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BREAKING: Rakuten posts Tanaka

BREAKING: Rakuten posts Tanaka

Editors Note:

Just want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, Happy Tanaka...however you choose to celebrate (or not celebrate) today, we wish you all the best here at Cubs Den and we thank you for reading and contributing your thoughts.  Today we are celebrating with friends and family so I will not be online for most of the day, but I will be checking in from time to time.  With that, I leave you with one update from David Kaplan which is nice to hear for all us Cubs fans,

"I just spoke with an MLB source who said the Cubs will not be outbid Tanaka.  He said it will be hard to convince him to come to Chicago"

It's nice to hear that the Cubs plan to go all out here financially and if this is true, it does quell some of the doubts that the Cubs don't have money to spend.  On the other hand, convincing him to come to Chicago may be difficult because of the losing record and doesn't have the glamour of NY or LA.  But money talks and it appears the Cubs will be more than just competitive in that respect.

 From earlier..

We're going to have to tread carefully here but...

 

Reports of reports are a tricky thing, and really nothing is official until the team announces it one way or another. This is a story with a wide arc and while we don't know if this is the final destination there does seem to be a resolution in sight.

I'll keep you guys updated with the latest.

LAST UPDATE:

There it is kiddos. Happy holidays!

  UPDATE VII: Confirmation tweets are flying in from the guys Ghost Dawg told you to follow. All we need is an official release. Addendum: we're also just waiting around for the official team announcement. Might come tonight or tomorrow. I turn into a pumpkin at 10 pm CST but there will be a post up after it's all official. UPDATE VI: 

There it is. Allen's been on it all day too.  UPDATE V: 

More of the same from Bob Nightengale UPDATE IV: Take this for what it's worth, ESPN is sticking by their story that Tanaka will indeed be posted. UPDATE III: 

Well there's the proverbial monkey wrench into the system. UPDATE II: 

This is really gonna happen, huh?
UPDATE: There's Cotillo. He's a tank and I'm going with him.

Now that we're here we can get into where the dominoes may fall in terms of the Cubs and Tanaka. Twitter is alive with rumors that the North Siders will be all in on the Japanese import. I tend to believe those reports considering how quiet an offseason the Cubs have had so far this year. They've been outbid in the past so it remains to be seen how this plays out but I can see this FO pushing the chips all in for this guy.

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  • well let the games begin.

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    Dylan Hernandez ‏@dylanohernandez 7m

    This is fun: Sports Jiji reporting that Rakuten will not let Tanaka go to the major leagues. http://bit.ly/1gVoTXP

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    Yep, put that in too. This is shaping up to be a long, long night.

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    In reply to Mauricio Rubio Jr.:

    Got my fingers crossed!

    http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/kaplan-cubs-will-not-be-outbid-tanaka?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    Welp. Sports Jiji just got hosed. With a name like that, they probably deserve it.

  • like John said this the only player worth the money he wants.
    Competition will be hard, but Theo know whats at stake

  • We should get a pool going on what the contract will be

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    Yes!
    This offseason would be a resounding success if we can get Tanaka.
    I still like the minor moves, as well. I like the Ruggiano pick up. The bullpen is much, much better. And we have a nice crop of assets to flip at the deadline. And a potential big piece in Samardzija.
    Especially if he has another dominant start to the season.
    Tanaka allows the flexibility to trade Shark. He also accelerates the rebuild if we retain both of them.

    I know New York and Los Angeles have more to offer based present contention.
    But our farm system, financial flexibility and fanbase make this a legit possibility. I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

  • Tanaka announcement suppose to come at 11 am Japan time - which is in 55 minutes at 8 pm Central time -

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Per 30 year veteran, Jim Allen, the baseball writer for the Kyodo News...

    Jim Allen ‏@JballAllen

    Source saying an announcement on Tanaka posting decision will be made at 11 am Japan time.

  • ESPN - Right-hander Masahiro Tanaka to be posted by Japan's Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles - report

  • They would have yo greatly overpay to convince Tanaka to play for the Cubs over the Angels, Yankees, Dbacks or Dodgers... That said... Like Johnny Gomes said, those who wanted to play for a contender missed out on playing for the 2008 Rays, 2012 A's and 2013 Red Sox... All of them bouncing back from bad seasons.

    I don't know who his agent is going to be, but I don't think the Cubs will be losers through the whole tenure of the Tanaka deal, so it's not like he's going to have to play for a rebuilding team for his career, they will start winning at some point... So, I don't believe that playing for a contender is a rule since in baseball, contenders will fall and rebuilders will rise.

  • In reply to Caps:

    Good point. Wonder how it's working out for the guys who "wanted to play for a contender" in Anaheim, etc.?

  • In reply to Caps:

    The X Reds GM Bowden? lists 5 teams most likely to sign Tanaka and the Cubs are not one of them.

  • Zero hour is almost upon us and we're still waiting on news here. Been pretty tight on lockdown over there.

  • In reply to Mauricio Rubio Jr.:

    If you want it directly from the horses mouth when it comes out follow:

    Jason Coskrey ‏@JCoskrey - Japan Times

    Patrick Newman @npbtracker - NPB Tracker

    Jim Allen ‏@JballAllen - Kyodo News

  • Damn!

    Jim Allen ‏@JballAllen 48s
    The latest Masahiro Tanaka news: @t_masahiro18 has begun his meeting. Guess that's what's meant by an 11 am announcement...

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    So the meeting between Tanaka and the team STARTED at 11am japan time, guess we will have to wait a bit longer.

  • Jim Allen ‏@JballAllen 3m

    If #rakuteneagles HAD decided to post Tanaka @t_masahiro18 straight up, their meeting would be over by now.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    ....which could mean many things, i.e. they want money from Tanaka in some sort of deal, they are not letting him post, they are trying to talk him into posting next year and try for another championship this year, etc, etc.

  • I've got faith in ESPN's reporting.

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10192385/masahiro-tanaka-rakuten-posted-made-available-major-league-baseball-teams

    If indeed it is true, he'll have until January 24th or 25th to sign.

  • In reply to Quedub:

    You can have all the faith you want but Jim Allen is in Japan outside the meeting.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    True that. I wasn't saying that in contradiction to your posting or what he was saying. I hadn't even read what you had posted. I just saw that ESPN had reported it. Of course, now that I look closer, all they did was report that Sponichi was saying he was going to be posted.

    Come on, baseball gods, the Cubs need this one...

  • In reply to Quedub:

    also just days ago ESPN reported that Tanaka was NOT getting posted...also based on internet rumors.

  • In reply to Quedub:

    Joey Leizerowitz ‏@JoeyLeizerowitz 1m

    Tanaka report is still unconfirmed by Rakuten as its believed they are still meeting with him at this moment.

  • Id have felt a bit better on cubs chances had the old system been in play. That said I doubt Cubs will be outbid they just may not sign him

  • In reply to nkniacc13:

    I agree, that's my worry as well, that the Cubs FO does go all in on Tanaka with the highest bid, but he still picks LA or NY as long as they get real close. I hope not.

  • woohoo!

    Jim Allen ‏@JballAllen 37s
    Source says Rakuten president Tachibana will soon hold a press conference announcing Masahiro @t_masahiro18 will be allowed to go to majors.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    YES!!!!! Merry Christmas, Cubs fans!! No go get him, Theo!

  • In reply to Quedub:

    Agreed! Merry Xmas Quedub!

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    And a very merry Christmas to you, sir. Thanks for the updates. I'll happily wait to open this present until sometime in January. Just make sure he's under the tree, Theo!

  • Confirmation!

    Patrick Newman ‏@npbtracker

    Rakuten has agreed to Tanaka's request to be posted, announcement expected today. http://www.nikkansports.com/baseball/news/p-bb-tp0-20131225-1235588.html …

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    thanks for the updates man

  • In reply to Mauricio Rubio Jr.:

    No probs, Thanks for the great blog. Merry Xmas!

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Beautiful, rest up Theo and Jed. Your work has been cut out for you. Now sign that sonofabeeeaatch!!!!

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Jason Coskrey ‏ @JCoskrey 4m

    Rakuten has agreed to post Tanaka.

  • The announcement has just been made by Rakuten team president Tachibana

    Joey Leizerowitz ‏@JoeyLeizerowitz 43s
    Team president Yozo Tachibana has announced the posting of Tanaka.

  • also Justin Beiber just retired, so the gifts just keep on coming!

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Did you get that from Jim Allen, too? Cuz if it's TMZ, they can't be trusted. ;-)

  • In reply to Quedub:

    Believe it or not Chris Cottillo...that kid is breaking everything these days.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I know. Dude's on it. Makes sense, though, he's right about the same age as Bieber, so...

    ;-)

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    that was hilarious...

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    This is the best news I've heard in months. Landing Tanaka would top it.....slightly.

  • Dear Santa,

    It's Christmas Eve and I know you're very busy so I'll keep this short. I've been a very good boy this year. I was frugal. I spent money wisely. I was industrious. I worked long hours. I was diligent. I asked all the right questions, didn't take short cuts and trusted in the process. I was faithful. I held to my principles no matter what my doubters were saying.

    Please, if you could see to it that Masahiro Tanaka signs with my team, I sure would appreciate it.

    But don't just do this for me. There are millions of people out there who have been hoping for a miracle since 1908. They still believe in miracles, and Christmas is a time for miracles.

    I'll put out a couple extra cookies this year for you, Santa.

    Signed,

    Theo

  • In reply to Quedub:

    LOL! Well Done.

  • Yes, it's official. I'm in Japan and reading the local press.

  • In reply to TokyoCraig:

    Woohoo!

  • means nothing unless Tanaka can be convi$nced to come to the north side . Yankees think He already belongs to them if you listen to Marchman's arrogant self. Go get em Theo.

  • It's on Ricketts now. Make the money available and bring Tanaka to Chicago.

  • He can win five World Series for New York and be a star. Win one with the Cubs, he achieves sainthood on the North Side.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    And there is no guarantee he comes close to 5 WS titles with the Yankees.

  • In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    I was just using that as an extreme example. The Yankees are pretty much doomed to collapse soon if their farm doesn't start pumping out a lot of talent, and fast.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    That is a good point regarding Tanaka's decision. The championship he just won with Rakuten was the first for their club (which they won against the Japanese equivalent of the NY Yankees). Afterwards, he seemed to be rather taken by the response the fans made in showing up in relatively overwhelming numbers for their victory parade. The Cubs represent the best opportunity for Tanaka to enjoy a moment (or hopefully several moments) like that and Theo and Co. can make that a key selling point when trying to convince him to come to Chicago. The bottom line is that if he goes to New York or LA, he'll probably just be another in a long list of stars to play for either team, if he comes to Chicago, he can be a legend (assuming, of course, he's a part of the championship team).

  • In reply to Henry Loose:

    That brings me a lot of hope. The Dodgers, Yankees, and Angels might be able to win now, but the Cubs aren't terribly far away. Plus, with no disrespect to Sendai and the surrounding region, but I somehow doubt their parade could match a Cubs championship.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    Hed be one of many in NY. Ask Mike Ditka what they do for Super Bowl winning coaches in Chicago. Ditka is a virtual god for winning one Super Bowl.

  • True... he could be a King in NY. But if he win a WS as a Cub... he'd be a God. So why be a King, when you can be a God?...

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Hmmm... I probably should have refreshed my browser sooner. You made the same point I did, only a little bit more succinctly!

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Subtle Eminem reference. I can dig it

  • some dude in Japan knows squat about 1908 it comes down to $$$$

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Agree. The coin will rule.

  • the yankees logo in Japan carries alot more clout than our beloved C on the chest , Cubs gonna have to go 20-30 M more life of contract to get Him.

  • Cespedes, Darvish, Puig fail, but now we expect to win on Tanaka? Riiiight.

  • In reply to notcarlosdanger:

    Well, the only team ever really in on Puig were Los Doyers. But reportedly the Cubs finished very close 2nds on Ryu, Darvish and Cespedes. If the Cubs went to World Series 3 years in a row but lost (a very Cub thing to do), would it really be so far fetched that they might win the next one?

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    In reply to Quedub:

    Don't be surprised if the Cubs just miss out on acquiring Tanaka, as well.

  • In reply to Ray:

    The only thing I'll be surprised at is if they get him. All I know is there is a terrific argument to made why they have just as good a chance as anyone else. But thanks for looking out for me...

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    In reply to Quedub:

    Agreed!

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    In reply to notcarlosdanger:

    you forgot Soler.

    Oh, wait.

  • Oh, wow! Nice to wake up to these updates on Xmas morning! Merry Christmas everybody!

    We gotta get Tanaka. We just got to! If he is what everyone seems tothink he is, he makes us instantly competitive.

    Tanaka, Shark, Wood, E-Jax, Arrietta! Are you kidding me?!

    Merry Christmas everybody! Merry Christmas!

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    In reply to Nondorf:

    Merry Christmas!!

  • The Cubs should figure Tanaka' s actual worth and how much additional $$ that he is worth to the Cubs then let the chips fall. If another organization wants to do a huge over pay, wish them luck.

  • Cubs better be prepared to go 10 years 200M to get him, that's my guess if a pool starts. that includes posting fee.

  • So is it still a 30 day window to negotiate for his services? Would that be thirty days from now or do they have to "officially" post him first?

  • I don't believe so I think its 30 days from the 10 day posting window

  • In reply to nkniacc13:

    It's 30 days from the day he's posted.

  • Merry Christmas, Happy Tanaka, Happy Holidays! However you celebrate today I wish you all the best. As usual for us it is a day to celebrate with family and friends, so there will be no posts today barring unexpected news. This year we are hosting so I'll probably be busy all day but I will check in when I can.

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    Merry Christmas John. Cub nation would love to see Tanaka under their tree. No sugar-plums dancing in my head, I want Tanaka and I want him NOW!

  • In reply to Hal McCarty:

    Haha! Don't we all. Merry Christmas!

  • "It is a very Merry Christmas on 161st St. and River Avenue. While the Yankees are not guaranteed to land Tanaka, they intend to make a very strong push for him, sources have repeatedly told ESPNNewYork.com since the beginning of the offseason."

    Would love for the Cubs to both land Tanaka and beat the Yankees in the process. It could turn out to be a pyrrhic victory, but a risk worth taking IMHO.

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    Pretty certain money will not be the reason Tanaka rejects the cubs, if he does. It will be intangibles like club history and the chance to win early and often.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Agreed.

  • MLB is the best in the world? What country had the next best pro league? What level would put the league he pitched in ? Just nervous what his ceiling in the majors will be?

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    The NPB is not considered as good as the MLB but the level of competition is considered higher than the AAA level here. I'm thinking if you had a pitcher with his numbers and his stuff at the AAA level, that'd be a very good reason to get excited.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    True I would be pumped if he was 24-0 in Iowa. I would be super excited if was 22. How come we see more pitchers come from Japan then position players ?

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    In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    It's easier to project pitching ability from Japan to the U.S. than it is hitting ability.

  • In reply to Ray:

    How come it is easier to project Latin hitters?

  • In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Not Ray, but their is a different set of rules for acquiring Latin players. MLB CBA rules allows for the signing of Latin players at the age of 16. Also, until the last couple of years their were barely any limits to the amount of money teams could spend on signing these players (neither maximum nor minimum salary nor total spending)

    Beyond this, as a practical matter Major League teams like the Cubs have Live-In baseball academies in Latin American countries to take advantage of this situation. (Dominican Republic, Venezuela). This allows teams to take "flyers" on many more players from Latin American countries, since many times it costs them very little to sign, house, feed, train them, to see if they have a future mlb quality player.

    Japanese players on the other hand, as a rule, pretty much always sign with Japanese teams as teenagers (much like U.S. baseball players sign with U.S. teams). This gives the Japanese teams the "rights" to the player for 10 years. In the U.S. it's much the same thing, i.e player drafted - MLB team has 3-4 "minors" years - 3 option years - and 6 years of MLB time until free agency (including 3-4 arbitration years).

    As a result, the Japanese players that come over are mostly veterans who are either free agents or top "posted" players which are sold 1-2 years before free agency. MLB is willing to "pay" for pitching, while japanese hitters can probably make more money in Japan unless they are Ichiro or Hideki Matsui which are all-stars.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Thanks

  • Japan is the next best league

  • The odds of the Cubs landing Tanaka are long but I hope they take a shot at it.

    Merry Christmas to one and all.

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    Thank you, Mauricio. Happy holidays.

  • Tanaka - Not Coming Here

    Samardzija - Not Staying Here

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    In reply to CubsTalk:

    Wish Cubs' Den could say the same about you.

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    In reply to CubsTalk:

    you'd be taken more seriously if you had something positive, or at lest objectve, to say now and then.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    3 straight 90 plus loss seasons.......how can anyone take the Cubs serious in 2014!

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Cubs Talk - Still Trolling Here (even on xmas)

    Why is it that every one of your posts is in the form of a declaration, proclamation, or the occasional collection of random thoughts?

    For some one who is wrong as often as you are, you seem to have an awful lot of confidence in yourself, and no discernible desire to learn anything new or listen to anybody else.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Looks like someone got coal in their doggie stocking today.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Ah, baseball talk... Nothing like sticking to the topic at hand...

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    i was feeling pretty good about my Christmas holiday until I found you in my stocking. you have never made any sense to me.

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    suppose the following scenario: Tanaka and Samardzija are both telling Theo they'll sign with the cubs if the timeline to competitiveness is speeded up (ie, sending on impact players no later than next winter). Does Theo blink?

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Nope, not unless their contracts come significantly below value so that the bad contracts and deals they'll have to complete to compete now will be mitigated by the cheap deals for Shark and Tanaka.

    This FO doesn't even want to give no trade clauses to players, so they're not going to let a guy dictate what other acquisitions they make.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    That being said, I don't think spending on impact players next year is contradictory to the current plan. I expect them to spend on an impact player next year and maybe even two. I think they'll target a pitcher and then fill in the position player holes where the prospects haven't panned out prior to 2016.

  • That will depend on what Theo thinks the timeline on Baez, Soler, and Bryant. Even thou its not good business THeo could say yes sign them and not do anything next year

  • Alrighty,... let the games begin.

    It won't hurt my feelings if the Cubs don't end up with Tanaka,.... as long as they don't lose out by being cheap. Make the best bid they can make,.... but also don't do anything stupid.

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    Was just thinking. If this FO can in fact land the biggest fish in this year's FA class, it may only be a warning shot for the whole league. I really think Tanaka is a strong #2 type of pitcher.

    Then by the end of next season we possibly see Baez and Bryant brought up to inject some much needed offense. I don't see the Cubs making the play-offs or anything in 2014 but others will really start to take notice of what's going on.

    But next winter could be even bigger. Clayton Kershaw will be a FA!!

    A guy can dream!

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    The one variant is Wrigley, and pitching 82 games at Wrigley with a sinker ball. Tanaka's numbers would be better here than many parks, and many pitchers, but some place like San Diego would be great for him. But San Diego will not be in the picture.

  • If the West Coast rumors are to be believed that gives a leg up to...

    the Dodgers, it's not like they were going to be out bid anyway.
    the Mariners, win-now mode, if they were discussing Price they're going hard after Tanaka, Japanese presence in ownership
    the Angels, not afraid to spend money, big Japanese presence in LA

    The Yankees are going to go balls out, you have to imagine Kuroda is going to do some recruiting, same with Darvish and Texas, and Koji and Boston. Having another pitcher who has gone through what you're about to go through could be key. Someone to help with the major life adjustment. I feel that's very much underrated. A teammate to ease the comfort level.

    Money is going to be key, but so is going somewhere that he feels comfortable, that's why I think he's going to choose either the West Coast or a team with a Japanese teammate. The Cubs have Fuji but who knows when he will be back?

    Will his wife come with him? Isn't she a singer/model? She's more fit for New York/LA. I just don't see what the Cubs offer that's better then the other cities. I don't see them beating LA or NY in money, brand, Japanese population, or immediate winning. One selling point I seen is "we lost for so long it's going to be a big deal if we win". Then why don't more big free agents go to the Detroit Lions? I think that theory is grasping for straws.

    I don't see the Cubs getting him and I'm ok with that. I don't want to make someone who has never thrown a major league pitch one of the five highest paid pitchers in baseball. I'll pass. Spend the money elsewhere.

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    I see Cubs Talk is still slithering around. Nice!

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Now I did not say nothing bad about you.

    It is Christmas Day, I make one comment about the status of Shark & Tanaka, and all the ******** come out of their holes to make negative comments that I was here today.
    .......maybe the 105 years is finally taking a toll on many of you........these Cubs are here to break fans hearts.

  • By the way, Merry Christmas to all

  • In reply to Jimmie Ward:

    Merry Christmas Jimmie.

    And to all the great Cub fans on this site. It's great to be part of a community of people who all have the same passion for their team!

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

  • I generally don't care how much $ Cubs waste or overspend. It ain't my money. I also believe the billionaire owners of the cubs have a sacred trust to -- not treat the team as merely a money making business -- but reather to spend/waste/eat whatever they have to inorder to finally, finally, finally win the darn WS. OK, I know that's more fantasy than reality, but I say that only as a prelude to this question:

    How much money should Cubs be willing to spend to land Tanaka? At what point dollar-wise do you think Cubs should walk away? I say they MUST spend whatever it takes (see comments above), but I'm interested to know how far John and you all think they should go.

  • If the West Coast rumors are to be believed that gives a leg up to...

    the Dodgers, it's not like they were going to be out bid anyway.
    the Mariners, win-now mode, if they were discussing Price they're going hard after Tanaka, Japanese presence in ownership
    the Angels, not afraid to spend money, big Japanese presence in LA

    The Yankees are going to go balls out, you have to imagine Kuroda is going to do some recruiting, same with Darvish and Texas, and Koji and Boston. Having another pitcher who has gone through what you're about to go through could be key. Someone to help with the major life adjustment. I feel that's an underrated aspect.

    Money is going to be key, but so is going somewhere that he feels comfortable, that's why I think he's going to choose either the West Coast or a team with a Japanese teammate. The Cubs have Fuji but who knows when he will be back?

    Will his wife come with him? Isn't she a singer/model? She's more fit for New York/LA. I just don't see what the Cubs offer that's better than the other cities. I don't see them beating LA or NY in money, brand, Japanese presence or immediate winning. One selling point is "we lost for so long it's going to be a big deal if we win". Then why don't more big free agents go to the Detroit Lions, I think that theory is grasping for straws.

    I don't see the Cubs getting him and I'm ok with that. I don't want to make someone who has never thrown a major league pitch one of the five highest paid pitchers in baseball. I'll pass. Spend the money elsewhere.

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    Another thing that we may want to watch for is if the Yankees all of a sudden sign someone like Ervin Santana, Ubaldo Jimenez or Matt Garza. It could be an early sign that someone else may have the inside track to sign Tanaka.

    I just can't see the Yankees signing Tanaka and one of the other pitchers mentioned above. But they will sign somebody!

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    I wouldn't mind signing Jimenez or Garza. Then sign Smarj and we would have a nice starting rotation.

  • I'm on board for signing Tanaka, and think he can be a front-line starter for this organization, but I would NOT invest nine figures for his services. On most good organizations, he's likely going to be a #2 or a #3. On the Cubs, however, he'd be a 1 or a 2. If the Cubs are investing nine figures on ANY player, it has to be a sure-fire talent that has a proven record.

    Next off-season, pitchers like Jon Lester, James Shields, Max Scherzer, Homer Bailey, Yovani Gallardo, etc. will all be free agents. I'd rather them invest some money in that market, or even commit BIG dollars to Kershaw than potentially risk signing a #2 or a #3 who may not even pan out for nine figures.

    If Tanaka signs a $60 or $70 million dollar contract (which I think sounds out of the question), I am all for it. Otherwise, in my honest opinion, pass.

  • If the West Coast rumors are to be believed that gives a leg up to...

    the Dodgers, it's not like they were going to be out bid anyway.
    the Mariners, win-now mode, if they were discussing Price they're going hard after Tanaka, Japanese presence in ownership
    the Angels, not afraid to spend money, big Japanese presence in LA

    The Yankees are going to go balls out, you have to imagine Kuroda is going to do some recruiting, same with Darvish and Texas, and Koji and Boston. Having another pitcher who has gone through what you're about to go through could be key. Someone to help with the major life adjustment. I think that's an underrated aspect.

    Money is going to be key, but so is going somewhere that he feels comfortable, that's why I think he's going to choose either the West Coast or a team with a Japanese teammate. The Cubs have Fuji but who knows when he will be back?

    Will his wife come with him? Isn't she a singer/model? She's more fit for New York/LA. I just don't see what the Cubs offer that's better then the other cities. I don't see them beating LA or NY in money, brand, or immediate winning. One selling point is "we lost for so long it's going to be a big deal if we win". Then why don't more big free agents go to the Detroit Lions, I think that theory is grasping for straws.

    I don't see the Cubs getting him and I'm ok with that. I don't want to make someone who has never thrown a major league pitch one of the five highest paid pitchers in baseball. I'll pass. Spend the money elsewhere.

  • Tanaka is a much better fit than Shields, Gallardo and Lester in terms of age and not being attached to draft pick compensation. Shields just turned 32. Gallardo and Lester certainly haven't been consistent based on performance the past few years. I have a hard time seeing Detroit letting Scherzer go but Bailey might be a nice but expensive option (in terms of $ and a compensation pick). I get the feeling Tanaka has been the main target of our front office the past year or two.

  • Can we send someone to go around Red Sox Nation asking for donations towards Tanaka's contract? "Every dollar here keeps him away from the Yankees!"

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    In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    That's funny Weihofen!

  • I can see a scenario where Cubs outbid everyone by a wide margin and still miss out on Tanaka and the naysayers( you know who you are) will rip the FO for failing and whine about another 90 loss season.

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    I think it's important that cubs get Tanaka but I feel the Dodgers and Yankees winning history will win over any amount the Cubs offer. Never the less, the Cubs should throw in a legitimate offer and see where it takes them. I suggest the cubs throw an 8 year 225 million offer:
    1-30 million
    2-29 million
    3-28 million
    4-27 million
    5-26 million
    6,7,8-25 million
    Front load the contract so the cubs won't need logged down to one particular player, salary wise, in year 5,6,7, and 8. During those years, the cubs will be World Series caliber and will need salary relief to pay the likes of Almora, Baez, Bryant, pierce Johnson, Solar, and 2014 first round pick who is projected to be a pitcher. Edwards too. The names could go on and on. As an incentive, throw in a 10 million up front signing bonus to make it a 225 million deal. If this deal doesn't make tanaka bite, then he was never meant to be a Cubs. Cut out losses, and move on and stay the course.

  • In reply to Cubsforlife:

    Wow! You want to pay Tanaka $215 Million for 8 years ($26.875 Million AAV!!!) AND throw in a $10 Million dollar signing bonus as if that giant overpay wasn't enough?

    Tanaka is good. He was outstanding...in Japan. He is probably a solid #2 Starter in the MLB which any team would love to have, but to pay him $25 Million+ plus per year without having thrown a pitch in the MLB is insane, so if that's the cost of Tanaka (I don't think it is), then I hope the Yankees get him for that crazy price.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    i agree thats a way overpay. Thats straight up ace level/Stud money ( Kershaw, Felix, and Verlander)

    I think maybe he will get Tier 2 money (Cain, Shields). Between 18-22million a year.

    Its hard to say how the injected mlb money will raise future salaries, but Kershaw looks like he will be the first 30 million player.

  • In reply to Mitchener:

    Mitchener, I agree with you.

    Injected MLB money will play a large part, also with the Cubs, NYY and possibly Dodgers in the bidding and the premium placed on a young SP, Tanka contract will probably be 20 - 24M per season.

    Before the season who would have though both Ellsbury & Choo would each get $130M+ ?

    Contracts will continue to get CRAZY !!

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I agree, I never ever though ball players would make 20 plus millions but it's happening. My impression is that Epstein and Hoyer really want him and if the cubs want him it's probably going to take that kind of number cause they can't compete with the YAnkees and Dodgers on proven history of World Series level of competition. Like I said in the last sentence, losing out on Tanaka isn't necessarily a bad thing. We just stay the course and build from within. I can see some prOfessional players turning down 25 million plus for 18-22 deals with teams like Yankees, Red Sox, dodgers,and Cardinals. It comes down to tanaka's personal goals, his knowledge of Cubs History, and a clear understanding of Epstein and Hoyers intentions/goals. I won't disagree with you, 30 mill is a boatload of shit. Just, what will it takes to win tanaka?

  • In reply to Cubsforlife:

    He might go for the shorter deal and test the market in 4-5 years. Cespedes signed the 4 year contract so he could test the market, he had a 6 year offer.

  • Has anyone checked on the yankee's payroll? I've been hearing that won't get under the salary tax if they sign Tanaka and it would be close if Arod is suspended.

    Maybe, that's a pitch for Tanaka. You say theirs a team that is maxing their cap on money and has little talent in their minors. They also have a team of 30's that will be a burden on their team in 2 years.

    The Cubs on the other hand have young talent, and good payroll flexibility in the coming years.

  • Masahiro Tanaka To Be Represented By Casey Close

    Masahiro Tanaka has chosen Casey Close of Excel Sports Management as his agent, according to a report from Sponichi (Japanese link) passed along by Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times (on Twitter). As the MLBTR Agency Database shows, Close also represents Dodgers pitchers Clayton Kershaw and Zack Greinke and Yankees star Derek Jeter, among many other MLB notables.

    Mark Feinsand ‏@FeinsandNYDN
    Source: Tanaka posting will begin Thursday morning and be completed by January 24 at 5:00 pm.

    Mark Feinsand ‏ @FeinsandNYDN
    The 30-day period means Tanaka will have to sign with a team by that date. Teams can bid the $20 million starting tomorrow morning to talk.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    That's January 24th, 4 pm Central Time

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    When I make a post, sometimes,
    Not all the time, my post will say it needs to be approved by an administer. Who would that adminstrater be, John? Or am I doing something wrong?

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    In reply to Cubsforlife:

    I thought I was the only one on double-secret probation.

    Actually, it's just a glitch while the NSA inspects your post to see if you said anything they didn't like.

  • In reply to Cubsforlife:

    It is a glitch in the system. Nobody is looking at your comment before it is posted. It actually does it to me when I post a comment.

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    Because I made a reply to ghost dawg's reply. . It hasn't posted yet and I didn't say anything bad, Infact, I to a major degree, agreed with his reply

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    I did say s@@t load of money or something to that effect, using the h and I instead of @@. Would that innocently make my comment not get posted?

  • In reply to Cubsforlife:

    There is no administrator checking your post. Arguello is the admin and he says he gets those messages too. It's a glitch in the system and means nothing other than there will be a delay in when your submitted comment will get posted. Kinda like Tanaka...

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    In reply to Quedub:

    Haha!

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    I tried to rewrite the reply but it said I duplicated something I already said. I give up! : (

  • In reply to Cubsforlife:

    If you're patient it will eventually show up. Sometimes it takes 3 minutes, sometimes 15. Just a glitch in the system.

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    I'm sorry if this question has been asked. But I don't understand the posting system. If the max is $20 million. All the interested teams will post $20 million and then how do you know which team wins the right to negotiate?

  • In reply to Jim Pedigo:

    PER MLB.com...

    Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News, citing a source, said that the posting period for Tanaka will begin Thursday morning and will be completed by Jan. 24 at 5 p.m. Tanaka will have to sign with a team by that date and teams can bid the $20 million posting fee starting Thursday morning.

    Only the signing team will pay the Rakuten Golden Eagles the $20 million posting fee, with Feinsand referencing an MLB spokesman in adding that teams don't have to place a formal bid, but have to be willing to pay the fee if they sign Tanaka. All 30 teams can negotiate with Tanaka, per Feinsand, but he doesn't have to meet with every team.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    In other words, Tanaka is a free agent, he can meet with whichever teams he wants and sign with whomever he wants, and by the same token NOT meet with whomever he doesn't want to.... as long as the winning team is willing to pay a $20 Million posting fee if they win their is really no difference to Free Agency.

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    I will try again. I never thought players would ever be making 20 plus millions but the fact is, they are. And the cubs can't compete with the Yankees, dodgers history of putting a World Series caliber team on the field. The Cubs could be the top bidders but I can see some players turning down 25 plus millions for 18- 22 millions if it means World Series opportunities. It comes down to tanaka's personal goals and his understanding of the cubs past history and if Epstein and Hoyer can convince him that the Cubs will be going to the World Series in a few years (just not the next year or two). The media portrayal is that the cubs want him in the worst way, my numbers suggestion is what I am guessing it will take, it is without a doubt an overpay that make one looks like a genius or a dumb idiot. As my last sentence said, it is not neccessarily a lost if we don't get him, it just tells the FO to stay the Course and build up from within.

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    There we go

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    This negotiation is going to be EPIC! Way over $100 Million. What do you guys think in terms of dollars.

  • I'm starting to seriously worry about the Mariners. According to some Japanese sources, Tanaka's first choice is a west coast team (Mariners, Dodgers). Hisashi Iwakuma was the Ace of the Rakuten Eagles before he came to the MLB and Tanaka was his understudy. Tanaka broke out and became an Ace in his own right after "Kuma" (The Bear) left Japan. A reunion of the 2 Japanese stars makes only too much sense. Add to this the fact that the Mariners just signed All-Star Robinson Cano, and have switched over to win now mode, with more solid pieces on the way (Taijuan Walker, James Paxton, Stefan Romero) and it adds up to a really tough package to beat especially when the Mariners have clearly shown they will not be outbid when they set their mind on someone they want (Cano). I really hope the Cubs FO have some tricks up their sleeves. They need to make the sales pitch of a life time on this one.

  • We should get a pool going to help pay for Tanaka's contract!

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    not meaning to sound like CubsTalk, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say Dodgers get Tanaka. They can match any offer the Cubs put out, they have a team on the cusp of winning and they're a relatively short hop across the pacific to Japan.

  • Given the number of big pocket teams in, especially Dodgers and Yankees the offer is gonna have to be big, I'm thinking 7 - 8 years at 140 to 160 big. Even at that, the Cubs may be within 10 million of a more desirable team. Given his age I'm all for that kind of commitment, just hoping the other teams get snared in respective issues, crowded rotation for LA, luxury tax for NY, payroll limits for the Maineers, etc. Contracts are ballooning and revenue sources are pouring in, within 3 or 4 years 20 million will not be nearly the chunk of change it is now.

    That said, if a team like LA goes nuts and gives 200 million we are going to deal with a bunch of Cubs fans pissed that the FO is incompetent.

  • Lets say they somehow outbid east coast clubs for Tanaka's services....That means they only need 24 more men to fill the roster.

  • I wish they would have changed another rule on the Japanese Postings.

    Make it a 1 day signing period.

    This is going to be a loooooooonnnnnnggggggg 30 days of speculation here about if the Cubs are going to sign Tanaka, if they are not going to sign Tanaka, why they didn't sign Tanaka what could have been if they had signed........blah, blah, blah, blah.

  • In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    30 days is fair, he's going to be wined and dined by several teams, mull over his decision etc.

  • Sorry for my posts showing up so many times!

  • Well all I gotta say is I hope we get Tanaka, and maybe get one of those studs on the farm up here quick. Bryant, Olt, Baez, Alcantara et al. C'mon Cubs. open up the wallet like Boras wants, lol. I hope Tanaka doesn't end up in Boras stable

  • In reply to LRCCubsFan:

    Tanaka chose Casey Close as his agent.

  • Just realized that Iwakuma was a teammate of his for 5 seasons in Japan, that could weigh in on his decision.

  • The odds are that the Cubs will not sign Tanaka.

    The odds are that the Dodgers will not sign Tanaka.

    The odds are that the Yankees will not sign Tanaka.

    The odds are that the Mariners will not sign Tanaka.

    The odds are that the Rangers will not sign Tanaka.

    There are at least 5 teams that want Tanaka very badly. The odds of any one of them signing him are probably not much more than 20%. Perhaps outside influences such as location, history, etc may raise one or two clubs chances up to as high as 25%.

  • So is there a 10 day period for teams to submit bids to negotiate and then a 30 day period for him to sign?

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    In reply to Holy Cattle:

    January 24th at 5 p.m. ET is the deadline for Tanaka to sign.

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    Using Darvish as a baseline, $60 M contract over 6 years and a $50M posting fee, it's easy to see this thing going over $110M total, especially given the teams involved. We already know what Tanaka's posting fee is going to be, $20M. So it's reasonable to assume his contract is going to be at the very least $90M. To me, that's the floor.

    The question for the Cubs' FO is what is reasonable. A slight overpay would be one thing. A massive overpay would be another. I'm not surprised to hear that Tanaka may prefer a left coast team. After all, there is a huge population of Japanese-Americans out there.

    One thing to consider with the Dodgers is that their payroll is already over the minimum threshold for the tax. How much over do they want to go, and do they even care? They also still need to take care of Kershaw.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Chicago has appx 24,000 Japanese residents, so even though it's not California, he'd hardly feel out of place. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed, and if it helps, I'm willing to donate my wife's cookie jar money.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Even the LAD dont have completely unexhausted resources. All the $ theyve spent in the last 2 years had better pay off soon, or they are stuck. And Kershaw will be the biggest fish of all.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Agreed, a slight overpay might be alright. I'd rather see the Cubs overpay in years than in dollars. Say, 8 years at a 19 million dollar average annual salary.

  • does a baseball contract have to be for just money? Or is there a way we can offer a private jet to transport him and his family to and from Japan As incentive? Are there regulations in salary?

  • In reply to IowaCubbie:

    No their can be incentives, for instance Anthony Rizzo's contract has a clause that says the Cubs must provide him a private suite on away games.

  • Cashman says that avoiding the luxury tax was a goal and not a mandate for the organization so it doesn't look like they will let that stop them from spending crazy money on Tanaka. The Yankees really need him too so I would think they would pull out all the big guns to get this guy in Ney York. I just don't see any possibility of the Cubs giving this guy 20 mil a year. Nor do I see Tanaka choosing the Cubs over the Yankees. The Cubs would have to really overpay for Tanaka to get him to come here and would it really be worth it considering it's still very possible he cold be a complete bust.

  • In reply to Mick:

    New* York

  • Cashman says that avoiding the luxury tax was a goal and not a mandate for the organization so it doesn't look like they will let that stop them from spending crazy money on Tanaka. The Yankees really need him too so I would think they would pull out all the big guns to get this guy in New York. I just don't see any possibility of the Cubs giving this guy 20 mil a year. Nor do I see Tanaka choosing the Cubs over the Yankees. The Cubs would have to really overpay for Tanaka to get him to come here and would it really be worth it considering it's still very possible he cold be a complete bust.

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