Trade Deadline Preview Series: Are the Pirates the best fit for the Cubs?

Trade Deadline Preview Series: Are the Pirates the best fit for the Cubs?
Nate Schierholtz

We covered the American League on Friday and after a break over the weekend, it's time to continue the series and take a look at a National League team that is perhaps the best trade fit for the Cubs.

I'm talking about the Pittsburgh Pirates, a team that finds themselves comfortably ahead in the race for one of the wild card spots.  But are they that comfortable?  The Pirates have shown themselves capable of playing well in the first half the past couple of years only to fade badly down the stretch and finish under .500.

They've been rebuilding seemingly forever in Pittsburgh but it really kicked into gear with the hire of Neal Huntington as GM, who has built a strong homegrown team centered around star CF Andrew McCutcheon.  But there are still holes, particularly in their rotation and in RF, where Travis Snider continues to fall short of his potential.

The Cubs have solutions in both areas.  The Cubs will probably hang on to Jeff Samardzija, Travis Wood, and Edwin Jackson but there are three pitchers who are more likely to be dealt in Matt Garza, Scott Feldman, and Carlos Villanueva. I think Garza is the best fit for the Pirates right now.

The Pirates have a good rotation led by Jeff Locke and free agent pickup Francisco Liriano.  Recent additions Charlie Morton and Gerrit Cole have given the staff a boost of late.  But they're no sure things with Morton just 3 starts into a comeback from an injury and Cole just a 21 year 'old rookie with 3 starts under his belt.  Adding another top starting pitcher could ease the pressure on a staff with an uncertain track record.

In RF, the Cubs have several possible solutions for the Pirates, led by Nate Schierholtz and David DeJesus if he can return from his shoulder injury.  Ryan Sweeney is also an option but the guess here is that the Pirates will prefer the players with the better track records -- as well as the healthier player of the two, which is Schierholtz.

But the fit isn't just coming from the Cubs side.  The Pirates have what the Cubs want as well, and that is young starting pitching.  The big prize is Jameson Taillon, who is 3-5 with a 2.93 ERA (3.25 FIP) in AA right now.  There is also the higher risk but equally talented young pitcher Luis Heredia, who is just starting his season in low A ball at age 18.  The guess here is the Cubs would want Taillon, who is closer to the majors and fits their timeline better.

If the Cubs were to trade two productive regulars like Matt Garza and Nate Schierholtz in the same deal, then they will certainly want more than one prospect, even one as good as James Taillon.

Aside from the two front line pitching prospects, the Pirates have a couple of intriguing position player prospects in CF Gregory Polanco (.312/.365/.476 with 27 SBs between high A and AA) and SS Alen Hanson (/297/.356/.451, 5 HRs, 20 SBs in high A ball) -- and we know how much this organization loves athletic up-the-middle position players.  But we're probably dreaming here.

The Pirates aren't likely to give up a second top prospect if Taillon is the headliner so the Cubs scouting team will have to get creative.  One interesting arm is Clay Holmes who is a big, athletic kid who can reach 95 mph with a good breaking ball, but is struggling with his control in Class A.  The Pirates also have a LH power arm (92-94) in Andrew Oliver, who was once a top 10 prospect with the Detroit Tigers, who has had good results  in AAA (3.21 ERA) and has missed tons of bats (10.23 Ks/9 IP)but has struggled with his control with a whopping 67 walks in 75.2 innings.  There's an intriguing power reliever in Vic Black who has been clocked as high as 101 mph and has a strikeout/walk ratio of 12.38/4.18 per 9 IP. All are intriguing because of their arm strength but the control issues are a big concern, particularly with the first two pitchers.

My favorite secondary prospect, however, is Nick Kingham who throws low 90s right now but he's big (6'5", 220 lbs) and projectable and generates great downward plane, something the Pirates organization is very good at teaching.  He was inconsistent last year but seems to have matured this season.  Kingham also throws a big breaking curve ball and a change.  His control has been good (1.80 walks/9 IP in high A and 2.25/9 IP in 2 AA starts) and he misses bats, striking out over a hitter per inning at each level. Here is video from the blog Pirate Prospects.

Kingham has mid-rotation potential, perhaps more if he adds to his fastball.

However the Cubs do this and maybe I'm dreaming on getting someone like Tallion, but the Pirates are in a position to do something they haven't done in 20 years and given their recent history of fading down the stretch, perhaps they roll the dice on picking up two veteran starters in Garza and Schierholtz.

And remember that ten years ago, the Pirates sent two veterans in Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton to the Cubs that helped catapult them into the playoffs and on the brink of their first World Series appearance in almost 60 years, can the Cubs return the favor and help the Pirates end their own playoff drought?

Stay tuned.

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  • Nice article, John. Would the Pirates' RHP James McDonald be a good "change-of-scene" pickup for the Cubs, maybe as a throw-in name in a larger trade? He seems to have plateaued in Pitt but has shown that he has good stuff in the past.

    One trade we can be glad we didn't make: Dan Haren. I see that he is on the DL after his hip and back problems were verified by Nats' team doctors. I'm glad we nixed the offseason deal for Haren over those same injury questions.

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    I think an injured Haren would still be better than a healthy Marmol who would have been what we gave up for him.

  • In reply to Holy Cattle:

    I don't understand that. Haren's career may be on the line because of these injuries. Marmol is still young, and could have a long productive career if he finds his groove.

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    I think if the Cubs trade those two players, they need to get 3-4 players back and so McDonald could certainly be on the back end of that. He's still 28 and has some ability. A project and maybe someone to plug in and audition when the Cubs rotation loses a starter or three.

  • I'd love to do a deal with an NL Central team, weakening that team long term while strengthening ours.

    That being said, I don't really see the Pirates as the greatest fit for our pitchers. They're 3rd in the majors in starter ERA and they'll eventually get Rodriguez back. Advanced metrics don't really show any of their starters due for a big correction with the exception of Wandy Rodriguez. I just don't see an obvious candidate to be replaced in their rotation if they were to acquire a Matt Garza.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    Locke also should regress. They don't have a front line guy in that rotation other than Cole, who has 3 starts. Maybe they hang on with that rotation, but really hard to see them getting very far.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    And we also know the Pirates have scouted Garza, so there's that too. They've demonstrated interest. To what level, I don't know.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    While I would love to get excited about this article, John, you're forgetting one very important element: AJ Burnett. Nobody here has mentioned him and he's about to come back:

    (from CBS) "Pirates starter Gerrit Cole may not be safe when A.J. Burnett is ready to return to the rotation, according to the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.
    General manager Neal Huntington was noncommittal when asked about the situation. "Gerrit's probably got the best stuff of anybody in the rotation ... (and) he's made three impressive outings. But the challenge is, if we need another starter (due to injury) later, it may make sense to send Gerrit back so we have a sixth quality starter," Huntington said.
    Even if Cole remains in the majors, it's unclear how many innings he'll pitch. Huntigton did not go into detail when asked about an innings limit, saying the team would employ a "scientifically based plan."
    Through three starts in the majors, Cole has a 3.44 ERA."

    While we all know the Pirates could use an upgrade in the rotation with so many shaky pieces in it but I doubt they agree. In fact it sounds a little crowded right now. Likely Morton would go to the pen to be the long man once Burnett returns leaving Burnett, Locke, Rodriguez, Liriano and Cole in the rotation with depth from Morton, McDonald and Gomez.

    Would the Pirates make a play for Garza or another pitcher? Sure, and their pen could use the most help (Gregg) actually. Schierholtz should be a target for them with their gaping hole in RF so a Schierholtz/Groggles deal could net us a very nice prospect or two, but in my opinion they're not hurting for pitching enough to give us Tallion or Glasnow. Sorry to spoil the party, gang.

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    I'd love to snag Taillion, just not sure the Pirates are going to give up all that much to bolster the run this year. On the other hand, they may look at the Nationals and think they have to take the chance when they're winning.

  • John,

    Nick Kingham is another guy that played high school ball in Las Vegas, and someone I played against numerous times growing up. Nice to see all these guys getting some attention. A lot of extremely talented guys come out of here.

  • In reply to NathanE:

    Nice. I'm a big fan of Kingham. One of my favorite under the radar prospects in a very good Pirates system.

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    I'd love to get Tallion and I could see it happening. Teams are much more willing during the trading deadline ala. Beltran-Wheeler.

    The Nationals are known for aggressively shopping for starting pitching. They have some arms of interest. A.J Cole, Lucas Giolito, Nate Carns, Sammy Solis, Matt Burke, Christian Garcia etc. All of those guys have frontline stuff and project as starters - especially Cole and Giolito who project as a #2 and #1 respectively - but most of them are recovering from injuries, a few tommy johns even, but maybe that makes them easier to acquire.

    I think i'd listen on Cole + Giolito + another upside arm for Garza + Dejesus(if needed to sweeten the pot)

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    The Pirates have a lot of prospect depth and maybe they do what they can to make sure they're a legit playoff team. I think there's a shot, but only if Pirates think they are a couple of pieces away from making a playoff run. I think they are.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Definitely. For the Pirates just getting into the playoffs period would be a win for them. They are finally close and as we've learned that window can come and go in the blink of an eye. The Pirates can't afford to miss that chance with the postseason drought they are in.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    It really is a tough call for them. If Cole and Taillon develop as expected, complementing McCurchen and Marte, they could be world beaters. Then you have Meadows and MacGuire to trade for upgrades in three years, and watch out. The problem is, if Taillon and Cole don't develop as hoped, then you've sacrificed this year for a future that never materialized.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I would jump all over that trade Marcel. I like the way you think.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    The Nats are intriguing as a potential partner. The only thing I don't like about this fir is I don't see their window closing anytime soon and so they may not be willing/able to give up surplus value for a run now.

  • I too have dreams of Taillon in a Cubs uniform. If the NL Central is neck and neck (and neck) like it is now, they might have to bite. Maybe returning a lower tiered prospect in addition.

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    They probably are dreams but I can't completely ruling out the Pirates making a big move. Even if it's not Taillon, lot of talent in that system.

  • I know we want to win by 2014 or 2015, but if we can get very
    young prospects then go for it. Because of the 40-man roster
    any 1 or 3, 2 for 4 trades will have to include prospects that
    don't have to be put on this roster.

  • Nice article John. Taillon's performance in the WBC this spring proved he wasn't quite ready for MLB hitters. If he can develop a 3rd plus pitch to go with his mid 90's heater and big ol' curve, he's got a chance at realizing his TOR potential. For most of his start (4IP, 4 hits, 1ER, 3K, 1BB) he kept the USA lineup off balance. You could just tell they were starting to figure him out though. But man, he made Ryan Braun look silly with that big breaking ball - especially after falling behind 3-0 to come back strike Braun out was something.

    I think he's exactly the type of guy we want. Any other potential good trade partners in the NL?

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    He is, but won't be easy to pry him loose. Pirates have an opportunity to win, which for them has been rare. Hope it's enough to tip the scales.

  • Excellent article John. If I were to hear sometime soon that the Cubs gave up Garza and Schierholtz and got Taillon, Kingham, and James Mcdonald I would be ecstatic. Professor Parks already said the Cubs have 4 top-25 prospects, and if they add Taillon by the deadline that would be an unfair 5 top 25 prospects for the Cubs

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    In reply to nickdib123:

    If we can get Taillon, Bauer, or another Top 25 arm for Garza, it would be a huge boost to the system. Probably #2 all by ourselves.

    Then we just have to get them to the majors :-D

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    ^^^This^^^

    I really don't want to move Garza unless we get someone special.

  • Taillion would just be too much risk for Huntington,IMO. I don't think he can run the risk of that blowing up on him, intra-division.
    That being said , he's exactly the type of prospect Epstoyer have been targeting. We'll see but I still see BOS & even TEX as better fits, at least for Garza.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    True, but can he run the risk of a third straight 2nd half collapse? As Epstein and Hoyer have said, opportunities to win are precious. Maybe too precious to rule out giving up a top pitching prospect.

    If it were reverse, would the Cubs consider trading a Pierce Johnson or a Paul Blackburn (and yes, I do know they're not at Tallion's level yet, if they get there at all), would you trade him for a guy with front line stuff down the stretch? I'd prefer not to, of course, but I'd consider it, especially given the attrition rate of starting pitching prospects.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Whether or not the Pirates trade for Garza and/or DeJesus remains to be seen, but if you are in the position to go for, then you just have to. Nothing is promised for next season (see the Angels or Nationals as Exhibits A and B) so I think you have to go all in when you get the chance. The opportunity to get a good prospect is there every year through the draft, IFA, trades, etc. The chance to make some noise in the postseason, not so much... particularly if you're the Pirates. I think they'll have to make some moves.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Wouldn't a teams financial wherewithal i.e., their ability to re-sign Garza play into this? I would think some can afford his $$$ for 2014 & beyond and therefore may be willing to give up more to get him. IDK if the Pirates are that team....

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John, r u planning a NL post with the rest of the league's possible trade partners?
    I like the comparison with r prospects.
    My gut says that Garza is going to give whoever gets him a Suttclife like 2cnd half; but that could just b cold pizza. And I still gravitate towards keeping him. Looking at the Pirates as trade partners, they may get greedy to our benefit. But this is a team that ending up over 500 is a huge monkey off their back and step forward. I don't see them betting the farm. Maybe a Feldman deal IMO.

  • I thought about Feldman, but we've been hearing more about Garza. Feldman may not be an upgrade over what they already have.

    As for other posts, I don't know if I'm going to do it one team at a time or one big post covering other NL teams other than the Pirates. I started with the latter, but the Pirates had so many good prospects that I found it getting long. Decided to dedicate one to the Pirates and I'm not sure which direction I'll go from here. I'm leaning toward one big piece like the AL, but we'll see how it goes.

  • Henry Rodriquez will be cut according to several sources.

    Look for a call up of a infielder.

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    In reply to CubsTalk:

    Yet Shawn Camp is untouchable....

  • http://espn.go.com/mlb/attendance

    Pirates PNC Park holds 38,496 and they average 23,203
    Royals Kauffman Stadium hold 37,902 and they average 21,693

    They both have an incentive to make a move early and bank an extra couple of million dollars for the rest of the season.

  • In reply to ucandoit:

    What a shame. If I lived in Pittsburgh and were a fan, I would try to go to as many games as possible. PNC is a gorgeous park, great place to watch baseball. Plus you can get in for less than $20.

  • i would absolutely love to get taillon. at the beginning of the year i was trying to find feasible trades that could land the cubs either taillon or cole (obviously cole is not gonna happen).

    i think this is a situation where the cubs can take advantage of being a big market club. throwing in money (im thinking 5 mil) with garza and schierholtz while taking back what would be dead money to the pirates (mcdonald) could prove to tip the scales in the cubs favor.

    garza, schierholtz and 5mil for taillon mcdonald and and a secondary guy (kingham YES PLEASE) could work out for everyone. if i were theo and jed id even include a bullpen arm, even a young guy like blake parker or dolis to show good faith in the deal.

    all in all i would very much like to do a deal with pittsburgh and getting a guy like taillon is exactly what i wanted in a garza return.

  • What other teams are sellers at the deadline marketing veteran pitchers?

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Biggest competition may come from the Phillies, who may become sellers and look to deal Lee. The Sox may want to move Peavy. Marlins will almost certainly trade Nolasco.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    MLBTR believes the Phillies might make Chase Utley expendable rather than Lee because they think Lee's contract will make it impossible to unload. It figures that the Sox & Marlins would be competing with us for prospects at the deadline-

  • John, good post.

    I think the trade deadline would be a fun time to see some surveys. You could list all of the guys who are at least a 50% chance of being traded and set up two questions: "Who do you want to see traded the most?" "Who do you want to see traded the least?" I bet you'd get some interesting results.

    For me it's probably a tale of two right fielders. I want DeJesus to go the most (older, most replaceable) and Schierholtz the least (showing good value and still some control; I could see him sticking around).

  • In reply to Matt Mosconi:

    I like Schierholtz as well and I wouldn't mind keeping him either, so if he and/or Garza are traded, you want to make sure you get high ceiling, lower risk players in return. Otherwise, I don't see much reason to give them up.

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    No offense John but I think the Pirates will target a big bat. I don't think Schierholtz profiles as a big enough bat and I think Garza is someone other teams need more. Of Nl teams I like Colorado, the D-backs and SF as potential partners.

  • In reply to Dale Miller:

    No worries about disagreeing. There's plenty of room for debate on this subject. But I have heard of Pirates interest in Schierholtz from a couple of different places now. Pirates have a nice rotation -- but looking at it up and down, it's hard for me to imagine that's one they want to take into the playoffs.

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    I see your point but if Taillon is their best chip, they'd be wise to get the bat first. I do think our FO will look for impact talent over quantity.

  • In reply to Dale Miller:

    They may want to do that but Huntington strikes me as a guy who will go for value. Because of that, I'm actually more confident about their interest in Schierholtz than Garza.

  • Theo is telling all the MLB teams he is willing to start dealing now.

    Giants, Braves, Diamondbacks, Padres, Dodgers, Cardinals, Nationals, Royals, Angels, Rangers, Red Sox , Yankees, Orioles, Tigers all looking at Cubs pitchers......

    No one wants Soriano....

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    The AP you are not........extremely old, obvious or oblivious info and you are the guy!

  • I know John A. wants me to be civil......but John A. never address his "buddies" who hide under various names to throw insults at me......

    btw, I was giving a thumbs up to the guy in Boise yesterday.....

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    I didn't say anything because I didn't see it until now. It makes no difference to me who it is. I ask that everyone be respectful to the other readers on this site and I'm going to delete that comment as well.

  • Cubs Talk is not being rude and he's not instigating anything here and if you don't like when he's instigating stuff, then why are you doing it now?

    I'm cool with it if he wants to give his opinion as long as he's not being rude. If you want to disagree with him, go ahead, but disagree with his comment and don't attack the person. That's not okay here no matter who does it.

  • I still miss Kenny Hubbs, too. I saw him play against the Dodgers in Los Angeles in 1962. He was a schoolboy legend in Southern California back then, excelling in all the major sports. On that team we also had a young Billy Williams and a young Ron Santo and a young Lou Brock. What a core, and all home-grown. It could have led to something memorable if not for Kenny's sad ending and the notorious Brock for Broglio deal.

  • In reply to tommy:

    Thanks Tommy. Aside from Ernie Banks, Hubbs was my role model when I played. I always wore 16 in his memory. Glad to hear from someone who remembers and understands the hope we all felt, even back then.

  • I don't see them doing Taillon. But what about Polanco, Kingham, and Glasnow? Might be a bit much.

    Glasnow is my second favorite prospect behind Taillon, but Kingham is having a great year too. I think a combo of Kingham/Glasnow/plus one would be about right for Garza/plus.

    Also: Dilson Herrera is a very interesting 2b prospect and I've read some very good things about Jhang at catcher.

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    In reply to StatHead:

    If you're going to move Garza, you really need to get a guy who is almost MLB ready, or a top prospect -- top 50 type guy. Glasnow is neither, so I wouldn't want him as the lynchpin of the deal.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Glasnow is easily a top 100 guy now, and Kingham is in that vacinity. Glasnow/Kingham/plus (maybe Jhang) is a very good haul and I'd feel lucky to get it. Garza is great, but oft injured and this is his last controlled year. If I'm the Pirates, I don't let Taillon go for that. If the Cubs can pry him away, great! I'm not getting my hopes up though.

  • In reply to StatHead:

    That's a pretty good haul of talent. I don't know how possible it is to pry Tallion loose but the Cubs need to start there. They need impact guys. I like Glasnow. Great arm, great size, power stuff, athleticism -- and a potential frontline guy, a higher ceiling than Kingham, but higher risk as well. I think getting those two and Polanco would be a nice haul. But hoping Cubs go for the jugular this spring. Last year we saw the Tigers give up their top SP prospect for a Sanchez rental and a cost-controlled secondary player. I think the Cubs need to try and go big here. Garza and Schierholtz are both in demand.

  • shoot ill take glasnow

  • Would really hate to give up Schierholtz in a trade. He is becoming a very realiable hitter who can get on base and has a a nice amount of pop, plus good defense.

    With Soraiano, Rizzo and Castro's hitting woes right now, I'm very nervous about giving him up for a prospect. It would create too many holes in the lineup. Seems like he has more value to us than to most other teams IMO.

  • In reply to DetroitCubFan:

    Yeah, me too. I'm not eager to give him up either. He's arguably been the best hitter on the team. Maybe not even arguably.

  • John do you think we have enough with Feldman, Garza, Russell, DDJ and Schierholtz to make a trade with both the Nationals and Pirates? I would jump up and down if we could get Cole, Giolito, Taillon and Kingham?

  • In reply to John57:

    We all would! I think that's a lot to ask. I think I'd be thrilled if we get one impact starter and some secondary intriguing arms like Kingham or Glasnow that have pretty high ceilings. Position player prospects too if that's the best that teams have to offer.

  • if Tallion isnt in the deal Have to get Heredia / Josh Bell and Kingham at the very least . Rather Palanco in any deal not involving Tallion.

  • glasnow is turning into a better pitching prospect than heredia

  • I'm hoping the Pirates and Cubs can collude to get a deal that'll help both sides and stick it to the Cards/Reds. That would be gratifying.

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    In reply to Paulson:

    I like the way you think. Anything that sticks it to the freaking Cardinals especially.

  • In reply to Paulson:

    A double win!

  • Lots of Cub trade rumors, which teams match up the best?

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    I think Boston, Pittsburgh, Kansas City match up pretty well. Cleveland is a darkhorse if they stay in the race, and become interesting if they're willing to deal Bauer. Bauer is a good example of a talent with question marks who might be easier to obtain than some of the other top arms we talk about.

  • Not sure the Pirates have the budget to lock up more of their core. The Hanrahan trade is a good example. They are not in the business of trading prospects. They want cheap vets. Schierholtz or DeJesus would probably make sense if they want somebody with an extra year of cost control, but I think they want a right handed hitter who has an expiring contract instead. Feldman makes the most sense to me.

  • In reply to elusivekarp:

    That could well be and that's an obstacle to a Garza deal -- but based on what we've been hearing we do have reason to believe the Pirates are interested in Garza, so they may be thinking of going for it this season.

  • I've always liked the Pirates the most of the rival NL Central teams, though I never harbored much disdain for the Astros. Maybe it's because the Buccos haven't had a winning season since before I was able to read, but they never really got under my skin. McCutchen seems like a genuinely awesome human being, on top of being one of the best 5-tool talents in the game.

    I'd be happy to see Garza and Schierholtz head over there and break that multi-decade streak without finishing at .500 that they've got. Of course, I'd be even happier 3 years down the line when Jamesion Tallion and Samardzija are giving the Mets Harvey/Wheeler combo a run for their money as the best 1-2 starting combo in the NL.

  • John do you think one of the reasons that a Dejesus or a Schierholtz maybe included in a deal with a Garza or Feldman would be because of that extra year of control with them allowing the team receiving them atleast something in the event that the pitcher walks in FA?

  • Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo 1m
    GM rumors du jour:Garza to Padres(Reymond Fuentes, 2 other Hoyer/McLeod prospects), Nolasco to Giants.

    Meh.

  • In reply to North Side Irish:

    If Max Fried / Hedges arent in deal no thanks.

  • In reply to North Side Irish:

    I actually just put up a new piece and posted that info.

  • Wouldn't be shocked to see the Cubs buy and sell this year. Shark's 28, if we plan on signing him, we need to transition into winning mode. The team isn't all that far off now. With a halfway decent pen, we'd be sitting about .500 or so. With the depth we've got in the minors, along with desirable short term assets, I can easily see us buying as well as selling.

  • I wouldn't mind the Cubs dealing Garza if they are overwhelmed with an offer but it seems that several fans are ready to sell for below market value. Some have posted that Garza is often injured, but prior to last year, he made 30+ starts in each of the previous four seasons. He's also posted ERA's below four in every season except for his rookie year when he pitched just 50 innings, and he's still below thirty years of age for the remainder of this season. And most of those innings were logged in the AL east.

    While Garza might not qualify as an ace for a playoff caliber team, he certainly fits in the top part of a championship rotation. Unless Theo and Jed are absolutely blown away with an offer, I say hang onto Garza, especially since they didn't select one of the power arms with their first draft pick. Prospects are simply that until they make it to the majors and succeed. Why give Garza away and even toss in another piece for a single prospect, even if that prospect is among the top 50 in baseball? The odds are stacked against prospects. I would hold out for three players in the top ten prospects list for the trade partner, and one of them would need to be among the top twenty in all of baseball or I would hope that Theo/Jed say thanks but no thanks.

  • In reply to WSorBust:

    I think this matter comes down to what value can be obtained that will outweigh Garza's presence for the timeline of winning. If Jed/Theo can obtain those who they see giving us a better chance to compete for the playoffs in a timely manner than Garza, then they pull the trigger. If that kind of value cannot be obtained for near-term performance, then they keep him. This FO sits in the driver's seat - a very good thing.

  • Whoops, let's post this where it belongs-

    What a great day. When Bruce Miles felt Rodriguez would be the odd man out today I didn't think it made a lot of sense to risk losing him at the expense of Marmol or Camp, and thankfully the FO agreed with that assessment. And bringing in Bogs is such a great move-- forget holding on to guys who whine and fail to produce like Stewie or Sappy. When you think about it, the release of Marmol and Stewart might be for different reasons but will accomplish the same goal... send a message that performance is necessary to stay in this organization. Playing with guys that can't produce is a serious bummer. Soriano needs to be the next and last overpriced under-achiever of the Hendry era to be sent on his way.

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