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Cubs pursuing top Venezuelan SS Gleyber Torres

Cubs pursuing top Venezuelan SS Gleyber Torres

The Cubs are sticking with their goal to procure talent from every corner of the globe.  Today the rumor is they are pursuing Venezuelan SS Gleyber Torres, who wowed scouts recently at an MLB showcase.

One scout described him as a toolsy player with the ability to defend with an above average arm, hit for average, steal bases, and hit around 15-20 HRs per year.  For a 16 year old, he doesn't offer a ton of projection but the Cubs like his polished baseball skills.  They like him enough, in fact, to invest over $2M to sign him.  Because they have the 2nd highest pool allotment, it will be difficult for any team except for Houston to outbid them.

It's a signing that would be consistent with the Cubs recent philosophy of going after athletic ballplayers in the middle of the field -- but ones with advanced skills and a high floor.

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    John. Where would he fall in the Cubs top prospect list?

  • In reply to Demarrer:

    I don't rank prospects (with few exceptions -- Castro, Candelario) while they are still in the DSL. Even if they sign him, we mIght have to wait a couple of years. Sorry about that. Just not enough info or play against a higher level of competition.

  • In reply to Demarrer:

    Tell me that you asked this question in jest, right?

  • I think the cubs see having a lot of shortstops as a new market inefficiency. You know they don't grow on trees. Plus teams will pay a premium for a true SS. If we can get him, he should be a good player for us.

  • In reply to cubsrock1988:

    Can never have enough shortstops. They are athletic and skilled enough to play any position defensively. And that trade value is huge if they perform at least at the high class A level.

  • I couldn't find the amount, so what is the cubs' $ allotment for international signings for 2013?

  • In reply to Eldrad:

    Cubs will probably be around $4M. Numbers not made public yet.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Thanks. It's a good spending strategy, I think, if this kid is head and shoulders above other position players at that age level.

  • In reply to Eldrad:

    There are higher ceiling guys, one of them is going for 3M and will probably go to the Astros. But Cubs also like a high floor and Torres seems to have that -- not that floors are all that high for 16 year olds.

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    The Cubs didn't get enough value out of Hak Ju Lee...I'm still upset about that trade. Archer would look great in the middle of this rotation as well.

  • In reply to Ray A:

    Timing of the trade was the worst part. Could have lived with it if Cubs were contenders.

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    If Cubs sign him, is that for this upcoming international money or last years? Does it reset at draft day?

  • In reply to Demarrer:

    It's for this year. They'll try to sign him around the July 2nd date when free agency period starts again.

  • Side Note: Looks like Juan Carlos Paniagua being delayed by visa problems. Still not with the Cubs.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Baseball America ‏@BaseballAmerica 7m
    Visa Issue Delays Cubs’ Juan Carlos Paniagua http://bit.ly/11OWMyY

    Sounds pretty routine...at least as routine as it can be with a guy on his third identity...

  • In reply to North Side Irish:

    Looks like he's getting an extra long look because of his age/identity issues in the past.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    If he has the talent give him the extra time he needs

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    That's what MLBTR is saying about him. Apparently this is a routine matter, theres also a Cardinals minor league pitcher named M artinez whos got the same issues Paniuga has.

  • Hey guys first time poster on here... this is just another example of the waves of talent the guys are assembling. I want to thank John as well as the other fans of this site. As a Cub fan from Arkansas this is by far the best website to follow. You guys know about all the prospects that others sites have no clue who they are. Just wanted to thank you guys and continue the good work.

  • In reply to ARcubfan:

    Thanks AR!

  • I think the Cubs are starting to separating players that are part of their future and players they will use to get pieces they need. I also think you will see Samarjza because their #3 starter by 2015.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Would love to see that.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    And does that mean you think Jackson becomes their #4 starter?

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    Who was the Cuban shortstop they were interested in a month or two ago? Did anything ever come of that?

  • In reply to Matt McNear:

    Issues with his age. He might be trying to appear older so as to avoid CBA restrictions.

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    Adam Wainwright signed for 5yrs 97.5mil. All I have to say is wow. I did not think he'd get that much and that many years. This guy just came off TJS and will be 32 this year. This deal is risky for any pitcher, let alone one with a significant injury history and lost alot of velocity. I call bad deal.

    Also Julio Borbon of the Rangers is out of options and out of a job. If he's not traded soon he'll be put on waivers. Pretty highly regarded prospect at one point and plays above-average CF. Anybody thinking he's be a nice waiver-wire pickup?

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I think he's really a 4th or 5th OF'er. Cubs could probably use a true CF, at least defensively, but he'd probably be more of a pinch-runner/defensive replacement. Not sure it's an upgrade overall though.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Hey, let the Cardinals take risks. Wainwright hasn't exactly been overly consistent ever since he came back from TJ#2. They also have to worry about Hollidays deal, I have doubts young Mr Omar Taveras is a CF. Holliday still has 5 yrs to go on his contract.

  • The kid has a smile on his face. I already like him!

  • I like to see the Cubs reaching in all directions for talent. You never know when you might get lucky!

    And yes, I have not said it, thanx to John & everyone for the articles, updates, info, & comments.

    We are getting close - just a few days away to another season! Made my annual bet on the Cubs to win it all this year. Foolish or not, every year I place the bet and one year I will collect. Maybe not this year - but, I can dream!

    Go Cubbies!!!

  • In reply to jaxx51:

    I saw the Cubs were 80-1 this season, down from 100-1 at the start of last season. I take that as we are making progress!

  • Time to place your bet before the odds get too good.

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    Any word on his approach at the plate?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Hard to gauge at that age and level of competition. Even when they do walk a lot, it can be because 16 year old pitchers are all over the place.

    They like his polished skills at the plate and in the field, so that can translate to a better approach with proper development.

  • Quick Question: When a scouting report says that a player "doesn't offer a ton of projection", what does that mean exactly? They don't see him getting much bigger?

  • In reply to PtownTom:

    Yes. Usually it refers to their frame. Some guys look small or thin but they also have a big frame and you can see there's some room to add weight.

  • Tigers' Rondon back to minors.

  • It is kind of odd that they don't project a 16 year old , maybe it is the case they don't expect him to get bigger. I love the fact that the Cubs are becoming players in latin america

  • Too bad Marmol has been awful lately. Talk about bad timing. I can't belive Tigers expect to compete for a championship this year with the bullpen they currenly have.

  • In reply to cubman:

    No shiitake. They barely reached the postseason last year with the 'pen they had then. Even with Miggy's season.

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    Non-thread related: I saw this on another Cubs blog, but if it's true, you have to love the sense of entitlement of some people. The rooftop owners are suggesting that for the Cubs to move from Wrigley Field would be a breach of the contract they have with the Cubs, as if the Cubs owe them a living. Shrug!

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    I don't go to many rooftops, but I have gone a couple of times. I regret ever giving these greedy clowns $1. Never again...

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    It's nice to hear Jason McLeod here. He just sounds like he's on top of things, it's a very nice thing to have in Cubs management. Given what he's saying about Baez, you can easily see him flaming out under the old management.

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