Cubs trade Scott Feldman, Steve Clevenger for Jake Arrieta, Pedro Strop, and IFA $$

Okay, the first trade is in and it's a good one for Cubs fans if you're looking for young hard throwers with big upside.   As expected, the Cubs dealt Scott Feldman and Steve Clevenger to the Baltimore Orioles for pitcher RHSP Jake Arrieta, who was once the Orioles #4 prospect and #67 in all of baseball, hard-throwing but wild RHRP Pedro Strop, and international pool money.  According to the Orioles twitter feed, the Cubs get the Orioles 3rd and 4th slot values of the IFA money, which amounts to about $388K. The money could be enough for the Cubs to sign top IFA Eloy Jimenez.

Jake Arrieta has a very strong arm, averaging 94 mph this year according to Fangraphs, but the the 27 year old RHP has struggled since winning 10 games for Baltimore back in 2011.  He also have a very hard slider which can touch 90 mph, a hard curve, and a change-up.  He has the size and repertoire to be a starting pitcher and the Cubs will undoubtedly give him a shot to join the rotation this season.

As you might expect as to why a pitcher with such nasty stuff would struggle -- it's control.  Arrieta has walked almost 6 and a half batters per 9 IP this year and is averaging 4 walks/9 IP for his career.  It's obviously someone the Cubs think they can coach up and perhaps get themselves either a front end starter or a late inning relief arm.

Aside from the poor control, Arrieta has had some bad luck -- a .343 BABIP (average is .300) against and a strand rate of a 60% (average is 70%) have led to his ghastly 7.23 ERA, but his FIP of 4.62 is more indicative of his season and even that can be lowered substantially with better control.

Pedro Strop, 28, is averaging 96 mph out of the bullpen though he has also struggled mightily with control.  Strop also throws a slider and a splitter.  Strop has struggled this season with an equally ghastly 7.25 ERA but he also has had some bad luck with HRs (a 26.7% FB/HR Rate) and stranding runners (60%).  He'll probably get a spot in the Cubs bullpen and a chance to work with pitching coach Chris Bosio.

It's apparent the Cubs think that these pitchers are a lot better than what they have shown and if they can pitch with better control, the Cubs may have themselves a power starter and bullpen arm for what amounts to 2 1/2 months of Scott Feldman.

The writing was on the wall for Clevenger who was asked to pack his bags and then sent to his hotel in Iowa.  The backup catcher was due to come off the 60 day DL and would have required a roster spot.  There were reports of some disagreements as to how to handle his injury and/or roster situation, but none of that has been confirmed to this point.

The trade also indicates that the Cubs are interested in competing sooner rather than later.  Both pitchers are in their prime years and cost-controlled with the bonus of still having tremendous upside.

 

 

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    Nice. I like Arietta and maybe he goes to San Diego in a Garza trade.

  • Pipe dream but I was hoping for Bundy. Lol

    Depending on how much slot money we get, this might be a coup if we can Eloy and Erling Moreno + the 2 we signed earlier.

  • Wow let the excitement begin. I would have to think the Cubs FO must have Califlower ear by now. They must be busting. Working ML trades, signing INTL players, signing their own draft picks. I look forward to learning more about the new young Cubbies.

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    thought we were looking for way younger talent. i guess thats what the IFA money is about. i feel meh about this trade. strop was very good last year but walks too many people and the reason he was good last year was because he only allowed 2 homers. arrieta basically had 1 good year at AAA and a good first 10 starts for the ml squad.

  • Well I checked them out, never heard of them. I see they are not prospects. I wonder if they add both to the 25 man roster?

  • In reply to Wild Bill:

    They both should be. Arrieta's got as good of stuff as any pitching prospect out there, he's just never put it together. Strop's had nice years, and should still be a solid bullpen arm for a while. Both should join the 25 man roster. Could finally be the end for Camp.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    Yes I have been indulging myself here and other spots to learn what you are saying. Thanks!

  • In reply to Wild Bill:

    Arrieta's headed to AAA, Chris Rusin takes his spot in the MLB rotation today. Probably Villanueva long-term, though.

  • Very nice!

  • In reply to fsufrenzy911:

    Gonna need that IFA money

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    I'm with Mike C. and wonder if this is just the first part of a chain that will send Arrieta to San Diego at the deadline. Won't bring as much as Matt Garza, but might get them a Jed/Jason prospect from deeper in the system they covet. The amount of IFA money is what makes this a good or bad deal, however. If it's just enough to sign Jimenez, it's okay. If it's enough to get Jimenez and Moreno, I love it.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Mike where did you hear San Diego has interest in Arrieta ?

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    In reply to SouthsideB:

    Chat with Bill Center who covers the Padres for the San Diego Union Tribune:

    Comment From Tim
    If there is a buyer for Volquez do the padres move him regardless of the teams playoff contention?

    Bill Center: Good question. One I can't answer. If they got a pitcher they liked in return, I'd say yes. By the way, the Padres are enamored with the Orioles Jake Arrieta

    Also said that the strongest trade talk he heard with the Padres involved Arrieta and Garza. So the Cubs are now one-stop shopping for a team that they probably want prospects from. Convenient, that.

  • Hope the international money is worth it, because neither of these two guys seem that exciting. I feel like we just traded for Chris Volstad and Carlos Marmol, part deux.

  • In reply to djriz:

    Arrieta has much better front end stuff than Volstink could ever hope to have. Hes more like Marmhole, has trouble throwing strikes consistently. Been the story of his career so far, when he throws strikes he wins, when hes wild he sucks. Unlike Volstink, who just sucked period.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    Your mentioning Marmhole gets me to my point.

    Unlike supposedly Coop, the Cubs have absolutely no history of straightening out pitchers with control problems. Last I heard, the two Carloses (Marmol and Z) aren't here. It would have made more economic sense to have tried to fix those control problems than to try to rehab some Os castoffs.

    So, the only thing that seems of value in this trade is Baltimore's international money.

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    In reply to djriz:

    I was hoping for more from Feldman, but maybe that's on me. He's a guy who has only really had success as a starter this year, and with prospect value increasing substantially, they just may not have been able to get more. And Arrieta is interesting. A lot of teams, apparently, were in on him, and perhaps the Cubs want the chance to flip him at the deadline instead of Feldman.

  • Hey John...can you explain exactly how the trading of international pool money works? I know the Cubs get more pool money than other teams because of their record but how then can you trade the money?

  • In reply to jorel1114:

    you trade it in slots cubs get 338k in this deal

  • In reply to jorel1114:

    Not John, but I saved this explanation from BA. Hope it helps:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/how-trading-international-pool-space-works/

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    Thanks

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    OY! That's complicated and me no do math/numbers good. Still interesting

  • Arrieta is a nice pickup IF he learns to throw strikes. Same with Strop, power arm who lacks consistency. Id like to think we are likely keeping Arrieta and trading Garza in the next couple of weeks. Maybe take a poll as to who might offer us the best trade proposal for Garza.

  • Not excited at all about the two players, if they don't have control now chances are very high they never will. They're not kids.

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Arrieta is only 24. Lets see if a change of scenery and getting out of the AL east might do for him. Strop is a dime a dozen sort, if he figures it out he'll be useful. The bonus $ might be the best deal to come out of this. They might get a real shot at the top IFA player.

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    In reply to mutant beast:

    BBR has Arrieta at 27.

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    In reply to mutant beast:

    Arrieta is 27.

    Born: March 6, 1986

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arrieja01.shtml

    Turn on computer. Type name. Click link. Find birthday. Do math.

  • In reply to Jimmy Greenfield:

    Well, In fairness Arrieta's walk rate was below 3 in about 115 innings in the majors last year and was also below 3 in AAA this year. The walk rate (and the rest of his numbers) look pretty bad this year, but we're only talking about 5 starts. The Orioles sent him down after a pretty horrible April and it looks like he's had better control down in AAA. Watched a few videos, however, and he has some absolutely filthy stuff.

    http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=453562#gameType='R'&sectionType=career&statType=2&season=2013&level='ALL'

  • In reply to J Bounds:

    I don't know, but looking at the video, it looks like a nice clean delivery. I think there may be something to watch for with this kid.

  • What exactly happened with Clevenger? Another Stewart-like malcontent? Or was his complaint valid?

    Don't know enough about these guys coming back to have much of an opinion though Strop sounds a little like Marmol Jr. and Arrieta at 28 seems a little old to be a project. But I'm willing to see what comes of both of them... I do like the IFA $ though and if it nets up Jimenez, that alone might be worth it. (Crosses fingers)

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    I don't know for sure, but when someone mentioned opening roster space for Clevenger a couple of days ago, I asked "do the Cubs need 3 catchers?" Apparently they are satisfied with Navarro (and certainly his bat) so Clevenger becomes expendable.

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    Eh. I knew we weren't getting Gausman or Bundy, but I'm underwhelmed.

    I saw Arrieta a few years back in Fenway. Yes, the stuff is crisp. Good movement on all pitches. But the control was atrocious. The BoSox annihilated him.
    I trust the FO, but I was hoping for a prospect rather than a reclamation project.

    Strop is a guy more likely to turn it around. And if he does put it together, he could turn into a decent set-up guy.
    Ultimately, we got 2 pitchers with an ERA north of 7.
    ...But the IFA money likely turns into Jimenez. That's the real victory.
    I don't like this trade, but I don't hate it.

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    Arietta looks like a chip, because SD seems to want him. If Strop is anything like he was last year, he could be a short term solution for the pen. I would have liked younger talent too, but if this deal guarantees Jimenez signs, then it is like getting an additional 1st round draft pick this year.

  • Doesn't light the world on fire for me, but Arrieta was a top, top prospect in the Baltimore system a few years back, so maybe the light will go on for him. He's still got 3 years of team control ahead of him and he's three years younger than Feldman. That alone makes this trade worthwhile.

  • I really really like this trade. Arrietta looks like he could use a change of scenery. As we all know, the AL East can be brutal for pitchers. If the coaches can manage to get he and Strop to find better control they could be extremely effective in the NL, and the coaches for the most part seem to help improve pitchers we acquire or sign a bit too. Not to mention that Arrietta is still young and cost controlled. I think he sticks around for awhile. I have a feeling the FO wasn't making this trade to parlay Arrietta into another trade with the likes of San Diego or Colorado for Garza. It's not easy to find a starter with the stuff that Arrietta has.

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    My first take, is I am underwhelmed with the return. I hope one of these guys gets it together and proves me wrong, but usually pitchers in their late 20s don't all the sudden solve their control issues. For Strop, his first two organizations couldn't straighten out the control, why do we think we can?

    It was a good strategy by FO to sign a short-term asset and conver to long-term ones, I just thought we could get more for Feldman

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I'm not surprised this is the return. Feldman's having a great season but he's past his prime and will be looking for a multi year contract at the end of the season.

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    In reply to Zonk:

    Strop will close after Gregg gets traded, my guess. Both guys have high ceiling arms and let's not forget Feldman was a below .500 pitcher coming in to this year. Good trade for both teams. The assets are there to eventually make this a win for the Cubs.

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I hear you, but it seemed to work with Feldman this year and Maholm last year. And they were both older. So if we are lucky, we have a younger version of both, with cost control.

  • Per Ben Badler's IFA slot bonus list, the IFA money the Cubs acquire is $388,100.

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/international/2013-2014-international-bonus-slots/

  • Damn pushing hard for slot money.

    Marmol for Matt Guerrier + slot money

    Torreyes to 'Stros for 2nd/3rd slot money. Sad to see him go, but infield crowded and it might make sense to move AA to 2B and move Baez up I guess.

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    In reply to Furiousjeff:

    Torreyes makes sense to me -- they seemed to be souring on him and, as you say, playing time for second basemen at the top of the system was about toget crowded.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I wonder if the Astros are planning on moving Altuve for prospects.

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    Ugh. If this one surprised you, get ready for your jaws to hit the floor. Marmol AND the Cubs 4th IFA slot to the Dodgers for Matt Guerrier.

    Seriously, what the hell?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    What why? Why send that slot money?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I was just reading that as well and same response as you had. WTH?!

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Agreed, don't like that trade.

  • Maybe the Dodgers are paying all of Marmol's Salary ?

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    In reply to SouthsideB:

    Nope -- Cubs are sending cash. Really doesn't make sense.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Guerrier makes considerably less salary than Marmol, that's why the slot money. And the Cubs turn right around and get more slot money for Torreyes, who probably isn't going to make it.

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    No, that's NOT why the slot money. The Cubs are not broke. They could've paid all of Marmol's salary and Guerrier's salary.

    But to give over a limited resource like slot money makes no sense, especially considering the Dodgers wanted Marmol (for whatever reason). It wasn't like the Cubs wanted Guerrier and called up Colletti and offered him Marmol. At least not from what I've heard.

    It does not make sense.

  • In reply to cubbie steve:

    At least we got something for Marmol. Otherwise, we pay all of his salary while he sips on margueritas in the DR. And I disagree about the slot money. There is a huge difference between Marmol's salary and Guerrier's, so salary relief and slot money went to the Dodgers to balance it out. Guerrier is a short term plug for the Cubs bullpen hopefully, maybe a replacement for Camp, and the Dodgers think Marmol can be a set-up man in the short run, i.e. for a run at the NL West title.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Oops initially read that as cubs getting the money.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I didn't like the idea of the swap to begin with, I just shook my head when I saw marmol+cash+IFA money for Guerrier.

    I knew it was going to happen, but why the IFA money???? LA has no bargaining power!!!! They have no farm. Worse than ours when Ricketts took over. We payed them to take someone they wanted, and then on top of it said hey you want to lessen our buying power for IFAs, okay, here ya go.

    Now for that player with just enough upside to make this trade worth it. Oh Guerrier, you're 34, you've actually pitched nearly a whole run worse in the NL, you have no upside, and sadly no future here. Bosio, you have 29 days to polish this guy up.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Looks like the Dodgers made a good deal here. Hard to see the upside in this for the Cubs. Oh well.

  • In reply to peoria cubfan:

    upside for cubs they get a pitcher who is likely to take Camps place and who knows a veteran if pitches decent in July maybe can be moved at deadline or in Aug and at worst he allows cubs not to have to bring up minor leaguers who aren't ready

  • Have to say, I'm a bit disappointed in this return.

    If Arrieta hasn't figured it out by 27, it seems unlikely he will. Strop is just a pen arm. And then ~$400K in bonus money?

    I guess what I was looking for as a return from Feldman was high upside guys. I just expected them to come from the lower minors. Thinking of it that way, I guess I feel a little better.

  • busy day. Cubs Twitter is blowing up the past half hour. now Marmol and then Torreyes? Hope you enjoyed the mini-vacation last week John, you will be busy this month?

  • MLBTR is reporting Matt Guerrier from the Dodgers for Carlos Marmol and Chicago's fourth international signing bonus slot.

  • Not sure if I agree with the "tremendous" upside of Strop and Arrieta but both guys certainly have a chance to help the team and get better individually. Arrieta is definitely a little bit of a sleeper. Good stuff. Really, really stoked about getting that pool money and hopefully Jimenez!

  • Yes this isn't ideal, but you can't get something for nothing. There was hardly anybody who was even willing to give Feldman a chance at starting. For a rental, this is good and the worst that happens they don't improve. Which is the same with Feldman as he was heading downhill and broke out this year. Those two guys will be much better off playing in the National league instead of the AL East. Not to mention that International spending money. Some of these power arms will come through whether from this trade, other trades, international signings, free agent or drafting. Waves and waves as you can't get it all in one trade.

  • I'm guessing other teams weren't looking to part ways with much in terms of what they were getting in return for a "rent-a-player". Oh well. Let's hope these guys can help out and save this busted up bullpen.

  • Look at it this way, the Cubs traded 3 months of Scott Feldman for Arrieta, who doesn't become a free agent until 2017, and Pedro Strop, who doesn't become a free agent until 2018, and $388,000 in IFA slot money. I like Feldman, I think he was a good pickup by EpHoyer, but they signed him in order to make a deal like this if he panned out, and he did. Mission accomplished. Now we hope that Arrieta and Strop can turn things around in a new city. And why can't they? Feldman did! Hopefully this deal works out like the Marshall/Wood deal does.

  • In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    We can only hope it turns out like the Marshall/Wood deal turned out. I liked Feldman as well. I thought he was a solid pickup and as you said, was strictly a trade chip if he panned out.

  • The players we got for Feldman are bottom of the barrel. 27 & 28 years old and still not producing. They may have good arms but so did Chris Volstadt. I have a feeling the Cubs realize this too and have low expectations on them. They thought it doesn't hurt to take a flyer on them but I think they were only throw ins and the real return on this deal was the IFA pool money and the players were the secondary return.

  • In reply to Behn Wilson:

    Keep in mind what the Orioles received: a 3 month rental and a catcher who struggles to reach the Mendoza line.

    Wood's numbers weren't so hot before this year, but now he's turned it around with a change in scenery and getting someone wh believes in him.

    There's no guarantee that this will happen with Arrieta and Strop, but it might. And maybe Arrieta is just a chip to throw in on a Garza deal with SD.

    I'm not disappointed at all in this trade. I think it makes sense.

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    In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    The critical question is what offers were left on the table to accept this. This is an exaggeration for effect, but if the Rangers offered Profar for Feldman, this is the worst trade ever.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Thats a lot for feldman I think. Especially considering the Rangers already had him. That's like giving something away and having to pay to get it back.

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    In reply to NateDHummel:

    No chance that's a reasonable trade. It's why I said exaggeration for effect. :)

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    my bad didn't read that part! haha

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Not sure where this particular thread started, but:

    That's a great trade for Feldman. He is a FA after this year, the Cubs can't tender him for $14m so they cannot get a compensatory pick, he is a 5th starter on most teams and if you think he is worth more than what the Cubs got, Arrieta, Strop and two IFA bonus slots I am interested to hear what you think the Cubs should have got/demanded. We turned 2 1/2 months of Feldman's services into two cost-controlled players and bonus pool money. Great trade. Good day for Jed/Theo today. All the moves were solid.

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    In reply to Jive Wired:

    Where it started was pointing out that we can only say how great or terrible a trade it is by knowing what the other offers were. I jokingly said if they'd been offered Profar and turned it down, this was a terrible trade. We don't know. I'm reserving judgement on the trade -- there is a lot to shake out here. But given that there was talk of a top 10 organizational prospect for Feldman, this seems a bit low.

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    In reply to Jive Wired:

    And bear in mind, the bonus pool money we got was about half of what we got for Ronald Torreyes alone, so the real return here was Arrieta.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Talk of a Top Ten prospect was on this board, nowhere else that I can see. I still say Arrieta goes to SD in a Garza deal, but maybe the Cubs see a correctable flaw. I will say those who judge Marmol's wildness are out of line. The problem with Marmol is two-fold. One, he overused his slider and hitters learned to lay off and take the walks. Then he went fastball-heavy, and once teams could sit on it, they battered him. Arrieta is a completely different animal. It is much easier to improve command with his repertoire than Marmol's.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Sorry - judge Marmol's wildness as a problem with working with other pitchers. Yes, Marmol is wild. Got interrupted by a neighbor mid-post.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Profar for 3 months of Feldman? That's some kind of pipe dream!

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    In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    "This is an exaggeration for effect"

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    OK

    Excellent exaggeration!

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    In reply to Tinker Evers Chance:

    Please tell me you got the point?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    What's the point of postulating the ridiculous?

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Wow. Just wow. Okay, clearly we can't have a constructive discussion here.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Again, what is constructive about postulating the ridiculous, what doesn't have a snowball's chance of happening?

  • Cubs have increased international spending pool by 964k, Lets hope this gets a deal done with Eloy

  • It sounds good, but I've got one big question: what makes the Cubs think they can solve these guys' control issues when they couldn't do a thing about Carlos Marmol? The skinny on these guys make them sound like Carlos 2 an Carlos 3.

  • In reply to DavidStanczak:

    I think Marmol's issues were more mental than anything at this point, so I'm not sure that's a great comparison. Looking at some video, this kid actually reminds me quite of bit of Samardjzia before he developed his split finger following the 2011 season. Big 12 to 6 curve, nice slider and great velocity, but his fastball is pretty flat and he tends to leave it up a bit. Lets no forget that at the age of 26 Jeff walked 50 batters in 88 innings. I know the rest of his stats were significantly better, but he was also working in middle relief versus starting. Anyway, then he adds the split finger which he is able to command and keep down in the zone and he becomes a very good starter. Perhaps that's a model the Cubs can use to increase Arrieta's effectiveness as well. Or, the Cubs could plan to flip him, I don't know.

  • I love the trade. I was running out of Corey Feldman movie jokes and the Jewish jokes just got me grief.....

    Seriously. Scott FELDMAN!!!!!!! was a donut tire. He was signed specifically to pitch and be traded like he was. Arrieta might be a nice opening litmus test for Derek Johnson and Pogo Hop, while he strikes me as a continuance of the Alfonseca-Novoa-Telemaco-Dolis-throw-hard-but-cant-control-it All stars might work too. But this international free agent thing is clearly an avenue where the Cubs have the leg up (for now) so they're using it to their advantage. Bravo I say.....

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    In reply to felzz:

    *LIKE* *THUMBS UP* #GreatComment #felzz - wait, is this Facebook?

  • In reply to felzz:

    I agree, felzz! Epstein, Hoyer, and McLeod are going to hammer at the IFA angle as hard as they can until MLB shuts it down.

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    And they can still re-sign Feldman after this year if they want!

  • In reply to Jive Wired:

    And if they do re-sign him, FELZZ !!! can use Marty Feldman jokes instead.
    --"Abby Normal"

  • For the record, the O's / Cubs trade is the first trade in history to use international signing $$.
    I think our FO is using any advantage out there. I'm confident that when the dust settles, we will be much better off.

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    They are aggressive, aren't they? I agree!

  • Wake me on Aug. 1. This is the first move of many.

  • I like the 388K IFA money the best by far. However, unless the O's include a baker's dozen of Big Mike Caldwell's favorite donuts, I want this trade cancelled immediately.

  • This IS the first of many, I like this trade as well. As much as I liked Clevenger, he had no place with the Cubs. Arietta is exactly the kind of guy you want for a guy like Feldman, a high end project. At the least a late inning guy and if you get lucky a possible #3 starter.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    And Strop sounds like a guy who can work that set-up role.

  • First off great site long time lurker first post. Btw this is my favorite cubs blog. I felt the need to post finally because I actually think this is a good trade. Take Strop out of it(spelling of name could be wrong sorry). The IFA money is really helpful and will get us at least Jiminez to go with the two already signed that's all positive. In regards to Arrietta and Feldman, thats a good deal. Arrietta is younger and cheaper with over all much superior stuff. I mean come on it's Scott Feldman a career crappy pitcher who is 30 and already had TJ. The FO should be doing cartwheels right now, they took someone with no value before the year started and got a cost controlled younger pitcher with upside, thats a huge win. We weren't going to resign Feldman and his value would never have been higher. Actually I personally think they made this trade now because he has slid back to his old ways in his last 6 starts and would have at best lost value if the cubs waited until closer to the deadline.

  • In reply to bigbluebear2929:

    I think you have a point there when you say Feldman was sliding recently. I'm glad EpHoyer made this trade early also.

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