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2013 MLB Mock Draft: 1.0: First round through Cubs 2nd round pick

For our first mock draft of 2013, I decided to do something different.  I enlisted the help of two of our draft gurus: Kevin Gallo (Big League Futures) and Dan Kirby (Through the Fence Baseball).   I then picked names out of a hat and Kevin got the first pick, I got the second, and Dan got the 3rd.  We rotated this way until pick #41, which is the Cubs 2nd round pick. But because this is a Cubs website, Kevin and Dan also gave their opinion (in addition to my own) on whom the Cubs would pick given the players available.

It turned out to be a lot of fun and it was made interesting because of our different styles.  Kevin is big on upside and isn't afraid to go off the board.  I'm easily the most conservative drafter and Dan is probably somewhere in between -- so it made for some interesting picks along the way...

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  • We need pitching and these guys will do. Later in the draft go for
    hitters. Lets hope Boras does not blow this

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Lots of good college arms to choose from if they go that route.

  • I don't get it. With the 2nd pick, John took Appel. Dan said he would have taken Manea, Kevin said he would have taken Bryant. So then for pick 3, Dan took Meadows and Kevin took Manaea. So.... Kevin and Dan don't agree with taking BPA? Why would they say they'd take 2 guys at #2 and then take different guys with their upcoming picks?

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    We'll have to see what their philosophy is. I'm definitely a BPA guy and I like a high floor to go with my high ceiling -- which is why I took Appel.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I mean, it's obvious it's not BPA. Otherwise they would have taken the same guy they said they'd take at 2 with their picks at 3 and 4.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    BPA is in the eye of the beholder.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    So, for clarity, for the 2nd pick did you say who you thought the Cubs would take, but then for the 4th pick did you say who you would take?

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    For the most part yes.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Bryant is interesting to me, I'm not sure how he generates so much power. He has one of the widest stances I think I've seen. He must have incredible core and upper body strength. His stance reminds me of like a Brandon Phillips. But hey, he does it. Wouldn't be my pick fwiw.

  • In reply to Nick Nesler:

    That is kind of an odd stance. I like Bryant, but I agree on not being the top pick for me. I like the college pitching at the top.

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    I can get a high quality Arm later in the Draft but I can't get a bat later like Bryant later in the draft that can play 3B.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    But you picked Manaea 4th, not Bryant...

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    I went with what the Twins value with my 4th pick. I did that with a lot of my picks.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    But can he play 3b? He reportedly needs a lot of work to become adequate there. Or is "adequate" enough with a strong bat?
    (BTW, doesn't that bat have holes?)

  • In reply to TulaneCubs:

    I tried to think like the organization I was picking for. The Cubs need pitching and I think Manaea is the best. The Rockies haven't fared well with pitchers in the first-round and coupling Meadows with Dahl in the outfield could be highly entertaining. Plus, I reaaally like Meadows.

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    This might sound crazy but it wouldn't surprise me at all if our first 3 picks are all pitchers....maybe a catcher with one of them. Im pretty sold on Appel with 2. Immediately becomes our top pitching prospect and should be ready quickly.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    It wouldn't surprise me. I was thinking catcher in the 2nd but I'm a big fan of Eades, so when he was still there, had to scoop him up. Thought he was the best player on the board.

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    am I the only one having trouble with this? I get the opening page with frazier but when I click next it just refreshes the same page.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    Really? I'm not having any issues through the main page. Anyone else?

  • In reply to SKMD:

    I had several frames in the middle somewhere where the picture didn't refresh but the player bio did. Only happened 3 times though covering 6 players.

  • In reply to SKMD:

    My guess is you are using firefox? Try going to options/content and enable javascript. Or if you have, like myself the NoScript plugin (that's a rabbit hole that will blow your mind when u see all the tracking etc. going on at a given site) you need to allow Cubs den,ngigya and chicago tribune.

  • Warning - I'm not computing savvy. That said, I was using my iPad and I thought I was using Safari.

  • Bats don't last as long as arms in the Draft.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Depends on your philsophy. If you're pure BPA then you'll go with the guy at the top of your board regardless of whether he's a pitcher or position player.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    But best player available is subjective. That's my point. Its what the team considers the best player. There is a list that everyone as to go by not all teams value players the same.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Don't understand why bats going early would matter to BPA philosophy, though. You take the top guy on your board whether he's a bat or a pitcher even if you believe bats will go early.

    Really see the strength of this draft as college pitching which means there should be some good ones in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, not to mention high school arms that will get pushed down as well. But that doesn't mean you don't take a pitcher in the first round if you think he's clearly the best player.

  • no way does AJ Puk make it to 42 unless He gets hurt

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Actually, I think here is a decent chance of that happening.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    AJ Puk is going to college.

  • In reply to Cubswin4harry:

    Is that speculation or a done deal for him?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Educated speculation...Edulation? In addition to dad and several uncles having illustrious big 10 football careers, dad is a doctor (I'm a former patient of his) and I think a few other relatives also have advanced degrees.

    Point being the family values college education. He's committed to the Gators as well. I'm sure they would never shut the door on a professional career, but I'd guess they lean heavily towards college.

  • Bad news... Wayne Randazzo of WSCR (and K.C. Cougars broadcaster) just reported that Albert Almora tweeted that he broke his hamate bone today.

  • In reply to Getmonty2:

    It's all over the Twitter verse. Looks like we're looking at 6 weeks or so, maybe 8.

  • Yahoo sports

    Hamate bone fracture is a common baseball injury

    By Jeanne Rose, Yahoo! Contributor Network Tuesday, Oct 4, 2011

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    There are a lot of injuries that might affect a baseball player, and some of them involve bones in the wrist or hand. One injury that affects a lot of people playing baseball is a hamate fracture, and this is just one of the many potential wrist injuries. One Major League Baseball player to suffer this injury in 2011 has been Domonic Brown of the Philadelphia Phillies.

    Here is some important information about the hamate fracture, treatment, and what it can mean for an athlete:

    Overview of Hamate Bone

    The hamate bone is one of the many carpal bones in the wrist, and it has an outward area shaped like a small hook. The hamate bone is on the pinkie finger side of the wrist, and it is one of many common broken bones that a baseball player can have. This bone is broken easily because it is near the surface of the palm and can fracture with moderate contact with an object, like a bat. For a baseball player, the hamate bone is very important because it helps control movement in both hitting and pitching. Whether you hit or pitch in baseball, this hamate bone can break or fracture easily, whether it comes in contact with a bat or the tendons become sheared off of the top of the bone.

    Hamate Bone Fracture Symptoms

    The most common symptom of the hamate bone fracture is pain, which can make it hard for a baseball player to grip a baseball or bat. The pain might be made worse when swinging the bat or throwing the baseball, to the point where the player cannot continue through the motion. There is also inflammation or swelling around the hamate bone, which might be seen on the wrist or palm area. Sometimes the swelling can be seen within minutes if the bone was hit hard enough. If the pain continues for a few days, a computerized tomography scan is taken, which can show the image of the broken hamate bone. Often times, the hamate bone fracture is not uncovered until an imaging scan is taken, since it cannot usually be seen on the outside.

    Treatment

    Treatment for a baseball player suffering from a hamate bone fracture depends upon when the injury occurred, whether it was days ago or months ago. If the hamate bone fracture occurred days ago, then the likely option is immobilization of the wrist. This means that the player will be in a cast, usually for about four weeks, so that the bone has a chance to heal by itself. Pain medications or anti-inflammatory medication might be given to the baseball player, which can help ease the pain and swelling around the hamate bone. If the hamate bone was fractured months ago and went unnoticed, then surgery is usually required. When surgery is required, the doctor will go in and completely remove the hamate bone from the wrist, since it was not able to heal properly. A baseball player that has surgery to remove the hamate bone is looking at about a three-week recovery time, with the wrist being immobilized in a cast throughout that period.

    Overall Impact on a Baseball Player

    The good news about the hamate bone fracture is that the impact on a baseball player is minimal, meaning it is not likely to impact the player on a long-term level. Short-term, however, a baseball player might have to wait about six weeks before returning to the field or training on a normal basis. Sometimes, physical therapy might be needed to build up the muscles and strength needed to play baseball regularly again, although it is not common. Although recovery time is short, a baseball player might feel less power hitting or pitching, and the loss of power or speed might continue up to a year after the surgery. Usually, however, within six weeks a baseball player can return to normal activities and not see a significant drop in speed, strength or power.

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  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Thanks E.

  • Based on your description, Colin Moran sounds an awful lot like Vitters.

  • In reply to Pura Vida:

    Similar. Both big guys who don't hit for a lot of power. At least early on. Defense sketchy too. Moran has shown better plate discipline though.

  • John, if Appel went 1 who would you have taken at 2?

  • In reply to CubsML:

    I would have went Manaea but it would be a tough choice. That could change in the next few weeks. Frazier is impressive, Jonathan Gray could still move up...and Meadows or Stanek have yet to heat up. If they finish strong it could change things.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Law doesn't think Frazier can stick in CF. Assuming that's true (which I grant it may not), would that be reason enough to pass on him at two?

  • In reply to CubsML:

    That would be the main reason. Also, BA asked some scouts and they think he'll swing and miss a lot and isn't as patient as Meadows. FWIW, I thought Meadows was the more patient hitter when I saw them both as well.

    The bat speed, is elite, however, and that gives him the potential for big time power, which should be good enough to go in the top 5 spots in the draft. And all it takes is Houston to believe he can play CF for him to go #1 overall.

  • Puk was throwing a side inside the gym at CR Wash recently and was hitting 98 on the jug gun , lots of ride on the FB too. From a teacher that works with my Step mom also a teacher in CR . So i cant substantiate it .

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    If that's true, then he could rise quickly. Have they started the season there? Once scouts clock him at 98 it'll get their attention.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I should that he wouldn't even have to hit 98 to go earlier. If he's consistently mid 90s, that's big time velo for a prep lefty.

  • Considering this mock came out on the same day as Law's top 50 it's hard not to compare the two. Austin Wilson at 5 on his board and then going 20 in this draft is major discrepancy. Law's enthusiasm had me thinking he could move into the discussion for 2 if he got hot once he started playing. But now that seems unlikely.

  • In reply to CubsML:

    This was actually written last night, so didn't see Law's 50 until well after our mock was finished.

    Law is a big fan of Austin Wilson but, in my opinion, 5 is a little high. He's a corner guy and right now he doesnt have the power for it, though he does have the size/strength to add power later. First he has to retool his swing. He has that Stanford swing which is designed to make contact more than power. I think its a lot to gamble that he can fix it quickly enough, especially since he has missed time early on. If he does, his all around skill set should move him back up. It's either that or a team has to believe strongly they can revamp his swing after hes drafted.

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    Great stuff, guys!

  • In reply to João Lucas:

    Thanks. It was a lot of fun doing it. Those guys kept me guessing!

  • I am sorry fellow fans. I am an idiot.

    When I checked into my hotel last night, there was a sign that I read as "Welcome Indiana State Basketball Team". I thought to myself, why is the ISU basketball team here in Madison WI? It makes no sense at all.

    The next morning as a head down to breakfast, I run into one of the ISU BASEBALL players who is in uniform. I talk with him about where they are going (U of Minnesota for games) how they are doing (6-6) their spring trip (San Antonio).

    Anyone guess what I am missing so far?
    Down in the breakfast area are about 25-30 Indiana State Baseball players all in uniform eating breakast. Still nothing from my brain.

    I get up to leave and walk by an older gentleman in uniform and I see his name on his shoulder bag and it says "Head Coach".

    Still nothing from my brain.

    I get to my car. SEAN MANAEA! You idiot.

    I couldn't bring myself to go in there again, but if I had thought about it, I would have gotten my pad out, claimed I was a writer for Cubs Den and we are following his star lefty and can I ask you a few questions.

    Oh well. Brush with greatness missed.

    If I run into the Stanford baseball team, I will be better prepared. I promise.

  • In reply to IrwinFletcher:

    Haha! Great story! Manaea is on tomorrow against Minnesota, who is countering with another potential first rounder, Thomas Windle. It'll be on ulive. I'll post the link tomorrow for those interested.

  • Sheez. Kris Bryant just hit 3 HRs tonight. He's been on fire.

  • For the year, Kris Bryant is hitting .400/.576/1.000 with 6 doubles and10 HRs. Holy moly. This is a good year to have a top 5 pick.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    He is a very special talent.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Kevin, I would love to watch you and Law argue about prospects. You call Bryant a special player, he says Bryant is merely a good hitter in a down class. You take Meadows at one thinking he can play CF, Law places him at 10 because he can't play CF. You take Reese McGuire ahead of Denney, in yesterday's chat Law said this was indefensible. I think I would learn more about scouting and player evaluation/valuation just being seeing both sides of these arguments fleshed out. Knowing what he (or his like) is seeing versus what you're seeing.

  • In reply to CubsML:

    I'd like to see that debate too!

    (I think you meant Frazier and not Meadows, by the way)

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Whoops, you're right, I meant Frazier.

    It would be nice to know if some of this is subjective, or a matter a catching one player on a good day, or if it's that one person has older reports, ect.

    Maybe Kevin would be willing to take up some of these points?

    Here's what Law had to say about McGuire v. Denney, "Denney's much more of a complete package right now. McGuire doesn't have Denney's power, and had trouble receiving better quality stuff last summer. I don't think there's a good case at all for having Denney behind McGuire." Kevin, what's wrong with Law's argument?

    Also, re: Frazier, if Frazier isn't a CF, would you still take him #1? Does his draft position hinge entirely on how you answer that question? Or does he have enough bat to justify #1 overall regardless of position?

  • In reply to CubsML:

    I'll let Kevin answer this too but it's a little bit of everything you point out.

    As an example, whether Frazier can play CF or not is not unanimous either way. There are some who think he doesn't have the instincts for it, but others argue that the the speed, skill, and athleticism is there and that he hasn't played the position long enough to display those instincts -- and that he'll get better with more experience and coaching.

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    Any chance Gray could sneak up to number two overall?

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Yes, there's definitely a chance. Looks like this year's biggest riser. Has at least two plus pitches and his change looks improved. May have passed Stanek. If there was one thing I didn't like is that he seemed to have kind of a bad body last year and got himself into better shape this year. I hope that's a permanent thing for him.

  • Who ever the Cubs pick, it will be a great player. The Cubs lucked out, looks like a very good top heavy draft. If your not getting a top 5 pick, it looks like it drops off a bit. I'll be happy with Appel , Manea or Bryant. Either way, they will get potential star.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    They should get a good player, no question.

  • While I am sure you guys had fun doing this, it also took some effort. I appreciate your doing so.

    Had I been participating I would have made each selection with the specific team's needs in mind. That's how I viewed the discrepancy in what was said by Kevin and Dan about the Cubs choice and what the following choices were that they made.

    Thanks all!

  • In reply to Hubbs16:

    Thanks. It actually took a couple of days to go back and forth on email. Luckily there was a good chunk where we were all available and got most of it done. And Dan and Kevin were lightning quick with their picks. They're already working on or have done their own mocks, so they were very prepared.

    I do think both Kevin and Dan considered teams individually rather than a straight board.

  • DBacks just returned Peralta to the Cubs !!

  • In reply to Panama Cub:

    sweet!

  • In reply to Panama Cub:

    Where'd you hear this?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Is on rotoworld...

  • In reply to Panama Cub:

    Thanks Panama. That's some good news!

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Big gamble, but the Cubs broke even!

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Yes...in fact, they did better than even because they keep Peralta without having to use a 40 man roster spot.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    You said that he would come back. I like his arm and just happy to have him back.

  • John, OT, but do the Cubs place Peralta back at Kane County now. Also do you think if he'd had an ERA )

  • In reply to Good Captain:

    He finished strong at Peoria last year so I think he's going to Daytona.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Now he's got to develop enough this year to justify a spot on the 40 man, or we will lose him for sure next year. Unless, he just completely flames out of course.... trying to be optimistic here though.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    True. I'm glad to have an extra year to look. Cubs will have better info to make that decision by the end of next year.

  • All this information on these players is okay....but at the end.......the Three Amigos here are not the people drafting these people.........the teams and the people who will draft these kids, have done background checks on these kids, have people follow these kids around after baseball hours, and will need to discuss a deal with these agents before they are drafted........sometimes a team will bypass a higher draft layer due to money demands or some quirk ( Not Jamie) on the player,like does he smoke dope, into Strippers, his dating habits, etc........if you think I am crazy for saying this, there is allot of money being invested into these kids.....no team wants to make a expensive, wasteful draft choice at the end.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    True. All players are thoroughly reviewed and that includes their mental makeup. It's a long process and Cubs still have plenty of work to do.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yeah, and it's still real early with lots of movement up & down before draft day. But these are still fun to do. I appreciate the work you, Kevin, & Dan did on this. Quality stuff!

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    You're welcome and thanks! There will be some movement but the top 7 or 8 are solidified. I think you'll see Appel, Manaea, Frazier, Meadows, Gray, Stanek, and Bryant go in some order in the top 7. A couple of good high school catchers too, but taking them top ten is risky. A few others to watch that could crack the top 10, maybe Braden Shipley. But other than that, not expecting a ton of movement up top.

  • Kevin, haven't seen Anderson go that high (#16) anywhere else. I was hoping he could slide into the Cubs 2nd pick range....

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Starting to hear he's top 20 now. Rising quickly.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    He is one of those fast risers but he may slow up or drop a little. There will be a lot of up and down with players in the up coming months. We are doing a top 100 over the weekend at Bigleaguefutures.net that might give everyone an idea what this class might look like and how depth the pitching really is.

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    Confirmation of Peralta story from official Cubs transaction page: http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=chc#month=3&year=2013&team_id=112

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Thanks. I'll mention it in the preview and thread, which will be up in about an hour.

  • I thought our 2nd round pick was 43. Did something happen? And is our 3rd round pick 30 higher than our 2nd round pick. so 71?

  • In reply to John57:

    I used this mlb.com draft list.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2013/order.jsp

    Cubs have pick #75 in 3rd round.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Thank you very much.

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    Nice outing by Manaea yesterday. It would be nice if both he and Appel establish themselves as potential aces this year.

    http://www.gosycamores.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPID=7256&DB_OEM_ID=15200&ATCLID=206780219

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