Game Notes and Thread: Feliz Javidad! Baez wearing # 9, batting 2nd; Jacob Turner DFA'd, and more

Game Notes and Thread: Feliz Javidad! Baez wearing # 9, batting 2nd; Jacob Turner DFA'd, and more

Feliz Javidad, everyone!  We are just hours away from game time.  Let's whittle away the time with some news and notes around the league...

UPDATE: 3:30 PM:  Blake Parker has been optioned to Iowa to make room on the 25 man roster for Javier Baez.  Interestingly, Kyuji Fujikawa is in Denver put will not be activated today, but it means he is traveling with the team and we should expect another move shortly.  As we have said, Nate Schierholtz appears to be on the bubble, especially now that the Cubs need a 40 man roster spot.

Jacob Turner a surprise DFA

Trading after August 1st isn't easy.  Players have to clear waivers, so while normally a Jacob Turner DFA would put Cubs in the cat bird seat, they now have to hope the Rockies don't claim him to have a shot.

It's possible the Marlins have already explored a deal and have made it known exactly what it would take to acquire Turner, so the hope here is that the Marlins have something arranged with the Cubs and that the Rockies

I know from past conversations with some industry contacts that the Marlins are fond of many of the Cubs prospects -- and not just the guys at the top.  If the Rockies pass, the Cubs could make a deal from depth here.

Turner was once a highly regarded pitching prospect, the top overall prospect in the Tigers system, but he has fallen on hard times of late.  The Cubs had shown interest in acquiring him in the past, specifically when they and the Tigers engaged in Matt Garza trade talks two years ago.

Despite the ghastly numbers (4-7 with 5.97 ERA), Turner has shown some progress,  He has regained the zip on his fastball, averaging about 93 mph this year and he has cut down on the walks to 2.6 per 9 IP.  He has been hurt by a .368 BABIP and a low strand rate of 64%.  The FIP is a much more respectable 4.01.

This sounds like a perfect project for Chris Bosio, doesn't it?

Law chimes in on Baez promotion and it's implications

In case you want to hear a different, but very similar perspective to mine on the Baez call up and what it means going forward, Keith Law writes one up for ESPN (insider only).  I can't share all this thoughts, but this one is nice to hear from an objective voice,

That same urgency, combined with a lack of major financial commitments on the current roster, should lead the Cubs to be more aggressive in free agency, too. Most of the best starters on the market this winter -- and there aren't many premium ones available -- will receive a qualifying offer, so signing them as free agents would mean the loss of a pick, which for the Cubs would mean their second-rounder, a small disincentive at most. There is one premium pitcher heading for the market who can't receive a qualifying offer, however, and the Cubs' brass are already very familiar with him: Jon Lester.

Hmmm...yes.  I like the sound of that.

The Javier Baez swing

Baseball Prospectus (Free!) breaks down Javier Baez's swing, comparing it to...who else?  Gary Sheffield.  He also compares/contrasts his torso rotation, something we talked about here in the past -- with that of Mike Trout.  It is different with Baez's rotation being so full that you can see the numbers on the back of his jersey, but Parker thinks each style can be effective at the MLB level.

Dodgers pass veteran OF'ers through waivers

The Dodgers have put almost their entire non-Puig outfield (Matt Kemp, Carl Crawford, Andre Ethier) on waivers and all 3 have cleared.  RHP Josh Beckett also cleared.

The Cubs, of course, are not in contention so they are not the typical team that will try to deal for one of these players, but as we mentioned earlier today, it seems that the rebuilding plan has entered the next phase and there is some thought that the Cubs would like to  add some veterans to the mix.  The three outfielders are all signed for the next few years so they will be costly from a financial standpoint, but if we are correct and the Cubs want to start building momentum and add to the veteran portion of their foundation, it may be worth looking into if the prospect cost is reasonable and comes from the immense depth in their system.

It could help establish to free agents such as Lester that the Cubs are serious about competing as soon as next season.

Javy Baez's uniform number and the Cubs lineup...

Baez will wear #9. Get your jerseys now!

Here's the lineup...

  1. Alcantara, CF
  2. Baez, 2B
  3. Rizzo, 1B
  4. Castro, SS
  5. Ruggiano, RF
  6. Valbuena, 3B
  7. Castillo, C
  8. Lake, LF
  9. Wood, SP

I hope I don't spontaneously combust before the game starts.




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  • To echo some other thoughts on a different thread,.... You think there would be any interest in a BJax or Vitters for Turner swap?

  • In reply to drkazmd65:

    Heck, I would give both of those guys for Turner. I don't think they're going anywhere except out the door. The problem is I think 29 other GMs think that as well.

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    In reply to drkazmd65:

    It will take better than that, but definitely none of the top guys.

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    In reply to drkazmd65:

    I'd give 'em BJax AND Vitters. Not sure if the Marlins would go for it though.

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    In reply to drkazmd65:

    I doubt anyone would want to commit a 40 man spot to either. And with regards to Critters, he's out of options and would have stay on the 25 man active roster all next season or be exposed to waivers. If I were a GM (I'm not) and had any interest in either (I wouldn't), I would roll the dice and wait for them to get released and attempt to sign them as minor lg free agents.

  • In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    So are we talking Marco Hernandez or another bubble roster candidate?

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    In reply to drkazmd65:

    I'm guessing it would be a Gioskar Amaya, Marco Hernandez, or Eric Leal type of prospect, maybe a couple. Somewhere tucked neatly away in the back of our Top 40 prospects list.

  • Baez in the number 2 spot. Interesting. Not exactly where I would bat him. I'd switch spots with Valbuena.

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    I remember Billy Martin once saying about Dave Kingman..."I'd hit him in the 2 hole, he'd see more fastballs there than anywhere else." That was a loose quote from a rapily aging memory, but the point is pretty clear. Love the 2 spot for him. More fastballs, less pressure (than the middle of the order).

  • In reply to JB55:

    Generally you want the #2 to get his bat on the ball, not necessarily Baez's strength. On the other hand, maybe that is what they wany him to focus on rather than knocking the ball out of the park and over the mountains.

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    They may just want to build some confidence, as well. If so, I think the 2 hole is perfect.

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    They want him to see fastballs ahead of Rizzo. I think it plays to his strengths. Plus it lets him get an AB in the first inning.

  • In reply to CubsFanMI:

    This myth of lineup protection has been debunked on several occasions starting with an excellent chapter in BP's Baseball Between the Numbers. And here:
    And here:
    And many other places. Where Baez bats will have nothing to do with the misconceived notion that he'll see more fastballs to hit.

  • In reply to jmoultz:

    Isolated stories about specific, individual players don't support or "debunk" anything. I don't own "BP's Baseball Between the Numbers," either. Regardless, it's certainly plausible that a pitcher might be more careful not to walk a particular hitter when he knows there's a stud coming up next. I'm not ready to call that a "myth" without some meaningful stats, not isolated stories.

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    In reply to jmoultz:

    The myth of the sac bunt being beneficial had been debunked many times, as well. That doesn't seem to stop Ricky...

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    In reply to CubsFanMI:

    That was my first reaction when I heard he was batting #2. It gets him up in the first inning WITHOUT leading off or possibly making a 3rd out.

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    In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    Long term, I'd agree. But maybe they feel the best way to get him off to a good start would be to hit him in front of real protection like Rizzo/Castro instead of replacement level players

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    He needs protection. Otherwise they'll just throw him junk.

  • In reply to INSaluki:

    Careful, INSaluki, you'll arise the ire of the numbers Nazis!

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    I'm not sure about the 2 hole because he's going to strike out a lot, but, like all rooks, seeing more fastballs should help, and this order screams for a producer in the 2 hole. I can't escape my ambivalence. traditionally a two hitter needs to make contact.

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    I read on another site that Turner was DFA, and my first thought was, "BOSIO!"

    What a perfect reclamation project, if we can get him.

  • # 9..:

    Hank Sauer would be proud

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    In reply to chibob:

    Rogers Hornsby wore #9 for at least one season...with the Cubs...playing 2B.

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  • In reply to chibob:

    Randy Hundley would be proud too, especially since Javy once wore the "tools of ignorance..."

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    Heck, Bobby Hull and Jim McMahon would be proud. And does this mean WGN will keep the TV contract?

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    emergency catcher?

  • In reply to chibob:

    Scott Service and Damon Berryhill wore #9 as well if I'm not mistaken.

  • In reply to Northside Neuman:

    Yes, but neither of them were Randy Hundley!

  • In reply to chibob:

    A very nice start for the youngster. Especially winning a game.

  • Is Eitheir falling off of a cliff or just having a down year? If its the latter, I'd claim him and hope the Dodgers just let him go as a money dump. Can probably make it so that he doesn't vest that last year of his deal. Basically get him on an expensive, but manageable 3 year deal.

  • In reply to Ike03:

    And what's up with Puig? I've seen videos of him doing some dirty footwork against both Pujols and Rizzo as he crosses the 1B bag.

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    As regards a Pujols/Puig interaction - saw a video clip of Pujols mocking Puig after he made a bonehead fielding play with Pujols on base last night (I think). Pujols realized that Puig was dogging it on a routine fly ball, and tagged up at 1st, took second as Puig spaced it in CF. Pujols ain't exactly a burner at this stage, and made Puig look really silly.

    Then Puig said something (or Pujols said something first - was unclear on that point) as they passed in the field later in the game.

    Just some bad blood and juvenile behavior?

  • Sorta surprised he's hitting second. I'd thought RR would put him down the order a bit. Take some pressure off put the OBP guys higher I the order. Swap him with Valbuena... but these guys are smarter than me ;-)

  • Any word who the Cubs are moving with Baez coming up, John? Unless I've missed the transaction, I haven't seen anything yet.

  • In reply to lblegacy:

    My guess before was Schierholtz.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    BocaBobby reports below a @CarrieMuskat tweet that it's Blake Parker. Muskat also tweeted that Fujikawa is in Denver but will not be activated today. Sounds like another move is coming soon. That may involve your guess of Schierholtz.

  • #2.. tells me their letting Javy be Javy.. you like fastballs? Go get em kid

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    In reply to CubfanInUT:

    I would bet he does not see a fastball until he shows he can lay of a slider or curveball out of the zone.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    I don't know. I remember hearing that major league pitches challenged new big call ups with fastballs to start. When they prove they can hit major league fastballs then they see the breaking balls.

  • In reply to CubfanInUT:

    yeah, I think is the best spot for him, right now. If he can show that he won't chase, he'll get some good pitches to hit in front of Rizzo...

  • isn't the low strand rate from Turner an indication that he cant pitch from the strech? just like ejax, he pitches fine with none on, but once there are runners, his game collapses - it is mental with Jackson, is it similar with Turner? not sure Bosio can do anything about that... just asking, never seen Turner pitch, but i wouldnt give up a lot of prospects for Jackson II...

  • In reply to Csanad:

    It can be, but it is often just plain old back luck/sequencing.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Procedural question for you. If the Rockies claim him and they can't get a deal done with the Marlins can CHC put in a claim on him. Essentially, can everyone interested put in a claim and then just have a bidding war or can Colorado "block" CHC?

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    If I remember right, when a player is claimed off waivers, the team has 2 day (I think) to work out a deal, if they can't they can let the claiming team have the player and his contract, or pull him off waivers. If a player is pulled off waives, he can not go back on for 30 days. So yes, Colorado can "block" the Cubs and everyone else.

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    In reply to CubsFanMI:

    But this isn't waivers. This is a DFA.

  • In reply to Joel Mayer:

    Colorado has waiver priority, they would effectively block the Cubs and everyone else by claiming him.

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    In reply to Csanad:

    First of all, I don't think it is "Jackson II" He is a young pitcher who has gotten a lot of innings at a young age. He isn't great, but he only just turned 23 and is signed next year for $1M. He is a viable candidate to bounce back. His strand rate last year was 75% (pretty good). His strand rate this year (in fewer IP) is 64% (well below average). I would take a flyer on him. Especially if he can be had for someone outside of our top-20. Would I trade someone in my top-20 for him? No, if that were the case he would have been put on the waiver wire. If he is DFA'd the Marlins are saying "We don't want him/don't have room for him."

  • Baez is batting right where I hoped he would: in front of someone like Rizzo. That should give Baez some pitches to hit.

  • Replace Lake with Coughlan, put him in the #2 hole, put Baez 5 or 6, and you actually have a decent lineup. Should be interesting next year to see who they'll have at the top of the lineup to go with AA assuming Soler and Bryant are corner outfielders. Maybe Valbuena at 3b hitting in 2 spot. Or Bryant at 3rd and Coughlan in left at 2 spot?

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    In reply to sabzali:

    What about Sneezelan, Belchlan, or Yawnlan? They all appear to be viable candidates for the #2 hole.

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    Carrie Muskat ‏@CarrieMuskat 2m

    Blake Parker will be optioned to @IowaCubs to make room on #Cubs roster for Baez

    There's the move everyone was looking for.....

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    Thanks, Boca!

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    Thanks, just updated it in the piece too.

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    this doesn't create an opening on the 40-man roster though...just opening up the 25 man...

  • In reply to Chris Lattier:

    Haven't kept track, but I thought they had an open slot on the 40 man.

  • In reply to Chris Lattier:

    40 man roster was at 39. We had two spots open after the Emilio Bonifacio and James Russell trade, with Chris Valaika using one of the spots, and the other left open. Will have to open a spot to get Fujikawa on the roster now.

  • In reply to ICub14:

    I don't understand why they just don't DFA Fujikawa as soon as he comes off the DL? He coming off TJ and he is a free agent coming off a $5 million contract in two months. What value does a soon to be 35 year old bull pen guy have to this team?

  • In reply to Northside Neuman:

    The Cubs do own a team option on Fujikawa for 5.5 million next season. They could want to evaluate him on the off chance they'd consider exercising that option.

    He could also pass through waivers and be traded in August if teams like what they see. They won't get a great piece back, but this FO is nothing if not thorough and taking every advantage available to them.

  • In reply to Northside Neuman:

    Also, not that it matters all that much, but Fujikawa doesn't turn 35 until next July 21st and a reliever's age is far less important than a starter's. You can be an effective reliever fairly late into your 30s.

    Letting him go before they had to would be a waste of all that rehab time. Might as well see what you can get for him.

  • Baez, Bryant and Soler when brought up will have their high and low
    periods, but watching them grow will be worth it.

  • I'd like to see Coghlan play left every day at this point.

  • In reply to wastrel:

    I agree. Alcantara in CF and Soler when he comes up in RF.

  • I was saying yesterday that Baez would be perfect in the 2-hole with this current Cubs team. Not from an on-base perspective, but to protect him some. Baez has all the confidence in the world, so I don't expect that to be an issue, but having Rizzo and Castro right behind in the lineup is perfect so he can get his feet wet. Looks like Renteria agree... ;)

  • In reply to NathanE:

    This myth of lineup protection has been debunked on several occasions starting with an excellent chapter in BP's Baseball Between the Numbers. And here:
    And here:
    And many other places. Where Baez bats will have nothing to do with the misconceived notion that he'll see more fastballs to hit.

  • In reply to jmoultz:

    I personally believe there is something to him batting in front of Rizzo and Castro. But I also think Renteria and the FO know what kind of confidence the kid has, and don't think he will be phased in the slightest by hitting in the 2-hole.

  • In reply to jmoultz:

    Same links here you used before - neither "debunks" anything.

  • In reply to jmoultz:

    And here.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    A better link with a much larger sample size. I'm still not convinced that the idea of protection is a myth in all instances, but obviously doesn't make much difference in a general sense.

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    Dan Straily with a nice outing today also.

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    In reply to bocabobby:

    7IP, 6H, 0BB, 9K, 0ER. This is his 2nd great start in a row! While too short to get me to excited the Samardzija/Hammel trade is looking better and better.

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    I still think an OF will be moved out at some point soon. Probably Nate, cause the Cubs will need an 8 man pen again soon. Unless Wood and Jackson start going deep more consistently. Can't wait to see number 9 tonight.

    OT McCutcheon has a broken rib. So it appears his injury was from getting drilled. The D-Backs act is getting thin. All this grit standing up old school baseball looks really bad. Especially for a bad team. I would be very discouraged to be an Arizona fan.

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    Wow - Diamondbacks' hitters are gonna need full-body armor before long.

  • In reply to Sean Holland:

    This from Yahoo Sports...;_ylt=A0LEV0o3SuFT6HwAW0NXNyoA

    Rib appears not to be broken. Rather, the cartilage tore away from the rib. Ouch babe!

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    In reply to MoneyBoy:

    I'm not an orthopedist, but I think a torn or avulsed cartilage is a worse injury than a broken bone. Cartilage has a poor blood supply, it doesn't heal well. With only 8 weeks left, plus add in the required rehab time, This could be season ending for cutch.

  • How fast will things move on Turner? Will this be resolved in a day? A week?

  • Baez is NOT a 2-hole hitter by any means, but it gives him the best chance to succeed. That seems to be RR's mantra this year.

  • I don't think that anyone has pointed out that Colorado has a predominently (exclusively?) left-handed starting rotation. Perhaps yet another reason for letting Javy-baby start his ML career in Denver?

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    I think that is a very big factor. This really is the perfect situation to begin his career. Away from the pressure of the homecrowd, a bunch of lefties on the mound and at an altitude that takes the bite off some breaking balls. I'm sure the team identified this series a couple of weeks back as the optimal time to call him up.

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Colorado also has the highest ERA in baseball. Next up is Tampa who have the 11th best - but that includes the departed David Price. And in the hole are the Brewers who are ranked 15th.

    Giving Javy an opportunity to start his career against less than stellar pitching staffs gives me yet reason to believe the FO is all over this!

  • funny how someone had mentioned Baez batting #2 and instant reply was NO WAY! so ya, this will definitely be interesting.

  • In reply to lokeey:

    I have to say I am a bit surprised. I thought they'd bat him lower in the order but I was only guessing. I didn't know one way or the other.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Unless Baez struggles mightily this might be the trend going forward. If we assume he was finally brought up, despite service time implications, to adjust to the speed of the major league game before next season, it makes a lot of sense to have him bat high in the order to get as many reps as possible over the next two months.

  • In reply to jmoultz:

    I suspect that the brass would like to see him getting better pitches to hit, and that would be from batting in front of Rizzo.

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    In reply to jmoultz:

    That's exactly my thinking on Baez at the 2 slot. As many plate appearances as possible.

  • In reply to lokeey:

    Javy was batting third at Iowa, with some big guy named Bryant behind him. Maybe that's coming down the pipe - Javy third with Rizzo at Cleanup.

  • In terms of those Dodger outfielders, the only one I would want as a veteran presence would be Matt Kemp, but not with 5 years and $107M remaining on the contract of an already injury prone player. I do like taking on the back end of other team's big contracts on veteran players, but this is too steep unless the Dodgers pay about $5M per year and don't ask for too much back.

  • In reply to SkitSketchJeff:

    not sure Kemp has the attitude the cubs might be looking for from a veteran presence.

  • In reply to stix:

    Since I've moved to L.A., I can say he's a pretty hard worker, although he prefers to be a quieter leader. And even though he hasn't liked being part of the Dodgers' four-headed outfield this year, he hasn't been disruptive to the team. He's also gotten his younger run-around-town days out of his system. It's his injuries that would most concern me, especially at $21M per year for the next 5 years.

  • Weather out here getting suspicious

  • Guys, I'm sorry bring this up on this day of joy, but it breaks my heart that Felzzy can't get in on the loopy, giddy, zanie discussions we've all enjoyed here over the last 24 hours. And this joy has been brought on merely by Baez's call up. A couple of weeks ago I commented that I can't wait to see what Cubs Den is going to be like when when the Cubs actually start thumping the NL and how I so looked forward to Felzz's write-ups when that happens. I think the last day gives us a taste of how much fun we're gonna be having here and I hopefully that will go a long way toward keeping Felzz's spirit alive.

  • In reply to TTP:

    I thought about him when Baez got called up too. Would have been fun to read the recap afterward whether Javy exploded or imploded.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I really miss him. And I don't think I've ever missed a guy I never met as much as I do Felzz. Ebert comes close, but there are other pretty good movie reviewers. No one can replace Felzz.

    Enjoy tonight's game, John. And, as always, thank you for all you do. Cubs Den is The Best!

  • In reply to TTP:

    True dat,..... Am going to wonder how the Felzz would have taken this whole situation for some time to come.

  • In reply to drkazmd65:

    Somehow I think Felzz' spirit is helping all this positive karma surrounding the Cubs recently.

  • That's quite a dropoff after those first four guys. Alcantara, Baez, Rizzo, Castro - Key pieces in the Cubs future. Ruggiano, Valbuena, - possible backups on future Cubs winning teams. Castillo, Lake - question marks at best.

  • I wanna wish you a merry Javy
    I wanna wish you a merry Javy
    I wanna wish you a merry Javy
    From the bottom of my heart!

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  • Jacob Turner, eh? Small world. Folks might remember that the Cubs were trying to pry him loose from the Tigers, oh about 2011 or 2012. Maybe for Garza? Hell if I remember who.
    My first Brett Jackson game, he turned on a Turner 3-2 inside FB and dropped it over the RF wall vs the Zephyrs.
    Turner might be salvageable, but he has to be out of options by now. No idea if that would impact any move. But a hell of a "get" if he can be turned around.

  • In reply to Eldrad:

    D'oh. He is out of options. Hence the DFA. Still, if he can spend some time in AAA next year working on whatever is fixable, get him.

  • I don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but is ALREADY selling Baez #9 jerseys.

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    In reply to giamby:

    In 25 years those will probably be way more valuable to collectors than whatever number he settles into next year.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    I hope he chooses #25 next year. That way, I can cannibalize my Zambrano/Lee jerseys and have the wife replace LEE with letters from both jerseys (Z,A,B,E)...

  • Pre game for the Rockies.. guy is talkin about Javy's strikeout and base on balls rate.. I want to punch him in the face lol. Only cub fans can say that punk!

  • First at bat a strikeout, BUT he saw quite a few pitches. He struck out and a nice pitch and didn't go fishing. He certainly didn't look bad in my opinion.

  • Yeah.. He didn't fish for anything. Not a bad ab

  • Javy was playing morneau to pull. But he could have made a better effort to cover 2b on that ground ball to starlin to end the inning where starlin thew to first

  • The only frustrating thing about the appointment TV that is the top 4 in the that I have to watch Travis Wood pitch.

  • Wood hasnt been ahead of a single hitter so far...

  • Since this a game thread...

    Javier Baez's 1st MLB AB (1 Out, Nobody On Base):

    Pitch #1: FB {92 mph} High + Away = Ball 1 [1-0]
    Pitch #2: CB {78 mph} High = Ball 2 [2-0]
    Pitch #3: FB {91 mph} Low + Inside = Strike 1 - Foul [2-1]
    Pitch #4: CB {82 mph} High + Away = Strike 2 - Looking [2-2]
    Pitch #5: CB {83 mph} High + Inside = Foul [2-2]
    Pitch #6: FB {93 mph} Inside = Foul [2-2]
    Pitch #7: CB {82 mph) Low + Slightly Inside = Strike 3 [Strikeout]

    If Javy keeps up these kind of good at bats, getting ahead in the counts, fouling off pitches, he will do well. I'm very encouraged by his first at bat despite the result.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Len said he struck out on a slider.

  • In reply to Midwest Cubbie:

    Looks like a CB to me. It was his breaking pitch anyway.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    It would be fantastic if he could be closer to Rizzo's 2014 P/PA (4.02) than Castro's 2014 numbers (closer to Baez's 2014 MiLB P/PA of 3.8), but I won't hold my breath.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    That 2-1pitch is the type of pitch he is going to take opposite field as he gets comfortable, it was definitely a pitch he could have walloped.

  • In reply to JimL:

    That first pitch bender he should of let go also..

  • How about mike olt for turner....2 former top prospects that could both use a change of scenery....with the marlins trade of Moran you know they are looking for corner infield help

  • In reply to NIKOMAN:

    I am not ready to give up on olt... I would mot do that trade yet

  • In reply to NIKOMAN:

    Olt is hitting .345 since joining Iowa; including a 2-4 performance today with a grand slam. Olt doesn't need a change of scenery as much as regular AB's. Just got back from watching six games in Iowa last week; and Olt looked very good at 1B. With continuity and some regained confidence, at the very least we should be able to truly evaluate what we have in him. I am intrigued by the idea of adding Turner, but dealing Olt at this point would not be a wise decision.

  • In reply to Upstate NY Cubs Fan:

    I agree, Upstate. Spot-starting Olt just compounded the problem. He needs regular AB's. He is getting the opportunity in Triple A and look at the results. Enough with playing guessing games of putting him in a good situation to succeed. The good situation for him is going to be regular playing time. I liked Olt pre-eye problem with the Rangers and think he could be real solid if given a decent chance. The question is ... Bryant. Is he going to stick at 3B or move to the OF? Looks like he is sticking at 3B for the time being at least.

  • In reply to lblegacy:

    What about Fujikawa for Turner? Doesn't solve 25 man issues, but would help with the 40. Unless they think they'll be bringing him back next year...

  • In reply to hawkmcd:

    He offers nothing to the Marlins. You'd think they'd want to get someone a little more long term than less than 2 months.

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    Not sure I agree with that. If they were thinking more long term then they would be keeping Turner. And they don't have much leverage if the Cubs make a claim and the Rockies don't (seems likely as Denver post reporter tweeted last night they're not interested).

  • It's not a matter of giving up though...there just isn't anywhere to put him. I do think it's too much for a DFA but wouldn't complain

  • In reply to chonce21:

    Right now (say Sept) 3B is still open. This assumes Bryant comes up next May.

  • In reply to John57:

    Tru dat. And i would rather see Olt build up some value before he is part of any trade. Right now we would be selling low

  • Following up on what Mooney was implying. Bringing Baez up now is a great sign that the FO is looking at seriously competing next year and in that vein, we might see Bryant soon for that same reason. They want these kids comfortable in the bigs before next year.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    Who knows, maybe the Lester trade and therefore unrestricted availability triggered all this.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    eh... I would probably say that the Tanaka loss had a bigger effect. I don't buy that we were significantly outbid by the Yankees. I think we essentially lost out on the sweepstakes because Tanaka wanted to win. Hopefully bringing up the youngsters will show FAs that winning is in the near future.

  • In reply to KC Cubs Fan:

    Huh, maybe.

  • Man, Wood used to be my favorite in the rotation, both with his pitching and his at he is as painful to watch as Jackson. Hope he can turn it around, but this has been a wasted year...

  • In reply to Csanad:

    Wood can still be a serviceable guy in the rotation IMO.

  • In reply to Csanad:

    I'm starting to think last year was a fluke for him. Wonder if he can be turned around?

  • In reply to Cliff1969:

    I think I'd rather take my chances on Jacob Turner turning it around.

  • As I mentioned with regards to Olt's recent success back at AAA, there is a huge difference between the minors and the majors pitching and we're seeing that tonight. Luckily we get almost 2 months of watching Baez learn and grow. Unfortunately, I think we'll see many 2-3 KO games in the meantime.

  • Cubs showing some patience at the dish.

  • That first pitch to Baez with the bases loaded was the most vicious foul straight back I've seen in a long time. Man, if he'd connected with that.

  • In reply to Ricardo:

    The fly out wasn't too bad either. That RF was playing him pretty deep for a RH batter.

  • A great inning by the TEAM.

  • Latroy Hawkins coming in for the Rox? Yes!

  • Uoo, don't like that throw on turning DP

  • In reply to Oneear:

    I think he one hopped it on purpose

  • Schierholtz in his final at bat

  • In reply to Oneear:

    as a cub.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    What happened to him. Gosh, he's been terrible!

  • In reply to TTP:

    He's really struggled since the first half of last season. He may not have been as good as he looked that first half but I have a hard time believing he is as bad as he has looked since then.

  • LOL!!!!

  • Feliz Javidad indeed! 1st MLB HR!

  • Baez with a homer

  • JAVY!!!!!

  • I was laughing, too! It only took six at bats!

  • Was anyone else hoping that the Rockies would get 1 more run to send it to the 12th, so that Javy could do THAT! Heck yeah!

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    I almost went to bed thinking Rondon would shut them down...I'm so glad I didn't!!!

  • Javt Baez to you
    Javy Baez to you
    Javy Baez Dear Cubbies...
    Javy Baez to you!

    ...and many more! (Homeruns that is)

  • That was worth staying up for! Wow!

  • The game winner no less!

  • It's a new day John!!!

  • 3Ks,.... one Game winning HR,..... if you are going to get your first ML hit,.... that's how to do it!

    Welcome to the league Mr. Baez!

  • That was awesome! Oh boy! What a way for him to get his first hit, first HR! Good for him!

    Sweet dreams everybody!

  • Well I ain't seeping tonight. Javy friggin Baez!!!!!

  • Watch Javy Baez's 1st Homerun (414 ft) over and over again....
    Javy being Javy

  • Javy brings presents for all the bad and good boys and girls.
    The Ks were for all of you that doubted him.
    The HR was for all us who didn't.

  • No biggy. Just a game winning homerun. In his 1st big league game. Pretty blase really.

    And the K's and runners LOB earlier served to "Tuffy-Proof" him.

    Welcome to the big club, young man.

  • Feliz Javidad to everyone!

    It was great to see Javy come through after having such a rough game. This is the first time I've really seen him and man is that swing violent. It reminded me of Andre Dawson... not the swing itself (Dawson didn't have much unnecessary movement) but the bad intentions - it really looked like he wanted to destroy the baseball. The line out actually seemed like it was hit harder than the home run to me... not sure if it was actually the case or camera angle or the vicious swing made it "feel" like it was hit harder than it was.

    On a side note this is my first post here although I've been following this site for about a year and a half now. There is no better place to find thoughtful discussion on the Cubs and baseball in general. My hat is off to all involved.

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    BAEZ!!!……That is all, back to regularly scheduled programing.

  • Just got back home from the five hour drive to Denver. Javy's homer was enough to keep me excited/awake on the way back! Wished there was some Cubs programming that I could have somehow listened to on the way back.

    His fly out to right in the 7th was indeed hit vet hard. One of those line drives that didn't seem to get very high, but kept going. I thought he was going to bust the game open for a second. Crazy game. Fun to see the homer. Now must sleep!

  • I didn't see the game here in TN, but I've read all about it, of course. He obviously can take the ball the other way with power, so pitchers aren't going to be able to sit on the outside corner to get him to try to pull and ground out weakly to short. Same goes for Bryant, so the teaching in the minors is showing up. Baez is 21 years old and I have no reason to believe he won't make strides in breaking ball recognition as well. The day will come when there will be no way to pitch him consistently.

  • I absolutely love how 2/3 of last night's starting lineup were homegrown products, with many more to come!

  • In reply to DecaturCubsFan77:

    Great point Decatur, you gotta love that. This number should only increase when the rest of the core 4 (and more) start arriving.

    Just saw Javy's HR on the MLB channel. Sweet! Went oppo, too, even sweeter.

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