 Josh Reddick round 17, pick 523
    2007 ANTHONY RIZZO round 6, pick 204
    2011 Jackie Bradley Jr round 1s, pick 40
    2011 Mookie Betts round 5, pick 172
    2011 Travis Shaw round 9, pick 292

    A note about Mookie Betts, since many are enamored by BA and other scouting website rankings. Mookie didn't even appear in the BA top 200 draft prospects for the 2011 draft. I guess Theo was stupidly reaching with his 172nd draft pick for an unranked player. What a joke...

  • In reply to berber31:

    2004 Dustin Pedroia round 2, pick 65
    2005 Jacoby Ellsbury round 1, pick 23
    2005 Clay Buchholz round 1s, pick 42
    2005 Jed Lowrie round 1s, pick 45
    2006 Josh Reddick round 17, pick 523
    2007 ANTHONY RIZZO round 6, pick 204
    2011 Jackie Bradley Jr round 1s, pick 40
    2011 Mookie Betts round 5, pick 172
    2011 Travis Shaw round 9, pick 292

    A note about Mookie Betts, since many are enamored by BA and other scouting website rankings. Mookie didn't even appear in the BA top 200 draft prospects for the 2011 draft.

  • In reply to berber31:

    this is super annoying why my completely clean responses keep getting filtered. As I read others replies since after I tried, more of the names are coming out... here are some without my previous thoroughness... Anthony Rizzo, Mookie Betts, Travis Shaw, Dustin Pedroia, Clay Buchholz, Jackie Bradley Jr., Jacoby Ellsbury.

    And the note that Mookie wasn't even in Baseball Americas top 200 draft prospects for the 2011 draft. It's a good thing Theo didn't follow the advice of BA.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    got you cubber. i wasn't checking the filter much today

  • In reply to Michael Ernst:

    Thanks Michael... I feel stupid for trying that so many times. I will never beat the filter. Now I see why others just mention it and it shows up once someone has the time to check. I won't go crazy next time; at least I'll try not to.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Welcome to Cubs Den, and I see you've met the spam filter. The frustration is understandable and we've all gone through it. The message you get is it's being reviewed by a moderator, but it has nothing to to with Cubs Den staff. It's a problem with the host site. As you see, Cubs Den staff are very efficient and plucking them out, and I'm sure they are as annoyed as we are.

  • In reply to BarleyPop:

    Some say I obsess too much. I don't obsess. I don't know what they're talking about. I'm as normal as others in not obsessing obsessively about anything.

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    In reply to Cubber Lang:

    Usually if you get something lost in the filter we just make a separate comment saying something like, "the spam filter ate my work" and the staff at Cubs Den are pretty good about monitoring that and, if they miss it they see the note and it reminds them.

  • In reply to Cubber Lang:

    That's great for the Red Sox. For the Cubs, for which he has worked for 6.5 years, he's drafted zero 2nd-through rest of draft who have produced with the big club.

    I'm not shitting on the FO. They do a great job in other facets. They just aren't the geniuses everyone makes them out to be with the draft.

    Yes, I know the MLB draft is not like other sports. But, they were drafting in the top-10 which is much safer and they added increased their odds of success by taking college hitters.

  • In reply to berber31:

    You have to understand that a number of his later picks haven't even had enough time to fully develop. Duane Underwood has a shot to have a nice long career as a reliever and Dylan Cease's floor seems to be as a high leverage reliever if not an impact starter. To me Theo has to be credited for Cease even though he was traded we wouldn't have acquired Q without him and criticize Q if you want but he has a long ways to go. I'd probably take that Eloy for Q deal back if I could personally but that doesn't mean that I don't value Q and expect him to be successful moving forward.

  • In reply to berber31:

    In addition you really need to analyze what other teams are getting out of their drafts before you criticize the cubs once again this isn't the NFL or NBA the odds are stacked against players drafted in the top 10 even its almost as if you didn't read my post. Even put trades and signings aside we've been one of the 3 best drafting teams in the majors if not number one overall. We have 5 players in our starting lineup that we drafted and developed how have we not been productive in this area. Respectively when you analyze our drafts versus the rest of the leagues your perspective is just simply incorrect that's a mathematical fact not an opinion based on the number of draft major contributors that we've drafted versus other teams.

  • In reply to berber31:

    Additionally it's easy to say in retrospect that they took safer college hitters but a ton of "experts" on these websites and educated fans wanted us to take "higher upside" high school hitters/pitchers such as Nick gordon/Max Fried or college pitchers such as Mark Appel/Jon Gray and it was actually Theo that started the trend of taking the best college hitters because he foresaw that they were the highest probability impact players. Many teams have followed this trend and now you typically see the best college hitters off the board really fast. You're not giving Epstein enough credit for this trend that he identified it's easy to say what you're saying now but the fact is we would've looked at those drafts way less favorably if anyone else was running this team.

  • In reply to berber31:

    A top 10 pick is a lot more likely to not bust or underwhelm then be an impact player in baseball buddy you need to check your facts when you state that top 10 picks are safe the nature of a baseball draft is totally different than other sports.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    My mistake meant "more likely to bust or underwhelm" then be an impact player

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    Personally I think that TLS has a better than 55 hit tool. So maybe Hoerner trails TLS there but agree about the defense.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    I get what you're saying Joel but I personally don't give too much credence to players skill ratings on draft day after reviewing some of the skill ratings on previously drafted players such as Ian Happ and Almora. For example Fangraphs rated Happ's gamepower as a horrendous 40 with a 50 projected upside in the future during the 2016 season and I think we can all agree that his power number should be much significantly more favorable then that. Almora's hit tool was rated a 45 with a 50 projected upside which seems ridiculous now. I just take individual skill ratings with a grain of salt on draft day and for me the cubs are one of the best organizations if not the best in baseball at developing hitters so I'd like to see our coaches get a chance to work with him before I assign a rating to his hit tool. By all accounts from what I've read too this kid seems to have one of the best hit tools in this draft class and I definitely expect him to hit for a high average if he's going to be successful with his limited power.

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    I take all the ratings with a big grain of salt. But I think TLS is a better "hitter" than Nico will likely be. Nothing against Nico, I just think TLS is an extremely good hitter. If he is an average fielder he would be a tremendous asset to the team. But, alas, we can't have everything. And I think Nico brings more to the table than TLS does.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    In this case I hope you're wrong but you may definitely be right la Stella carried a high average going back to his minors days but remember that his high avg with the Cubs is somewhat skewed by being used situationally and in matchups that favor him in general he wasn't quite as good when he was an everyday player with the braves. I agree that it's maybe overly optimistic to EXPECT that nikos going to hit for a similar avg as that's a pretty high standard but I don't think that it's unreasonable given that he seems to have a reputation for having a really nice hit tool. I should've probably given la Stella a little more credit for how good of a hit tool that he has though. I'd say my hope is that Niko can be a .280/.350 Obp guy with 10+ home runs once he hits his prime with 20+ SB potential and a good versatile defensive player and base runner. I know ideally you like a little more pop in the bat but don't underestimate the value of having a fast multi dimensional player that brings a defensive/base running element this guy has leadoff hitter written all over him with that 60 grade speed. Just ask the cardinals how much they wish more of their players were more well rounded with regard to defense and base running

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    I don't see that LaStella is being used in match ups that tend to favor him. He is usually used when needed most, in late innings, most often against one of the opposition's better relievers that are used in the 7th, 8th and 9th innings.

  • In reply to DaveP:

    He is a valuable pinch hitter with his ability to hit hard throwing RHPs but at the same time he rarely gets matched up against lefties at all and I think in general coming off the bench seems to boost players numbers. La Stella was only a .260 hitter the last time he started for the braves and my main point is just that we need to take la Stella's average with a grain of salt due to how he's used. I acknowledge I'm making it seem like reaching la stellas level as a pure hitter easier than it is and that's not meant to put la Stella down but I do think this kid has the potential to be every bit as good of a contact hitter as la Stella is would be the main point regardless of how anyone grades his contact ability currently

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    In reply to DaveP:

    kkhiavi, Most MLB players say that TLS job is one of the hardest in the league. He is coming into the game cold. More often than usual in high leverage situations. I have seen games where TLS is in the on-deck circle and the guy in front of him get out and Maddon switches to a different PH because he doesn't want to "burn" TLS in a non-critical situation. He is a "single shot" player. Maddon can only use him 1x and wants to make sure that it is when it counts. As a PH he comes into the game "cold." He hasn't gotten multiple PAs to learn the umpires strike zone that day. Other players can describe it to him but it isn't the same as being there. As DaveP points out, he usually bats late in the game and against one of the opposing team's top relievers. The fact is that most of these relievers are RH due mostly to demographics (most humans are RH). So I wouldn't say that he is put into match-ups that favor him as much as he is put into situations where he can help the team. Consider that over 30% of his PAs are "high leverage" on BR. Opposing teams are unlikely to leave in a pitcher to benefit TLS. Usually they want their best guy if possible out there. TLS has to face him. He puts up a quality PA more often than most players on the team and seemingly a higher percentage of the time.

    TLS certainly has flaws. He doesn't have much extra base power and most of that is 2B power. He is not good defensively. He lacks some versatility on defense (though he seems to play all of the equally badly). But the one thing he does REALLY well is just plain hit the ball.

    As for his last full time starting gig it was 4 seasons ago and he was 25. Not terribly young but certainly not likely in his prime.

  • In reply to kkhiavi:

    Sorry if I wasn't clear Joel that's what happens when I reply on my phone and not my computer lol but I wasn't necessarily saying that La stella is facing easy pitchers but I'm moreso saying that his average wouldn't be as high (he woudldn't be looked at as a .300+ hitter) if he were an every day starter. Don't get me wrong I love La stella and think he's an elite pinch hitter with his ability to hit hard throwing righties but to me he wouldn't hit .330 like he is now if he played every day and faced lefties regularly and besides that he had durability issues with Atlanta when he was their every day starter. I remember vividly he was hitting in the .290 range the 1st half of his final season starting with the braves before tailing off in part due to fatigue in the 2nd half of the year. When you evaluate our bench players under Joe maddon during his tenure it seems like our bench players always seem to have very favorable numbers because not only does joe maddon know how to utilize them but he's good about finding AB's for everyone. Look at Matt Szczur he was hitting well over .300 for a very large portion of the 2016 season before he tailed at the end of the season and we know that he's not as good as his numbers indicated at times throughout that year. My point isn't to bash La stella as a hitter he's a darn good one it's just to say that his average may not look as favorable if he were a 1st division every day starter as it does in his current role as a bench player. Now don't get me wrong he handles that role sensationally and I don't believe that every player can be a pinch hitter but I'm just saying he's no .330 hitter if he played every day let's remember he batted .251 with a .328 obp in his last year as a starter with atlanta. Now I certainly think he's better than a .250 hitter I think he got somewhat fatigued in the 2nd half that season but I just don't see him as a .300 hitter as an everyday guy either way. And while Niko may have a long ways to go to reach La stella's prowess as a contact hitter I do think he at least has the potential to get there was the only point I was making. Everything I've read about him indicates that his hit tool is arguably his main strength other than speed and I think it's a very reasonable projection to think he can hit .280+ in his prime albeit with somewhat limited power. I think that's a reasonable expectation and I don't think Theo and Co. would've taken him if they thought his ceiling was a .260-270 hitter with limited power. Remember too that a 55 hit tool is higher than some evaluators pegged Almora at too so don't look at that as a ceiling because we just don't know what this guys ceiling is regarding his average but Theo and co. certainly seem to have confidence in his ability to hit despite his limited power potential.

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    In reply to kkhiavi:

    To me his BA is high largely because he has a really high BABIP. Yes, he is facing a lot of RHP (I think less than 10 PAs against lefties). But are the lefty starters he would face be that much tougher for him to hit than a reliever airing it out for 15 pitches at 98+ mph? And he is not a bad hitter on off-speed stuff either.

    To me he is not a starter because he is too much of a defensive liability and doesn't provide much power. Not because he would have to face a left handed starter every 5-10 days.

    FWIW he has "struggled" against LHP (if you want to consider 9 PAs) in 2018. In 2016 and 2017 he did much better though still with really small sample sizes. But I would say he likely does just fine against LHP.

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    In reply to Swarf:

    Oregon State is not better than Tennessee lol. College baseball is similar to A ball.

  • In reply to Swarf:

    I disagree w/your view on Hoerner. I think he’s the type of hitter at #24 that they were looking for. He’s a sort of a poor man’s Javy in the field & on base paths. I watched a video of him jumping high for a hopper & in one motion before hitting the ground he gloved, transferred & threw to 1st nailing the out. He puts the bat on the ball but doesn’t quite yet possess the power.

  • In reply to Swarf:

    Stop with this David Bote at best crap. It is bush league at its very best. Nico played at a major D1 program, Bote a community college. Nico May have been a bit of a reach in the first round but Bote was an 18th round pick. We are talking totally different levels of prospects here and you either know enough to know the difference and are just trying to start crap. Or you have no earthly clue and shouldn’t say anything.

    But to compare Nico to Bote as draft eligible prospects is silly, to say Nico’s upside is Bote, at best it outrageously wrong.

  • I hope they go pitcher next. Maybe Kyle Bradish if he makes it to their pick

  • Cubs like these Cape Cod league performers. Maybe that’s a hint as to their next pick will be. Maybe Matt Mercer if not Bradish or Zach Hess.

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    They seem to be going for speedy toolsy, quick bats and good eyes, not many SO and more BB. I like these picks and reading more about them today I feel better about yesterday.

  • Bradish off the board, darn

  • Cubs are up 4th rd...

  • Ethan Roberts

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    RHer Tennessee Tech

  • R4 Ethan Roberts RHP

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    Not sure why we would take a relief pitcher here, unless he is just lights-out at the collegiate level.

    I would prefer starting pitchers, who if they fail in the rotation, could move to the bullpen instead.

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    96 Ks in 71 IPs this year to 20 BBs sounds filthy...

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    Maybe they can turn him into a starter...

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Considering what teams are paying for closers, that's a possibility, too.

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    Relying on college pitchers at the spot the cubs are picking doesn't seem to be getting us any high upside pitchers who might turn out as front or middle of rotation, maybe we should start taking some high school pitchers who slide to the lower half of the first round and take some fillers who take less money in the middle rounds, I'd much prefer a Hankins or Rodriquez in the first couple slots than maybe a middle infielder or college bat we won't see for three years, or maybe Theo don't take HS pitchers because of the possibilities we don't have much luck in developing them..

  • In reply to tater:

    I like the looks of Austin Becker... 6’6”, 185, 18 yrs old already throws 93-96. Arm side movement. 11-5 curve & ok change both w/sink both need refinement. Room to grow & add velocity yet. Maybe if he’s not gone.

  • In reply to tater:

    It used to be rare to find a HS pitcher who threw in the mid-90s, but now they are everywhere. The issue is development of control before they need TJS. I think Theo has learned that college level pitchers are a safer bet.

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Hessout of LSU threw 91-95 as a starter. Out of the pen he’s hit upper 90s. Mercer out of Oregon also throws in the 90s so there’s 2 college pitchers still there that throw hard.

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    Herron strikes me as a classic "Draft-and-follow" guy. Maybe a little of a long shot but worth a try.

  • Cubs up again... 5th rd.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Andy Weber 2b

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Out of Virginia

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    In reply to Milk Stout:

    7 picks in the top 160. They've taken No. 52 and No. 145 and a bunch of guys not ranked at or above the draft position. Really hope they know what they're doing.

  • In reply to Dave Sampsell:

    I know. I’ve scratched my head a little too. But I do like the Hoerner pick & the TN Tech pitcher. I’m eh ok w/the other college pitcher... Time will tell our the HSers, thus far. Draft is still going. Wait & see what happens.

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    Really hope they know more than the proverbial baseball world. 5 picks in the top 100 and draft one guy rated in the top 100. Most of the guys they've taken are not in the top 200.

  • I thought they were saving $$$ to take a De Sedas or Cecconi. Pretty underwhelmed at this point.

  • In reply to berber31:

    They still could be. Remember, the 1st 10 rounds they risk losing that pool money allotted the position if they don’t sign the pick. So after the 10th is where the riskier signings are picked. If I read the rules right.

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    In reply to Milk Stout:

    I am not a big fan of speedy-toolsy HS outfielders. I am still luke warm on DJ Wilson, never much cared for Hannemann.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    I agree. Look how long it took Albert Almora to develop & season to get to the majors, let alone be the player he is now. Unless they flat out rake combined w/power & defense, I am not a big fan either. They must really believe in these guys & that they will develop by the time Schwarber, Heyward etc., contracts are up.

    Also it Remains to be seen how much of the slot value that they are going to pay them. Maybe going after a bigger name later w/their money saved... Kumar Rocker, Cole Wilcox, Austin Becker or dare I say Luke Heimlich....

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    In reply to Milk Stout:

    My dislike of them is mostly just personal preference. To me Almora wasn't the kind of OF I am talking about. He had a good hit tool all along. He had to learn to be selectively aggressive and not just swing at a pitch because he could make contact, even if it was weak contact (recall the ESPN article a couple weeks ago about Kris Bryant's K%).

    But I am not going to claim that this dislike is based on any particular research or in-depth understanding of baseball. I just prefer baseball rats who can do a million things to help the team. And a guy whose defensive prowess is mainly based on his speed I tend not to like. What happens when his speed fades? Give me a hit tool with either power or defense at a premium position and I will be satisfied. I don't pay much attention to arm strength and mostly ignore speed. It is a nice asset to have and certainly can help, but it can't make up for other problems. Let me put it this way, given the choice between a guy with speed and a guy who simply gets on base, even if he is a station to station baserunner and I take the guy who doesn't make outs.

  • 6th round just started. Let’s see what’s next. I think they’ve been over slotting these guys to make some plays later, but it’s still a little bit weird seeing some college arms still there or going to teams after them...

  • seems cubs are starting to zig when everyone else has finally zagged

  • Cubs up in 6th round...

  • They pick kohl franklin, HS pitcher

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    6’4” RHer, 190Lbs, Broken Arrow, OK. I knownothi g else. Ha ha!

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    We drafted a guy with a Broken Arrow? Dang Jed! Theo?

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    but it does say his Broken Arrow is OK

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    Ha ha... Broken Arrow HS, Oklahoma, not sur if it’s in Tulsa where he’s from or in the town of Broken Arrow.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Yeah, just trying to make light of something since the draft experts on here seem to think our FO isn't a good one. LOL

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    Careful when you swigging the kool-aid, you are making a mess! Take a look at every other team's draft and see if they have anywhere near as many picks that are on no scouting reports anywhere.

    Appears you'd rather blindly worship Theo than engage in any critical thought of your own. For future dealings with your idolatry, do the Cubs ever do anything wrong? Or is it only Theo who is above all criticism?

  • In reply to springs:

    I hope this turns out wrong and all these players are great (though, again, they still were drafted higher than necessary). But my hopes that the Cubs are great doesn't prevent me from actually looking at things objectively. I understand if your fandom does prevent you from objective thought, but really no need to mock those who don't assume everything done by the Cubs is right.

  • In reply to springs:

    Springs, no offense, but basing your opinion on lists of other people's informed opinions does not mean you are being "objective". None of us know what we have here. It's disappointing to see you attack someone for their opinion when all you have is your own (backed up by "lists") to back you up.

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    In reply to springs:

    I agree with Pura Vida. I haven't read anyone saying, "OMG! Theo is a God. He drafted Zach Mort. That must mean he will be a HOF before he gets to age 25."

    In your "objective," "critical thinking" what kind of scouting report can you give me on these guys that isn't available to all of us on public websites? I admit I have limited information on them personally so I would appreciate whatever insights you can provide.

    Saying that we need to wait and see in a couple of years how this draft has turned out isn't "idolatry." Nor is it "blind worship" of Theo.

    As for "no scouting reports anywhere" I am guessing that the Cubs HAVE scouting reports on these guys. Just because you looked on BA, MLB, ESPNInsider, etc. and they didn't profile them doesn't mean that the Cubs are throwing darts at a dartboard to make their picks.

    I am certain that not all these guys will be MLB players. But it is not always easy to tell at this stage which ones those will be. We have some outstanding talent evaluators on hereI haven't seen any of them writing this draft off as a bust because the team is drafting guys not profiled by major websites.

    Please have some respect and not call other people "idolaters" and "Theo Worshipers" simply because they express a belief that you disagree with. As far as "drinking the kool-aid" remember many commenters on here were accused of that during the rebuild. And that has turned out pretty well so far.

  • In reply to springs:

    Wow. Did I say anywhere that I thought these were all great picks? No, but I have been around the baseball draft for a long time and those slinging donkey dung are often just as wrong as those swigging Kool aid. But you feel free to keep on slinging there cowboy.

    Since you asked, Theo hasn't done much wrong since coming here but hey, you probably don't have a clue what it was like before he got here. 100% turn around. Thanks for asking.

  • In reply to KJRyno:

    Amen to that brother. Our Cubbies were a laughing stock for many years until new ownership brought Theo & Co. aboard. I thought the Schwarber pick was a bust and I was wrong. In Boston, Anthony Rizzo was a mid round pick.
    Its a crapshoot, many players including Ryne Sandburg, Mark Grace, John Smoltz were late round gems .
    And thanks to the Ricketts family for a great upgrade to this organization.

  • In reply to springs:

    Springs, I don't think most people are swigging the kool-aid. It's not blind worship of Theo & Co. to suggest they know much more than writers for BA or MLB. You say the Cubs could have drafted these players much later than they did because of their rankings? I think that is completely wrong. If you like a player, he fits what you are looking for and fits into that years draft strategy, you take him. All it takes is 1 team before your next pick to ignore the rankings and take him, & now you've lost a guy you wanted. How many teams regret not taking Mike Trout in 2009? He wasn't ranked in MLB's top 50, so did the Angles screw up when they took him much higher than his ranking?

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Springs is out celebrating because we just got the 136 ranked player with the 218th pick. Whodathunk it. Things like that happening in the draft? Crazy. ; )

  • In reply to Cubpack:

    Well put and let me reiterate once again Springs that the writers that project MLB mock drafts in general are far less accurate than the writers to project NFL and NBA mocks especially once you get into the 2nd-3rd rounds and move outside the top 15 picks. I personally agree with you that I prefer guys that not only Theo likes but guys that the consensus writers like but I'm not going to bash a Theo pick if he disagrees with those writers I don't think it takes an intelligent person to conclude that Theo deserves more credibility then Jim callis or the BA writers especially if it's regarding a positional player.

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    In reply to Cubpack:

    Amen. A lot of time is spent by teams planning when to take players. Rankings by public websites are not meant to be predictions of when guys will be drafted.

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    In reply to Milk Stout:

    I am waiting for BarleyPop to see if he posts the lyrics to Rod Stewart's "Broken Arrow."

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    Oklahoma commit. Also plays SS. Was highly recruited. Honorable mention HS All-American. Fastball tops out right now at 92-93.

  • In reply to Dave Sampsell:

    Yeah, I read he plays short too, but draft tracker lists him as a RHP. I just went w/that.

  • I don't care where a player is ranked its
    his ability and makeup that matter the most

  • I don't care where a player is ranked its
    his ability and makeup that matter the most

  • 3 guys I like still on the board, besides the obvious ones at the top, are Zack Hess, Bryce Montes de Oca & Austin Becker. I really like MdO, then Hess then Becker in that order, but would be happy w/either one if not all... Can you tell I want more pitching...?

  • Cubs are up. 7th round...

  • They pick DJ Artis, CF Liberty

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    5’9”, 165 Lbs... L/L A leettle guy

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Based on the couple of things I've read on him, if he pans out, he would be a fantastic 4th or 5th OFer type... pinch hit, pinch run, play d in larger outfields, etc. and then lead off from time to time. Gives the team a different set of tools from some of our current big boppers.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Agreed. He’s a plus runner as well. How about Eugene Emeralds w/him & Hoerner setting the table at the top of the order.... The new daily double

  • Do we have room for 2CFers named DJ?

  • He’s A possible Juan Pierre. Top of the order, won’t K too much, draw walks & hit line drives. Top of the order, but a below avg arm.

  • Pitching... I want more pitching... in my Christopher Walken voice.

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Mets took my guy::: Montes de Oca. Bummer.

  • Cubs up 8th round...

  • They pick Zach Mort RHS George Mason U

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    6’1”, 205 Lbs

  • 205 Ks to 48 walks in 227.1 innings... over college career. 108 Ks in 105 innings this year vs just 13 walks.

  • 9th rounder is Derek Casey

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    RHer out of Virginia

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    Righty out of Virginia

  • Michael thanks for the write ups of these picks. Gives us an idea of their upsides & stuff..

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    You're welcome. Won't go as in depth tomorrow for rounds 11-40 but will try to highlight any significant picks.

  • 10th round they pick Luke Reynolds 3b

  • In reply to Milk Stout:

    U of Southern Missippi 6’1” 215Lbs

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    In reply to Milk Stout:

    Granted it is ConfUSA so not sure about the level of competition and he is 23 years old. But a slash line of .400/.562/.727 with more BB than Ks this year!

    As I said before, though, take it with a grain of salt.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    I’m ok w/this pick at #10. After Vosler 3b May not be real deep.

  • For those criticizing this FO for not having late round talent develop, show me a team that wins WS that relies on late round talent consistently? If you get anything more than depth utility players or relievers past round 5 you get unicorns.

  • In reply to Gator:

    Fearfully, I have to say that it seems as though the Cardinals pull that feat off more than the rest. The names names David Freese and Albert Pujols come to mind. And there are many other starter/sub/role players that played their parts well in the postseason for them.

  • In reply to Gator:

    How about a second round pick?

    If we weren't a big market club with funds for free agents and international free agents our talent would be very average.

  • In reply to berber31:

    Picks from 2012 that have (or likely will make the majors):
    1st round--Almora (MLB Cubs)
    CA--Pierce Johnson (MLB Giants)
    2nd round--Duane Underwood (AAA Cubs... hasn't made the majors yet, but likely will this year at some point)
    18th round--David Bote (AAA Cubs, cup of coffee with Cubs this year)

    2013:
    1st round--Kris Bryant (MLB Cubs, MVP, Rookie of Year)
    2nd round--Rob Zastrynzy (AAA, cup of coffee in 2016, 2017, 2018)

    2014:
    1st round--Kyle Schwarber (World Series hero)
    3rd round--Mark Zagunis (AAA Cubs, cup of coffee 2018)
    6th round--Dylan Cease (minors with White Sox, considered a top prospect)

    2015:
    1st round--Ian Happ (MLB Cubs)

    2016: No one yet, but this is a pretty recent draft in baseball terms and Hatch (3rd round) and Mekkes (10th round) look like future contributors.

    This FO has absolutely crushed their first round picks. Destroyed them.

    Also, while they haven't found All-Stars or even lots of regular contributors in later rounds, it's not like they haven't hit at all. Some of those players will be depth player at the big league level sooner or later (Zagunis, Bote) or bullpen pieces (Zas, Underwood) and some were used as trade bait to help augment our current roster and would likely be helping our team soon if not traded (Cease, Johnson).

    I'd like to see more success (esp. in 2015 which looks like a legitimately weak draft overall), but people keep talking like they haven't found anything after the 1st round and that's just not true.

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    In reply to berber31:

    Getting significant MLB talent out of the 2nd round isn't as easy as you might think.

    Remember, each team gets around 30 draft picks every year. But there are only 25 spots on the roster. Several of those spots are taken by veterans who are around for 10+ years. That doesn't leave a lot of openings for other players to "break in" to the major leagues.

    "But a 2nd round pick isn't the same as a 30th round pick." That's true. But even 2nd rounders aren't a sure thing.

    Let's put this another way. Let's look at the 2012 2nd round since, presumably, other teams are "better"(?) at finding talent in the second round than Theo/Jed. I will only list those who have appeared in the major leagues and their career bWAR.
    Nolan Fontana (-0.2) Astros
    Bruce Maxwell (0.5) Athletics
    Matt Reynolds (-0.4) Mets
    J.T. Chargois (0.0) Twins
    Chris Beck (-1.1) White Sox
    Dylan Cozens (0.0) Phillies
    Tony Renda (-0.4) Nationals
    Chris DeJong (-0.2) Blue Jays
    Paco Rodriguez (2.1) Dodgers
    Alex Wood (10.5) Braves
    Carson Kelly (-0.8) Cardinals
    Jamie Callahan (0.0) Red Sox
    Jake Thomson (0.1) Tigers
    Nick Williams (-0.1) Rangers
    Peter O'Brien (-0.5) Yankees

    That is 15 players out of 35 picks. I didn't dig any deeper to find out but my guess is that several more are climbing through the minor leagues. But if you think other teams did a much better job of drafting in 2012 2nd round the only one who has had a significant positive impact has been Alex Wood. While bWAR is not the end all/be all of measuring a players talent most good players will have a POSITIVE rather than negative bWAR. And the sample sizes for almost all of them are small so most are just starting their careers. Only Maxwell, Reynolds, Rodriguez, Wood and Williams have accumulated 100 games in their careers. So, to me the Cubs not having any talent to show for their 2012 2nd round is not out of the ordinary for other teams in the league getting to choose from the same players.

    The third round isn't much better with only 3 guys (Diaz, Koch and Toles accumulating a total of 1WAR in their careers). So not getting significant talent from the 2nd round on from a draft that took place 6 years ago is not really unusual. Especially since the player they chose has reached the top rung of the minors and may make his MLB debut this year or next year depending on performance and injuries.

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    In reply to berber31:

    The filter ate my work

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    gotcha

  • In reply to Gator:

    Bryant, Russell, Baez, Almora, Rizzo, Heyward, Lester, Montgomery, Morrow, Schwarber are all 1st rounders

    Chatwood is a 2nd
    Mazzoni is a 2nd
    Duensing is a 3rd
    Zobrist is a 4th
    Wilson is a 5th
    Cishek is a 5th
    Luke Farrell is a 6th
    La Stella is an 8th
    Hendricks is an 8th (unicorn)
    Gimenez is a 34th
    CJ Edwards 48th (near unicorn)

    Contreras, Strop, Quintana, Darvish are all international FAs

    I think you will find in this era of baseball with all the advanced scouting & metrics available the talent tends to rise to the top of the draft. That might not have been the case 10 years ago. Picks 10-20 the way the draft rule changes might be your value areas anymore once you get outside the slotting. (Rucker, Swarmer & Clifton types) So at the end of the draft picks 20-50 you are looking for guys who might fill a role with the hopes you find some impact like with Edwards. But it will be rare. You get a college seniors org depth guys typically or you draft HS player as a sign they are on your radar but have tons of development to do.

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    In reply to Gator:

    I think that the draft is now 30 rounds rather than 50. When baseball realized that teams were picking the roommate of the scout's nephew as a favor they decided to spare themselves hours of time on a conference call.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    I believe the draft is 40 rounds now.

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    Tommy LaStella was an 8th round pick and had a hit rating of 55. Hoerner has a similar rating.
    What's more important is that we've hit on our #1 picks. The only other local team that has done as well is the Chicago Bears. Look at their run of #1 picks.
    1979--Dan Hampton
    1979--Al Harris
    1980--Otis Wilson
    1981--Keith Van Horne
    1982--Jim McMahon
    1983--Jim Covert
    1983--Willie Gault
    1984--Wilber Marshall
    1985--William Perry
    1986--Neal Anderson
    1987--Jim Harbaugh
    That is an impressive list.

  • In reply to Jonathan Friedman:

    Jim Harbaugh?

  • There is a lot of similarity to college football. Always guys saying that ol so and so was a 2 star and made the pros while ol so and so #2 flamed out. Sure it happens. The fact remains you are going to get a lot more success if you select the better players. You want guys who have hit/throw/run ratings over 40 and so far the Cubs have drafted a bunch of under talented guys. Someone once said that the biggest and fastest don't always win but that's a good way to bet. Cubs need to quit drafting 25/50 spots below general rankings. When you have # 24 you should get somebody in the top 35 anyway; not 52.

  • In reply to veteran:

    general rankings are not very reliable. The Cubs scouting department is. I trust Theo/Jed/Jason drafting ability.

  • I don’t know guys, I would feel a whole lot better with this draft if there weren’t so many head scratchers/reaches. One or two I could understand but it seems like every pick is that way. I know they know what they’re doing but sometimes you get too smart for your own good. Previous drafts made some sense to me, even at the time they were happening, but this one I don’t know. Epstein is either the smartest baseball guy ever or this draft promises to be a major setback. I also wish we were seeing a few more lefty pitchers but I’ll see what they do today.

  • In reply to PhillyCubFan:

    Now this is a fair criticism don't get me wrong I'd prefer some guys with a little more consensus but remember baseball mock drafts and rankings flat out aren't very accurate but I do agree that my issue with this draft is that almost every player can be considered a reach I don't think that's an unfair criticism but I will say that I think Theo has at least earned our confidence whether this is a good draft or not.

  • Great job with this Michael! Thank you for all the work you've been putting into Cubs Den. Best draft recap I've seen!

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    It would be interesting to see who the Cubs local scouts were where these picks were taken and then see their record on scouting future MLBers. Theo does listen to his scouts and Hoyer, Bush and other front office people. Tho he does have final choice.

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    In reply to Nick Johnson:

    If you are asking for information about which scouts chose/recommended which players and then see which ones do the best job of finding future MLB talent I am confident that is being done by the FO. But I agree it would be a great read if someone could get the info out of a team. But my guess is that teams don't want the public to know that information. At least not conveniently.

  • So the cubs strategy this year was to draft players who had slipped in value due to injuries? Now a bad idea. High risk, but they only have to hit on one or two. Is that what everyone is seeing or am I on drugs?

  • In reply to Oneear:

    Definitely a trend. More guys like that on Day 3 as well.

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