Trade Rumors: Danny Duffy to the Cubs?

Trade Rumors: Danny Duffy to the Cubs?

Trade rumors keep percolating as Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammell both appear to be on their way out of Chicago.  For Hammel, teams that have talked with the Cubs believe he will be moved in the next two weeks.  For Samardzija, a "Top 4" of Giants, Blue Jays, Royals, and Yankees seems to be emerging.

  • The Royals continued strong play has made them a popular destination in Jeff Samardzija rumors.  One name that is popping up in trade rumors is 25-year old lefty Danny Duffy.  A third round pick in the 2007 draft, Duffy emerged as one of the Royals top prospects before undergoing Tommy John surgery in 2012.  (Hipster Tommy John surgery: he had it before it was cool.)  Duffy has a mid 90s fastball which he complements with a plus curve and a changeup.  This year, his strikeouts numbers are down but so are his walk totals.  If you're looking to get someone similar to Jake Arrieta in a Jeff Samardzija trade, Duffy is a good guy to hope for.
  • While the Royals appear a possible destination for Samardzija, two early favorites, the Braves and the Rockies, are not.  Braves' beat reporter David O'Brien says that the team is already over-budget already and are not looking to add to their rotation, which they view as a strength.  Meanwhile, the Denver Post's Patrick Saunders reports that the Rockies have not decided whether they will be buyers or sellers at the deadline.  Whatever they end up doing, however, they are not interested in either one of the Cub pitchers.  This is pure speculation, but given Jake Arrieta's extreme ground ball splits this year, could the Rockies be the team willing to part with two impact players to acquire him?
  • This is not exactly a trade rumors but it is important for the Cubs, nonetheless.  Padres GM Josh Byrnes was fired on Sunday.  Among the names the San Diego Union-Tribune has on the shortlist to replace him is Cubs' SVP of Scouting and Player Development, Jason McLeod.  While it's a little scary to hear, there has been speculation for a while that McLeod will become a GM sooner rather than later.  We should probably just get used to this.
  • One team that suddenly finds itself in the market for pitching are our old buddies in St. Louis.  However, don't expect the Cardinals to jump into the Jeff Samardzija sweepstakes just yet.  Aside from being unlikely to give top prospects to a division rival, word from Tampa Bay is that they've been scouting Rays' ace David Price.  They could still end up doing the Cubs a favor, though.  If they beat the best offers of the Blue Jays and Giants on Price, they will leave those clubs with no options other than the Cubs.
  • Jason Hammel spoke with Jesse Rogers regarding his future.  Hammel gives the standard reply that he might come back if he was traded.  The difference, however, is that he actually sounds like he means it: "I would assume they are pretty happy with my body of work so far and if a trade happens it happens but I guarantee, say I was to go to another team, I love it here. I guarantee you they wouldn't be opposed to bringing me back next year."

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  • I know it's setting myself up for terrible disappointment, but for me, any Shark trade that doesn't bring back Bundy will be a terrible in my mind.

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    In reply to cubbie steve:

    Yeah, that's kinda like saying if Kris Bryant isn't a Hall of Fame caliber player he's a disappointment. Lower those sights a bit. ;-)

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Agreed Mike, but the tenor of this piece is a Samardzija trade to KC for a questionable 25 year old lefty. I can see where Cubbie Steve is coming from. The only way that remotely interests me is if Duffy's a secondary piece. He can't be the primary piece. It's got to start with Zimmer.

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    In reply to Boogens:

    Bear in mind that Duffy has had major league success and survived TJ with his velocity intact while Zimmer hasn't been able to get on the field this year (though he was very good in AA last year). I think it's possible that Duffy would interest this front office more than Zimmer if they had to make a choice.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I got my heart set on getting Bundy back in a trade. It's too late now, I'm committed to heart break.

    And are you trying to tell me that Bryant isn't the next Miggy Cabrera? :O

    I know there's a very high likelihood that I'm disappointed. That's fine. Bundy is just the guy I want to see the Cubs get back in a deal.

    And I can see absolutely nothing that the Yankees could offer for Shark, unless they send over $100M in cash.

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    In reply to cubbie steve:

    I agree, the Yankees are an odd name. They do seem interested in him. Far too much smoke there for it to be anything else. But if they have the best offer, it means the Cubs are not going to get close to as much for Samardzija as they really need to.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I have no desire to see the Shark clean shaven in a Yankee uniform. Even if they did have the prospects.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    you should check out kris bryant's hitting attribute rankings on the baseball cube. it's insanity. he's got a higher score (mean and median) than anybody i've ever seen. and that's including babe freaking ruth, barry bonds, ted williams, et al. screw the hall of fame, sounds like future GOAT to me.

  • In reply to RizzowiththeStick:

    they measure speed (bat, i'd assume), contact, patience, batting, and power. his batting is "100" - i don't think i've ever seen a "perfect" score before.

    so, it begs the question, which one of you homers writes for that website?

  • In reply to RizzowiththeStick:

    Speed: stolen bases as compared to the number of times a player reached first base, not considering caught stealings.

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/about/scouting.asp

  • In reply to RizzowiththeStick:

    So Theo's plan is to beat the curse of the goat with the GOAT? I like it!!

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    I think if you write somethng it should be clear whom you are talking about. I do not know any Bundy and I consider myself a die hard fan.

    I personally think the cubs should keep him unless they get a starter who is major league ready, and has some problem , but potential.

    Or for a first rate catcher to share the job with Castillo , who has a record of sitting out part of the year.

    Anyway who is bundy?

  • In reply to race:

    Dylan Bundy... Top pitching prospect in baseball over the past few years, but had TJS. If you don't know who he is I don't think you can label yourself "die hard" in the least.

  • In reply to nmu’catsbball:

    You can still be a die hard cubs fan and not know as much information as some other people.

  • In reply to JLynch2247:

    Very true.

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    In reply to race:

    Dylan Bundy.

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    In reply to race:

    Sorry, clicked before I could finish my thought.

    Dylan Bundy, now 21 years old, was the 4th overall pick (Baltimore) in the draft in 2011. He was ranked the #15 prospect in all of MLB pre 2014.

  • In reply to race:

    Sorry. I didn't figure anyone on this blog would not know that Bundy is Dylan Bundy.

  • In reply to race:

    Al Bundy! You know the guy who scored 4 touch downs in his high school football game?!? :)

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    I agree that I want someone like Bundy, Giolito, etc. Unlikely unfortunately, but that is my hope.

  • In reply to springs:

    Bundy, Giolito and J Gray are my favorites :)

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    I agree. Shark is already an ace caliber pitcher. Least number 2. I would expect alot for him.

  • Can't remember where I read it, but when Whiteside was released, his spot on the 40 man roster was taken by Tsuyoshi Wada and the speculation was it was done due to the fact a trade of Shark or Hammel was immanent.

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    In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    I hadn't seen that but I doubt it means a deal is imminent. He had a clause in his contract that allowed him to opt out if he wasn't put on the 40 man. I don't doubt that he will get serious consideration if/when Shark and Hammel are traded but I think this particular move was just about keeping him around.

    https://twitter.com/BruceMiles2112/status/480773446021177345

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    In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    He technically hasn't been released, merely designated for assignment (DFA). If he's not claimed on waivers, the Cubs have ten days to outright him to the minors (which would require his approval due to service time), trade him, or give him his outright release.
    Several catchers have recently moved up in the system and with Lopez and the recently promoted Luis Flores at Iowa, I do believe Whiteside will be released, it just hasn't officially happened yet.

  • I'm not sure how soon those trades will take place, but I think it means they value him for the season. Wada, Rusin, and Hendricks will all probably fill in when these guys are dealt.

  • Not sure I'd be happy with Duffy as the main piece in Shark deal. But if Zimmer, Ventura, or Manea are involved I get more excited. Binford isn't a bad option either.

  • In reply to NathanE:

    Don't hold your breath on Ventura. He is already their #2 and isn't going anywhere. I would be interested in Duffy, Zimmer and a couple of lower level guys.

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    I have mostly hesitations about Duffy being the center as well. Not that I am against acquiring such a live arm but he needs to be more of a peripheral guy. I do not think his value is the same as a 30-40 draft pick with his injury history. So that means that keeping Shark would actually hold more value unless there is a lot more added.

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    In reply to Richard Hood:

    To be fair, we don't know that he *is* the center. Or even in the deal at all. Just a name the Royals writers are mentioning. Could be inside information. Could be pulled out of the air. The fun of rumors season. :)

  • If Duffy is the centerpiece, let's just wait until next year if this is the best we can acquire for Jeff.

  • In reply to givejonadollar:

    I agree. I can't imagine that Theo and Jed went from asking for Sanchez and Stroman to settling for a deal with KC that doesn't start with Manea.

  • Yeah it sounds like Duffy wouldn't be the main centerpiece but a good second piece. Could be the main piece in a Hammel deal however....

  • I thought we would need two possible impact players for Jeff? So why are we not also bringing up manea or zimmer also?

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    Not too sad about the Braves dropping out. None of their guys seem interesting.

    Otherwise, I echo the previous sentiment that Duffy sounds like a good secondary piece, not so much #1, unless for Hammel.

    2013 Zimmer would've excited me. Shoulder injury Summer makes me nervous. Pineda came back... Then went right back out.

  • Prediction time:

    Cards jump the gun on trade season and beat the Dodgers on Price. Dodgers are infuriated and trade for Shark and the Cubs acquire Joc Pederson, Julio Urias, and Zach Lee.

    Toronto sends Daniel Norris to the Cubs for Hammell

    Someone sends us 2 quality A-AA guys for Valbuena, or he's included in the Hammel deal to Toronoto since their 3B will be out for a few weeks.

    And another team offers us a lifetime subscription to Playboy for Edwin Jackson. The kicker though is it's only the Braille version.

  • In reply to Kicker of Elves:

    I was laughing pretty hard before I got to the "Braille" portion of the joke. Always a classic when you can sneak a non-traditional language into a joke.

  • Az Phil brought up a good point recently, which is that some trades (Hammel and others, not likely Shark) will probably occur on July 2nd. Last year the Cubs made multiple deals around that time to acquire some intl signing cap. This year we will be sellers and probably include some of our budget in any deal.

  • In reply to springs:

    I believe we can only trade our big IFA chip to the Marlins or Astros.

  • In reply to nmu’catsbball:

    Or another team can take it and count it for less than full amount (it can be up to 50%). Otherwise, a deal (or perhaps three team deal) with the Marlins might make sense.

  • In reply to nmu’catsbball:

    Any team can trade for our top slot and then trade away any of their slots to get back to the limit of what they can use.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Wouldn't they just be running in place then..?

  • In reply to nmu’catsbball:

    No. Because they can accumulate and spend total of 150%? of their original total.

    For instance, say the Orioles have $500,000 (arbitrary number) for their slots. They could add however much they wanted, but could only spend an extra $250,000 of whatever they got.

    If they got a $1M slot from another team, they'd have a total of $1.5M but could only use the $750,000 of that. They could still trade the other $750,000 of slot money to another team.

    So in the end, they'd gain an extra $250,000 in slot money to spend for themselves, and gain an extra, possibly valuable, $750,000 to trade.

    Now, if a trade is made to one of the teams with a high level slot amount, they could keep even more.

    The important thing is that you can keep and spend an extra 50%, I believe, over your original amount. The excess can be traded. It isn't like that isn't a commodity.

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    If we net Pederson , Urias and Lee for Shark. Don't wake me up !!!
    Cause I am dreaming.

    Norris for Hammel doesn't sound too far off , but if Valbuena is added they better add to deal

  • In reply to Sportsgod:

    I'm a fan Urias. I could live with that deal.

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    Danny Duffy and the Royals competitive balance pick next year would be an OK return for Hammel.

  • In reply to JimL:

    Just Duffy for Hammel would be a win. There's no way in hell KC is doing that trade.

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    In terms of competition level, what's the difference between AZ, DSL and the VSL? Are they all just about equal?

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    Kind of waiting for bonofacio to get dealt so Alcantara comes up. I think he's more ready than any of our prospects

  • No way Duffy would be centerpiece.
    Zimmer, Manea, Duffy for Shark

  • I liked Duffy a couple of seasons ago,.... and he does seem to have come back well enough from his TJ.

    Wouldn't hurt my feelings to see has as a piece in a trade - depending on what the other pieces are and whether our end deals Hammel or Shark.

  • Agree that Duffy would be fine as a piece. But no way the front office settles for a guy with #3 starter upside as the centerpiece in a trade for one of the best (if not the best) starters on the market.

    And having seen that guy give up Myers, Odorozzi and others for Shields Theo is smart enough to know he can get far more out of that same GM!

  • I have a feeling that a deal for Hammel is already done and it's with Toronto for Norris. They just have to wait till the 2nd to announce.

  • In reply to Holy Cattle:

    Norris would be a great get for Hammel. To me he has passed Sanchez for the Jays best pitching prospect with the way he dominated High A ball this year. In his first start in AA he fanned 9 guys. Norris has straightened out his mechanics big time, and now his stuff is shining. He has a full arsenal but he isn't a "crafty" lefty, he can bring the heat getting a plus FB up to 95 MPH, with a Plus Power Curve, a solid Slider, and a good Changeup... he has everything he needs to be a very good #2 starter. That would then slot T.Wood as the second lefty and the #4 starter for the Cubs, slot Arietta between them at #3 and you have the makings of a very good rotation.

  • In reply to Holy Cattle:

    Why do they have to wait until July 2?

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Ok, July 2 because IFA money will be included? (Saw post below)

  • Holy Cattle, I would love to get Norris but curiously why do you think a deal is done?

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Norris and Pompey for Hammel where do I sign?

  • In reply to bleachercreature:

    Just a feeling but here is why I have it. Toronto wants a rental, cubs have been scouting Norris with top level scouts. I believe the Feldman deal was put together long before July 2nd of last year, no way you put it together the day IFA money can be traded. Finally, I at least did not hear of a swarm of scouts at Wrigley last night for Hammel's start like we did tonight for Shark which leads me to believe that teams are pulling away because they won't beat a Norris offer.

    Like I said just a feeling but I've got my reasons.

  • Why not trade for a high impact bat? This front office is great at putting together rotations. Hitting is obviously where the market inefficiency is at right now. I say we continue to load up on it and if we need pitching later on, then we trade some bats that we don't have room for.

  • In reply to MashBrotherMania:

    Yes u can't just reject a trade that has high impact talent just because they don't fit the need of pitching. You have to get the highest return. If cubs can bring in some impact talent for future whether it be Sp or hitting it helps bring interest to cubs for Top FA as there will be a surplus of hitters coming up In system.

  • In reply to MashBrotherMania:

    I would assume the answer is that, while safer, the profile that Theo and Jed look for in a high impact bat will probably not be available in a trade? They've been going after a scarce commodity, in drafting their hitters, so what's the chance that teams who have the kinds of hitters they're looking for will give them up? You say yourself "hitting is obviously where the market inefficiency is at right now." If that's truly the case, the Cubs would--in theory--be able to get higher talent from the pitching side.

    That said, if you could get more hitting (of a high caliber), it would lessen the bust potential, and as you said, potentially add to a stock pile of assets to take advantage of a market inefficiency.

    We just assume the Cubs need to add close to major league ready pitchers if they give up their ace. But again, as you've said, so far, they've did a pretty fine job assembling solid rotations without prospects coming up, so I could find some comfort if they went that way.

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