Cubs trade 2B prospect Rony Torreyes for Astros pool money, call up Sappelt

Okay, this is getting crazier than the deadline.

A couple of more moves.

The Cubs have traded Rony Torreyes to the Houston Astros for the slots #2 and #3 ($784K) according to CSNs Patrick Mooney.

Mooney also said the Cubs will call up OF Dave Sappelt, as expected and moved OF Ryan Sweeney to the 60 Day DL, which opens up a 40 man roster spot.

As for the pool money, according to Tim Dierkes of MLB Trade Rumors,

Cubs' net international pool money gain today is $963,100, bringing their total pool up to $5,520,300 (barring more moves).

That includes the $784K the Cubs just picked up from the Houston Astros for Torreyes.

 

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  • Kudos to you John on your busy diligence. Thanks :)

  • In reply to CGunz:

    Thanks CGunz.

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    How much is the #2 and #3? Sounds like a fair chunk of change from the Astros

    I like Torreyes, but we do have alot of players at 2B. I wonder if this means Alcantara is moving to 2B shortly at AA.

    Interesting move for Astros; seems like they already have a ML version of Torreyes in Jose Altuve.

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I thought the same thing about Alcantara. He needs the reps at 2nd. Now, let's move Baez to AA, not because he's earned it, just to prevent him from drowning in Florida.

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I was just thinking same thing. Astros cornering the market on sub 5'6" 2Bs.

    Going to be honest and I think the Cubs soured on Torreyes for some reason. Maybe because he was late to report and partly because it seems the Cubs have better options for 2B right now.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I said on the other page -- wondering if the Astros are thinking of moving Altuve for prospects. This would (kinda) let them have their cake and eat it, too, if Torreyes develops for them.

    Love that deal for us, though.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    This makes Soto their every day SS at Tennessee? Yikes, he's hitting abt .170!!

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    In reply to Eldrad:

    Reasonable chance it makes Baez their everyday SS at Tennessee, but I don't think they'll move Alcantara to second to play Soto at short. If they move Alcantara to second, it's to get him used to the position they want him to play in the majors.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I expected a Baez move later (Aug) rather than sooner (early July). Perhaps theyt'll just put up with Soto there for a month?

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    In reply to Eldrad:

    Possible. Really think decisions on Alcantara will drive Soto, if Baez doesn't drive both, though.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Good points.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I thought the same thing.
    2-3 rain-outs a week in Daytona isn't going to help Baez.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    You hit nail on the head John, the Cubs do have better options now , which is why they did this.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    All kinds of assets and all but one of them is 28 or under.

  • In reply to Zonk:

    Just updated: 784K

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    Okay, this is nuts. Feldman and Clevenger get a live armed pitcher who has battled shoulder issues this year and $400k in Int'l money, and Torreyes get $700,000 in Int'l money.

    Really hope the front office knows what they're doing on Arrieta.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I wish they could have gotten more of a sure thing prospect rather than another pair of poor control guys. I thought Feldman was going to be a better trade chip.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    but they removed one player from the options for teams while adding atleast 1 maybe 2 players that could be flipped and both players they added have extra team control

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Feldman is what he is, a decent 4 or 5 starter with good control. Garza will bring you a better return, providing his arm doesn't fall off in the next 2-3 weeks. Garza at least has a track record of success. Feldman will be in the pen if the Os make the playoffs.

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    In reply to mutant beast:

    Yeah, I just heard Len Kasper give a good explanation for all 3 moves. He said the Cubs picked up a total of just under $1 million in IFA money. He said while we might hear of another signing or two of a bigger fish international guy, that money allows us to sign a ton of low profile, raw guys like we did with Starlin Castro and many others who signed for around $1500. In the past teams could compete for those guys without any limits but now the Cubs are in the drivers seat for signing guys like that this year. So don't focus on the 1 or 2 highly paid IFA's we sign, realize that we're kind of playing penny slots with that money in hopes of a huge payout a few years from now.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Love to see the Cubs get Jiminez, then spend whats remaining on some young arms. These kids wont likely be MLB ready for 5-6 years as it is.

  • After all these trades the Cubs have 27 players on the MLB club ....so who gets sent down ???

  • In reply to SouthsideB:

    Only 26 active players.

    Arrieta will go to Iowa and C. Villanueva will probably go back to starting

    So which reliever goes ?.... Camp ???

  • In reply to SouthsideB:

    Didn't they call up Rusin to replace Feldman?

  • Wow busy day so far John. A tad sad because I thought RonnyTorreyes was better than most. I think hes better off and it dosent really hurt us.Things are moving and its always interesting. Since our new FO has been here things are exciting thats for sure. Be in the bleachers for sat and sun games. Can;t wait.

  • In reply to rockyje:

    Torreyes was likely option #4 for 2bs in our minor league system. Alcantara is definetly ahead of him, and Barney likely becames a utility IF if hes not traded.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    If Barney becomes a utility IF, he should have been traded at his max value....

  • John's keyboard just melted. He'll need a backup--the day is only half-over.

  • In reply to Eldrad:

    Haha!

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John, aren't you glad you got your anniversary taken care of last week? And just wait, the funs only starting. The Garza sweepstakes are soon to come.

  • Cubs trade asplosion.

  • I liked watching Torreyes' at-bats this year. I hope he rises through the Astros system.

    This has the feeling of a big organizational shake-up; I wouldn't be surprised to see Jackson/Vitters gone by sundown.

  • I could be way off, but it looks like this is the net outcome for the day:

    Out:
    Feldman
    Clevenger
    Marmol (still responsible for approx $2 mil)
    Torreyes

    In:
    Arrieta
    Strop
    Guerrier
    +$963,000 bonus pool money

    Interesting

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    In reply to augiepb:

    We also save some payroll; about $1 mil in the Marmol deal, and roughly $2.9 mil in Feldman deal; total savings = $3.9 mil for what that's worth.

    That should pay for the new Jumbotron, no matter what the size

  • Be interesting to see what they do creating 25 man spots

  • In reply to nkniacc13:

    It might be more interesting to see what the Iowa pitching staff looks like this time tomorrow.

  • Still don't get the Marmol trade. Why not just DFA him and see if someone will pick him up?

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    In reply to Ike03:

    Nobody would claim the contract; we were stuck with it.

    This way, we a) get about $1 mil in cash payroll reduction, and b) get a pitcher that we don't actually hate right now (Guerrier).

    This cost us the $200K in IFA money, which means $1 IFA = about $5 real dollars, at least to the Cubs and Dodgers

  • In reply to Zonk:

    Which makes the Marshall trade an even bigger win. Seems we got back

    Wood, a solid lefty who still has upside. ($527,000)

    Sappelt, 4th outfielder type still two years from arbitration. ($492,000)

    $784,700 2013 IFA slot allowance.

    I'll officially give that trade a A+.

  • In reply to northside disciple:

    Not to mention Marshall has been hurt most of the year.

  • In reply to Ike03:

    They did DFA him. Nobody wanted him straight-up. Had to eat some salary to get a taker, though Guerrier isn't a terrible return. His BABIP's up about 50 points from his career norm this year. If that's just bad luck and him not becoming more hittable, he could be a nice 'pen addition. Pitch well for 3 weeks, send him out.

  • Has anybody else noticed that Chris Rusin is the probable starter listed vs the A's today?

  • In reply to elusivekarp:

    It was a "buy 1 plane ticket, get the 2nd at half-price" deal.

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    In reply to elusivekarp:

    Yeah, good for him. Completely earned it.

  • Cubs now have over $5 million in slot $. Jiminez will likely sign for 2.5 m or so. Id bet no one else is likely to be competing for him, unless the LAD get crazier than what they've already been.

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    Has anyone figured out the new 25-man yet? I haven't.

    Adds: Sappelt, Rusin, Strop, Guerrier

    Subtracts: Feldman, Sweeney

    We need to clear 2 more spots; something has to give here.

    Shawn Camp? Another trade? H-Rod?

  • In reply to Zonk:

    Rusin likely sent down Wed so you call him up to take Feldman spot today then you have Strop take that spot with Villienueva taking Feldmans rotation spot my guess is that you have Camp DFA for Guerrier unless another injury happens

  • Now that would be interesting. The Dodgers trade IFA money to the Cubs (which they would potentially need) in order to sign Jiminez. Looks to me like the Dodgers are going to sit this one out. They already did well last year, and I think they need to concentrate on the big club. I try to talk to people locally, but all they say is that the Dodgers are suffering from bad D. Again, I'm hoping they sit this one out and let the Cubs do their thing...

  • In reply to socalcub:

    Talk about bad D- Puig and Kemp are the only better than average defenders the Dodgers have. Ramirez cant play ss anymore, Ethier for some odd reason is regressing defensively and oddly, there infield really does miss Loney over at 1b. Still have no real 3b to speak of, so the left side of there infiled is terrible, even AGon doesn't appear to be what he once was.

  • Hold up, did we have to pay IFA money to the Dodgers or did we get IFA money? I might have read that wrong...

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    In reply to socalcub:

    John's initial post was wrong; we sent $200K to the Dodgers in IFA cash.

    In return, we will end up saving about $1 mil in actual payroll this year.

    That's basically the Dodgers trade, since both teams could have waited and claimed the DFA'ed guys for the ML minimum.

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    In reply to socalcub:

    We gave them money.

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    I like the moves made today. While Feldman was good this year, he had too get moved since the cubs weren't going too make him a qualifying offer in the off season. Same with marmol. Better to get a serviceable arm for marmol, then nothing at all. I am interested too see how international free agency turns out.

  • Has anything been announced on the return for Hisanori Takahashi, Lillibridge, Alberto Gonzalez, or Drew Carpenter yet? Maybe the Cubs will get some IFA spending money if not regular cash

  • In reply to nickdib123:

    no we cant get IFA in those deals

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    Who knew? The Cubs aren't sellers at the deadline-they're buyers!

  • So, we basically traded one year of Marshall for $800K in IF money and Travis Wood? Not a bad deal for Theo....

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    And Sappelt

  • In reply to Roscoe Village:

    Remember it's not money, just the right to spend our money IFAs. I keep having to remind myself.

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    Of all the moves, I'm a bit surprised by the Clevenger deal. Especially since Navarro seems to be a trade possibility. I read where the Padres "love" Arrieta. Maybe another deal in the works involving Garza, Navarro and Arrieta. Would expect Hundley or another catcher in return and of course more pitching.

  • Little OT here, but has anyone heard any news on signing Kris Bryant yet?

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    And my crystal ball works again. I'd mentioned Arrieta a while back as the kind of pitcher this FO would acquire and try to fix. I know people wanted more for Feldman but when you think about it this deal is a coup for us. Here's why.

    1. Arrieta is 3yrs younger than Feldman with 3 extra years of cost control. That alone puts the deal in the Cubs favor what with Scott only pitching on a one-year deal.

    2. Arrieta has much, much better stuff and has TOR potential and is 27. People say that's too old for a project but lets not forget about another pitcher who struggled with command but had frontline stuff and put it all together at age 27.....yep that's right....our own Jeff Samardzija.

    So basically, you got a 27 year old starter with frontline stuff and under control for 3 more seasons for little over a half-season of a 30yr old #4-5 starter having a career year that you gave up nothing but cash?

    Are you kidding me???? Then add a hard-throwing late-inning reliever on top?

    Coup................I could see people being angry if this is what Garza brought back, but we're talking about Scott Feldman here. Come on. This was an amazing deal.

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    Sorry for the bolds. Don't know why that happened.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Your BOLDS looked right by me! YOU always bring the BEST to this blog! (I couldn't get "my" bolds to work, so my SCREAMS will have to do!)

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