News and Notes: New writer and the latest on Samardzija

News and Notes: New writer and the latest on Samardzija

First things first  I want to introduce the newest Cubs Den writer, Mauricio Rubio.  Some of you may know Mauricio from World Series Dreaming for from Twitter (@mrubio52 -- you should follow if you don't already).  He's also made contributions to Baseball Prospectus.

Mauricio will contribute 3-5 times a week along with helping us keep up with the winter meetings and hot stove action.We emphasize quality writing and analysis here at Cubs Den and you will find that Mauricio will fit in.  Please give him a warm welcome and the same kind of respect that we give everyone here.

Jeff Samardzija Rumors

The rumors are really heating up with the most significant rumors centering around the Blue Jays.  Bruce Levine reported it yesterday and it is something we have covered here in the past, so we won't go into detail there.

Levine says the Jays are working to put together a package of young players.

Samardzija would likely be worth a top 25 prospect so we could be looking at a package headed by Aaron Sanchez.  Marcus Stroman is an intriguing piece as well but probably not as a headliner. The Cubs have also shown interest in Kyle Drabek in the past.  Drabek has a world of talent but injuries and inconsistencies with command have held him back.

Badler has some thoughts on other Jays players who might be involved.  You can see his thread of Twitter comments here.

  • He believes both Aaron Sanchez and Marcus Stroman are high on the Cubs list.
  • (Daniel Norris is) anywhere from a mid-rotation starter to a guy who flames out quickly. Moving in the right direction though.
  • Another Blue Jays name to watch in trade talks is Tyler Ybarra. Lefty up to 96, plus life, above-average breaking stuff, control issues.
  • Blue Jays have plenty of lower-level guys to add as secondary trade chips: DJ Davis, Mitch Nay, Dawel Lugo, Alberto Tirado, Richard Urena.

Levine also reports the Cubs have rekindled talks with the Diamondbacks and adds that the price will be high as the Cubs are looking for 3-4 top young players.

Separately, we have been told that the Nationals and Pirates will also pursue Samardzija aggressively.

 

 

 

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    Stroman is a top 25 guy?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    No, I use that term rather loosely. More applies to Sanchez, who I think needs to be part of the package.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Agree.

    You scared me a bit earlier with you either Sanchez or Stroman post.

    Interesting question: if the Jays insist on keeping Sanchez and making Stroman the centerpiece of a pretty nice deal, do they hold out for more like did with Garza and the Tigers or take a bird in the hand? (As Jacob Turner isn't exactly setting the world on fire, it's hard to say they did the wrong thing with the Tigers offer.)

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I don't think the Cubs are going to be interested in any Jays prospect package that doesn't include Sanchez.

    They're going to want potential studs in any deal and no one on the Jays outside of Sanchez really looks like a potential stud.

    The only possible exception I can see to this is if the Jays absolutely wipe out their system for Shark. I'm talking Stroman, Osuna, Davis, Norris, Stilson and Jimenez. Like 6 or 7 top 15ish Jays prospects.

  • I don't know how it works out, but are there any viable scenarios where JP Arrenciaba (sp?) ends up in Chicago?

    I know he took a step backwards last year, but you gotta think he is going to bring a big year or two in down the line (or more) and he has the ability to be a top flight catcher.

    I know Wellington is the better product now, but I wonder what the Cubs think of JP?

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    In reply to givejonadollar:

    Putrid OBP. Probably not on the Cubs' radar.

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    Is it me or has Kyle Drabek been a hot prospect since his dad was in the league?

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    Welcome Mauricio! I look forward to your first article here on the Den!

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    Sanchez or no deal IMO. Like Drabek as a sweetener but not a main piece.

    And Welcome, Mr. Rubio. Can't wait to read your stuff. If John brought you in then I trust it will be quality.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    At the moment my dream deal is Sanchez-Stroman-Drabek. Sanchez-Drabek-Davis-Tirado/Ybarra would be a decent take, too.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Why do you like Drabek - just out of curiosity. He seems like the type of player you would normally be vehemently against.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Outstanding stuff, injury and control has hampered him. I'd like to give DJ and Bosio a chance to fix him. As the "last" player in the deal, he offers an upside you're unlikely to get with any other player. Kind of Jake Arrieta, with a lower floor and higher ceiling.

    Why are you so against him?

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    He's 25, tunrs 26 in two weeks. Will be arb-eligible next year. Not really a prospect anymore. Command and Control issues. Durability issues. The guy screams BUST to me at this point and if you really want Bosio to work with a player I would rather it be somebody younger with a higher ceiling. I don't even think Drabek has a high floor anymore.

    I don't see "outstanding" stuff. His FB sat 91-93 before the injury, and his 83-84 slider finds the dirt quite a bit. Worse, and again before the injury, his FB lost 3-4 ticks by the fourth inning and he would get absolutely hammered. I'd say his CB rates outstanding, at least before the surgery, a slow 78-80 pitch with a 1-7 break I believe if I remember correctly from when he was with PHI.

    To me, he is a throw in and nothing else. I'd rather take a lower level prospect with higher upside than Drabek however.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I think I like Sachez-Stroman-Drabek as much as Giolito-Cole or Tallion-Glasnow

    F' me right?

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I'm confused...

    But I'd drool over any of those.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Well the consensus around the web seems to be that Giolito-Cole as a return is head and shoulders above the other hypothetical returns. I think the Blue Jays offer isn't too far behind.

    Agree though. Any of those deals would suit me just fine. Though if the Nats kicked in Solis, Karns, or Jordan then that's a done deal.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I think the Blue Jays prospects might be a touch off the Nats prospects in terms of offer floor and even individual ceilings, but if all 3 Blue Jays reach their ceiling, it's the best we're going to do, easily.

    I'm also not sure the Nats are desperate enough to offer that. Would be real nice if they were, though.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I like Taillon/Glasnow or Taillon/Kingham better than Cole/Giolito.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    Agreed. Taillon seems to be the safest bet of the prospects being considered for Samardzija. Getting him and another quality prospect would be enough for me.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    Interesting. I personally think Giolito has far and away the highest ceiling (I'd do the deal for Giolito and mid-level prospects). One of the great things about this board are so money knowledgeable posters on prospects (or at least more knowledgeable than me) -- I'd love to hear your thoughts comparing Talillon and Glasnow/Kingham to Giolito/Cole.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Thanks Marcel. I think you'll like him a lot.

    And I agree on Drabek as a non-center piece. He's like the Mike Olt of this deal to me. Need to have a headliner or two ahead of him.

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    Welcome new writer. Please no on Kyle Drabek as any part of this trade unless the Cubs agree to take him simply to get even better prospects from Toronto. In addition to Sanchez I'm hoping DJ Davis somehow finds his way to the Cubs in any package.

    According to the site I use for prospects Sanchez has a 9/10 ceiling and an 8/10 chance of reaching that ceiling. Only Giolito (9/10, 9/10), Bradley (9/10, 9/10) and Bundy (9/10,9/10) are ranked higher and Taillon and Gausman are ranked the same. For comparison sake Taylor Guerrieri is a 9/10 ceiling and a 6/10 chance of reaching that ceiling.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    I'd take a chance on Drabek as the 3rd piece in a deal. The stuff is worth gambling on. Sanchez is an assured hit but if you hit on Drabek as well you're looking at 2 frontline guys for the price of 1.

    I think it's worth a shot.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I don't see him having any "stuff" - he is a journeyman at this point. He never really had "stuff"

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    agreed on Drabek on extra piece. He's been used primarily as a starter. Throw him in the bullpen in AAA and see how he does.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Interesting info on Sanchez because I don't know what to think of him as the centerpiece.

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    I've used BBHQ for prospects for 10 years. It costs money, but they seem to have the greatest track record as far as true outcome, historically speaking.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    what site do u use?

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    In reply to jshmoran:

    http://baseballhq.com/

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    Not that high on the quality of the Toronto system, right now.
    But if they overpay, I give Arizona/Washington one last chance to match. And I probably trade him.
    Sanchez/Stroman and a couple other upside arms. The quantity could just kind of overwhelm.
    No interest in Gose. Like Drabek purely as a toss-in.

    Brings a totally different complexion to our farm system.
    If that's the case: See you later, Samardzija

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    In reply to Eric Foster:

    I think Gose is overrated. For all the attention he gets he hasn't really lit the world on fire at any level.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I absolutely agree.

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    In reply to Eric Foster:

    I think ARZ is still in play big time and I bet WAS is not out completely. No one wants to give up a draft pick to sign pitching, pitching is horribly weak in FA and besides no one wants to pay the crazy salaries.

    I look for Edwin Kackson to be traded too. Unbelievably, he could net a huge return and get the Cubs 100% out of his contract. When I was speaking with my neighbor yesterday he said the Cubs knew this market as long as two years ago and front loaded EJ to make it easier to trade him. Don't buy Theo saying "it may have been a mistake." That was a calculated signing in anticipation of this year's market.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    First off, I meant to respond earlier on how cool the dialogue was with your neighbor. Seriously, amazing perspective!

    The Arizona system outside of Bradley is kind of iffy. I really like the Washington system quite a bit. In my opinion, Toronto really has to overpay to make it happen. Pittsburgh, as well.

    As for Edwin, I totally see the appeal of capitalizing on a market shift. I think a decent rebound year is around the corner, but even with an inflated BABIP, it's tough to get value for a guy who just lost 18 games. Even if that's an archaic, irrelevant statistic.
    Thank goodness for the sensibility of front-loading that contract!
    But to be fair, I'd like to see what some of our own arms could do. Vizcaino or Cabrera could still surprise, too.

    I'd be ecstatic if we traded both Samardzija and Jackson and landed Tanaka.

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    In reply to Eric Foster:

    Jack is a cool guy. He has a great job, travels all over the country, is friends with Billy Beane, and super down to earth. He truly loves baseball and does a lot of work with Larry Hisle, who also lives in my neighborhood, in helping fund the various Little League and adolescent sports programs.

    Danny Haren just got $10M for one year in what is being called a "value signing" -- SMH. he did take a pay cut, so I guess that's true. I think the Cubs are going to be very active in making trades. I see that just as Jack said yesterday, the posting system is in a lot worse shape than was being reported. I think that helps the Cubs. A lot of teams supposedly in on Tanaka can't wait until December or Januray. The Cubs can.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    If the Dodgers just picked up Haren, does that mean there is less chance they're going for Tanaka?

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    In reply to good4you:

    I don't really follow the Dodgers but I know this. In Spring Training last year everyone said they had too much pitching and needed to move some of it, and they ended up struggling to find starters for awhile. So I would say they are still in.

    But with each passing day I am more convinced Tanaka will be playing in Chicago next year.

  • In reply to Eric Foster:

    I had just seen the Gose reference when I checked the Toronto Star Blue Jays coverage. Surely did not seem impressive to me. later read some profiles of him that suggested he was less than spectacular.

    I want the best deal of course but I don't mind sending Samardzija out of the league if that is the way to go.

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    In reply to Hubbs16:

    He was a overhyped, toolsy kid who doesn't do enough with the stick.
    I couldn't even really call it an upgrade to Szczur- Yet, Jays fans seem to think he's a great asset.
    I see it more as someone trying to hand you a flyer on the street, that you'll just toss in the first garbage you pass.

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    In reply to Eric Foster:

    If I was Toronto I'd want to trade Gose too. Doesn't walk, seems to have peaked athletically. He and Drabek coming to the Cubs would indicate the Cubs got fleeced in my opinion, or that the market for Samardzjia isn't anything close to what we are thinking collectively, even if the deal does include Sanchez or Stroman.

    I don't see the Cubs pursuing a deal with the Blue Jays, but I am not positive on that. After Sanchez and Stroman the prospects get average really, really fast.

    Plus Drabek and Gose are on the Blue Jays 40-man roster. I just don't see those guys coming to the Cubs - neither makes any sense from a business standpoint or for the Cubs current plan of building their roster. Sanchez / Stroman / DJ Davis would be intriguing, but at the end of the day, I think they can get a better package from another team.

  • Take the best package as soon as possible . I'm always afraid
    something will happen at the end. Using any other player not
    vital in a bigger package deal.

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    In reply to emartinezjr:

    First rule of sales: Sell from strength

    NEVER sell out of fear.

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    I'm not as high on Sanchez as others, but who knows.

    If the Jays have a very strong overall package that the FO likes, I wouldn't hate it. And Theo does like to buy low. So if Sanchez' stock has slipped and they think they can improve him then it would be interesting.

    Best case scenario is that the Bucs and Dbacks buckle.

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    In reply to Giffmo:

    Agreed about Sanchez.
    And that I wouldn't hate that trade- Especially if Toronto overpays with Stroman.
    But that glimmer of hope that we can do better with a different big arm centerpiece still exists...

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    Congratulations to your new writer. I'm sure he'll continue Cubs Den's excellent work. Unrelated, the Bears' d' sucks.

  • In reply to Ray:

    Thanks Ray. And the Bears defense was pathetic today. And tough game to watch with all the penalties. Referee show + bad Bears defense is not a good combo.

  • In reply to Ray:

    The Bears were playing defense ???? I must have missed it.

  • If Toronto sweetened Sanchez with Roberto Osuna, I'd be all over that. If Osuna didn't have TJS he'd have been my favorite Blue Jays pitching prospect. If the Cubs could buy low on him that'd be great. No idea what names are actually being discussed though.

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    In reply to StatHead:

    Other than Sanchez it is all speculation. And really is too, we are just sort of guesstimating based on what the Cubs have said it would take to get Samardzjia.

    Allegedly ARZ is still a player. So maybe there is a little supply/demand at work driving up the cost of acquisition.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    It'd be good to have a couple of interested teams in discussions. I'm actually surprised LAD hasn't been involved in trade talks, given the reports that they want to add another big gun to their rotation. Lee, Pederson, Urias, Seager, and Bird -- there's more than enough there to make a deal. Maybe if they miss on Tanaka then they'll come calling too.

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    In reply to StatHead:

    Not the Dodgers style. They pick off talent for money and minimal talent going in return. It's hard to see the Dodgers and this front office matching up on a deal.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    You're right--LAD doesn't have any space left after they signed Haren for $10M. I don't love that signing if I'm an LA fan.

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    In reply to StatHead:

    Problem is Osuna left this season with a major injury. I'd rather have a "recovered" Drabek to go along with Sanchez.

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    TJS is the only reason we'd have a prayer of snagging both Osuna and Sanchez. I'm just biased towards guys with the best stuff, but I'd definitely take Osuna/Sanchez or Osuna/Stroman as the core of a deal for Shark.

    Blue Jays blog that has some nice video on Osuna - http://jaysjournal.com/2013/09/18/2013-toronto-blue-jays-top-prospects-2-roberto-boss-osuna/

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    In reply to StatHead:

    I guess. So, are you saying that Shark can only be traded like Malholm for these injured players?

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    No definitely not, I think the Cubs could get healthy top prospects if they prefer them to Sanchez/Osuna.

    I just don't think you could get 2 healthy pitchers with the ceilings of Osuna/Sanchez as the core of the deal. It's hard to say if Sanchez/Osuna would even be on the table from the Jays. Kinda fun making up scenarios though.

  • Off topic, with the Cards dealing Freeze to Angels and Peralta coming in to play shortstop, who is their third baseman?

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    In reply to kevie:

    I believe they are moving Carpenter over to 3B.

  • In reply to kevie:

    Matt Carpenter and they'll have Kolton Wong start at 2B.

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    In reply to kevie:

    Matt Carpenter

  • In reply to kevie:

    Matt Carpenter was a 3b in the minors. Theyll move him to 3rd.

  • I'd love to see Ricky Romero thrown in as an afterthought. See what Bosio could do with him?

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    In reply to mph1977:

    I thought about this as well.

  • in a samardzija deal with toronto im insisting on sanchez, i would want one of stroman or norris, id like tirado as a low level high upside guy and id like drabek as throw in piece.

    garza got us edwards, grimm, ramirez and olt, so i think that sanchez, norris, tirado and drabek should be good for 2 years of samardzija

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    Let me throw something out there. If the Blue Jays want to compete next year, they have to improve on their production at catcher and left field, as well. The Cubs could be one-stop-shopping for them. Catcher is particularly problematic because we really don't have anyone to fill in that slot if we trade Castillo, but if the Blue Jays really are willing to empty out their minors for a package of Samardzija-Castillo-Schierholtz, it might be win for both teams.

    And by "empty out the minors," I'm talking a package of Sanchez-Stroman-Norris and a nice selection of the guys Badler mentioned. (Castillo shouldn't come cheap.)

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Who'd take Castillo's place?

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    In reply to pricewriter:

    Short term: Navarro possibly. Maybe Kotteras.
    Long term: A bigger issue. Probably has to be left-handed.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I'd do the trade then. There may then be a possibility of a trade for a catcher but it would cost us. And I'd definitely draft the best catcher we could get next year.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Kottaras is a lifetime .217 hitter. You'd get more offense if you got Paul Bako off the couch. I'd much rather see navarro return in that scenario

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    In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    He also has a .730 lifetime OPS. He's probably best as the short side of a platoon, though.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    i dont think toronto has the prospects to pull off a trade like that. and i dont know if the FO would want to trade 3 assets like that together. in a deal like this id want the jays top 4 prospects, drabek and a lower level guy with high upside at the very minimum. not sure they wanna do that for these 3 guys.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Eh, I feel like Shark alone could take quite a bit from them.

    Castillo was pretty much our best player last year, super young, hasn't reached his potential, and totally controlled.

    The jays, IMO, don't have the prospects to make that happen.

    The Dbacks and Bucs do, but won't.

    I think Castillo is a core piece. I'm not interested in moving him.

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    In reply to Giffmo:

    That's a fair response. And short term it's definitely worth keeping him.

    If Olt IS healthy and takes the 3B job next spring, though, I think Castillo's time in Chicago is short.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I'm confused. How is Olt's success tied to Castillo's departure?

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    In reply to Giffmo:

    If Olt makes it, he's righty, Baez and Bryant are almost locks to be on the team, they're right handed, and Castro is already there as a right hander. That's four of eight slots for right handers. If you assume Almora will be in center one way or another, which I do, that's five of eight. You really need 3 of eight lefties or switch hitters, so Castillo has to go.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Oh. OK.

    I disagree personally, on the urgency of "balance". It's a great thing to have, sure, but it's a luxury.

    Castillo hasn't shown a dramatic weakens vs lefties, even posting a .337 OBP vs lefties in '13. As long as he isn't getting eaten up, I see no reason to deal such a strong player.

    And while we're this terrible, I think we just need to find people who can hit, period. Right, Left, through their legs, whatever.

    My opinion, to each their own.

    Although to improve balance, I'd kill to nab Yasmani Grandal when he becomes a FA.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    The Jays don't have the prospects for a trade like that.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I like this in theory!
    But I don't think Toronto is deep enough to totally disassemble the farm in order to give up fair value for both Samardzija AND Castillo.
    If tossing in Nate ensures we get BOTH Sanchez and Stroman with a couple other lower level, projectable arms and a lottery ticket with Drabek...I'd do it.

    Trading Castillo handcuffs us to Saltamalacchia. Which is okay on the short term. But that leaves us scrambling in the shallow end of our position player talent. We're deep everywhere except behind the plate. I really prefer to keep Wellington.

  • Toronto was 14 games under .500, last in the AL East in 2013, and now they are supposedly sending a package of top prospects to the Cubs for Jeff Samardzija??? OK, but I hope the Cubs FO is careful and hangs tough on this one. I like Samardzija and would only trade him for a premium package.

  • In reply to Cleme:

    Well...Correct me if I am wrong, but Redsox finished at the bottom the year before they won world series?

  • I believe in this FO and I hope there are two things they are trying to achieve with this trade rumor to Toronto. 1) Is to make Toronto show us what they're willing to offer for Jeff, if they make an exceptional offer our FO will make the deal. 2) In the mean time it is possible that the FO understands Samardzija grew up in Indiana and the thought of moving to Toronto may help make him want to sign a more friendly extension with the Cubs.

  • You know what would be great? If we could just accept cash for Shark, a lot of it, and use that to go get Tanaka.

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    John, Loxas wrote, "Toronto knows that pitching prospect Aaron Sanchez must be included in the package."

    can you expand on this from your personal conversations with Tom?

    Also, Stroman was lights out in the AFL but is only 5' 9" - who do you feel has the better future, Stroman or Sanchez?

  • In reply to SKMD:

    I prefer to have Sanchez, though I'm a big fan of Stroman despite his height. He does create a bit of leverage in his delivery. Some pitchers pitch "taller" while others sometimes pitch "smaller" than they are. I think Stroman's height is an issue but I think he does an excellent job of minimizing it. That said, the deal has to start with Sanchez if you're the Cubs or it doesn't get done.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    thanks!

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    The Yankees are the Yankees again:

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 1m
    yankees talking to beltran, drew, ellsbury, choo, kuroda & others while trying for cano confab. http://cbsprt.co/1chu9zm

  • Saw that Loxas article. Think he mentioned Toronto wants deal done before Thanksgiving.

  • In reply to pricewriter:

    Our Thanksgiving or theirs?

  • In reply to SouthBender:

    Haaah!

  • In reply to SouthBender:

    Nicely played :)

  • The the Red Birds get a great deal on Peralta or what?

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    In reply to Oneear:

    It's really annoying. I'm just waiting for them to announce they've re-signed Beltran for less than anyone expected.

  • In reply to Oneear:

    Not sure i think that getting Peralta for 4/$52M is a great deal.

    Guy is weak defensively and is coming off a suspension. What will he be like playing clean? How will his defense play out?

    Sounds like a risky move on their part.

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    In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    He was asking for 5/75, so this is a discount, but I wouldn't be comfortable with the Cubs making this offer. It requires a good case to be fair value.

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    In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    He's not THAT weak defensively. He could have better range. There's still a chance the Cards could pursue a SS, move him to second and trade Wong, move him to third, put Wong at second and trade Carpenter, or put Craig in the OF and get another IF stick. Lots of options. But I think they have one move coming, just my random, unreferenced opinion.

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    In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    He's posted a positive dWAR every season of his career. He's no defensive whiz, but he isn't weak.

  • In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    If Peralta plays SS on that astro turf he'll hurt their defense. He has no range and never did.

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    In reply to rockyje:

    I am not sure the cards play on turf anymore, but I agree he's one injury away from severely limited range.

    If he's the player he was on steroids, then it's a good deal, but who really is the same player they were off steroids ( besides of course Ryan Braun )

    They could also move him to 3rd if they do get another SS. Just think th cards are way too right handed. If they don't sign Beltran, Matt carpenter is there only regular lefty ( Wong too if he starts)

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    In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Well boujous is lefty. They have zero left handed pop though unless John jay becomes a power hitter this winter

  • In reply to Oneear:

    At 32 years old, they just made Peralta the 4th highest paid ss in baseball, on a 4 year deal. Career ops plus of 101, lifetime average, .268.
    In 2012 he hit .239 with .305 on base(year before getting busted for steroids of course). Massive overpay to me.

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    And?

    They don't need a star. They just need a guy that won't hurt the team like Kozma was.

    After a year of Kozma, if Peralta only manages his career averages of 268/330/425, that will still be a massive upgrade over last year.

    The Cards have all the pieces necessary to get a star SS if they wanted, but they didn't have to give up anything over this significant upgrade. He didn't get a QO, so they don't even forfeit a draft pick.

    The money isn't significant enough to matter. The Cards can easily afford.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Point is, he is really not a very good player, look at his numbers. Obvious the steroids were helping. Tigers wouldn't even risk a one year 14 mil offer to get a draft pick, is all we need to know.

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    His career stats are pretty good. not great, but he is good. A 330 OBp in that lineup will play just fine.

    And again, I emphasize, all they needed was not terrible, because Kozma was terrible.

    And chances are the reason the didn't offer Peralta a QO, is because he probably would've taken it and they just traded for a young SS this past deadline.

    It's REALLY popular to crap on everything the Cards do because they're the Cards but pretending this was a bad signing is silly. They upgraded their weakest position without giving up anything but money they can easily afford.
    Every other option would've involved them dealing from their stable of young power arms, which is arguably the rarest asset in baseball today.

  • Some notes/info I found on a Blue Jays (Mop Up Duty) blog regarding Stroman & Sanchez

    Marcus Stroman:

    Stroman is an undersized right handed pitcher, picked 22nd overall with the Blue Jays’ first pick of the 2012 draft. This season, playing in AA New Hampshire, Stroman put together : 111.2 IP, 129 K, 27 BB, 99 H for a 3.30 ERA. He finished up 2013 in the Arizona Fall League, holding opposing hitters to a .186 average while striking out 10.03/9IP.

    Kyle Boddy of the Hardball Times had this to say about Stroman:

    "I assume that Stroman will spend a few months in Triple-A in 2014 with the idea of delaying his service time in addition to getting him some extra work as a starter. Not that he really needs it.

    My bet is on him proving that the detractors who talked him down in 2012 were wrong. His stuff and his command were comparable to anyone in the draft—even Kevin Gausman and Michael Wacha (who had seriously diminished stuff and looked nothing like he does now, I might add).

    Stroman dropped because of myths he’s about to shatter. The issue, of course, is that Lincecum already did this and we haven’t yet learned our lesson. Fortunately, lessons that go unlearned allow for market inefficiencies to be exploited by teams who are willing to see the truth."

    Aaron Sanchez:

    Aaron Sanchez is the Toronto Blue Jays’ #1 prospect with ace potential. Ranked #4 on MLB’s AFL Top 20 prospects ranking (and #1 starter), Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo had this to say about the 6’4″ right-hander:

    "The best starter in the AFL, Sanchez dominated hitters. He has top-of-the-rotation stuff and is ready for a move to the upper levels of Toronto’s system."

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I agree with the assessment of Stroman. IMO he's the prize in the Jays system, but he doesn't fit the traditional profile of what scouts look for (i.e. he's too short). As the quoted blogger aptly pointed out, that hasn't stopped guys like Lincecum from succeeding.

    Another worthwhile note regarding Stroman's AA season is that he essentially jumped straight from college to AA and completely dominated at that level.

    The sense that I get from the Cubs' FO is that, while they greatly emphasize traditional scouting and its utility, they don't buy into some of the cookie-cutter stereotypes regarding size, etc. I think we can observe that based on their pursuit and valuing of Edwards.

    IMO, Stroman is the only guy in the Jays' system who is LIKELY to be a better pitcher than Shark. Other guys like Sanchez have a shot at it, but with all the attrition among pitching prospects, I wouldn't say that Sanchez is LIKELY to be better than Shark, because he really hasn't been dominant. The fact that Shark never dominated in the minors is besides the point; regardless of that, guys who don't dominate in the minors can't be seen as GOOD bets (>50/50) to be more than a back-of-rotation starter.

  • What does being "close" to a deal mean? That there is one piece left to work out? That the players haven't been notified?

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    Cancel the order on the Aaron Sanchez shirseys (h/t Mike Caldwell):

    Julie DiCaro ‏@JulieDiCaro 1h
    Source: Chances Jays are able to put together a package to entice #Cubs to move Samardzija is "pretty remote."

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Julie DiCaro ‏@JulieDiCaro 10m
    I'm being told no offer on the table for Samardzija from the Jays. Make of that what you will. #Cubs

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    And Tom Loxas source says deal done by Thanksgiving. :)

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Exactly, they both trust their sources but sources can be wrong

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Consider that all three can be right although it doesn't sound like it.

    Levine said that the Jays were "working to put together a package of players"

    That would mean that the deal hasn't been offered yet so DiCaro saying "that no deal is currently on the table" also fits as well as Tom saying that a deal "will be done by thanksgiving"

    So all three sources can still be correct.

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    I believe Tom said could be done by thanks giving.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    So, what does that mean? If he's not sure, he shouldn't report it.

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Nothing is every black and white in trades. The Jays may what to get it done quickly but maybe the Cubs are using them to get more teams involved. Or maybe they hit a snag these happen. Until both side are in total agreement anything could happen.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    Problem is that he's put a timeline on it, however nebulous it may be. That's my problem. Has nothing to do with clear cut things. I know that trade negotiations aren't clear cut. He could have just said something like "Blue Jays and Cubs showing mutual interest in Jeff Samardjzia." And left it at that.

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    I could be that clear cut in everyone's minds involved but thing can change quickly too like another team could come in to start a bidding war. Or maybe this was leaked on purpose to get another team into the bidding that showed interest. Or maybe it was leaked to force Samardzija. You have to remember MLB use the media at times to push their own agendas too. That's why a lot of rumors don't amount too much.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Lou, it seems to me you're barking up the wrong tree. I'm reading your statements as saying that you have concerns over something Tom Loxas wrote. Why are you saying it here? Tom doesn't write for this blog anymore.

    One thing I love about this blog is that it's not rumor mongering. The rumors that get reported are usually substantiated by more than one source, and they're never misrepresented to be more than what they are, which is just rumors after all.

    My guess is there are a lot of teams kicking the tires on Shark, and the ones we've heard of are just the tip of the iceberg. I can see a lot of teams having some level of interest.

    There are also a lot of reasons rumors get leaked, as the esteemed Kevin Gallo points out. Nothing should be taken at face value. Everyone uses the media to push their agenda. Some in the media are hesitant to be tools for others. Some aren't. Sometimes the media have their own agenda as well.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Huh? He caused confusion on Twitter. This is a blog written about Shark?

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    If only sure things were reported, nothing would be reported.

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    In reply to DaveP:

    Setting up false timelines? That's ok too, right.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Haha. Julie usually doesn't say a lot but when she does she's very accurate.

    I think a lot of stuff gets exaggerated this time of year, so that's a nice sobering piece of info from Julie.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I'm bummed by it, but it's the first time all weekend that the stories have made sense.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    So she wants him for 90-100 mil in an extension then? If that's what she thinks he's worth, ok. I think she's exaggerating things for now. That's just me. Doesn't mean things won't change as week goes on. I think Toronto's are best shot, BTW. We'd better hope for that reasonable hometown discount, which I don't think we're getting. 2nd rounder it is, then?

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    I don't think that's what she is saying at all. She's being pretty realistic. As someone who knows what goes on with some of this inside stuff, I know how info can get distorted sometimes to make things seem more exciting or imminent than they are. Julie's tweets are pretty responsible and straightforward.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Well, maybe for today she is right. Winter Meetings haven't passed, John. So, who knows. I'm guessing then that @TomLoxas would unanimously agree with her then based on today's news, right?

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Well, maybe in light of this weekend's news, yes. I'm just wonder if @TomLoxas source agrees? Still early.

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    There are nuances to these sort of things and I wish I could be more specific but I'll try to explain this the best I can...

    Until talks break off, anything can happen at any time -- sometimes it takes one concession by one team or the other to get the ball rolling and things can come together quickly. Sometimes teams are weighing different options. There are any number of things that come into play, but as long as teams stay in communication, it's possible to have a breakthrough and things can come together quickly -- even if they aren't necessarily close or imminent right now.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Yeah, that's ok. But the tenuous Thanksgiving day timeline is something that he could have left off the story. Sorry, I don't care for that.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Why do deadlines bother you so much? I think as a writer and someone who has contacts he is just reporting something he heard. I don't think he is saying that it is necessarily his opinion.

    His exact quote was " I was told earlier in the week that the Cubs were working on getting something done by Thanksgiving."

    Big deal. Who cares? I don;t see anything tenuous in that statement.

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    I think we are in agreement, Lou, though I didn't express myself well. People do things differently. For me, I try to keep what I say simple (i.e. the Jays have interest in or are pursuing Samardzija). For me to say anything more than that delves too far into speculation in my opinion. There are too many things going on for me to speak in exact terms. But that's just me. I'm not going to say there is a wrong or right way to do something. Everyone has their own style and goals when they report things they hear.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    @Michael Canter Why shouldn't they? So, are you saying attention to details shouldn't matter?

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Lou, that's just the way Tom rolls. He likes to be out there on the edge.

  • Im looking forward to Mauricio on here. Ive checked out his twitter and some of his stuff. Intelligent and informative. He'll fit in well with John's style as I know it...facts, his opinion, and delivering it with respect. Welcome Mauricio.

  • In reply to copinblue:

    MRubio is good people despite being a #trader.

  • In reply to dabynsky:

    LOL :)

  • Welcome Mauricio!

    As far as trading Samardzija goes. I think I agree with the many who think it would be difficult for the Jays to put a package together that will wow the FO. Without Sanchez? Impossible. Yea I know nothing is impossible but really, we have to be wowed by the offer. There are so many teams connected to Samardzija with the top pitching prospects we want, we have to play them off against each other and get the bidding up. We should not have any urgency to get a deal done until we are wowed.

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    No deal is happening with Toronto unless Aaron Sanchez is coming back to the Cubs, and of all the teams rumored to be in on Samardzija, Toronto is my least favorite. Washington would be my favorite, followed by PIttsburgh and then Arizona.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    How can you say who your favorites are when we have no idea who has actually been offered from any of those teams?

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I'm looking at what those teams might reasonably offer based on what I think Samardzija's value is. Basically, Sanchez is the only high-upside prospect Toronto has, and if they're not willing to part with him, there is no point in even talking to them.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Stroman has huge upside, and multiple scouts think he can be a #1 or #2 even being undersized.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    I don't see any of these teams. My hope is that they would do a trade with Toronto. Towers won't trade Bradley for Jeff. Pittsburgh--yeah, right. Wash--top heavy farm system. Stroman should be centerpiece of package from Toronto with Drabek and Norris. I'd actually like to see the Tigers get involved. I'd trade Shark and Russell for Porcello, Jake Thompson and Drew Smyly.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    I would take the comp pick over any of the scenarios you've outlined. If we don't get a top 50 prospect, it's really not worth trading him.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Pit by far my favorite , Tailoon, Palanco, Glaskow, Bell. Kingham , Hansen system is stacked. Others top heavy

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    I can't disagree with you from the top heavy part. Giolito is easily why the Nats are my favorite. Potentially HOF stuff is hard to turn your nose up at. Pittsburgh is a team that could come in and blow everyone out of the water without hurting themselves, if they chose too. A deal headlined by either Taillon or Polanco would be hard to turn down.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    How about Both?

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    Wow. Ummm...ok. Porcello could easily be a 3 WAR player. Smyly hasn't been a starter because there's no place for him in the Tigers rotation. So, you think a 2nd rounder is better than Porcello or Stroman with additional players. Ok. Here's hoping you get him signed for under $100 mil.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    It's a sandwich pick first rounder -- probably in the mid to high 20s.

    So, yes, I think it will be a very good player.

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    I really don't know about that. I think Porcello was that and still is and Stroman is that.

    Plus you'll more players to fill holes as opposed to everything riding on one player. Touche.

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    I really don't know about that. I think Porcello was that and still is and Stroman is that.

    Plus you'll get more players to fill holes as opposed to everything riding on one player. Touche.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Aaron Sanchez was the 34th pick. By accepting a Porcello or a Stroman, you're accepting a pick that was a single instead of a home run.

    You have to go for the home run with Samardzija.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Stroman was the #22 pick in the 1st round

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Ohhh. Didn't know that.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Yes, and -- to this point -- he hasn't developed as well as Sanchez has. That's why he may be available and Sanchez may not. If we just wait, we can try to pick a Sanchez instead of settling for a Stroman.

    That's what I mean by single vs. home run.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Actually, that point is debatable depending on what Jays blog/analysis site you read.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    RE: he hasn't developed as well as Sanchez has.

    Dude, I'm sorry but you just talk out of your butt constantly.

    By what metric has Stroman "not developed" like Sanchez?

    Sanchez was drafted as a HS with the #34 pick in 2010 - He ended last year in A+

    Stroman was drafted out of college in 2012 with the #22 pick. He ended last year in AA. His stuff alone he could have been top 10 but fell because of his size.

    Look at their stats, very similar but Stroman is was in AA vs A+ for Sanchez.

    By the way if the Jays get Shark, the Cubs will get BOTH Sanchez & Stroman in the deal. Maybe even another arm like Tirado.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Nice insult.

    No, I don't. Every prospect ranking service in the country has Sanchez significantly above Stroman. Every. Single. One.

    Is that because of Stroman's size? Maybe. But we don't need to take that risk on. We can pick 27-28 and take the high school Sanchez and try to develop him. We don't have to take a lesser deal. If we don't get a legitimate TOR starter, there's no reason to make that trade.

    I have no problem getting both of them. But we can't make the deal without Sanchez. Period. Which is what Lou was suggesting.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    We can definitely agree on the last part that the Cubs should NOT settle for a lesser package. Even if we wait until after the Tanaka process as new teams might enter the picture if they miss out on him.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Hey Ghost Dawg,

    Stroman is legit but the size raises questions. I think John pointed out somewhere that a lot of publications say Stroman is "bound to be a reliever" but he outpitched his post-draft scouting reports. He's a bulldog hell-bent on proving those predictions wrong.

    There was the 50-game suspension too.

    But he really improved command and control last season. I think Danny Salazar and Noah Syndergaard are good comps as far as K-BB ratios.

    If his progression continues at the same rate, many publications think he could vault ahead of Sanchez, so you are dead on in liking him and making those comparisons.

    I personally see Stroman as a reliever in the Major Leagues. But it is entirely height-biased. He has the makeup to start and he has a good chance to prove me wrong.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Nice post. I didn't even realize that stroman is closer then Sanchez. The way it's been sounding on all these posts is that Sanchez is close the major leagues. ( yes I shouldn't have assumed on others posts and did some research of my own)

    These guys at minimum 2 yrs away, we should def get both in a deal.

    I just don't know why we can't go for some player that could help us next year even if its just getting a cup of coffee in August or September ?

    Drew Smyly is a real pitcher, I think he's going to be a solid starter nxt yr a la Travis wood like? I would love to pick him up. Tigers already decided they are moving him to rotation next year because he deserves it.

    Pedro Martinez and greg maddux want the biggest guys and they both were pretty effective as a starters in different ways.

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    In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Sorry, should read Pedro and Greg "were not the biggest "

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    i would trade Shark right now for Porcello and Smyly

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Yup, your 100% right. Baring any injuries and not knowing there contract info, that's a huge win or the cubs. Yes, we don't get that ace, but potentially have 2 cost controlled starters for long period of time and could then trade Edwin Jackson for some A or a+ lottery ticket most covet and pray he turns out.

    What's even better is if tommy nickels actually wants to spend the savings in money, he could spend it on tanaka or throw it out next year on some big free agent TOR pitcher.

    Winning on all fronts of the organization

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Of course the tigers would have to throw in some other young players hopefully pitchers .

    I am confident Smyly will put up very similar numbers as shark next year minus a little less Ks .

    Porcello, who knows what he can do. He has decent stuff, just not consistent. Maybe our coaches ESP our pitching coach can help him a la Dave Duncan and all his reclamation projects ..........

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    He hasn't proven that he's a TOR. His numbers are consistent with a middle of the rotation starter. You really didn't answer my question, though? So, ok. My fear is that they make him a #1 starter through pay and not performance and this turns into a Zambrano situation, without the emotional outbursts of course.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Here's my proof: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2013&month=0&season1=1997&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=26,28&filter=&players=9346,3254

    He projects similarly to Brandon Morrow. He was acquired with the centerpiece being Brandon League. Now, I understand Morrow has an injury history but his stats are comparable with Shark's. Plus, at the time he was traded, ppl were saying his stuff was TOR.

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Sorry, about the link. Yikes.

  • I live near Detroit and I go together about 20 games a year and at best Porcello is a #4, Smyly same. Definitely not worth trading for. In fact, BA has their minor league system ranked 29th, so nty to anything that they can offer. Lets hope the biding war increases every day.

  • In reply to Buzz:

    Yeah unless there is some sort of 3-Way trade, I don't see the Tigers being serious contenders in the Shark Sweepstakes

  • In reply to Buzz:

    Smyly is better than a 4 IMO

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    In reply to Buzz:

    Smyly is only a 4 if your three in front of him are names Justin verlander, Max Scherzer, and Anibal Sanchez.

    I highly doubt he would be anything worse then a 3 on this cubs team even if they got tough acting tanaka !

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    Well, I don't see Porcello as a #4 @Buzz. So agree to disagree.

  • Anybody else find it interesting that their were reports that the Diamondbacks & Cubs were talking, then reports that the Diamondbacks had taken a back seat and sort of dropped out of the discussions, and now new reports that the Diamondbacks are talking with the Cubs again and it revolves around 3-4 prospects.

    Possible scenario to explain the above reports...

    1. Diamondbacks approach Cubs about Shark
    2. Cubs insist on Bradley+
    3. Diamondbacks fall back in the running as they refuse to include Bradley
    4. Diamondbacks get back into discussions with strong offer based on 3-4 prospects without Bradley

    D'backs Offer -

    Chris Owings (SS, 2b)- With Didi Gregorious set to take over, the Dbacks offer the 2009 1st round pick - Cubs move him to 2nd base - ready to play immediately

    David Holmberg (LHP) 6'3", 225lbs - D'backs Top Lefty & 2nd best tradeable pitcher after Bradley - #10 LHP prospect per MLB - Should be ready to contribute this year as 4th starter and 2nd lefty in the Cubs rotation

    Jake Barret (RHP) 6'3", 230lbs - 22 yrs old - 2012 #120th pick overall has dominated the minors with a plus upper 90's fastball, and a power slider to match. That 2 pitch combo is all he really needs to be the dominant closer many envision but he also has a nasty splitter as an off-speed offering - Could be up by Sept.

    Stryker Trahan (C) 6'1", 215lbs - 19 yrs old - 2012 1st round pick, 26th overall - #7 Catcher prospect per MLB - Fills an organizational need for the Cubs

    At first glance this offer underwhelms as it lacks true top pitching prospects but there is a lot of value as Holmberg slots into the Cubs rotation right away, Barret becomes the Cubs closer this year, Owings takes over 2nd for Barney so that improves the lineup, and Cubs get Trahan as a solid catching prospect for down the road.

    I think it would be a great fallback plan if the Cubs can't get Sanchez/Stroman or Tallion/Glasnow or Giolito/Cole or Zimmer/Ventura or Bradley+ and Shark won't listen to reason with regards to the NTC and his salary.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I like Trahan, but there are a lot of questions as to whether he'll stick at C.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Good post. I feel more knowledgable after reading it. Very creative and I really think its not a bad trade ESP if owings becomes a real player and it also gives them some flexibility at SS if they want to move Castro ( meaning both FO believes Castro cannot be fixed and is not part of there future as he isn't there type of player) until Baez is ready.

    Personally, granted I am not as smart as most of you guys when it comes to prospects but I watch as much baseball as anyone and that yordanny Ventura from KC is going to be someone very special so if KC is offering zimmer ( hopefully Popeyes grandson) and him......I am not sure how you say no. Even throw in Nate to get some more prospects if need be.

  • I have to chuckle a bit at those on Jays message boards and elsewhere that suggest the Cubs can't possibly demand Stroman and/or Sanchez because Shark isn't a TOR starter. His #s the past couple years clearly indicate he is.

    Since being used as a starter the past two seasons, Samardzjia has accumulated 5.8 WAR, which ranks him 33rd with 21 teams that have pitchers with higher value. He ranks 18th with a 3.42 xFIP and 6th with a 9.16 K rate. And the Cubs shut him down at the beginning of September last year when he was on a roll, so he undoubtedly would have put up better stats if not for that.

    If any teams want to consider better alternatives to add top notch SP this season for a better price, good luck. The only available pitchers that had higher WAR value than Shark are James Shields, Hiroki Kuroda, Jon Lester, A.J. Burnett, Bartolo Colon, and most likely David Price. The Royals have already picked up the $11.25M option on Shields. 39 yo Kuroda has rejected the Yanks QO and will command at least $15M. Lester has had a $13M club option picked up by the Red Sox. Burnett has retired and David Price will cost at $15M in arby with the cost of prospects to boot. I guess Colon is an option if a team wants to risk signing a 40 yo pitcher that just had his best season in 9 years, but he certainly doesn't have Shark's upside.

    And Samardzija will only cost about $5-7M the next couple seasons. With Kuroda, Price, and Colon being the only other available TOR alternatives that might be better or on par with Shark, the Cubs have a great asset to sell- and all it will take is some talented prospects to snag him.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    They can say that if they want but they won't get him without one of those two and it probably has to be Sanchez. Their alternative is to give up a first round pick for an older, less healthy Matt Garza -- and at much higher financial cost for the next two seasons.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Exactly. I get the distinct feeling at least 6 teams want Shark and are mulling over just which prospects they would part with to obtain him.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I'm confused on the first round pick? Garza was traded. Or were you meaning pitcher like Garza?

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    In reply to KSCubsFan:

    I could be wrong but I believe he means the first rounder any team who signs him would have to give up to sign Matt garza......

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Garza was traded so the qualifying offer/ sacrifice of a draft pick does not apply to him. Correct?

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    In reply to Holy Cattle:

    Your right. No compensation tied to him so then I don't know what they are talking about w first round pick.

  • In reply to Holy Cattle:

    Yes...you are correct. I totally forgot about that.

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    In reply to Paulson:

    Great post. I just don't think they( blue jays fans) consider him an ace mainly due to the fact that outside of Chicago, not many people are watching or talking about the cubs . Rarely we're we on national tv but when shark is on, he passes the eye test. Who knows if he could become a real TOR arm w an offense around him and some MLB caliber teammates.

    Problem is, who knows what's going to happen to his numbers when he goes from the NL central to al east !

    Your right though, not going to find anything like him at his price anywhere else except from the cubs

  • I really like the idea of calling the Tigers and getting Porcello/ Smyly for Shark , tell me the win now Tigers wouldnt do it and Long run I think Smyly is a very solid 2 stretched out and Porcello a 4 . not bad for a mullet .

  • I think Sanchez's walk rate is too high for our FO. If Samardzija's gonna garner us a top 25 guy in return, not sure this would be the guy the FO would target.

  • And welcome to Mauricio. We have a Skull and Bones type initiation thing here that mainly involves you signing me up for a Pie of the Month club.

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    In reply to Carne Harris:

    I'm throwing this out there just for conversations sake, but both Arizona and Pittsburgh might have interest in Schierholtz, which could potentially make the Cubs haul in prospects even better.

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    Great news!

    Haren signed w dodgers for 1 yr 10 million. Hopefully they can't unload kemp and give Kershaw his contract extension this winter so they don't go after tanaka so hard.

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    Anyone have any Idea what it would cost the cubs to try and get tree trunk legs chad billingsly from the dodgers?

    He's this FOs type of pitcher, coming off injury, TOR stuff, and if productive could be flippable or extendable.

    Dodgers are stacked

    Kershaw
    Grienke
    Ryu
    Haren
    Beckett

    Billingsly, Barney Fife, Matt magill, and I think they have one more young guy I can't remember.

  • Most people think the cubs should be willing to compete in 2 yrs. So let's say Castro and rizzo bounce back and are consistently having good years. Also let's say olt, Bryant, and Baez are producing at the big leagues. Castillo and lake improves. I think most will agree that are position players are ahead of the starting pitching in being ready? My question is who will be in the rotation in. 2 years if shark is gone? That leaves jake, Travis, and giving Jackson the benefit of the doubt. Who will be ready? Still have couple spots open in rotation.

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    In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    Let me start by saying, IMO the cubs could be watchable next year if they wanted to be. ........

    Regarding your point about the pitching in 2 yrs besides the names you mentioned, we should get at least 1 starter if not more from what we get in return for shark. Also, the cubs have loads of money to spend the next two offseasons on pitching. They also have a top 5 pick in the next draft and they will prob take a college pitcher who could be ready in two yrs. also, there are lots of arms in the minors right now, Johnson, Edwards, maples, underwood, ect who could be ready in 2-3 yrs from now.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Good point Jim. And we also have Vizcaino, Blackburn, Cabrera, Beeler, Hendricks. Then there still is the chance we snag Tanaka. We might have a very strong rotation in 2 years.

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Does Theo have a guideline for promoting pitchers to the bigs? As for hitters go he likes them to have 500 at bats. Does he have certain amount of innings or starts before the think about bigs or is it just results?
    Most of those guys you listed are in A or rookie ball. I agree with making a push for a free agent then.

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    In reply to WaitTilNextYear:

    That's why I want Smyly and Porcello for Shark to compensate for that. And since it seems apparent that we're not getting the #1 and#2 in any team's SP depth chart, it really makes sense.

  • Since the money is high this offseason on pitching, I think Toronto is going to have a hard time attracting a free agent. The taxes those players will pay in Canada will cost them millions.

  • Schierholz , despite favorable contract status, doesn't have a whole lot of value. He's pretty much a platoon guy and turned into a bit of a pumpkin down the stretch. I think it will be tough for us to sweeten the pot on any Shark deal unless we were to include some of our Tier 2 prospects( Almora, P Johnson, etc). Obviously, big 4 are off-limits, unless part of some monster deal, and we don't have much on ML roster to entice teams.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I don't think they want to give Schierholz away. He has value to us and was arguably our best hitter last year and that was with being hurt down the stretch when as you say he turned into a pumpkin. I assume his shoulder will be healed by next season.

    Amora is not one of our tier 2 prospects.

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    The way I see it, the future of our team is in the corner spots. Rizzo, Olt, Bryant and Baez. Olt is the wild card right now. If he fails, Baez or Bryant may play 3rd and Soler would get the opportunity to play right. It's not like we're "set" but there is definetely a plan that has taken shape. All could see the bigs this year. So, if you trade the Shark, you have to get 2 starting pitchers. As most of you have mentioned here-that seems pretty doable.

    As for Schierholtz, you may not get much more than a bullpen piece but that may be worth it in terms of us being better in 2014.

  • numberFire ‏@numberFire 17m
    Seven Blockbuster MLB Trades That Should Happen: https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/news/1432/seven-blockbuster-mlb-trades-that-should-happen

    Includes a Cubs-Royals trade I think I would do…but I don’t think KC would

    Royals Receive: SS Starlin Castro, RF Nate Schierzholz and RP James Russell

    Cubs Receive: SP Kyle Zimmer, P Yordano Ventura, and SS Alcides Escobar

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    In reply to North Side Irish:

    That would be a huge win, I would be happy to trade Castro w shark and then play one of them at 2nd next year and see what happens.

    We can throw Barney in the trash and they could dumpster dive and pick him up n have him play SS plus if shark needs another friend to ease the transition

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    In reply to North Side Irish:

    Shark would cushion the blow of losing Santana.

    Shields
    Shark
    Jeremy Guthrie
    Jason Vargas
    Wade Davis
    Danny Duffy

    Not a bad rotation to go to war with, and then they could use some $$ to go get Stephen drew to play SS

    Between Ventura ( whom i love )and zimmer , one of them if not both will become a TOR arm by 2015

  • In reply to North Side Irish:

    why would the cubs make this trade? castro by himself should net a package close to this and the FO is not going to sell low on him. throwing in schierholtz and russell, this is a loss for the cubs.

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