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Cubs Notes: Nats, Pirates, Jays in on Samardzija; Wieters; minor signings, and more

Cubs Notes: Nats, Pirates, Jays in on Samardzija; Wieters; minor signings, and more
Matt Wieters

As we head into the holidays, we are hitting a bit of a calm before the expected storm that will be the winter meetings.  We've mentioned early and often that this is going to be a trade-happy offseason and there are signs of that already.  We've seen a couple of significant trades already, including the Prince Fielder - Ian Kinsler blockbuster as well as a trade that may affect the Cubs down the line (David Freese for Peter Bourjos). UPDATE: 1:02:  Source tells me to expect the Nats, Pirates, and Jays to get aggressive soon on Jeff Samardzija. UPDATE 11:44:  The Cubs have signed a few players to minor league deals.   We've already mentioned infielders Chris Valaika and Jeudys Valdez.  They have also signed OF Casper Wells and RHPs Carlos Pimentel and Paolo Espino.

Casper Wells has some MLB experience and will get thrown into the mix as the Cubs look for a RH complement for current starters Ryan Sweeney and Nate Schierholtz and, possibly, Bryan Bogusevic.  Wells is a solid defensive OF with some plate discipline and raw power, but a long swing and some injuries have slowed his development.  It's an intriguing pickup and at the very least should provide depth at the AAA level Carlos Pimentel is still young and will turn 24 in about a week.  He hasn't been considered a top prospect with the Rangers but he has put up good strikeout numbers, including a 9.41 K/9 IP rate in AA last year.  He honed his command a bit, getting the walks down to 2.85 per 9 IP and put up an 8-7 record with a 4.09 ERA (3.95 FIP).  I would expect him to be part of the depth at Iowa this year. Paolo Espino is 27 and formerly a member of the Indians organization. He has had trouble making it past the AAA level, though like Pimentel, he has put up good K/BB ratios recently.  Last year Espino struck out 9.87 batters per 9 IP while walking just 2.47.  He went 4-6 with a 3.92 ERA (3.23 FIP) shuttling between the bullpen and rotation.  His build is more suited for the bullpen, so he will likely provide some AAA depth as well.

There will be more to come and even the national media is beginning to float out an idea that we wrote about first back on November 13th -- the possibility of the Cubs and Orioles matching up on a Matt Wieters-Jeff Samardzija deal.

  • ESPN's Jim Bowden speculates on 5 possible trades (insider only) for Matt Wieters, who he views as having very high value and believes he's worth a top end starter or significant prospect package.  He names the Cubs as one possible destination in a deal straight up for Jeff Samardzija.  We know here that that won't work for the Cubs, who are on the lookout for pitching and that would leave them worse off than they began.   While the Cubs could use a lefty bat, they already have a good young cost-controlled catcher in Welington Castillo, so such a deal would present them with a non-advantageous position of teams knowing they have to trade Castillo.  It reminds me in some ways of the Padres acquiring Yonder Alonso while they still had Anthony Rizzo on their roster.  It forced them to take a chance on an oft-injured reliever in Andrew Cashner, and while it may yet pay off for them, most think they could have gotten more than a high risk arm in exchange at the time.  In fact, the Cubs aren't interested in a straight up deal at this point so until the Orioles expand it to include significant young pitching (i.e.. Kevin Gausman, Dylan Bundy), then I see this as a long shot.  Alternatively, Bowden suggests a prospect package, perhaps involving Jorge Soler or C.J. Edwards, and while that alleviates short term pitching worries, the Cubs aren't about to give up top prospects for a position that they have zero urgency to fill.
  • Dave Sappelt was released today in a move that shouldn't surprise anyone as the Cubs grew increasingly disenchanted with the outfielder.  They removed him from the 40 man roster during the season and didn't call him up in September.  The writing was pretty much on the wall as he was repeatedly passed over for promotion in the second half of the season.  He got a few opportunities here, but he wasn't able to capitalize on them and will now have to try and find a new opportunity with a new organization.  Travis Wood is now the only remaining member of the Sean Marshall trade -- yet it still looks like a very good trade  for the Cubs right now.
  • The A's have outrighted 2B Scott Sizemore for assignment.  I liked Sizemore as a prospect and think the 28 year old could have been a nice short term fit at 2B, but health is a serious question.  Sizemore had a season ending ACL injury for the second straight season last spring and it's uncertain whether he'll be 100%.
  • Throwing spitballs here...It's extremely doubtful the Cubs will be in on David Price this offseason but seems to me we should not rule out the Texas Rangers just yet.  They still have a lot of parts that would entice the Rays including a surplus of middle infielders (Luis Sardinas, Rougned Odor), a young catching prospect in Jorge Alfaro (a long term need the Rays have been trying to fill unsuccessfully for years), and even a ready-made, low-cost LHP replacement in Martin Perez.  Seems like there could be a potential match there.  Despite the recent deals made with the Cubs, the Rangers have a deep system and have retained enough depth to make at least one more blockbuster deal, whether it be Price or Giancarlo Stanton or any of the other big names on the market.  The trade for Prince Fielder signals this team is in win-now mode after years of near misses and they seem to be willing to pay both in terms of salary and prospects to give themselves a shot in the next 2-3 years.
  • Mauricio Rubio of World Series dreaming writes a thoughtful piece on the steroid situation.
  • As usual, great stuff from  Smokies on Radio on Cubs Fall League prospects Kris Bryant, Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, and Dallas Beeler.  Includes video interviews.  Check it out!
  • Help Wanted?  I'm considering bringing in a contributor for the winter meetings this season as we try to keep track of transactions around the league.  Interested applicants have to be social media savvy and be able to quickly find transactions on media such as Twitter as it happens.  They also have to be able to be committed to dedicating significant time during the hot stove season while being able to work in what should be a fast-paced environment in the short term.  Writing experience isn't a requirement but you must demonstrate an ability to write.  Lastly, an understanding and respect for the culture of this blog is essential, so regular contributors and readers would have a built-in advantage.  This is a non-paying gig so you have to love the Cubs, love baseball, and it's a good opportunity for exposure if you are interested in blogging/writing with us long term or perhaps on your own at some point down the road.  If interested, please e-mail me at cubsdenja@gmail.com

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  • Two players who I'd be interested in trading for but not sure if there is a match: Dustin Ackley & Brett Anderson.

    I think both players are potentially available but question the likelihood of needs matching up. Ackley just screams Epstoyer-like player. Anderson, though oft-injured, seems to retain a great deal of upside.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    i agree, especially on ackley. it would be great if we could do a vitters-jackson for ackley swap.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    Id like to see both of them. Ackley needs out of Safeco and Anderson is a #1 or at worse a #2 when healthy, which has always been a big if with him.

  • Cubs signed Casper Wells. Excellent minor league signing, he could be a strong contributor off the bench with his defense and versus lefties.

  • In reply to StatHead:

    Thanks! Just updated actually.

    See what I mean by fast paced? :)

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Haha yeah, especially with all the 40 man moves flooding the market with marginal guys!

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    In reply to StatHead:

    That's quietly a nice little pick up!

  • How bout Shark, Soler, and Castillo for Wieters, Bundy, and Markakis

  • No reason for O's to make that deal,but I would be all over that deal.It would renew my interest in the Cubs rebuilding plans.

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    In reply to TheRiot2:

    I agree. Cubs get that potential ace and 2 left handed bats and markakis can play some D too.

    Give em Nate too if they want. Bundy could become a monster and more importantly, soon

  • Wouldn't do that trade. We will get serious talent for Shark alone. I don't want to trade Castillo. He is progressing very well and could be our starting catcher for a long time. Wieters is a Scott Boras client and will test free agency in two years. His contract will be a major head ache. Bundy is still hurt. And finally I don't think our FO will be trading for a 30 year old outfielder. OF is not a long term need. Soler will be in our outfield. All in all this trade is not the kind of trade Theo makes.

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    Yeah I would have to slap Theo silly if he trades Samardzija for Weiters straight up yet alone include prospects. I would much rather trade him for some teams top prospects if at all. Like you mentioned Castillo is emerging as a legit number 1 MLB catcher. I feel he has a real shot at being a 2 way threat, and appears to be ahead of Molina's development as a hitter at the same point in their careers.

  • In reply to Johnny Hatelak:

    He does appear to be a bit ahead, although he also spent more time in the minors. He's a potential core piece. He has much better cost control than Wieters,, so the O's would have to really make it worth the Cubs while.

  • Too bad we have to worry about the 40-man roster in trying to
    sign some of these players that might be able to help us

  • Weiters is an unnecessary piece. too bad Spendry didnt go after him when he was drafted like Wilken wanted him to. Beef is your catcher of the future , barring injury. If the Birds want to talk Bundy or Gausman for Spellcheck, then Id start listening.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    How about both? That would get my attention.

  • i think trading for weiters would be a step in the wrong direction. If we are trading shark (and that is definitely what the o's would be looking for from us) then i want to get prospects, not a boras client with 2 years of arb left.

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    Shark for a catcher coming off of a .287 OBP season?

    Jim Bowden, ladies and gents, posing the same question he always does... "drunk or stupid?'

  • http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/30069/casper-wells

    Casper Wells ESPN

  • Has Jeffry Antigua re-signed?

  • Just heard that I should expect the Pirates, Nats, and Jays to get aggressive soon on Samardzija.

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    John MLB Radio must be reading your blog. They just "picked off" the Rays/Rangers item in this article almost word for word and then immediately after they practically quoted your 1:02PM update regarding Samardzjia.

    You are now what we call in the derivatives market a "leading indicator."

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Haha! Maybe...?

  • I'm good if we can sign Samardzija to a reasonable extension. If not, is it OK to dream that he fetches us a package of Tallion & Josh Bell?!

  • My preference is Giolito and Cole but yours is good too.

  • We can always dream. I think either one is play, not sure on both but we'll see. 3 aggressive teams will benefit the Cubs.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    That's the beauty of it...3 teams with nice arms/prospects are interested!

    If you had to put percentages on Samardzija being dealt or extended, what would you say?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Tallison and Glasnow, maybe Polanco if we really want to push.

  • With the increase in rumors and interested teams that surround Shark, I would almost be surprised if he isn't dealt at the winter meetings. Having so many teams all ready to make a push for him should result in the Cubs getting some serious talent in return.

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    In reply to supercapo:

    With the price and length of contracts being mentioned

    With the price and length of contracts mentioned to acquire pitching in the open market I would bet there will be about 10-12 teams or more inquiring about Samardzjia and a handful of others asking about Wood, Jackson, Arrieta, etc.

    If you are going to leverage the greatest possible return for proven pitching this is probably the best year to do that.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    I couldn't agree more.

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    Jeez, Texas really is in a good position. Even if they wanted to trade Profar or Andrus they could do a short term deal with a guy like Omar Infante until Odor is ready. If that gets you a World Championship you'd never regret that trade.

    I envision the Cubs having those types of options one day. I get frustrated when people say "we have Baez and Castro, so we don't need another SS" or the same thing regarding 3B and Olt/Baez/Bryant. These things always work themselves out and then they allow you to acquire guys like Price without killing your system. You can never have too much depth or too many good prospects!

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    Those numbers on pimentel and Espino are - well, pretty darn good, not sure why a team would have given up on them?

  • In reply to SKMD:

    An embarrassment of riches?

    We are bottom-feeders for one more winter.

  • In reply to HackWilson09:

    We are bottom-feeders, mid-feeders and top-feeders. Theo is hungry and he doesn't care where he gets surplus value.

  • I know that a lot of names have been floated as possible targets in a potential Shark trade, but some of the name mentioned are still a few years away. Which ones are the closest to the bigs and would be the quickest to make an impact in Chicago?

  • Like others, I don't see any value in trading Shark for Wieters, unless it is part of a much larger trade in which the Cubs get back the much needed young major-league ready/near-ready pitching too. Both players have the same number of years of control remaining, which puts the Cubs back in the same boat with Wieters: is he a long-term asset? Also it doesn't multiply the Cubs assets. And if one is going to shift away from Castillo, my preference is to go with a veteran free agent receiver to provide leadership to our younger staff both on the field and in the dugout and get more young, near-major league pitching for Castillo.

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    Something is very wrong here. The Cubs nearly got as much or more for a year and half of Matt Garza as the Rays are being said to consider for David Price -- from the exact same team, no less. This in a year when the talk is of a high return on Shark because everyone is eager to trade for pitching instead of signing it at open market prices.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    What are the chances the Cardinals acquire Price? Thoughts?

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    In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    Who knows at this point. They have the prospects, but it's extremely unlike them to move short term assets for long term assets. A deal based on Miller-Wong would seem quite attractive to the Rays.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Yardbirds have pitching depth. Trading Wong, especially since they likely have to move Carpenter to 3b with Freese gone, doesnt make any sense. They are also highly likley to lose Beltran, so they probably need to keep Taveras. Cards to me cant be trading position players.

  • Same arguments we've made before. If Shark is dealt, we want a young TOR guy in return like Giolito, Walker, Bradley, Bundy etc..., and then one additional mid-range prospect. If a team makes that offer at the winter meetings, I take it.

    Wieters to the Cubs is just dumb, that is soooo 6 years ago. Wilken had his chance. Weird draft, too--Vitters is a grade-A bust, but really no one outside Price has amounted to much if anything until you get all the way down to Jarrod Parker (#9). That draft gave the world Casey Weathers!

  • In reply to notcarlosdanger:

    Considering his slash line at AAA (302/361/873), I wouldn't consider Vitters a "grade-A bust" just yet. He could still establish himself as a good hitting right handed outfielder and is controlled through 2018.

  • Like I said before Jeff and Nate or Barney for the best almost ready
    top pitcher(s) and more

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    Instead of Sizemore, the Cubs should acquire Irving Falu. Switch hitting 2b released by the Royals with a decent minor league OBP.

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    Price to the Cards?

  • In reply to Lou Sofianos:

    That would be the Cubs luck, but Cards are usually good at finding undervalued guys and helping them take a big step forward.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    So they'll trade for Price and he'll go 35-0 with a 0.00 ERA.

  • Barney should probably be the final piece to put us over the top for Bradley or Giolito. Throwing Valbuena into the mix would probably also help.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    Darwin Barney won't ever be a player that makes another team decide to make a trade with the Cubs.

  • I couldn't have been being more sarcastic, which I normally try to avoid. Barney should be non-tendered, IMO. EMart seems fixated on the notion that D Barney & Schierholz would be accretive to a Shark trade package.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I am not sure how adding someone with negative value would put us over the top.

  • For all you prospect hounds out there: who is your preference (assuming we can pry one away for Shark) Tallion or Giolito and mostly importantly, why? I always hear people salivate over these 2, but don't really know a ton about either. And for those that prefer Giolito, wouldn't you ask for a little more in return given his injury history? An established #3 with #2 upside (Shark) seems like a lot to give up for a prospect with that kind of medical history...

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I prefer the packard with giolito than tallion. To me giolito has more upside of being a pure 1 but tallion isn't a true "ace". That said i wouldn't want giolito if theo and jed thinks something is still not right with him

  • In reply to kingpro98:

    *Package*

  • In reply to kingpro98:

    I like packard better.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I prefer the package giolito than tallion. To me giolito has more upside of being a pure 1 but tallion isn't a true "ace". That said i wouldn't want giolito if theo and jed thinks something is still not right with him

  • In reply to kingpro98:

    If they can get Tallion and Glasnow/Kingham it will even out.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    At the moment a Taillon/Kingham trade is near the top of my wish list. Especially if we can add in Clay Holmes to that take. I think I'd take those two over the players being discussed in the Price deal.

    Sanchez/Drabek is also appealing.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I would go with giolito based soley on the ridiculius potential he has. His upside is ridiculous and like theo has said before tommy john surgery is not the same as it used to be. Players are able to come back from that so well now, so I don't think that would scare theo off. I would take either obviously, but there are not many pitchers with giolito's ceiling.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I prefer Giolito. Before he got hurt he had a chance to be the first player taken in the 2012 draft. His ceiling is very high and he seems to be recovering well. Since Theo/Jed are good at getting high floor guys and we have a lot of them, I think it is time to gamble and go with the very high ceiling guy. Since we have Derek Johnson on our team, we should be able to develop Giolito into a monster pitcher, a true ACE. They are nice to have in the playoffs.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Giolito might be undervalued due to his medical history. Not sure I would give him for Shark if there were no injury concerns. He could be the best pitching prospect in baseball. I would do that for certain over any other trade.

  • I think Giolito has the higher ceiling but Taillon is close and no TJ history . I take Taillon . Cant afford a whiff if they trade Shark . PS congratulations to my cousin Jarrod Uthoff for career high 19 points Friday night and a great win in football today beating Michigan . Go Hawkeyes!!!!

  • This blog is awesome. There is so much to be excited about for the future it makes my head almost explode. I unfortunately have nothing to offer to the conversations, but I enjoy everyone's comments, and consider myself a knowledgeable fan thanks to this site and some true baseball junkies.

  • In reply to Jason Diedrich:

    Thank you Jason!

  • He as anyone heard anything about the condition of Castillo's knee. I know that when he injured it late in the season they said he needed a minor procedure on it. with all the Wieter rumors going around I wonder if there is more problem to the knee that we first thought.

  • In reply to kevie:

    Knee is doing well. Torn medial meniscus. I happen to have had the same injury after an ill-advised attempt to play basketball in my dress shoes.

    As far as knee injury goes, that is one where you can expect a full recovery fairly quickly. It seems Welly is already well on his way.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    " ill-advised attempt to play basketball in my dress shoes."

    Would the ill-advised have come from a little too much scotch? :)

    A couple good pickups with those 2 pitchers. This org has some pretty good BP depth

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    In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    Actually Dan, John's injury occurred before the scotch started flowing. I know because I was there. You see, John and I were both guests at the wedding of someone we mutually knew. There was some down time after the ceremony and before the reception. The church had a couple of basketball hoops in the parking lot and a few of the guys were screwing around using a crumpled McDonald's bag as a ball. One of the groomsmen went back into the church and found an unlocked storage room where the basketballs were and the next thing you know, we had one heII of a pick up game going. Anyway, at one point, John went up for what he thought was an easy score, only to get stuffed by some guy about 6'8". John landed funny in the dress shoes and his leg slid at an awkward angle. He was in obvious pain, but like the trooper he is, John downed quantities of scotch at the reception and managed to do the electric slide and the hokey pokey.

    Okay, none of the above story is true. Except maybe the words "John" and "knee". I'm pretty sure the actual story contains those words, in some order, as well. So, I will claim to be factually accurate on that level at the very least. The rest of the story is total bullspit, however. But it does sound like it could have happened, doesn't it?

  • In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    Ha! That story is more interesting than the real one :)

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    In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    Interestingly, this is the injury Derrick Rose is reported to have. From what you're saying, John, it sounds like it could have been a lot worse?

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    Haha :) Actually I spent a few years as a teacher when I took a break from working for big companies. Taught 8th grade science and kids asked me if I'd get in the game. Most of the time I was just passing the basketball to help get everybody involved, so I was okay.

    Then I had the bright idea to show off my moves to the hoop, felt a sharp pain and said..."guys, I think I am going to have to sit the rest of this one out." Worked the rest of the day then went to see the doc when I got home. Torn medial meniscus. Ouch.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yeah Mike's story was definitely better. lol ;-)

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    LOL!

  • If I'm the Os I'd be more interested in Price than Samardzija because of the A.L. East factor. On the other hand, the Rays (great team name!) "win" most trades.

  • That's a real good point. It may have to do with the trade cost and fit, but it would surprise me if the O's don't check in, if they haven't done so already.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Thanks John.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    This was kinda the point I was making earlier. It seems they'd have to include either Gausman or Bundy to be serious in Shark talks and, if I'm Tampa Bay, I'd rather have either of them (even with Bundy's TJ) than Perez, Alfaro, Odor, or Sardinas individually.

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    So I'm going on something KG once said about the Orioles preferring veteran starting pitchers. Here's a major 3-way I thought of:

    Orioles get:
    David Price
    Jeff Samardzija

    Rays get:
    Kevin Gausman
    Welington Castillo
    Jonathan Schoop

    Cubs get:
    Dylan Bundy
    Eduardo Rodriguez
    Matt Wieters

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    The Cubs trading for Wieters doesn't make sense to me. Same free agency time line as Shark. Swapping one guy for another with the same problem coming back.

    Also seems like the Orioles giving up a ton.

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    In reply to TulaneCubs:

    I'm seeing Wieters as freeing up salary space for Shark and Price, and potentially being a long term lefty fit for the Cubs. For the next two years, he just steps into the hole Castillo creates.

    The rumor was (thanks to Tom) that the Cubs and Orioles were talking Gausman and Wieters for Shark and Castillo. That essentially means Bundy, Rodriguez, and Schoop for Price -- that seems reasonable to me.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Doubt the O's would trade their top 3 pitching prospects all at once. That's really creative though.

  • Jim Bowden is never right. No way they swing that deal nor does it make sense. I can see the O's being in on Samardzija for sure but they're going to need to keep their big time catcher if they're going to make any kind of run. I think they'll at least wait until the deadline with Weiters since they have a chance to make some noise. Not to mention both teams would be in the same spot extension/control wise. Bowden should know that. Most of the shit he says just blows my mind!

  • John, what kind of deal do you think Sizemore will command? If he could be had w/out occupying a 40 man slot and an invite to Spring Training, I find his "uninjured" potential well worth a look.

  • I really see TOR as the club that makes the most sense, at the end of the day. I just can't see Huntington paying the premium that Epstoyer will require for an intra-divisional deal. AA needs to reload & he won't be able to do what he needs to in FA mkt. Development of Stroman & others should allow room to move Sanchez.

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    Rosenthal reporting McCann is close to signing with the Yankees.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Heyman says it's more than $80 million. This off-season is insane.

    Desipio adds: "McCann is a great sign for the @yankees His career decline is only heading into year four."

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    5/$90M according to MLB Radio.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Goodbye Robbie Cano.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Rosenthal has a similar number in a tweet posted below -- looks about right.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Do they trade Gary Sanchez now?

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Quite possible but don't think there's immediate pressure to do it. What do you think?

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I would think McCann could be one of those C/1B/DH hybrids, but they have Teixiera and Jeter and maybe A-Rod short term and they have Stewart as a back up catcher. Romine too. I'm sure they will have to move one of those guys and maybe bring Sanchez up. Then after this season they play McCann more at 1B. Who knows? I would have though their in-order priorities (other than Cano) were:

    1. SP
    2. Closer
    3. Outfielder
    4. Third Base
    5. Catcher

    So for me, this was kind of an odd strike. But Cashman knows his job. Good for McCann, he got about $20-$25M more than I would have thought.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    At these free agent prices, Theo and Jed may well strip this thing down to the studs to fill up on prospects.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Yahoo! has it at 5 years, $85 MM.

  • Robinson Cano was allegedly spotted at the Detroit airport.

    There are also rumbling of the Tigers moving newly acquired Ian Kinsler to the Dodgers in exchange for Matt Kemp.

    Wouldn't that be something.

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    Kinsler and his agent's name kept appearing on Twitter today. I can see this.

    Detroit and Texas are not screwing around. Cano-Cabrera-Kemp-VMart is a scary combination.

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    Twitter is going crazy all of a sudden (although this one is just confirming John's report):

    Bruce Levine
    ‏@MLBBruceLevine
    Teams have inquired about StarterJeff Samardzija. Source: Toronto putting together package of young players.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Aaron Sanchez, Marcus Stroman, and Sean Nolin please.

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    Why do you like Sean Nolin? He is not even a Top Ten Blue Jays prospect anymore.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    He was promoted to the bigs for a spot-start (which was a poor, poor start), and due to injuries he was derailed.

    During the mid-season report he was the Blue Jays #5 prospect. He had a pretty good season in the minors, and when he was called up to Triple-A in August he only made three starts but was pretty good. He's still only 23-years-old. Lots of time left, and he is a lefty.

    Wasn't he also the #2 rated pitching prospect heading into the season? Or am I mistaken?

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    I think that was Norris.

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    Just a guess, but Sanchez is a must, Stroman or Norris is #2 (I'd rather have Norris because Toronto fans on Twitter seem more scared of losing him), and a third player that's either Gose or Drabek.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I worry about Drabek, he's 25 now, not very durable. If he is a "throw-in", sure. I also am worried that he may be out of options, not sure how that works in trades.

    Norris I love. Sanchez, if he can control the walks, has #1 stuff. But he has an 80% chance of reaching his ceiling according to scouts so worth getting. I don't like Stroman. I'd rather get Sanchez, Norris and a guy like DJ Davis.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I'm exchanging tweets with a Blue Jays blogger, he's saying the Cubs covet Sanchez and Stroman -- so good call AS.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Anything short of that would be quite disappointing.

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    The two of us came to a rough agreement that the trade would look something like this:

    Sanchez, Stroman/Norris, Gose/Drabek.

    It would be a pretty nice haul for us. He also says that Anthopoulos really like Samardzija and, as this may be his last chance, will go all out to get him. Nice position for the Cubs to be in.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Also, many project Stroman to be a big arm out of the bullpen. I really hope that if Shark is indeed dealt, it would be for starting pitching rather than relievers.

    I love me some Aaron Sanchez, but I think that the Cubs could get a better package elsewhere.

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    I agree.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I liked Norris back in the draft.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Who is Gose ? I don't remember that name ?

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    In reply to SouthsideB:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gosean01.shtml

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Thanks

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    Slightly off-topic, just had a great convo with my neighbor (player agent) while we were out walking our dogs and wanted to share.

    This is according to what he hears from other player agents and front office people - stressing that the front office people he speaks to are the lower echelon of teams' staffs, not GMs and Asst. GMs who he says are usually very close vested.

    On Tanaka:

    The posting system is more of a problem than is being reported. But all in all Tanaka will post this year and a posting fee/salary should cost about $130M all in. He thinks $60M to post and a 5/$70M contract. Favorites in order are : Cubs, Dodgers, Rangers, Yankees. He thinks the Rangers may go "all in" on the posting fee (up to $70M) now that they've traded for Fielder and want to win immediately.

    On the Cubs:

    They are probably going to sign only one premium player. It could be Tanaka. It could be Ellsbury. It could be Robinson Cano. Right now the Cubs are in on everybody available. But at their price, (which is something John has said repeatedly). Jack (my neighbor) thinks the Cubs are setting themselves up for next year rather than making a big splash this year. He stresses it is entirely possible that there is not one major signing this year because the agents are asking "for the moon and then some" on all players. Even mid-level players are out of the Cubs' comfortability range.

    Tanaka makes the most sense for the Cubs with "doing nothing a close second." He said it is a great offseason for player agents, probably the best ever. Biggest indicator is that NOBODY accepted a qualifying offer.

    He says it is 70/30 they will trade Samardzjia, and that they have already received an offer that they like a great deal. He thinks the Cubs will move him before the winter meetings and that if a move is not made before then it means the Cubs are closer to signing him rather than dealing him. One of his clients would be moved in the deal he mentioned, though he refused to say which player or team due to confidentiality agreements.

    On this year's draft:

    Incredibly deep with more projectable players than recent years. Teams are loathe to sign free agents, even those with protected first round picks, because the draft is so deep next season. Again, the indicator is the number of players that were offered qualifying offers. Everybody wants extra picks next year. Nobody wants to give up second rounders. This may ultimately drive the asking prices of free agents down unless team owners crack because........

    On the future of free agency:

    The system has been changed to shorten the careers of major league players and the MLBPA is not happy. Bad contracts to Pujols, Fielder and Hamilton haven't helped. Agents have capitalized on the irrational exuberance of owners, and agents like Scott Boras don't even bother to go to the more savvy GMs anymore. The smart owners are avoiding negotiations altogether. Those are the teams that Scott Boras called out (including the Cubs) last week. Those owners defer to their front offices in every single instance.

    Jack: "Let me ask you this Mike.......when was the last time you saw a General Manager announce a major free agent acquisition?"

    That was a telling question.

    Fun stuff. He's a smart man. I asked him who the Cubs would take in next year's draft. His answer, "I have no idea, but I hope I rep him."

    He usually reps 3rd round and lower guys. Easier signings, higher volume.

    One last thing, we talked about the Brewers a little, since he is a Brewers fan and reps a lot of their minor league players. He said despite the team statement that the Brewers are not trading Ryan Braun, they would in fact love to move him for pitching because he has become somewhat of a pariah in Milwaukee, and the Brewers have a very loyal and tight fan base, many of whom have turned on Braun because he lied so much and for so long. He thinks if the Cardinals lose Beltran that they may be strongly motivated to trade for Braun and match up best in any potential deal. His contract is not difficult to move in this market (approx. 17M AAV through 2020). Other teams that would have interest include Texas, Boston and Atlanta.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Thanks Michael - interesting insights.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    RE:"He says it is 70/30 they will trade Samardzjia, and that they have already received an offer that they like a great deal. "

    This matches up nicely with the earlier reports that the Nationals were going to make an offer to the Cubs "that they couldn't refuse"....

    If it's Lucas Giolito & A.J.Cole, I hope the Cubs are just giving it to the Winter Meetings to see if anybody wants to beat the offer before they accept. I know I will be doing cartwheels.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    If they'd been offered that, I have to think they already would have pulled the trigger.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    More likely, according to Jack, the Cubs are still hoping to sign Samardzjia. I think the thing we are all forgetting here is that the Cubs love Samardzjia just as much as everybody else does, only that love wanes considerably if he cannot be extended on their terms. So Mike Moody is right, if that is the offer, they'd probably do that immediately, unless they valued him more than those two pitchers (for whatever reasons and as part of their strategic positioning in building this team) and still thought he could be signed.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Thanks Mike.

    Really nice to hear the Cubs have an owner that isn't sticking his nose into negotiations.

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    Whoa.

    Ken Rosenthal
    ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
    Source: McCann deal with #Yankees is 5/85 with sixth-year vesting option that could bring it to 6/100.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    That's a pretty darned player-friendly contract to a 29 year old catcher,... not too many 34-35 year old Catchers worth the kind of money that he'll potentially see at the end of that time.

    Given,... McCann is a darned good defensive Catcher as well as offensive. He can probably get some time at bad at DH to help stretch the career out some in NYC.

    A risky contract over that time period,.... but a good sign.

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    Damn. I just spent the afternoon hanging out with my neighbor, and posted some great insightful stuff on Tanaka, Free Agency, Boras, Samardzjia and the Cubs FO and I hit comment and it disappeared.

    That sucks. I am not typing it all over again.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    MC ....Not even if we all chip in and buy you a Frosty Beverage ?? Type it one more time ...please !

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    In reply to SouthsideB:

    I am dividing it up. Maybe it was too long.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    I typed it again and it wouldn't go through. Jeez.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Now up 2x -- sometimes the comment system is bizarre this way.

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    In reply to SouthsideB:

    Trying one more time.

    My neighbor is a player agent, and we talked a bit while at the Dog Park today walking our dogs.

    On Tanaka:

    The posting system is a bigger mess than being reported but Tanaka will post this year. He sees a post/contract package of about $130M total. He estimates a posting fee of $60M with a 5/$70M contract for Tanaka, Favorites: The Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees and Rangers.

    The Rangers may surprise and go all in with a posting fee of around $70M because they want to win immediately having traded for Fielder.

    On The Cubs:

    Most of this John has reported, but I'll use Jack's words (Jack is my neighbor). They will probably sign only one premium player. It could be Tanaka. It could be Ellsbury. It could be Cano. Right now the Cubs are in on everybody, but only at their price. But even mid-level free agents are asking "for the moon and then some." So the Cubs best option is to sign Tanaka and option #2 is "to sign nobody."

    As far as Samardzjia, he said the Cubs already have an offer that they like a great deal and expect to move him before the deadline. If he is still with the Cubs at the start of the winter meetings it is because the Cubs are closer to signing him rather than trading him. He reps one of the fringe players allegedly coming to the Cubs in the deal, but he won't say which team or which player. I asked him who the favorite is other than the team in the deal he won't tell me about.

    "No comment."

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Great Stuff !!! Thanks MC for keeping us all informed and putting in the "Extra Effort"

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    wow, michael. There's more information in that one post than in a week's worth of jesse rogers, gordon wittenmeyer and patrick mooney combined, great stuff.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Got caught up in system. It should be out there now.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Thanks. The popularity of this blog is insane. I'd love to see the historical numbers. i hope your hard work pays off in a radio or TV gig.

  • I was on this TOR angle , earlier today........

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    In reply to Carl9730:

    It looks like they are interested.

    Now we find out how interested the Nationals are. Man would I love those two teams to bid against one another.

    Shark has one advantage (other than cost) over David Price: his velocity didn't dip last year.

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    Cano news:

    David Waldstein
    ‏@DavidWaldstein
    Yankees also plan to meet with Robinson Cano in the coming week.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    As long as there's no "Cubs plan to meet with Robinson Cano" I could care less where he signs.

    No one will give him his $300 million that he seeks, and he will end up signing with the team that offers him the most $$$, which will likely be the Yankees.

    I expect a contract extension within the next week or two.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    That's going to be one expensive contract if they get him to sign.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Reportedly Yankees are at 7/$168M right now on Cano. I'd say signing McCann doesn't make it any easier to move anywhere close to 10/$300M.

    Maybe they just want to hug him goodbye.

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    More Hot Stove:

    Jerry Crasnick
    ‏@jcrasnick
    Free agent Jhonny Peralta closing in on a deal with #STLcards, source confirms.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Hate to say I told ya.............

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    No you don't.

    You were right here. And appear to have been right on Price, though I still have no idea why the Cubs can get Sanchez for Samardzija and the Rays get a deal headlined by Martin Perez for Price. Price's arm has to be worse than we know.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I just think it is a different market. That is probably the biggest reason.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    How a different market?

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Peralta would never get 3/45 any year except this one. The going rate for players is absurd.

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    In reply to Michael Canter:

    Ah, okay, thought you meant Price vs. Samardzija. Obviously both have to play out, but the rumors make exactly zero sense to me. Either an insane overpay on Shark or an insane underpay on Price. (Or both.)

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I posted on Price too. I will just wait til it bleeds through the system.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    My reply never posted. I just said that you and I valuate prospects differently. You have a ton of insight. You probably know as much about players abilities as anybody I know who doesn't work in baseball for a living. I rely on others data but have been at this as a hobby since 2000 so I have developed some ability on my own.

    Plus I was an options trader for 10 years so I know a little bit about financial risk and how to manage that risk.

    I think I am more organizational-oriented (from a financial risk point of view) and I may view projection a little more than you do perhaps. So I will always defer to the high upside guy but assume the insane risk that comes with that. For instance, Mike Olt is more of a sure thing than Jorge Alfaro but I would take Alfaro 1-for-1 every time. Also, in this case, Profar is much better than Odor, but I also don't look at trades as revolving around one guy or a centerpiece, marquee, elite, etc. type-player but rather the overall value of the entire package.

    So you may say, if Profar is not available Texas has no chance of getting Price. But if the sum of all parts surrounding Alfaro (or Perez or Odor) exceeds the sum of all parts surrounding Profar I defer to the former option.

    And from an organizational standpoint, especially Tampa's, Odor is just as appealing, if not more so, because the difference in talent between Profar and Odor doesn't outweigh the number of years of control. Even one year of control represents almost $10 million dollars in savings (or more) in today's market, which to Tampa is a lot of coin. With a two or three player package of high ceiling guys, the control and the value that comes with that control is a great asset for a cash-strapped team.

    And as far as the Rangers, who want to win now, were I Jon Daniels, I would even consider trading Profar to get Price, assuming you could do that straight up or with minor, lower ceiling additions to the package instead of including Alfaro or Perez or Odor, and then just sign Omar Infante, with the production (WAR) of Price/Infante outweighing Profar alone.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    As far as Price, I just think we have a difference in opinion on valuation of minor leaguers. Nobody knows the true outcome until players have established themselves at the major league level anyway so it is all irrelevant. I have a higher opinion of Alfaro than you do. Same with Odor. But if I was Jon Daniels, I'd probably be okay with trading Profar or Andrus and signing Omar Infante until Odor is ready. But if you can get Price without moving Profar or Andrus, good deal.

  • Why the Cubs get rid of Soler via a trade? I was under the impression like most of us die-hards, that Soler would be up in a year or two. Along with Baez, Almora, Bryant, Olt etc. If they do pull this trade off, I hope the Cubs will have done their homework on who they are getting in return.

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    In reply to LRCCubsFan:

    What is this about trading Soler??

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    In reply to LRCCubsFan:

    Don't know what speculation you might have heard, but keep in mind that 99% of what you hear in the offseason never comes to fruition.
    Trust me, the Cubs love Soler. Someone who'd know (and we'll leave it at that) recently told me I'm not nuts for listing Soler as the Cubs #1 prospect, as he has the "best pure God-given ability" in the system.

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    I'm on board with Kevin that said Shark would probably going to Toronto for a package that had Sanchez as the headliner...... I think when Kevin Gallo speaks we should all just mark it down..... lol

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    In reply to bocabobby:

    Just wish they'd kept Syndergaard instead of Sanchez last season :(

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    This! Syndergaard = Bradley

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    No Syndergaard is most likely a #2. I think Sanchez still has a good chance of being a true #1.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    Sanchez+ or Giolito+ for Shark would be one hell of a get. I wonder who else is on the way out with the market this hot. Castillo? Castro? Arrieta? Wood?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't go for Castro or Castillo. But I don't think they will be willing to pay for them.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Edwin Jackson.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I really like Syndergaard as well but Sanchez is nothing to just sneeze at.

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    In reply to bocabobby:

    The way this market is exploding, we're going to get a nice return.

    6/100 to Brian McCann might make Castillo a pretty hot commodity, too.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Yes, this.

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    Trying one last time.
    My neighbor is a player agent, and we talked a bit while at the Dog Park today walking our dogs.

    On Tanaka:
    The posting system is a bigger mess than being reported but Tanaka will post this year. He sees a post/contract package of about $130M total. He estimates a posting fee of $60M with a 5/$70M contract for Tanaka, Favorites in order: The Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees and Rangers.

    The Rangers may surprise and go all in with a posting fee of around $70M because they want to win immediately having traded for Fielder.

    On The Cubs:
    Most of this John has already reported, but I'll use Jack's words (Jack is my neighbor). They will probably sign only one premium player. It could be Tanaka. It could be Ellsbury. It could be Cano. Right now the Cubs are in on everybody, but at their price. But even mid-level free agents are asking "for the moon and then some." So the Cubs best option is to sign Tanaka and option #2 is "to not sign anybody."

    As far as Samardzjia, he said the Cubs already have an offer that they like a great deal and expect to move him before the deadline. If he is still with the Cubs at the start of the winter meetings it is because the Cubs are closer to signing him rather than trading him. He reps one of the fringe players allegedly coming to the Cubs in the deal, but he won't say which team or which player.

    On the draft and free agency:
    "It's a great year to be an agent." The Cubs "probably signed Edwin Jackson last year because they knew the premium on pitching this year and next." In fact, he said the Cubs have a rare opportunity to receive an overpay on Jackson because of price escalation in this market and will look to leverage that as an inefficiency in this market. It may have not been such a "mistake or misjudgment" to sign him but he thinks that that is Theo simply taking the heat that will surely come from the Chicago media if they trade him and then equate the signing as a front office failure.

    "Thats what Theo does."

    On the draft and free agency:
    Next year's draft is incredibly deep and loaded with near-impact players and highly projectionable players, the best since the recent CBA agreement. Even teams with protected picks are loathe to sign free agents who rejected a QO because the draft is almost two full rounds deep next year. The smart play is to have a higher pick and more money to spend. That's why the Cubs second best option is to not sign anybody.

    I asked him who the Cubs would likely draft. "No clue, but I hope I rep him." He generally reps third round and lower selections. More signable. Higher volume.

    Free Agency is becoming an issue too. Historically agents like Scott Boras have gone directly to team owners to negotiate these mega-contracts. Savvy owners are deflecting to their front offices in all instances and Boras called those teams out last week (including the Cubs). Bad contracts for Pujols, Hamilton and Fielder haven't helped matters. Owners have no idea what market valuation of those players are, especially the older owners (Illitch, Moreno, et al), at least in comparison to a good, analytical front office staff. They see dollar signs as a measure of competitiveness. It is a poor model that actually hinders that objective.

    So why so much spending this year? "For every good front office there is one that is equally inept front officeand thinks that they are one $100M player and one $50M player away from a championship."

    Thank you for feeding the Scott Boras engine.

    As he is a Brewers fan, we talked about the Brewers. Despite recent press indicating that Milwaukee is not shopping Braun they are in fact open to trading him for young pitching. Milwaukee is a loyal, small community and in spite of it's small market size they have huge attendance numbers. Braun has become a pariah in the community. His contract is easily movable in this climate (17M AAV through 2020 with an option for 2021).

    If the Cardinals lose Beltran (and they will), he sees St. Louis making an aggressive move to get Braun. Other teams likely in on Braun include Texas and Boston, not surprising as both have deep farm systems.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Spectacular post. Thanks!

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    Now my post is all over this thing. Jeez. Sorry.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    Don't be. I appreciate the insight MC!

  • So,... assuming that Shark is traded to either Toronto or DC,..... beyond what the Cubs get in return for him - which should be siginficant in the long run in the form of not quite ready for prime time prospects,.....

    Who do you think the Cubs target as far as FA pitchers to help backfill the spot Shark vacates? Or do they attempt an internal filling of the spot(s) from among Arietta, Rusin, Villanueva, or Vizciano (if he's healthy), or somebody like Cabrerra?

    I've figured that the Cubs would make a serious attempt to resign Baker which would fill one spot,.... but with Wood/Jackson/Baker + 'whomever',..... it's a bit thin.

    Johnson is off the table,.... would that mean that they make a play for Kazmier? or maybe hope to get Grimm or Rondon into starting shape?

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    The trade market is about to get stupid.
    We may actually be able to pull off a trade for Gioloto.
    The Toronto and Pittsburgh packages probably have to include Taillon and Sanchez. Pittburgh could offer quantity in Kingham/Glasnow. Toronto could throw in Drabek.
    But I just like Giolito. Add another arm with the #4 pick, and our system really balances out. Then, 2015-2016 look downright awesome. I like Samardzija, but we need an ace. He's not going to be one, and this would be the final big rebuilding subtraction, as the system begins to get more top heavy.
    ....But I don't think Archie Bradley will happen.
    Samardzija is an outstanding trade chip. The advanced numbers and "young arm" are great negotiating points.

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    In addition, I have no interest at all in Matt Wieters.
    But obviously, Dylan Bundy would be nice...

  • Wieters for stated reasons makes no sense and I have yet to see Bowden being right on any of his predictions.

    Sanchez + would be a nice haul, but no Drabek please. Injury concerns and he just has not lived up to his potential, so no thanks.

  • In reply to Buzz:

    Jim Bowden wrote an article a week ago talking about one move each organization should make.

    For the Cubs, he wrote that the Cubs should sign Ellsbury to a six-year, $120 million dollar contract.

    I will no longer be reading any of his work(s).

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    In reply to Average Samaritan:

    In this market Ellsbury is probably looking at 7/$150M though I expect it to back off a bit.

  • In reply to Average Samaritan:

    I agree with your take on Jim Bowden's work, however, the headlines make it difficult not to click on his articles.

  • Bradley ain't happening. Sanchez is our best chance @ an elite SP prospect, IMO. Read some Fangraphs or BP scouting reports on Gose; it'll whet your appetite-trust me.

  • honestly who has the shot of being a 1 one? gioltio, sanchez, glanslow?

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    In reply to kingpro98:

    Well, I don't think we're trading in the division and Gioltio could but he's also an injury risk. So, I'd say Sanchez.

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    In reply to kingpro98:

    Gioloto. He's got legit ace potential.
    Sanchez projects as more of a #2, and Glasnow may become a #3.

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    In reply to Eric Foster:

    I think Glasnow could become a #1, but he has a long way to go, and a lot can happen in that time.

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    In reply to Giffmo:

    I really like both Glasnow and Kingham.
    I don't know if I personally see Glasnow becoming an ace, but the potential is there.

  • In reply to Eric Foster:

    Its too early to categorize pitchers. Jose Fernandez as projected to be a #2-3 as early as last year and he looks like a #1 to me.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    It's never too early to categorize pitchers!
    All to be taken with a grain of salt.
    And I agree about Fernandez- Didn't expect him to look like an ace.

  • Must Read interview with Jed Hoyer on the Score today, full transcript on Chicago Cubs online -

    http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/11/jed-hoyer-talks-cubs-670-score.php#.UpGyAsQ_TT8

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    Very good read. Confirms that the Cubs FO likes what they have done the last 2 years and are sticking to the plan they originally gave.

  • Hi. My name is Jonathan Rosetti. I troll blogs all the time because I have nothing better to do. I feed on your negative attention. I've been here as Yemi and countless other names that have come and gone.

    I call John's website the worst on the internet, yet I am on it everyday, waiting for my next opportunity to say something which I hope is offensive to John, but he doesn't seem to put much stock into anything I say. But I'll keep trying.

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    In reply to JCubs79:

    Take it somewhere else, dumb ass.

  • In reply to Ray:

    Amen

  • In reply to JCubs79:

    My, my - how does one argue with "facts" like those? My guess is either you're a Cardinals fan, a White Sox fan, a Tribune sportswriter who feels threatened by John, or just a spoiled teenager looking to stir a pot.

    First, John always acknowledges his sources of info and for you to say otherwise is blatant lying. John speculates, just as we all do, but says so when doing so, and gives plausible reasons for that speculation. Second, if John has the worst site out there, how do explain the myriad of followers of this site and the hundred plus comments on any given subject? LOL! Take your bitterness elsewhere.

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    Amen 2

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    cubs1969, hubbs15, ray, etc.

    First, I agree with everything you guys said.

    Two, to make this a really great site where insightful debate is supported with reasonable minds, I think we have to learn not to respond to messages like jcubs79. For all we know, jcubs79 is a 12-year old boy who has mental issues. All he/she is looking for is reaction by us. So they "win" if we do so. If we don't, they have to find some other blog to disturb which was probably their objective all along.

  • In reply to travelguy:

    The scary part is he's not a kid. He's in his 40s. And you are exactly right, he crave attention so we should not give it to him.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Yup plus now I look at the time stamps. He might have had a few too many tequila shots last night thinking he was drinking w ray liotta!

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    Thanks Cubs1969, this is a guy named Jonathan Rosetti who gets his jollies out of trolling. It's basically the same guy over and over again. I appreciate the support but let's all just ignore him.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Lol. I love that. Now that there is a name assigned to the antics, I am sure we have heard the last of him. ( well at least under that name )

    Nice work detective arguello !

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Thanks :)

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Sorry, I missed his post where he stated "the name"

    My bad......long night last night

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Oh...he didn't state it. I altered his comment. I have the ability to do that, but I never found any good use for it....until now :)

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Well that makes me feel a lot better, was about to pop a Tylenol thinking I was going full retard this morning.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Well played sir...

  • In reply to dabynsky:

    Thank you.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I just can't let a blatant lie get posted on here. I will, however, indeed ignore him. It's hard to imagine anyone having that sort of mindset, but I guess they're out there.

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    Indeed they are and thanks, I really appreciate the support.

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    In reply to cubs1969:

    Actually he is only a fan of himself.

  • In reply to JCubs79:

    Rude and obnoxious comments like these are not welcome on this board. I think I speak for others when I say, either become civil or hit the road, no one will have a dialogue with you.

  • In reply to JCubs79:

    Tool.

  • In reply to JCubs79:

    You don't like it JCubs79,.... the door is over there ------->

  • In reply to JCubs79:

    Thank you Jonathan, or Yemi or whatever you are calling yourself now and in the future. I appreciate your candor on this and it takes a big man to own up to who you are and what your habits are.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Beautiful

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    :)

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Did someone "hijack" my screen name?

  • In reply to GoCubs:

    No. You're good. That was a while back, most of you might remember him as Yemi.

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    In reply to JCubs79:

    Perhaps you should Find a new hobby or at least get better at it !!

  • It's the best blog. You were about the 170th comment on this particular piece.

  • It is to the Cubs advantage that the timing for making a move in the free agent market is not immediate, because players are way overpriced and the country is setting itself up for another financial meltdown. Last time it was housing debt and this crisis will be healthcare(ACA made II worse) and higher education(student debt no jobs). Not a good time to depend on entertainment $$.

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    In reply to 44slug:

    It's really sad to see, but I really doubt any of these owners or anyone involved w MLB cares. They are going to get to the point where the avg family can't go an enjoy the game all together.

    I am almost at that point now ESP with football. I just watch it on tv w prices so ridiculous and only going up up up

  • I appreciate everyone's support. Just to let you all know that this is the same troll who keeps coming back over an over again (He was acruz or something like that for awhile, then Yemi, then a bunch of other names). He's been banned but he craves the attention.

    You can just call him Jonathan Rosetti.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Not trying to be a jerk, but he was GoCubsGo. GoCubs is a legit poster who checks in from time to time, and I didn't want him to feel insulted.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    You are right, I'm going to take that part out to avoid confusion.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    No doubt about it, but I am pretty damn sure that we won't be seeing him anymore, it's easy to troll via anonymity . Plus I am pretty sure when he wakes up it will be w a big head ache after doing tequila shots imagining he was hanging out w ray liotta ! Hopefully he's not on some park bench or some dark alley cuz it's damn cold outside.

    I will never figure out why the colder it gets, the more fun my dog has being outside while the dogs in the neighborhood w sweaters on want to be inside badly !

  • Shark is just the type of player a rebuilding team like the Cubs should trade to obtain prospects that will become core players in 3-5 years and fringe contenders would deal for in order to round out a rotation. I agree with those saying we should really get a haul for him given the current asking price for SP and what Theo/Jed were able to land for Garza.

    When analyzing the total value of what the Cubs received from Texas for MG, D Rays Bay (http://www.draysbay.com/2012/3/9/2847644/prospect-values) suggests that if Edwards is a top 40 talent and Olt is borderline top 100, then the Cubs landed $47.28M worth of prospects- sans Grimm and Ramirez- for $3.28M worth of Garza ($6.7M WAR value per fangraphs less $3.42M salary paid). Those exact figures can be debated but I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the Cubs can't expect to receive a total of 8.6 WAR out of all those prospects during their ML careers (47.28M/5.5M per WAR)... they have already received over 2.7 of surplus WAR value by trading Marshall for Wood, Sappelt, and Torreyes.

    Unless Theo can get a potential TOR prospect and three others that are in the top 10 of the organization for Samardzija then he probably won't make the deal. Over the next several years Shark should put up another 6 WAR, or ~$33M of value with arby salaries of $4.9M + $6.4M. Leverage over $20M of performance value with the additional possibility of making the playoffs for the Jays, Nats, or Dbacks and it all adds up to an opportunity for a great return.

    Toronto definitely needs to include Sanchez/Stroman in a trade for Shark and I'd also expect Osuna and A.J. Jimenez as well. The Nats need to part with Giolito and I'd think guys like Solis or Ray should be included. The Dbacks are a waste of time to consider since they won't part with any top pitching prospects and I just don't see the Pirates wanting to trade top prospects to division rival. But the opportune time to trade Shark will be in a couple of weeks and I hope it gets done.

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    In reply to Paulson:

    Good points. I just hope they shoot for the moon (because they should be willing to sign him if they believe he will get better )so whatever they settle on will be solid.

    I like the Jays deal the best, players are closer to being ready so IMO it increases there chances of being solid. Also I think if we get Kyle Drabek as a toss in, who knows what a change of scenery, new league, better health, and perhaps better coaching will do. Look how much better Henderson Alvarez was last yr for the fish, the al east is where it's very difficult for young pitchers to get there confidence. Drabek was the if not one of the main pieces in the Roy Halladay deal if I remember right, so he has lots a potential.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    I agree. great research. But I expect a deal this week . Too much smoke and there is a go for it owner out there that doesn't want to get beat to the punch .

  • is this the same guy that was Cubstalk?

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    No. Different guy.

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    In reply to Bryan Craven:

    CubStalk trolls at CCO now.

  • anyway Back to baseball. I smell a Cubs trade . How bout a Shark pool ? closest to the date and guess what team and the headliner return . Winner gets internet golf claps!

  • Bowden had AA of Tor on his XM radio, didn't deny Levines report but said no offer has been made yet. in regards to acquiring Shark .

  • 11/27 to Toronto for Sanchez, Stroman, Nolin, Drabek, Gose

    That's my guess

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    In reply to DeuceBaseman:

    That's one hell of a return. I'd be ecstatic if we got that for Shark. Perhaps with Schierholtz and Russell?

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    In reply to DeuceBaseman:

    I'm kind of against trading with Toronto.
    But, even I make that trade!
    That would be a haul.

  • if AA gives that much I would be shocked but 3 off that list I think possible

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    Not a surprise:

    Bruce Levine
    ‏@MLBBruceLevine
    Cubs have also had talks with Arizona on Samardzija. Cost will be high (3- 4 top youngsters)

  • According to a Torontoblog/commenters/fans they are not in favor of giving up too much for Shark. Most think NO on Sanchez or Stroman but anybody else would be ok. They would cry bloody murder if it was both. They laughed when I said the Cubs would want both.

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    In reply to plymkr:

    Which blog was it? I was talking with the guy at KennedyMLB and he seems fairly reasonable. Knows the Cubs will demand Sanchez and Stroman and thinks AA will probably pay it.

  • In reply to plymkr:

    True. I find that one side always wants too much and the other doesn't want to give up anything of real value. I expect the truth to be somewhere in between (i.e. a package headed by one of Sanchez or Stroman). The people I talked to seem to think the Cubs will get around a top 25 guy (not top 10), so yeah, Sanchez, Stroman in play whether they like it or not :)

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I'm going to dream that competition from the Nats and job pressure on AA get us both, but you're probably right.

    Sanchez by himself would be a nice take, though.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Wouldn't it be great to know how a trade really evolves, from what each team is offering or asking for initially to the end result?

  • In reply to Ray:

    It would be fun to know the details. Maybe that's something we can look into.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Agreed. The give and the take, the gauging of interest in different players, the back and forth swapping of names.

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    I know at least one person is going to disagree with this, but the Cardinals would have been *substantially* better off with the Miller and Martinez for Castro deal:

    Jon Morosi
    ‏@jonmorosi
    Jhonny Peralta and the Cardinals are close on a four-year deal worth a little more than $52 million, source says. @FOXSports1

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Hahaha. No comment.

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    Ben Badler tweets, then off to work:

    Ben Badler
    ‏@BenBadler
    Blue Jays have plenty of lower-level guys to add as secondary trade chips: DJ Davis, Mitch Nay, Dawel Lugo, Alberto Tirado, Richard Urena.

    Ben Badler
    ‏@BenBadler
    Another Blue Jays name to watch in trade talks is Tyler Ybarra. Lefty up to 96, plus life, above-average breaking stuff, control issues.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Mike Moody ‏@mqmoody 18m
    @BenBadler Any sense on who the Cubs are demanding as a headliner in a Shark deal?

    Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler 5m
    @mqmoody I'm sure Stroman and Sanchez are high on their list.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Great stuff Mike. Thanks.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    DJ Davis is a guy I love. He is #3 on my list of top 20 Blue Jays prospects behind Sanchez and Stroman, and I am assuming Stroman sticks at starting or he drops considerably for me.

  • http://blogs.thescore.com/djf/2013/11/23/report-jays-after-samardzija/comment-page-1/#comment-352102

    Interesting to see the perspective from the other side.
    Also, I was under the impression that Stroman wouldn't last as a starter because of his size, is this incorrect? Is he a TOR legit ace prospect?

  • In reply to plymkr:

    Some believe he can still be a starter. There's a high floor because there seems to be no doubt he can be a good late inning reliever.

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    Cardinals-Peralta is official. 4/52. It's the Cardinals, so it's going to be a great signing, but I'm real glad the Cubs aren't on the hook for that.

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    Unless Arizona caves on Bradley, there's not enough to really talk about. Meh on Skaggs. Barely even meh on Holmberg.

  • In reply to Eric Foster:

    Mlb.com had Skaggs ranked 1 and Bradley 2 coming into 2013. Was Bradley consensus #1before Skaggs was called up?

  • In reply to WSorBust:

    Bradley is a much better prospect. Skaggs was a bit overrated. He's not bad, but Bradley is a beast.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yes i was really impressed with Bradley's stats and wasn't sure if Skaggs' stock had dropped mostly on his initial numbers in the bigs. I mean with Bradley being a beast, was Skaggs a super beast or didn't bba or other top authitiez have Skaggs rated above Bradley, just mlb team sites?

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