Scouting Report on possible Cubs 2014 MLB Draft pick Trea Turner

Scouting Report on possible Cubs 2014 MLB Draft pick Trea Turner

Cubs Den contributor and Big League Futures scouting director Kevin Gallo sends us his scouting report on potential Cubs draft pick Trea Turner.

The Cubs may be looking for pitching but we've seen that if their guy isn't there, they'll take a position player.  Remember, it's all about collecting assets.

Name: Trea Turner

Position: SS

Hometown: Lake Worth, Fla

School/When draft Eligible: North Carolina State/ 2014.

HT: 6’1

WT: 171lbs

Bats/ Throws: R/R

Body: He has slender athletic frame with room to grow in his lower half.

Swing: Turner starts with his hands just above his shoulders and a balanced stance with his knees bent slightly. He has a low stride towards the pitcher and has an extreme weight shift to his back leg, but his head doesn’t move. He has a hand draw trigger and puts himself in excellent hitting position. His swing flows through the zone. It is a short and direct with plus bat speed. He shows back spin that could lead to above average power. He has plus hit tool potential.

Base running: Turner is a burner plain and simple. He has been clocked as low as 3.85 to 1B. He can read a pitcher like a scholar reads a book. He is a plus plus runner and is a serious base stealing threat.

Defense: He has excellent ranges to the right, left, front and back. He has outstanding instincts around the bag and has very good arm. I have no doubt he can stick at SS and be gold glove caliber SS.

Summary: Trea Turner is going to be an impact player on both sides of the ball. He would be an explosive leadoff man on any team. He also has enough power that they can’t cheat in on him without him burning them. He will be a game changer when he makes it to the next level.

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  • I want him.

  • I know we need top of the rotation pitching, but isn't this guy all of the things Theo and Jed want in a middle infielder? He has none of the quesiton marks of Baez or Castro and offers something we just don't have on the roster.

  • In reply to Ike03:

    I think if the draft were today, Rodon and Hoffman go 1-2 and outside of those guys, he's the easy top pick for the Cubs in my opinion.

  • Although, not in the same way I want Pam Anderson.

  • In reply to JB55:

    "Although, not in the same way I want Pam Anderson."
    Yeah. Trea Turner is too fast to be captured in a sack.

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    I think the Cubs philosophy is pitching over hitting so as to assume less risk and attrition. If this guy is available at 4 you almost have to select him.

  • In reply to Michael Canter:

    I concur. My draft philosophy in all sports is to draft the best available athlete. regardless of specific need. That' why you have a GM to maximize personnel assets..

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    This is the type of guy we need to jump start our offense! Just getting on base would disrupt pitchers, defense alignments, attitudes, etc. Sure hope he's available @ #4....

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    The 2014 draft picks will have zero impact on the team for years, if ever.

  • In reply to BLOOMIE1937:

    Why do you say that?

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    In reply to BLOOMIE1937:

    The 2013 draft pick may well have an impact on the team next year. Entirely possible Trea Turner joins his team in 2015. Extremely advanced.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Agreed, & even if he doesn't, so what? An impact player on both sides of the ball with elite speed? Sign me up, I can wait a few years if need be.

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    In reply to BLOOMIE1937:

    Bloomie, many predict that the Cubs 2013 pick will be up in 2014. And I'm pretty sure that the Cardinals 2012 1st rd pick is playing in the 2013 World Series.

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    In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    #CardinalsVoodooMagic

    19 pick TOR starter a year after the draft. I hate them.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I hate the freaking Cardinals too.

  • In reply to BLOOMIE1937:

    Our comments will have zero impact too. But here we are....

  • Sounds like exactly what this team needs, we just have to wait till draft day and see if he's available.

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    Sounds like an Ed Lynch type of player. I'd always error on the side of power project-ability in the first round.

  • Thanks John & Kevin
    Boy, Im thinking Rodon-Turner-Hoffman will be gone by the time the Cubs pick. Damn you White Sox! The ONE time I wanted you to see you winning! :)

    Lots of time before next June but Im hoping for one of those 3. If not Beede, Weaver, or Kolek would be a nice consolation prize.

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    I need something to psyche me up about Kolek so that I can't be disappointed no matter how they go at #4. Kolek or a late riser.

  • Here's to hoping he's still available at #4

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    I didn't realize the glove had that kind of potential. He's the one I wanted all along and now I want him even more. As a college position player his high floor should help protect the value of the asset, whether we decide to start him or trade him for pitching.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Having said that, unless someone emerges out of nowhere, I just can't see him getting by the White Sox. (Thank you, sweep...)

  • Couple questions john. Do you think the cubs will try n play it more safe this year and select a college player or do you think they'll go for the the guy with the most talent possible no matter what? Secondly i know the draft is too far away to predict who will be at the top but what player as of right now intrigues you the most in the 4 hole?

  • In reply to INgold91:

    The Cubs normally go with the Player with the highest floor with very good upside. It normally is a college player but not always. Right now the only thing I think is guaranteed is that Carlos Round on is #1.

  • Let's hope the WS at 3 use some other method in selecting their
    pick.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Maybe they'll go cheap & take a slightly lower rated guy.

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    Our last draft pick, Kris Bryant, continues his one man wrecking crew assault on the AFL. Leads off the game with a double, bringing him to 8 XBH and a .455 average. Remember, even with the month off, his season began in February.

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    I've never seen the kid play, but I sure as hell hope that the pic above is just a random candid shot, and not how he actually takes his stance at the plate.

    As a hitting instructor, I abhor any type of bat lean or bat wrap, and that dangling bat over his shoulder is a terrible way to start an at bat. Notice how high his hands are. He has to bring them down at least 9" just to get them into the hitting zone to start any kind of trigger or load. The barrel of the bat has to unnecessarily travel quite a bit farther than that even.

    Wasted motion leads to inconsistent timing and the more wasted or unnecessary motion you have, the greater chance there is for something to go wrong.

    No doubt this kid is a terrific talent and usually such things get tweaked by competent hitting coaches. The trouble is, with many mega-talented kids, their youth, HS and sometimes even college coaches are either afraid to make changes, or don't see the flaws because the results are still there.

    And as I said in the beginning, this could be just a random picture and not his actual mechanics. Has anyone seen him that could offer some insight?

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    In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    Here's video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zOtpV__44o

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Thank you Mike. I like what his bat does in the strikezone but I don't like that bat lean one bit. Still, as John said, his bat flows through the strike zone. He is smooth and has plus bat speed. Understands weight transfer and balance. But that damn bat lean...

  • In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    The bat lean works for his style but can be modified. By the way not John that's me.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    Thanks Kevin. Good stuff.

  • In reply to Mike Partipilo:

    I starting point can always be changed. As long as his swing path doesn't change he will be fine.

  • We are expecting supermen from our top prospects, but compared
    to what we had in the farm system they we do just find

  • I think hands down he is the best position player. His FPO is higher then anyone last year even Bryant.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Kevin do you know who his agent is? If it is Boras, the white sox will not take him.

  • In reply to John57:

    Oooh, good point.

  • In reply to John57:

    The one time I would be happy with Boras representing someone I want

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    In reply to KGallo:

    FPO? I'm unfamiliar with the abbreviation.

    Future probable outcome? I'm guessing so I may be way off.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    Yes Turner is a 80 speed, 65 bat, power 55 arm 65 glove 80. And you take the average. Bat maybe a 70 but I don't want to go there just yet.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    Thanks. And thanks for the scouting reports. Well written and I gotta give you a lot of credit since last year you were on Bryant from day one.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Glove 80 wow! So, he could be one of our best middle defenders?

  • In reply to Buzz:

    Look him up on YouTube. He makes some of the most outstanding players I have ever seen.

  • Wow, KG! That's extremely high praise. Do you take him over any pitcher not named Rodon?

  • In reply to Nondorf:

    I really like Hoffman so I see it as almost a tie. I see a lot of upside in Kolek. I also see Luke Weaver and Newcomb as two dark horses.

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    I've been yelling for pitching for two years, and now ai find myself on board with Theo's philosophy.

    I REALLY wish we get Turner.

    Great bat, great glove, great speed, great polish.
    I think the people who believe Baez would be a better SS than Castro are deluded. But if we got Turner, I'd be perfectly fine with moving Castro. (Not saying soon, just saying)

    However, I agree that he's exactly the type the asox usually draft and if he goes one pick ahead, I may lose it.

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    In reply to Giffmo:

    The White Sox are also the organization that once drafted the GM's daughter ahead of 14 future major leaguers including Placido Polonco and Bobby Howry. So, don't worry, any organization that found it necessary to employ Carl "No such thing as dinosaurs" Everett eleventy times will surely blow such a precious draft spot.

  • I wanted this dude after watching a few college games this year. How does his glove compare to what we have in our system now?

    KB flyout to center, the bat lean prevented another HR :)

  • Why are we worried about the #4 pick? We should be worried about the 31st pick. Thats where the Cardinals draft. We should just figure out who they are picking and pick them at #4. Viola #2 starter in the 2015 WS.

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    Good point. Draft position isn't as important in baseball as in other sports. The main thing is to make sure your top picks are keepers, wherever you pick.

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    I think there are some interesting players there too. I can give you a few but that changes rapidly.

  • Seriously though, what is Turner's plate approach? Ideally, he'd be a guy that has a high OBP, takes a lot of pitches / works counts, etc. Also, it would be ideal if he can 'create ways to get on base' -i.e. can bunt and get a lot of infield hits. Turn those singles into doubles real quick.

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    He works counts well and is willing to take walks. He understand his job is to get on base.

  • Turner hits leadoff, Baez hits second. Baez gets significantly more fastballs?
    Now we need to find a high OBP/Power lefty to hit 3rd.

  • Unfortunately, as good as the 2014 draft is setting up to be, the top 3 have clearly separated themselves thus far, and the Cubs have the 4th pick.

    1. Rodon
    2. Hoffman
    3. Turner

    At this point I would rather the Cubs go with best player potential and go with Michael Gettys who has All-Star potential.

    Kolek is tempting, but he is not as advanced as Kohl Stewart was last year, so he would be a REACH at #4.

    If Beede finds his release point and dominates then he is the pick, otherwise you go M. Gettys (Role 7) who might end up being the best player in the draft 3 years from now.

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    In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    You really can't say the top 3 are defined.

    Gray brought his stock up in one year. No one saw him coming.

    Also, Turner could have a crap year. Rodin could get injured. Etc.

    A year ago, people were predicting Austin Meadows would go #1.

  • In reply to Ghost Dawg:

    I think Kolek could go 2 or 3 because of his upside. If Beede can get that release point down he goes in the top 3. I like Gettys a lot o think he is the top HS position player easy.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    I just have a feeling that Kolek will be extremely good and would love to get him. But I would definitely not be disappointed with Hoffman or Turner. We are going to get a really good player next June. Thanks for the draft report.

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    In reply to John57:

    I have a hunch Kolek drops to us -- kind of the Kohl Stewart of the 2014 draft. But there's a lot left to happen and guys like Weaver or Beede could jump into the top tier.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    I think you are right regarding Kolek's upside - that size and velocity makes GM mouth's water. I could see W.Sox drafting him now that I think about it.

    If so, Cubs will probably jump on Turner because he fit's their prospect profile so well, i.e. Well known prospect, High Floor with projection, Character, Tools, etc. etc.

    If Turner was a Lefty he would be Theo/Jeds dream come true.

  • I like his high floor and impact ready skill set. I think he's the obvious choice for this FO philosophy. I guess it comes down to 1). if he's even there. 2). How our FO rates the Pitchers vs him.

  • Kevin, nice write-up. What's your floor/ceiling for Turner?

  • In reply to Matt Mosconi:

    Thanks. He is an every day starting SS but his ceiling you are looking at a Gold Glove SS and Super star.

  • In reply to Matt Mosconi:

    The ceiling for any Top 5 pick is superstar. The floor is they don't make it.

  • Is that the Kane County Cougars stadium in the picture? Looks very similar

  • In reply to Javier Bryant:

    It is. Team USA came up to Geneva for a couple of games and I was able to catch these guys for a couple of games.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Wow, cool. I don't remember hearing anything about it otherwise I might have tried to make it. How did Turner look?

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    Last year at this time, Sean Manaea was thought to be the 2nd best starter in the draft and then Gray crept up.

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    KGallo,

    I presume your review of Tyler Beede is forthcoming, but could you briefly address him as a potential #4 overall pick? I noticed how you omitted him in the list of players you really like (Hoffman, Turner, Kolek, Weaver, and Newcomb).

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    In reply to Chris Trengove:

    KGallo,

    Just saw your response to GhostDawg regarding Beede. Any other thoughts?

    Thanks, and great article!

  • In reply to Chris Trengove:

    Its really hard to pick another sleeper just yet but I like Kopech a lot.

  • In reply to Chris Trengove:

    In another comment I said if Beede can find his release point he is a top 3 pick.

  • Great scouting report, Kevin! He sounds like the perfect guy to have. I hope he's there at 4!

  • In reply to Ben20:

    Thanks.

  • I've said before, Kolek has the Kerry Wood profile, I am intrigued by his upside. If Beede gets his control figured out, I think it would be a tough choice at #4 between him and Kolek. I think Turner will be long gone at #2 or #3. Seems like the Fish will want to go with a bat, the pitching in their system is a lot stronger than the hitters.

  • In reply to notcarlosdanger:

    I agree.

    I can definitely see the Fish taking Turner too.

  • I like how your last article which showed up here led into this guy. Well played.

  • Just to illustrate how much opinions vary on prospects, Keith Law and Chris Crawford released their initial 2014 draft rankings and Turner is #15. They said Turner should be able to stick at SS, but "there might not be much offensive upside".

    They've got Rodon, Hoffman, A. Jackson, and Gatewood as their Top 4.

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