Daily Cubs Minors Recap: Bryant HRs, Doubront debut a mixed bag. Lockhart caps Cougars comeback

Daily Cubs Minors Recap: Bryant HRs, Doubront debut a mixed bag. Lockhart caps Cougars comeback
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As some of you may know, I am fighting a ghastly cold so I crashed early last night.  The recaps are a bit late but good stuff from the Cubs prospects once again...

Las Vegas 6 - Iowa 5

  • LHP Felix Doubront made his debut and he pitched well, like Felix Doubront.  He showed good stuff, working his cutter and change to lefties and his curve to RH batters.  He got a lot of swings and missed.  But he had one where he let the counts work deep and then gave up 3 hard hits in a row, leading to two of the runs.  He pitched 4 innings and allowed 3 runs on 2 walks and 3 hits.  He struck out 7.  It was pretty much a glimpse of all there is to like and all that frustrates about Doubront.
  • Marcos Mateo and his 30 year old, 97 mph throwing self struck out the side in his one inning of work.
  • The Cubs managed to tie the game in the 8th but the slumping Marcus Hatley gave it right back in the top of the 9th, allowing the go-ahead run and eventually losing the game.  He is now 2-6 with a 4.43 ERA.
  • Kris Bryant had some interesting battles with fellow top prospect Noah Syndegaard.  He worked the count well which isn't easy against a pitcher with good control.  He flied out deep to the warning track in right, then managed a broken bat single to left.  The out was louder than the hit, but it was impressive that Bryant had enough strength to muscle inside, bat-breaking heat into the SS/3B hole.  He flied out to RF one more time before ending with a flourish against the bullpen.   He hit an 8th inning HR to bring the I-Cubs to within one, his 17th at AA and minor league leading 39th overall, and then hit a 2 out double in the 9th but was left stranded when Brett Jackson was called out on strikes to end the game.  He cut his K rate down to 26.5% today.  It was a tough match-up today for him in that he faced a hard-throwing pitcher with good enough command to attack Bryant's holes, but Bryant more than held his own here.  He's getting real close right now, though we won't see him this season.
  • In case you are wondering, Jorge Soler had a scheduled day off as part of his regimen.  He did pinch hit and struck out.
  • The Iowa announcers were commenting on how nobody has been hitting the ball harder more consistently of late than Mike Olt, which helps explain the lofty BABIP.  He did have a ringing single off of Syndegaard and went 1 for 4 with a walk overall.
  • Rafael Lopez has quietly held his own at AAA, going 2 for 3 with a double and a walk.  He is hitting .263 with a .360 OBP but the power he showed at AA has virtually disappeared in the PCL.

Huntsville 5 - Tennessee 2

  • Felix Pena came out firing goose eggs to start the game but ran into a wall in the 5th.  He was only able to retire one batter there and was eventually charged with 3 runs.   It was a shaky outing overall as Pena did walk 4 batters, 3 of them before the 5th inning.  He did strike out 5.  Pena fell to 1-2 with a 5.27 ERA at Tennessee.
  • Solid game for Addison Russell who went 1 for 3 with a walk and stole his 2nd base.  Right now I am watching that walk rate with Russell, who has been pretty aggressive since joining the Smokies.  He can be a patient hitter but he can also expand the zone from time to time.  Of course, hitting the way he was, you can't blame him from wanting to swing.  Russell has now walked 8 times in 130 PAs (6.1%) and 32 games with the Smokies, but half of those walks have come in the last 10 games, so he is trending back in the right direction.
  • Christian Villanueva doubled and drove in 2.

 Brevard County 5 - Daytona 1

Daytona - 3 Brevard County 2

  • The Juan Paniagua express has slowed down at Daytona, after finishing strong in the MWL, he has found things a little tougher here so far.  Paniagua allowed 7 hits, including a HR, in just 3.1 innings.  He walked 3 and struck out 3.  Paniagua showed good velo when I saw him earlier in the year at Kane County, throwing 92-94 but was inconsistent with his slider and sometimes worked up in the zone.   It may be that more advanced hitters are taking advantage of that.
  • There is nothing flashy about Tayler Scott.  He doesn't throw hard (89-91) and doesn't miss a lot of bats, but he does have a solid curve and change, so when he has command of his pitches he can be pretty good.  That has been the case lately as Scott has pitched as well as any D-Cub starter of late.  He went 6 innings and allowed 2 runs, walking 2 and striking out 5.  He got a no-decision but lowered his ERA to 4.31.  I get the sense that Scott is well-liked in this organization for his good makeup and his excellent athleticism, it's just a matter of him improving his command enough to give his average stuff a chance.  He has a 2.54 ERA in his last 7 starts with 6 walks vs. 29 Ks in 39 innings.
  • Despite the good performance from Scott, it was Yao-Lin Wang who got the win with one scoreless inning.
  • There just wasn't any standout games on offense in this twin bill. Jacob Hanneman went 2 for 7 with a double and an RBI.
  • Kyle Schwarber went 2 for 6 with a run scored.
  • Dan Vogelbach had a pair of singles in 6 ABs.
  • Bill McKinney went 1 for 5 with a double, walk, and a run scored.
  • Gioskar Amaya went 2 for 5 with a run scored.

Kane County 4 - Quad Cities 3

  • Jen-Ho Tseng was rolling along, pitching a no-hitter for the first 4.1 innings and facing two over the minimum after 5.  He then ran into some trouble in the 6th, losing his command as he may be tiring as we near the end of his first professional season.  He ended up going 5.2 innings and allowing 2 runs with 3 walks and 5 strikeouts.  He got a no-decision as the Cougars were held scoreless until the bottom of the 9th.  His ERA is at 2.52.
  • David Garner picked up the win with a scoreless 9th when the Cougars rallied for 4 runs in the bottom of the 9th to win the game.  Garner is 1-0 with a 4.05 ERA since joining Kane County.
  • The Shawn-O-Meter II is at .285 after a 2 for 5 day.  He also stole 2 bases, giving him 21 on the year.  Shawon Dunston is hitting .331/.357/.454 in the second half.
  • Sometimes it's not how you start, but how you finish.  Danny Lockhart went 1 for 4 but was part of the 9th inning rally, driving in the winning run.  Lockhart has hit well this year but he is more of a line drive guy and doesn't have the size/strength to hit for much power.  He is at .288/.353/.367 on the year.
  • Jacob Rogers kick-started the offense, hitting his 14th HR after Victor Caratini got on on an error.  Rogers is hitting .266/.361/.449 on the year.
  • Jeimer Candelario had a key double in the 9th and scored the game-winning run on Lockhart's single.
  • Jeffery Baez went 2 for 3 with a double and a walk.  The other Baez has come on strong of late, hitting .378 in his last 10 games with 2 HRs and upping his overall line at Kane County to .281/.300/.491.  The average and the slugging is actually higher than it was in Boise, though he hasn't shown the same kind of plate discipline.  Baez, though, isn't a naturally selective hitter.  He works at it, so it comes and goes and he goes through streaks where he can be quite aggressive at the plate.

Boise 9 - Eugene 8

  • It's been an up and down year for Trevor Clifton and today was one of the downs.  In what may have been his worst start of the year, Clifton was ousted after 1.2 innings allowing 5 runs (3 earned) on 5 hits.  He was also wild, walking 2 and throwing 2 wild pitches.
  • Yomar Morel worked 4.1 key innings, allowing just a solo HR as the only blemish.  The Hawks rallied behind him and he was in line for a well-deserved win before Eugene had their own rally to tie the game late.  Morel has a 6.08 ERA at Boise, so this was a much needed good outing for him.
  • LHP Sam Wilson had been pitching well but he blew this save in the 9th but atoned for it with a scoreless 10th as Boise pulled their second rally to win.  Wilson walked one and struck out 4 in 2 IP and is now 5-0 with a 3.24 ERA.  The 5 wins are nice, but Wilson has 3 blown saves, so that stat is a bit misleading.  But his improving control (3.5 walks per 9 IP) and ability to miss bats (10.3 Ks/9 IP) bode well for success at the next level.
  • Rashad Crawford went 2 for 5 with a double and a walk.  He also scored and drove in a run.  The 2012 11th round pick is hitting .279 on the year with 14 SBs.
  • Charcer Burks continued to display his improving approach as he went 2 for 5 with another walk.  Burks is hitting .308 with a .423 OBP.  He also drove in a run and scored.
  • Mark Zagunis went 1 for 4 with a walk, 2 runs scored, and an RBI.  It's been a solid debut for Zagunis, who has hit .305/.433/.430 at Boise.  The ability to stay at catcher will be a key for him.
  • Two unheralded players, 1B Danny Canela (37th rd pick, signed by the Cubs out if independent league) and 3B Jesse Hodges (undrafted FA) had identical lines, going 2 for 5 with a run scored and 2 RBI.
  • The 3rd OBP machine with speed other than Burks and Zagunis is 2B/SS Bryant Flete, who went 2 for 4 with a walk, run scored, and an RBI.  Flete is hitting .344/.413/.391 at Boise.

 

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    Marcus Hatley is really slumping, you are right. The first half, he looked like a guy we would need to roster or lose, and was sharp. It seems like his command has deserted him, though.

    Unless he improves, we probably should not 40-man him, and if I am Hatley, I probably sign with another org in the offseason that has fewer young bullpen arms than the Cubs to compete with

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I agree. I would not roster him at this point. I would ask him back but he may want to move on considering the bullpen depth in this org. He may have a better shot elsewhere.

  • Hey John, I was wondering if you can start including how many times Mike Olt struck out in these recaps. I love seeing him doing better, but I feel like the strikeout rate is the most important stat he needs to improve on.

  • In reply to JLynch2247:

    I can, but it's rather redundant. He will strikeout. He will always strikeout, swing path dictated that even before his injury. I imagine he will strikeout at a rate similar to someone like Mark Reynolds if he makes it, That may not be a bad comp at this point either.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Good point.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    At least Olt is a much better 3B than Reynolds ever was. Olt really doesn't have to improve his contact skills by much to add major league value....but he does have to improve

  • In reply to JLynch2247:

    Nevermind. I forgot that I could easily click on the box score link to see the stats.

  • In reply to JLynch2247:

    That is part of the reason I link that. I will note something if I see a specific trend that varies from the norm, but if it's business as usual (as it has been with Olt) then I won't say anything for the most part.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Maybe point out if Olt has 0 Ks, regardless of the rest of his line LOL

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    How good is Zagunis supposed to be at catcher? He's played catcher about 1/3 of his playing time...the other times split between DH and OF...and has barely thrown out anybody (13% CS to Schwarber's 42%)....I haven't watched any Boise games so all we have to go by is the stats...looking at those he has the same amount of PB as Schwarber (3) in the same amount of games.

    Could Schwarber be better behind the plate?

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    In reply to Chris Lattier:

    I realize their is a lot more than throwing out base runners...just curious if you've heard any good reports on game calling, receiving, etc...

  • In reply to Chris Lattier:

    Zagunis needs some work with his throwing. He is athletic, so he should move well back there, but throwing and managing a game (like all young catchers) needs a lot of work,

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I thought I read that scouts like all his catching skills, except the throwing, and that's the thing that will make or break him at that position. He wasn't very good in college at throwing runners out, either, so it was a known problem when he was drafted.

  • John, did you see the Iowa game? I'm curious what Dubront's stuff was like, etc... Was he working on something? 7K's is promising for 4 IP, but the rest.... smh

    Also, the forgotten big fella in Daytona, seems to have figured things out a bit lately. Rock shoulders has walked in 6 consecutive games (11 BB's total during that 6 game span and 3 HR's too).

    Tseng's off season priority is obviously conditioning stamina. Those 3 BB's just increased his season total by what 20-30%? lol

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I did but the camera angle doesnt lend itself to judging his stuff. It comes from above and behind home plate, sort of a birds eye view. Could tell how he was working in and out but otherwise had to rely on hitter to get a hint of what was going one.

    I would say lots of rest for Tseng as well.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Okay thanks! Maybe someone who was at the game can chime in.

  • Does anyone know the expected starting pitcher for Thursdays game In Des Moines? Heading there with my brothers and hoping to see one of our new acquisitions. I will also see if i can snap some pictures if i can set my beer and hotdog down for long enough to take a couple!

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    I was at the Bay Bears game that Almora left early with an injury after diving for a ball. Any word on his status?

  • In reply to JaredLyles:

    He has not been put on the DL, figuring it's day to day. He tweaked it but has played since then.

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    Is Almora hurt?

    He did not play yesterday at all and he did not PH. I guess we will have the answer if he is in today's lineup.

    It is also possible he is not earning playing time at AA! (JK)

    Based on nothing but my own intuition (and his BB%) of all the top 7 prospects I think he is the least likely to turn into an everyday major leaguer.

  • In reply to Daniel Rosenberg:

    He tweaked his hammy but that was about 3 days ago. Could be cautious, He played a double header the day after he tweaked it, so maybe just rest.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    He actually left game 2 of the doubleheader after he dove for a ball. Looked like his arm rolled up under him on the dive. He was laying face down kicking both feet, so I did not figure the hamstring. I guess since he came in a hit a walk-off double, he is ok...

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    John, who works with these pitchers in Iowa. Do they put a plan in place for each guy? Is a guy like Straily in weekly conversations with Bosio or The cubs Pitch Coordinator Derek Johnson on approach and mechanics? The whole development piece on prospects really intrigues me.

  • In reply to Barry Bij:

    Johnson works on guys mostly in the offseason but he has so much ground to cover that he doesn't work with any of these guys on a regular basis. For him it's more of an overview. It's the individual team pitching coaches who handle the day to day stuff.

  • So what happens next year with the pitching staff? Cubs have Arrieta, Wood, Jackson, Hendricks, Wada, Strailey, Doubront, and Turner on all the roster and thats without targeting anyone in free agency. Are some of these guys going to the pen (Turner, Wood, Jackson)? Would they be released? Can't see them sending Hendricks down, Turner would have to go through waivers and would Strailey or Doubront even report to Iowa next year.

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    It's trivial, but it's cool that Bryant retook the HR lead.

    I'll be surprised if he loses it, too.

    Joey Hallo is weird. He showed a ton of improvement the first half of the year, then after getting promoted, he reverted to his dreadful K% rate from last year. His BB% rate reverted too. It wasn't bad at all last year but it was great in the first half.

    He's struck out over 40% in AA and hit .184 in the last 10. Meanwhile, Bryant's last 10 is at .382.
    Pity we have about 9 months until we see him in Chicago.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Giffmo, your patience will be rewarded. Seems like Bryant will be a nice, finished product by the time he reaches Wrigley with just the adjustment period (especially the second and third time facing a team). Obviously as the FO made clear and as we are witnessing, Baez's adjustment period is much greater. It will create great buzz and commentary over the doldrums of winter. Some of it will be the mal-informed wanting Bryant to break camp with the big league team, but much will be the more sensible path of a call up in May (barring injury or setbacks)

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    From a fan standpoint I would love to see him in Chicago, but I get it (as I know you do) from a financial standpoint. It's unfortunate but that is how the game is. I think he can handle himself well right now in the big leagues. Either way he doesn't have much time left in the minors -- the problem is that big, long offseason!

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Bryant is one of those rare players that could have went straight from NCAA to MLB and not looked overwhelmed.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Possibly,.... but I'm guessing that first couple months would have been kind of brutal to watch as he both was at the end of what would have been his longest BaseBall season, and because he did have some things he needed to work on.

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    In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Probably. But look at Zunino.

    Not that they're that similar but I feel Seattle has done him an incredible disservice.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    I think our FO absolutely did the right thing. For him, his development, and for us. But Bryant's approach and swing would have played at the MLB level from day one. Not as well as it would have today, but not as poorly as Mike Olt showed either.

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    As for Russell, I'm glad he's regaining his patience but was never really concerned.

    I feel like he had a lot of pressure on him to go out and prove how good he is.
    When your new team gave up a popular top pitcher who's tossing lights out, I'm sure you feel like you need to hit .400.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    I think his numbers make him look more disciplined than he is. Not saying he is a wild swinger, but he will chase from time to time. He gets it and he understands the importance, so he will continue to improve and become more consistent in that regard, but he is more of a naturally aggressive hitter than people seem to think He is by no means a finished product in that regard. I am not worried either, but that is more because he has the makeup/instincts/intelligence to understand the importance and the pitch recognition skills to execute a better approach. He is young, so it comes and goes, but eventually he will be fine and anytime he trends in the right direction it's a step closer to where you want him to be.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Billy Beane called him "Barry Larkin". Does that still fit?

    Barry Larkin 2.0 would be OK by me......I think he had 1000 career hits vs. Cubs, felt like it anyway

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I think he is like him in a lot of ways, the good, quick hands on offense and defense, the makeup. I think Russell will hit for average and take walks eventually, hit for occasional power. I think he will strikeout more than Larkin does and he won't steal as many bases, but he may end up with a bit more power (though that may come at the cost of filling out and outgrowing SS).

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I think you're right.

    Your description reminds me of an interview I saw with Rizzo where he says that he hates to walk. He wants to hit everything but realizes it's often a bad decision, but still wants the hit, really.

  • OT: Has anyone heard anything about Castro's knee?

  • In reply to Oneear:

    I don't know but he hustled out a groundball and with no limp late in the game, so I assume he is fine until I hear otherwise.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    He probably just tweaked it. Maybe a slight hyperextension or something like that. He seemed to walk it off pretty good to me.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    I think that was a little trophy limp for his buddy Aramis. Like John said below, he came up with a hard 90 when he had to so he's gotta be fine. He definitely has that trademark Dominican flash. Couple with Valbuena's Venezuelan flash its a really fun left side to watch. I went to the Friday game of the Dodger series and I'm pretty sure I saw Starlin throw his superbubble/redman combo at Luis during a moment of downtime.

  • In reply to Ben20:

    lol, 'wish he wouldn't do that.

  • It's not that I dislike Olt, but he feels like the odd man out at third. I'm having trouble visualizing him with a spot in the Cubs future.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I would think that Olt will be playing 3B out of ST next year and should share it with Valbuena until Bryant's call up. We should have a better idea of his value by then. At this point it should be about building value.

  • In reply to TheThinBlueLine:

    I'd wager he is dealt this winter. Hopefully, he can establish some success as the everyday MLB 3B for Sept and possibly excel in Winter ball... Just dont see them keeping him for a few weeks in 2015 just to be replaced by Bryant and relegating him to corner utility/bench (which may be his ultimate role) this early negates any trade value he may have...

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    In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    If he performs even at a decent level, I'd have no problem with Olt at 3B and Bryant in either OF corner. I could see a 2015 line up of:
    Alcantara
    Castro
    Soler
    Rizzo
    Bryant
    Baez
    Olt
    Castillo

  • In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    I don't have a problem with it either, but I still think he's dealt. Coghlan/Ruggiano platoon in LF should produce better BA & OBP and one could argue better SLG & OPS too vs Olt. But power hitting 3B would fetch more via trade vs the 4th/5th OF'rs.

    With Bryant's emergence, Olt has become expendable.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    i would take olt off the bench over replacement level player. he's cost-controlled and hits with some serious pop. maybe it wouldn't be best for him and his career, but i don't see why he would be expendable from the team's perspective.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Olt is the odd man out at this point but he also could be pushed to LF by Bryant at call up next May and continue there until pushed off by another up and comer or Bryant if he can't hack 3B. I'm thinking this FO will try to rebuild his value in the spring if he doesn't as you mention show something this September. They waited too long on Marmol for the same reasons though. I would prefer Olt at 3B over Valbuena to start the year if he shows any promise this Fall at all. Either way Olt will have to really turn it around at the MLB level to stay with the club longer term.

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    In reply to Bilbo161:

    Olt is the better defensive 3B and Bryant has considerably more speed in open space. If it were determined that both would play regularly and positioning were my call, I'd play Olt at 3B and Bryant in the OF

  • In reply to Bilbo161:

    Coghlan/Ruggiano platoon may out produce Olt. So I don't see him pushing them to the 4th/5th OF'r role (which I'd love to have them in). They aren't going to move Bryant off of 3B for Olt.

    The only way Olt sticks @ Wrigley in 2015 (barring a total collapse of bryant or Coghlan/Ruggiano) is as a bench/corner utility guy. I think he will provide us more value via trade this winter as he has the potential to be an everyday 3B for many other teams. Valbuena will provide the same value (to us) as a bench/utility guy with MI ability as well.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    A power hitting third baseman is worth MUCH more than the outfielders you mentioned. But no one will consider Olt to be a power hitting third baseman at this point, until he proves he can do it in the majors. I doubt (and hope) that the Cubs will trade Olt this winter unless they get a pretty good return for him. Much better to give him one last chance to make it in the MLB and then see what he can return.

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    I know Arodys Vizcaino wasn't mentioned in this recap, but I've been daydreaming at work today, and I have a question I was wondering if someone could answer -

    Is there any chance of Arodys Vizcaino becoming a starter again at some point? I know earlier this year he was having fatigue issues coming back from 2 years off, but I'd LOVE that electric arm in the rotation. Signing Lester/Scherzer/Shields (or any other ace) would give the Cubs some pitchers with great command and stuff in Arrieta, Lester (or other), and Hendricks (mostly for his command and intelligence, not 'stuff'), but we really don't have an electric arm in the rotation. I'd LOVE to see them try to work Arodys back as a starter.

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    I wonder about Olt and BABIP. With a guy you really want to consider major league material playing in AAA should you really hold him to the same BABIP standard as normal? In other words if we think Olt is a major league 3b in hiding, playing against AAA pitching and AAA fielding, SHOULDN'T he be hitting the ball hard and finding holes that the average minor leaguer wouldn't? Shouldn't we expect a BABIP of .350 or more on AAA if we expect this guy to survive in the majors?

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    In reply to SKMD:

    I don't think that is necessarily the case. Most baseball people say that there are 2 big leaps in baseball.
    1. A+ to AA--this is often the first time that the player is forced to "think" about the game rather than just going on "tools" and raw skill. AA pitchers can hit their spots with more consistency than at the lower levels and AA batters will clobber any mistakes a pitcher makes. For the first time they will likely face the same guy more often, and that guy will have put some thought into how to get him out.

    2. AAA to MLB. In this one the change isn't so much physical as mental. At MLB the pitcher almost always hits his mark. The batters are more disciplined. The difference is more "consistency" than "ability."

    For these reasons I don't expect that he will have particularly good stats in AAA. He is there to work on some specific skills, not accumulate any stats.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Isn't his BABIP at AAA this year .404?

  • The Kane County team is really turning out to be a fun group to follow. No huge names, not a ton of power, but they are a very productive bunch so far. Daytona is going to have a hell of a team next year, with the likes of Brockmeyer, Candy, Caratini, Dunston, Rogers, Chesny, and the other JB. Not to mention the pitchers who will be there, which is another interesting list....

  • In reply to HefCA:

    Boise falls in the same category. Small park, and still little power, but they score a LOT of runs and play pretty good baseball.

  • Hey John, do you have Tseng in the lead for Organizational pitcher of the year?? If not, who do you think should get it?

  • In reply to Ben20:

    If you can't choose Hendricks, it has to be him. Underwood, Wada, and Jokisch get some consideration.

    CJE & PJ are still what we thought they were, they just lost some time to injury. Rob Z is pretty solid, after a slow start in Daytona. Lots of positive vibes about this years draft class for next year though. I think Stinnet is going to fly through the lower minors and shoot up prospect rankings next year.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Underwood would be a decent call.

  • made a bet with a friend that Baez gets a walk before the weekend.. lulz

  • In reply to CubfanInUT:

    Not a bad bet on your part. Javy tends to be streaky and do things in bunches. HR's, K;s, BB's all of it. He's due for free passes.

  • Kornhauser running w/ Rosenthal's Lester to the Cubs concept. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2161890-chicago-cubs-are-favorites-to-land-jon-lester-this-offseason

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    In reply to Oneear:

    replace "lester" with "tanaka" in that headline....

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Realizing that had the Yankees not decided to blow past the 189 luxury tax threshold to get Tanaka, he ends up with the Cubs, and not at the egregious price with out clauses he got from New York. NY may have been better off sticking with that initial plan.

    I definitely like seeing the Cubs have so far made proper evaluations on IFAs. The guys they went hard after have had success transitioning to MLB, regardless of how Tanaka's injury turns out, they evaluated him appropriately. Same goes for Darvish, Cespedes. Though they did miss on Puig and Ryu.

  • Why does Gordo feel the need to manufacture new/headlines? There's no need to have this conversation now. He's controlled for 3 more seasons. Lots can happen until then. This is why I hate the media...lol

    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/29221672-573/cubs-right-hander-jake-arrieta-open-to-long-term-contract.html#.U-uz4vk7uM7

    The reality is Jake has made roughly $500K annually. His first year of arb will be this winter, he'll get bumped up to a few million. Then next year, maybe $10MM or so... $15MM+ the year after that. Still lots of positive value and cost control for the Cubs (if he doesn't regress). Plenty of time to demonstrate season to season consistency and maintain health to worry about locking him up long term.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I almost read that column today, and then I thought "why? it's either lies or irrelavent."

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    He's going to have to be one of the best pitchers in baseball to get arbitration $$$ at those levels.

    Bold prediction.

  • In reply to J Quinn:

    I intentionally through out large numbers to over emphasize my point. SP's performing like Arrieta has fetch $18-$20MM+ in FA right now.

    Shark was given almost $5.5MM this year and many estimates quote $12-15MM+ next year for arbitration. David Price got $14MM this year and many are estimating $20MM+ for next year in arbitration.

    With the way SP prices have gone, it's not inconceivable that Jake would get something in between... provided his performance stays where it is this year.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Agreed. If he keeps up this level he's in line for it but rare in the player that can put up 3+ seasons like that even for elite pitchers. The list of players that do it is chock full of guys with all-star appearances and Cy Young hardware.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I'm just going to assume you're throwing random number out there because their is no way his salary increases by those increments. Samardjiza was only making $5 million this year and Price is only making $10 million this season.

    Arrieta will probably make $2 million in 2015 and $5 million in 2016. He isn't going to go from $500k to $15 million during his arb years, he isn't David Price in skill or record.

  • Hmm, ok Price made $14 million this year, which is his final arb season. I must be thinking of someone else. However the point still stands, Arrieta salary won't escalate at that rate unless he becomes a sure fire ace, and as is the consensus on this blog he's a number 2 in most people eyes.

  • In reply to Northside Neuman:

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