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Sunday morning musings on Starlin Castro

Sunday morning musings on Starlin Castro

Starlin Castro is and has always been something of a polarizing figure in this town and this offseason has been difficult for him to say the least, but hopefully it won't be a fruitless one.   I don't imagine many of us know what it is like to be a gifted baseball player or a 20-something year old who goes from having nothing to being a multi-millionaire almost overnight.  I shudder to think what I would have done had I been given millions in my early 20s.  Many of us are also unfamiliar with the cultures of other countries and how that may impact what we do and how it might be perceived.

And I certainly don't imagine what it's like to be all of that and have all of your mistakes be laid out in public.  But that is the life of Starlin Castro right now.

The latest incident is going to draw a mixed reaction, some will completely absolve him of any responsibility, others will empathize, though not necessarily happy with his choices.  Still others will be angry, make off-the-cuff judgments, and jump to conclusions about the kind of person Starlin Castro is.

It is certainly reasonable to say he should make different choices, but that is not just on Castro. Having made some connections over the years, I know there is a lot going on behind the scenes of many ballplayers that are not made public.  I have promised to keep such things off the record, but I will say this: Castro is not alone when it comes to the trappings of being young and wealthy.  Not alone in baseball.  Not even alone on his own team.  It is not restricted to players from any particular country or ethnic background.

One player we all know and even loved as Cubs fans, Mark Grace, also enjoyed a rich after-hours lifestyle.  His behavior at its core, wasn't really any different than that of Castro today.  They are different people from different cultures, so the way they enjoyed that lifestyle may have varied on the surface, but we are essentially talking about the same thing.  We can say, for example, that Castro has some youthful arrogance, but if you say he does and Mark Grace didn't, then you are kidding yourself.

Now I can hear the skeptics, "Well Mark Grace didn't carry guns and start shooting people".  Well, neither did Castro.  What Castro may have done was bring armed bodyguards which, if true, could well be the prudent thing to do in his environment.  We can argue whether he should put himself in that environment in the first place, but then we can say that about Grace or any of the many unnamed players who enjoy (or enjoyed) similar lifestyles.

And if you don't think Grace wielded a dangerous weapon, then what would you call a two ton piece of metal moving at high speeds with it's operator too impaired to control it safely?

I am not trying to bury Grace or absolve Castro in any way.  This is just a reality check.  Just like all of us, baseball players, especially young ones, do dumb things or get stuck in bad situations that are at least partially of their own doing.  It doesn't make them criminals or thugs.  We can make judgments on their behavior or decision-making, we can call them immature, entitled, or arrogant, but if we do, we should do it with the understanding that none of this is limited to one ballplayer.

Just as importantly, we shouldn't rush to judgment about what happened until we have all the information.  Confirming what I heard through my own sources, Bruce Levine tweeted that Castro has been absolved of any wrongdoing.

And perhaps something good can come out of this experience.  Castro issued a statement (h/t @crewsett for the translation) which seems to understand that, while he himself was not involved, the realities of being a public figure can result in unwanted, and sometimes unwarranted, perception.  It is not something he can control and perhaps the only way for him to do so is to avoid those environments and situations from the start.  That is going to take some considerable sacrifice from Castro, as almost any person his age would do exactly what Castro is doing, which is enjoying his youth.

But Castro is learning that he isn't just any person, especially in his homeland,  In baseball terms, we always talk here about how you can only control your own actions/performance, but that you have little to no control over the environment around you.   That is applicable to Castro outside the lines as well.  He cannot stop what happens in nightclubs, especially as it gets late, no matter how many bodyguards he brings.  He cannot control the way the situation is handled or how it is perceived by the media and fans.  He can only control one thing -- his own actions, and if that means making some changes to his youthful lifestyle, then that is something he may have to do for himself and for the sake of his career, his team, and his family.  I am not saying this is necessarily fair, just a reality that Castro has to deal with right now.

 

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  • I will only respond by saying compare Castro and his judgment to Mr. Anthony Rizzo. It is not an age or wealth issue... it is a matter of maturity. And for those claiming there are deep cultural reasons for these problems I will just state that there are many Hispanic individuals I have employed over the years and none have displayed Stalin's lack of judgment.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    I can tell you a lot of players exercise the same type of judgment. Castro's happen to be public knowledge because of an incident that happened that did not even involve him. You are singling him out because you happen to know because it was made public.

    But when it comes to the individual, isolated behavoir of going to clubs, staying out late, etc. it happens all the time, you just dont hear about it because it is either not made public or no periphery incident occurs to bring it to light.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    My mom always said nothing good happens after midnight. Clubs have never been good spots for professional athletes. Trade value is dropping for Castro.

  • In reply to Roe Skidmore:

    Agreed on the clubs and the midnight thing but like I said, if you think it is just Castro doing this, then I really don't know what to say. That doesn't make it right but players, especially young ones, do the same things as Castro does all the time. Go out late, enjoy music, have fun, maybe even have a few drinks.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    No one is blamming him for enjoying himself. Everyone does it. People are blamming him for his entourage shooting up a night club and 6 people getting injured. Not all baseball players do that. Not all people do that. That is not normal. That is not fun. That is not legal. We are NIR talking about drinks and music. We are talking about him and his entourage shooting up a night club.

  • In reply to tonycubs:

    Where have you read or heard Castro was shooting up a night club? Entourage maybe but Castro?

  • In reply to tonycubs:

    What part of Castro not being involved is unclear to you?

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Agreed..... Many people, athletes or non athletes, lead a life that is very similar indeed. Many of us would never know what is going on if the incidents had not become public. It is especially news worthy because of the fact that a famous person is involved such as Starlin.. Especially in the DR where Starlin goes and what he does is news for the country no matter what he does.

    I have seen many jump on the "Trade Castro Bandwagon" because of the media misconception and tendancy to be out front of events without verifying the truthfulness or the facts. One has to wonder what would have happened if it had happened to a player like Barney or Grace or even a vet like Valbuena and what the reaction would be

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    No John, I am "singling him out"- as you say- because it is his name in the media for the second shooting within a month.

    And if there is no periphery incident that brings these to our attention then what are we to make of the times Castro has been involved in things we do not know about? Sorry but I never really trusted him much after the sexual assault allegation- it was not that it did not happen it was just that it could not be proven.

    But as someone who has ran into Bobby Dernier and Keith Moreland partying on Saturday night before a Cardinal game at Lacledes Landing in the 1980s and seen Dennis Eckersley spending time with some punked out chick at one of the bars I have seen enough to know what goes on.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    "Sorry but I never really trusted him much after the sexual assault allegation- it was not that it did not happen it was just that it could not be proven."

    Is there any chance you can provide evidence that the second part of this sentence is true?
    Or does it just fit the narrative you want?

  • In reply to djriz:

    Was the woman involved cited for making up the story? Was physical evidence ever submitted to disprove the allegations?

    Do you have any evidence to disprove that the second part of what I said is not true?

    We can do this all day, so just move along. When Castro becomes involved in his next incident to distract Cub fans from what Is truly important to the team, I will be sure to remind you and others of what happens when you ignore this type of behavior.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    What behavior? Going to a nightclub and staying out late at age 24? If that is the case then there is an epidemic of bad behavior in baseball.

    You speak of evidence, but there is no evidence that Castro did anything wrong. The evidence available, in fact, speaks to the contrary.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Not all clubs are created equal. My strong suspicion is that Castro's choice of clubs is not the best. The odds against him, alone, being this unlucky are almost too great to calculate.

    Having said that, I think he needs love from the Cubs (perhaps touch love) instead of being abandoned and dropped. Even if you don't believe teams should value their players as human beings and protect them, he's too valuable to us to throw away because he's acting poorly just now.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Tough love is probably part of the answer for Castro, who has to grow up and make dumb mistakes in everyone.

    But I would imagine any nightclub or late night situation that involves alcohol and large groups of people is potentially ripe for an incident.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    "You are singling him out because you happen to know because it was made public."

    Absolutely we are. But it isn't necessarily an isolated behavior for an isolated player (though I'm sure it is possible for the Castro-haters). Most are offering statements about ANY PLAYER ON THE TEAM doing those types of things/making those types of situations. Not only do I not want Castro doing them, but I don't want any other Cub doing them. And I'm not sure I'd be wrong right now to not want Castro hanging around an already immature Baez, et al.

    Just because others are doing it, doesn't mean that Castro gets a pass. When I was a young cub in elementary school, my homeroom classroom had a banner hanging on the wall that I used to stare at when I lost focus. It read: What is popular is not always right, what is right is not always popular.

    John, I don't care who all is doing it. It doesn't make it right. And I don't want any of them out doing it if they play for the Cubs. Part of being a professional athlete is making personal sacrifices. Many of these guys have no problem making that sacrifice when it comes to being away from their wives/baby mommas and/or children. Well IMO, they can give up the clubs too.

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    I am not saying it excuses him, I am saying it causes fans to put undue attention on one player. It makes Castro a convenient scapegoat for something (going out to clubs/bars) that many players do

  • In reply to Paulson:

    Long time reader, first post..BTW John, you do a fantastic job on this site with your insight on the Cubs..bravo!! Anyways, living in Lincoln Park (recently moved), I've seen Mr. Rizzo more then once in the bars after a Cubs night game. I've even had the chance to talk to him, very nice young man..and every time I've seen him, he was always in control, just enjoying a night out. We have to remember that they are ALL young men, and they are going to do what young men do!

  • In reply to jayz23:

    Thank you for the kind words and also for your first post.

    I have to say if I was 24, wealthy, famous...I'd probably want to go out too, especially to nightclubs, bars, etc. Most of us would, I imagine. I think over time we grow up, priorities change, etc. It is all learned through experience and all of our experiences are different. I don't imagine that anything Castro has done this offseason has been any different than the ones he has had for the past 5 offseasons. The difference is that incidents have occurred that have brought those things to light. Up until this offseason, Castro was like any young ballplayer enjoying his youth, wealth, fame without the general public really noticing.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    if you're faced with a life threatening disease most people mature very fast not saying Rizzo wouldn't be the person he is without cancer he encountered or castro would be "apparently" more mature if he faced the same issues as a ball player but casting aspersions without knowing the individuals personally may be a bit out of line. Opinions are fine on playing ability but character issues may be out of line.

  • In reply to stix:

    You are 100% wrong. Character issues are certainly open for debate and I am entitled to question ANY person for this whether you approve of it or not. I have no power to indict him or trade him but I can say what I please about not trusting the man.

    For you or anyone else that believes I am "out of line" for casting aspersions without knowing him personally... how the hell can you ever vote for any candidate or have an opinion on their performance or character without knowing the individual personally?

    It is about time the apologists got over themselves and realize how serious a matter this Castro situation is becoming. And if you don't think Theo & the Cubs are concerned about the man's character you are living in dreamland.

  • Either

    1. Interesting Freudian slip, or

    2. variation on Godwin's law.

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    Great article John! It really is unfair how so many people are so quick to judge others. Even if Starlin has done something wrong people need to remember the old proverb; People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Also, it is far too early to know what really happened. Hopefully we will know soon and hopefully we will find out that Starlin wasn't involved in any wrongdoing.

  • In reply to Kevin Knobloch:

    Thank you. He has been cleared, by the way.

  • It is very easy for people to, and I'm sure people have, come to racist conclusions. This article does its best not to make the same mistake. Thank you.

  • In reply to Terry Styles:

    Why would you even bring race into this discussion? I haven't seen a single comment that mentioned Casto's race. Somebody always seems to be "sure" that somebody else has "come to racist conclusions."

  • In reply to Terry Styles:

    Thank goodness this article did not make the mistake you just made.

  • Ok, so Grace and many others have made similar mistakes. And we understand the reasons why he might be acting the way he does. But how does that mitigate what Castro is doing?
    If he continues to put himself in dangerous situations then he has to accept that there may be dangerous consequences. There are so many ways to have fun, enjoy his successes without the worry of some idiot with a shotgun. He has such a great future, why risk it?

  • In reply to xhooper:

    It doesn't. And the article comes to basically the same conclusion you do. It just implies that Castro isn't the only person in baseball who should consider making a similar lifestyle change. Want to make people aware that there are plenty of others doing the same thing before incurring all their wrath on Castro for doing things that many around baseball do.

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    In reply to xhooper:

    Being in his own homeland puts him in dangerous situations. But it's his home. He's not going to forsake family and friends for trade value.

    He has done nothing wrong. Things like that go on in the DR frequently. And it sounds very much like he is aware of that and trying to do he best he can to control his end of it.

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    John I agree that every 20-something everywhere in the world goes through these mistakes. I'm just troubled about the repetition. How many 20-something go through a rape charge AND are around for not one but TWO nightclub shooting incidents? Enough is enough.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    I don't disagree. He needs to change his lifestyle, imo. But youthful arrogance can make accepting this reality slower than we would like. Some, like Grace, never really learned it at all. Even though he wasn't directly involved -- and even if it is just a product of being at the wrong place at the wrong time, I hope that Castro realizes that he can't continue to do things the way he has.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    How many of those 20 somethings you are referring to are multi-millionaires in a very poor Caribbean country where they are perceivedas an easy "mark" for "crime"?

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    In reply to stix:

    That's veiled patronizing - you're calling him a hick who doesn't know how to stay away from trouble because he grew up poor. I'd like to give him credit to be able to learn to stay clear of red flags - if he'd let me.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    To me it sounded like he was highlighting that shootings are far more likely to happen in the DR than in the States, and more likely to happen around wealthy people, due to the extreme income disparity.

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    90% of us would be doing the same things as a 25 year old millionaire.

    The difference is that Castro's homeland is a little more rough than many communities that we come from. And nmany will say that he has to get out.

    But ask yourself: If your family lived in rough area and didn't want to leave, would you leave them?

    Castro may have millions now, but he is where he grew up. For many, it is "less-than-desireable".

    For Starlin, it is home.

  • In reply to Rich D’Anna:

    Indeed, it is easy for us to say he should pick up and leave when we are talking about someone else's home and family.

  • In reply to Rich D’Anna:

    First of all, great article John. You said what I was trying to say last night.

    Also, Rich I completely agree. The other element I was trying to point to last night is that this is Castro's world. His country. His people. It's got to be tough to come to the conclusion that he isn't able to do what "normal" people do. Maybe it's a lack of maturity. I'd argue that that is part of it, but not the whole story and that he is just doing what he's always done and been in the wrong place at the wrong time a couple times now. It ought to open up his eyes about the reality of his situation and that he isn't in the same situation as before. He's got to lay low.

  • I for one do think it is a good idea for Starlin to have bodyguards. In the world today, and probably to a higher degree in the DR and PR, anyone can be a target. My son has had several friends that play ball with him from both PR and the DR, most of these kids have nothing. In our world, the huge gap between those with and those without leads some to do drastic things. We can't keep Starlin from wanting to be home, to do the things that he probably always has, to go to the places he has been. Hence, he probably needs security.

    In the great scheme of life, yes it would be great if he just moved his whole family to the US, but at the same time I don't want anyone telling me where I have to live. He obviously has a love of his native country like we all should.

    Oh, and yes John, I drank till I needed two cabs in Murphy's one day when Grace was there just as long as I.

  • I just hope Castro doesn't become the next Cesar Cedeno, a very talented OF'er, considered the next Willie Mays just fofor an off the field incident to derail his career.

  • I don't know Castro, his family, his friends, or what it is like where he is from. Since I don't know, I can't judge. Some people say he should not go back to the DR anymore, including his own agent, but that is so much easier say someone should never go back home again then it is to actually live with that decision.

  • I wish I had personal knowledge of what it's like to be young, famous, athletic and unbelievably rich compared to my peers. That said, I'd hate to see Castro's career - or life - end suddenly because of a penchant for hanging out in dangerous places. Questions of image aside, it only takes one stray bullet to bring a promising career to an abrupt end. For that reason alone, I suspect the Cubs will be talking to Starln.

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    xhooper !! I agree with you . I grew up in Chicago , and was not to bright , but I knew where I could go and where to stay away from .. it's called " Common Sense " ...

  • this is such a non issue.

  • In reply to cubsker:

    Absolutely disagree. It may not be necessary for fans to debate until consensus is reached, but if I owned a baseball team that was depending on Castro to hold down a critical position for the next half-dozen years, you can be sure this is an issue.

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    I have no problem with Castro the person. But lets not just say since he's young it's understandable that he was caught in this bad situation. Didn't he just have the very same thing happen less than a month ago? I know he wasn't technically the guy that pulled the trigger. But this kid is just plain stupid. Opps, I jumped to a conclusion.

    What else explains his actions? I have made stupid choices over the course of my life. I'm human, we all have made choices we regret. But if I or my group was just involved in a nightclub shooting, you can bet your sweet ash I'd stay out of the clubs.

    Is anyone going to sit there and tell me that these two incidents were isolated events in these night clubs? I'm sure Starlin has seen lots of incidents that went really bad really fast and yet he continued to visit these establishments and then found himself in a bad situation.

    So he has seen the bad things that occur in these venues. Then he gets caught in a sticky situation less than a month ago and still visits the same type of places?

    Yep, he's a few cards shy of a full deck.

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    Players nightclubs and other establishments all the time, There is always potential for incident.

    But if you're young and go to one place and a shooting occurs, it doesn't mean you will just avoid going out in public to different, but similar places. If you go to a neighborhood bar and a fight breaks out with one of your friends, do you avoid that bar or stop going to bars altogether? Or do you view it as some weird isolated incident? If you're young, it seems to me you are more likely to think the latter.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Less than 30 days apart John. No one is saying to stay away for life.

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    But the other incident,.... is a very different case - other than both cases having happened in the DR.

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    In reply to drkazmd65:

    Yes, I understand. I was just linking the similarities of both incidents being in a nightclub. Again, I wasn't judging Castro, the person, as I really like the kid. But we can see his decision making process is just not good. That's all

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    Bravo John!

  • we have no idea what kind of places these are and what is normal in the DR. Calling him shy of a full deck makes me think you're shy of a full deck to draw that conclusion without really knowing the facts or what it's like to grow up somewhere in a certain environment and then be told not to go there anymore b/c you're rich now.

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    In reply to cubsker:

    Now who's judging?

  • I don't think this has been mentioned yet, but one problem with athletes is that in the off-season, they have virtually nothing to do. They can't stay home and play Uno every night with their younger siblings. And in many cultures, midnight is when they get out of the house. You can't take the boy out of his culture, and when he has nothing much else to do, he will be around other people.

  • Shouldn't there be some 'due process' here?
    Some tweets this morning are saying he wasn't even there. Some people are intimating that this is a shakedown. There were no arrests but people that don't know all the facts are blaming him for his actions. Not fair.

    I personally hope Starlin gets traded. It will set the Cubs back, but it'll best for him. He needs to get out of this city.

  • In reply to djriz:

    You think New York or Philadelphia would be a better place? Phils fans boo Santa: and I believe New York fans have a rougher reputation than Chicago fans?

  • In reply to djriz:

    I totally agree.

    He's entitled to enjoy his night life. New York has a ton of it and the Mets have some young pitching the Cubs could really use.

    Win / Win!

  • I said this somewhere else. Risk management is this. Risk management is both a rational and cognitive response to a set of circumstances that carries certain odds related to outcomes. Now this gets complex with emotional desires and values. When there is a pattern or consistency than the risk must be managed. The question is the varying cost of not managing risk.

    Case in point. When we were young and without children yes indeed there were times, more often than i want to admit I drove impaired from a gathering or outing. I was known as one of the best impaired drivers and the record shows I was very good at it.

    When we children and then business ventures arrived, it came to be understood that this emotional exercise needed to cease, the cost of the risk was too great. So we did not drink or party much and if we did we had friends over or we stayed over or we had the vacation homes. Still there was risk, like my wife cutting her finger simply taking a beer bottle out of the fridge and then breaking it slicing her tendon.

    Yesterday we had out 24 yr old son who doesn't drink drive the 80 miles home after spending a day with the family, partying. That is risk management.

    Unfortunately for Castro he needs to think through the risks. It appears there is something that warrants he have armed bodyguards and there was this deputy mayor making havoc with a shotgun and etc...but still he appears exposed to elements.

    OTOH if he does not cognitively manage what appears to be inherent risk in his lifestyle the FO is duly vested to manage the risk about him and his contract and their commitment to the mission.

    Everything is connected.

  • I also hesitate to think of the kind of trouble that I could have gotten into if I had been a young, rich, eligible guy back in my early to mid 20s.

    Somehow - poor, nerdy, not particularly atheletic, grad-students just don't seem to attract either strong media attention, nor do they seem to attract crowds of people who are interested in either getting to know them, or get something from them.

    It does suggest that perhaps Mr. Castro should consider dialing it back a bit in the offseason and adopting a slighly more sedate lifestyle.

    But - would I have listened to people telling me the same thing if I had been in Castro's situation? Good question.

  • John:

    This is just an extremely well written and perceptive article.
    Covers all the bases, empathic,
    culturally competent.

    Just great reporting!

    Happy New Year!

  • In reply to tboy:

    Thank you, tboy!

    Happy New Year!

  • Can't we all just get along and get to business making a trade or two involving a CF and Castillo .....LOL

  • In reply to SouthsideB:

    What a coincidence, article on that very subject is now up!

  • Yes. People make mistakes when they're young. They also make mistakes when they're older. But I think he has to take a long look at his lifestyle and start thinking about what could happen. He has a young son. If he continues in the lifestyle he's pursuing he might eventually not be as lucky the next time around. Actions like his usually result in a cost. Even if we don't know the particulars of this incident, the fact that we're discussing it means that there is already a perception that is not too favorable to him.

  • In reply to pricewriter:

    that's on us then, not starlin.

  • With Stralin, I've always had the feeling that I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. Some folks are just no good at taking their leave when the party starts to get rowdy and out of line.

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    In the first incident, Castro was not "involved" in ANY way-he was just there and a shooting occurred. So people trying to make their point stronger by saying he was "involved" are just lying. "Involvement" means you have actually done something that caused or escalated the shooting-the shooting would have been unchanged if Castro was there or not.

    The recent incident is concerning, however, if it is true that his bodyguard/brother was involved. I say concerning and not anymore only because we have no idea what happened. Was there an argument that then escalated because of the brother/bodyguard? Or was he simply responding to a shooting by firing back at shooters? Or was it another scenario? We honestly don't know, and we know how many false reports initially come out of these situations, even by mainstream sources like ESPN that do not adhere to a standard of reputable journalism when it comes to these situations.

    There was commenter who offered up some of his personal life to talk about bad decisions he made as a younger man by driving impaired. He framed his argument in terms of how he stopped because of the risk of harm to him or his own family. I would just like to say, even if I am sounding like a "buzz kill," that at whatever age, driving impaired is also taking a selfish, undue risk on other people's lives as well (and I am not saying this disparagingly to that one person, who I am sure thinks this as well).

  • It's been a while since I threw in my two cents: excellent comparison between Grace and Castro. Granted i was a high school kid when Grace was in his prime as a Cub, but looking back, there doesn't seem to be much difference. If anything, I'd commend Castro for surrounding himself with bodyguards: not because he wants to raise hell, but to keep him out of trouble. I don't know the entire situation, nor will I probably ever know. However, these guys around Castro did their job if they kept him from getting in a fight, firing shots, etc. Grace should have had some guys holding his car keys so he wouldn't have gotten behind the wheel.

    I know that when I was his age, I made more than my fair share of "bad decisions" that the church-crowd wouldn't have been pleased with. However, that's part of growing up. Hopefully Castro can become the kind of guy who enjoys his family and friends in a surrounding where he is in control: his home.

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    This city in fact this country was built by intelligent, hard working, and many times hard drinking people. WE are human, to err is human. 80% or higher of all 20 something have visited a drinking establishment. It's a large part of our culture. Mr. Jeter was well known in NYC establishments . Some of our greatest ball players drank way to much, the Babe, and some never stopped, dear departed GBHS Mickey Mantle. Try to be helpful and caring. Like Jesus Christ endeared so many not just Christians said "He without sin cast the first stone". PEACE

  • A FWIW - the Tribune has a vote for "should the Cubs move on from Castro?"....the majority say yes @ this point (by about 6%, I think). I voted no.

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    The "Tribune?" There used to be a newspaper by that name in Chicago...

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    Can't say I am surprised there.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Not that Mark Grace was a bad comp, but.... Does the name Patrick Kane ring a bell. Only difference to what Starlin is doing and what Kaner did was Kaner did it in a country that is one heck of a lot safer. Oh, and of course there is the fact that Kaner was guilty of doing something actually wrong. Lots of similarities. Sure glad Hawks didn't throw the baby out with the dishwater.

    Oh to be 25 young,talented and full of money. We would all live like Ward Cleaver!

  • "But Castro is learning that he isn't just any person, especially in his homeland" - That's the key. In that last thread, I mentioned that maybe the Cubs need to get a mentor type figure like Soriano to sit him down and discuss it with him. He might still not be taking it seriously because it in truth both situations had little to do with him. He's just a kid so he's going to think he's invincible until someone explains it to him or some tragedy occurs (hopefully not).

  • And that is why I worry about it too. When we are young, we do think we are invincible and we do stupid things and take unnecessary risks. At some point Castro will outgrow this, but for his sake sooner would be better than later.

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