Cubs MLB Draft Preview: 2nd and 3rd Round Pitching Candidates

Cubs MLB Draft Preview: 2nd and 3rd Round Pitching Candidates

However their first round pick goes, the Cubs are likely to stock up on pitching in the draft.  Last year the Cubs selected Albert Almora in the first round, but then went on to select pitchers with the next 7 picks (Pierce Johnson, Paul Blackburn, Duane Underwood, Ryan McNeil, Josh Conway, Ariel Prieto, and Trey Lang).

It may not be all that different this year and there are some intriguing arms that will be available after the first round.

Let's take a look at some of the arms we like...

High School Arms

  • Kevin Davis RHP (AL):  Davis is not a particular big pitcher at 6’1, but he has a good arm with a fastball that tops out at 94 and sits in the low 90s.  Additionally his fastball has some sink and late movement.  His secondaries show some promise as Davis also throws a power curve in the 78 mph range that has good shape and tight spin.  He shows a good feel for a change up.
  • Chris Oakley RHP (NJ):  We'll jump about half a foot in size here as Oakley is about 6'7 or 6'8" with a good fastball that touches 95 with some movement  and still has a lot of projection and could add even more velocity. His secondary are still developing, however. He has an easy delivery and adds a mid-70s curveball that has plus potential.  He's also developing a splitter.
  • Robert Tyler RHP (GA):  Is a 6’5" lanky right-hander with a fastball that top out at 94.  The fastball shows great late sink and run and sit in the low 90s.  His best pitch, however, may be his changeup. It sits in the low 80s with great sink.  He is still developing his breaking pitch, a curveball that shows inconsistent break.
  • Dustin Driver RHP (WA): Driver is  6’2, 210 lbs. with a durable frame and features a fastball that tops out at 94 with good sink and tailing action.  He delivers the fastball with good downward plane.  There are some mixed opinions on his breaking ball.  Some say it's a sharp curve, though Kevin says right now it looks more like a slurve.  His changeup shows a lot of promise also.  Driver has a  bulldog mentality on the mound.
  • Derik Beauprez, RHP,  (OH):  Beauprez is a big, physical pitcher at 6’5 and 220 lbs. with a fastball that tops out at 93 with good late life.  He is still somewhat raw but also very projectable, so it isn't hard to envision him throwing harder as he continues to mature.  He shows a good feel for a change up and his curveball is still developing.  Some good tools to work with so he has the potential to rise into the first round with a good season.
  • Casey Shane RHP (TX):  Is 6’4, 220 lbs with a nasty, sinking fastball that sits in the low 90s and tops out at 94 with plus sink.  He also throws an advanced change up with good late movement.  His breaking ball is still developing but shows flashes of being a plus pitch as well.  His mechanics need some work, something that may account for his command issues. A lot of projection left with the potential for  above-average stuff across the board.
  • Brett Morales, RHP, (FL): Morales is an athletic pitcher with an easy delivery and good arm speed -- though he sometimes throws across his body and loses command.  He was mostly 89-93 this summer but has reached 94 in the past.  He shows good spin on a curveball, and some feel for the change, although his command, as mentioned, was spotty at times, including at the UA game that I attended last fall.  He shows a 12-6 curveball and a good change-up with both having the potential to be plus pitches down the road.
  • AJ Puk, LHP, (IA) Puk is an athletic 6’6, 205 lbs with a lot of projection left.  He shows good arm strength and his fastball currently tops out at 92 but he has a good chance to build on that down the road.  His curveball (mid 70s) shows good shape and depth to it.  Kevin hasn't seen a change up from him nor have I seen any reports that mention that pitch.   Puk is a very intriguing draft prospect due to his size and athleticism but a strong commitment to Florida could make him a tough sign.
  • Trey Cobb, RHP (OK): Cobb hails from Broken Arrow H.S., the same school that produced top Diamondbacks prospect Archie Bradley.  Cobb is about 6'3" and 195 lbs with a frame that leaves room for some projection.  He tops out around 91 from about a 3/4 arm slot with occasional side arm action.  He shows great feel for a change-up, throwing it with good arm speed.  Cobb throws strikes and changes speeds with his curveball. Overall he displays  great pitchability with the potential to throw harder down the road.
  • Thaddius Lowry, RHP (TX): is  6'4, 210 lbs with an athletic build.  After throwing in the low 90s with his fastball that features some late tail and sink, Kevin reports that Lowry recently hit 95 .  He also shows a good 2 plane slider with tight spin and sharp break.  He also has a split-finger with great downward movement.  It was dominant at times and may well be his best pitch.  Lowry also knows how to vary speeds and displays good pitchability.  Combined with his athleticism and possible increase in velocity, Lowry could be a sleeper in this draft.
  •  Carlos Salazar, RHP, CA:  Salazar is a late riser on the strength of reports that he has hit as high as 97-98 with his fastball.  Right now he could go as high as the 2nd round and could still go up before the draft.  His secondaries are still developing with his change-up being his next best offering right now, perhaps a solid to above average pitch.  His curveball is a work in progress but shows some promise because of it's late movement.  It did show some improvement at the most recent senior game in January.  He has some command issues walking 55 hitters over 77.1 innings, though he struck out 159 and allowed just 30 hits. Lots of arm strength and potential is he can harness his raw ability.

College Arms

  • Trevor Williams, RHP, Arizona State: Williams can throw in the mid 90s but sometimes works a few ticks lower than that. He also features a slider, curveball and change-up.  He had a great season last year, goingt 12-2 with a 2.05 ERA with just 13 walks in 109.2 innings.  But despite his good velocity and full repertoire, Williams doesn't strike out a lot of batters (just 59) and gives up more hits than someone with his raw stuff should.
  • Kevin Ziomek, LHP, Vanderbilt:  The 6'3, 200 lbs  Ziomek didn't have great numbers at Vandy (5.22 ERA) but came on strong in the Cape Cod League where he went  3-0 with a 1.27 ERA, 0.99 WHIP and 36 K/6 BB over 28.1 innings.  His fastball sits in the low 90s and tops out at 93 mph wit some run.  His changeup looks like a plus pitch at times while is curveball was  inconsistent but shows promise.
  • Thomas Windle, LHP, Minnesota: Windle is an intriguing pitcher.  At 6'4", 215 he throws and 88-94 mph fastball but he's very projectable and could velocity as he matures physically.  He has the makings of a plus slider and a solid change. He has been mostly used out of the pen so he has a fresh arm -- and then impressed at the Cape Cod League over the summer, where he we posted a 2.35 ERA with 47 K/7 BB over 38 innings.  If he can continue that improvement with his command, Windle could rise come draft time.
  • Kent Emmanuel, LHP, North Carolina:  The 6'4" Emmanuel is a starter who has put up good numbers in his first two years at UNC.  He's not an overpowering pitcher (low 90s fastball) despite his good size.  He's more of a workhorse with very good control who can eat up some innings.  He plays up his solid velocity with good deception, an above-average change-up and an improving breaking ball. He also shows great poise on the mound.
  • Ryan Eades, RHP, LSU:   Eades has all the tools and looks the part -- but it hasn't sown in is results yet.  His numbers last season were somewhat mediocre (5-3, 3.83 ERA, 63 strikeouts in 94 innings). Has an ideal 6'3" frame, a mid-90s fastball and a power curveball with good downward break that has all the makings of a plus pitch.  He has also shown a change-up and slider.  He has an easy delivery with good command.  He's a very talented pitcher who could find himself going a lot earlier in the draft if he puts it all together.
  • Scott Frazier, RHP, Pepperdine: Frazier has great size at 6’-7”, 230-pound right-hander.  He features a fastball that is about 91-94 mph, though some reports have him in the mid 90s.  He also has hard curveball and a solid change, but like Eades and Williams, it has not yet translated into the kind of swing and miss stuff you expect to see from a pitcher with his size and ability.

 

***Thanks to Kevin Gallo as usual for his excellent contributions. Also a hat tip for Dan Kirby for his great info as well.  This is not an exhaustive list and you can find more information at Big League Futures and Through the Fence Baseball.***

 

 

 

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  • Thank you, John and Kevin! I will be referring to this often as we get closer to draft day.

  • In reply to Quedub:

    You're welcome!

  • In reply to Quedub:

    YOur Welcome

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    Great stuff John!!!! This is why the Cubs Den is a must read for all Cub fans. I spoke with a scout from Phillies , who said Lowry might be a 1st round pick after all. Great potential

  • In reply to Sportsgod:

    I could see him jumping into that talk without any problem. But I will let you in on a little secret. The 1st round picks is the scouting Director's or GM's picks not the scouts.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    In your opinion, how does the GM and/ or Scouting Director tend to skew the selection process relative to the average scout? I appreciate your take on this, thanks.

  • In reply to Good Captain:

    I have saw a ton of Scouting Directors and GM at games last year. I saw Hoyer at 2 different games one at Fried and the other Zimmer games. They know how to scout.

  • In reply to Sportsgod:

    I really, really liked Lowry and I immediately thought "Wilken guy" the more I started to learn about him.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I agree, He would be a Wilken guy. I really like what I have heard. I am still looking for for video, but one of my guys have seen him.

  • Awesome as always John, this place IS a one stop info place for all Cub and baseball fans . This is where I think the Cubs will take high ceiling high school pitchers.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    Thanks Steve! I think high school is more likely too and it's why we have more names from that side.

  • Here, here. Great post!

    I don't even remember some of those names of pitchers we picked pretty high last year. John, putting aside the obvious guys like Johnson, Blackburn and Underwood, which pitcher from the 2012 draft class do you think will prove to be the "sleeper" -- a guy who dramatically who dramatically out-performs his draft spot?

  • In reply to Taft:

    Thanks Taft.

    I like Conway as the biggest sleeper. But also keeping a close eye on McNeil and Lang.

    For deep sleepers I like Michael Hamman and Nathan Dorris.

  • Trey Cobb kinda seems like a big league name.

  • In reply to Hubbs16:

    I like Cobb a lot. He has good instincts on the mound and would be a great 3rd round pickup.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Kevin, have you followed Joe Zeller, the knuckleballer, any? His numbers seemed decent last year, any chance he can be a sleeper prospect?

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    Great stuff John, and thanks to Kevin and Dan for their contributions.

    I'm sure Derek Johnson will have some special insights on Ziomek, but is that a good or a bad thing for Ziomek in regards to the Cubs?

    Trevor Williams is always around the plate, maybe to much so. I wonder if he'll be one of those rare guys whose K:9 actually gets better as a pro, at least initially, because of the differences between wood and aluminum bats. If he breaks out, he won't be around long on draft day.

    I think there is almost no chance that Ryan Eades is still available in the third round, and he might not be available in the second round either. He may pitch like a mid-rotation type, but he has top of the rotation stuff. Someone will take a chance on him before it gets back around to the Cubs, especially if he breaks out.

    Like Eades and Williams, Scott Frazier is intriguing, and for all the same reasons. Of the high school kids, Oakley, Tyler and Puk do the most for me. I like tall lanky kids with lots of projection.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    My bad, I meant to say I like Oakley, Tyler and Frazier, of the high school pitchers, the best.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    I can't type worth a hoot. I'm to loopy when I'm on night shift.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Williams is on the mound tomorrow, I believe.

    Eades is off to a good start also. I think he winds up comfortably in the first round if he keeps it up.

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    Not to completely change the subject, but I have a question about the 2014 Draft Class. John, you already know I have a serious man crush on Notre Dames Pat Connaughton, but I'm curious to know what Kevin and Dan think. The comparisons to Samardziga are appropriate in my opinion, and I think his future, as a pro athlete, is in baseball, not basketball. He threw well as a freshman, mostly as a starter, and the stuff seemed to be there. He also has a history with Hoyer and McLeod, as they drafted him out of HS in the 38th round while with San Diego. It's also pretty much a given that, if he'd not been such a solid commit to play basketball at ND, he'd have gone a lot higher, probably between rounds 5 and 10.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    To be honesty I haven't seen him at all. Notre Dame will be in SoCal next weekend but I am not sure if or when He would be pitching. Is he done with Basketball?

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    In reply to KGallo:

    No, he's got at least 3 more weeks of basketball.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    I talked to my guy in the NE who has seen him. He sees him as a 2nd to 4th rounder as of right now, but it could change.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    Thanks Kevin, and that's kind of what I was thinking. He strikes me as someone who could easily go in that range, maybe even as a supplemental pick, just because of projectability and sheer athleticism.

    The people at Baseball America seem to think really highly of him. He was consistently low 90's as a freshman and topping out at 94 or 95, and he is already said to have a plus changeup, which makes you wonder what he could be if he devoted himself full time to baseball. He's also said to have a nice easy delivery. I think the Samardzija comparisons are very appropriate.

  • Thanks for all the work you put into these information-laden analyses, John. This one makes me lean a little toward drafting Frazier or Meadows in the first round, but we'll have to see how Jed and Theo see it. I mean if we can add yet another bat/outfielder like that and still draft pitchers from the list you gave, that's even more excitement for the future.

  • In reply to cubs1969:

    You're welcome. So you're thinking something like last year where they go position player first, then stock up on pitching?

    I think that's very possible as well depending on how things go. So far it looks like Appel and Manaea are still at the top of this draft but Frazier off to a good start as well.

  • There seems to be a lot of solid pitching prospects out there. Theo, Jed and McCloud are going to be busy the next 3.5 months and I think we will like the results again. It is exciting to be a Cubs fan.

  • In reply to John57:

    They'll be real busy. McLeod said they're very excited about this 2nd round pick and they're going to want to get this right -- at least as much as that's possible. Its basically a supplemental first.

  • Tom Windle.

  • In reply to Ben20:

    I think he's interesting as well.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    A "poor man's" Sean Manea??? I wouldn't mind going Meadows/Frazier then Windle. With a strong year he probably won't make it to the second round...

  • the guys i like from the high school group are oakley, cobb and lowry. drafting pitchers from highschool, it is nice to know that they show good pitchability early, its just one less thing to worry about as the climb the prospect ranks.

    from the college group i like ziomek, emmanuel and eades a lot. i love southpaws in general, but i like the fact that these guys also come from winning cultures, which is important to have in your system. eades also has a lot of potential.

    i think of the 6 i mentioned, i like the college group a little more. i wouldnt mind at all if the cubs took eades in the second and ziomek or emmanuel in the third (if they last that long).

    i know that pitching in general is a weakness in the cubs system, however lefties are basically nonexistent so im hoping that they can snag at least one promising lefty in this upcoming draft or international free agency.

  • In reply to jshmoran:

    I really like the idea of picking up a lot of pitcher and the Cubs have been doing this both through the draft and international free agency. Hopefully there's a good lefty that emerges from all that.

  • VERY nice John! I've got this bookmarked for the June draft & a very crucial list especially if Theo & Jason decide to pick up a position player in the first and or a catcher is taken in the first 3 rounds (which Id like to see)

    Maybe something like this?
    1st: Manaea/Stanek/Appel
    2nd: Catcher Nick Cuiffo or Chris Okey
    3rd: Highest ceiling HS pitcher

  • In reply to Cub Fan Dan:

    Thanks. That's certainly one possible outcome. Whatever happens I think they'll go for the best talent available. Hopefully that means they short up pitching and maybe pick up a catcher in the process.

  • Great job as always John, Kevin, & Dan!

    Any thoughts on Chris Anderson, RHP, Jacksonville University? I saw him pitch last week. He got roughed up in a sloppy 1st, (3 errors). But then settled down and looked good. He looked to have a couple of decent offerings (nice FB & sharp breaking pitch). He is their Ace, and friends say he is a 2nd/3rd round pick.... Just curious....

    I like that this draft is deep with HS arms & catchers... something we desperately need in droves...

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Thanks Hoosier!

    Anderson had a dominant performance and I wouldn't have put him in the 2nd or 3rd round but that could change if he pitches like this.

    Don't forget that it's deep with college arms as well, starting at the very top of the draft.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I hadn't even heard of him as a high draft pick/prospect. But his presence in that game, the way he settled down and took over after they put a big ol' crooked number on the board with the sloppy defense is what made me notice him. I started asking around and that's the consensus here in Jax.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    By the way,Anderson was throwing in the mid 90s that game. Definitely a sleeper.

  • Any idea how these non-1st-round pick prospects compare to the two teens we got for Campana from AZ?

    I ask because I know next to nothing about either of the two.

  • In reply to drkazmd65:

    You must have missed my piece on that. Here's the link...includes video and scouting reports...

    http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2013/02/the-cubs-trade-tony-campana-to-the-dbacks-for-2-dsl-pitching-prospects/

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    THX.

  • the more i look over this list, the more i hope that the cubs end up selecting 3 college arms with at least 3 of their first 5 picks in this draft.
    i am completely behind epstein, hoyer and mcleods philosophy of taking the BPA, and by all means if the best player is a ss or a 1b, then u take that guy even if your fan base is clamoring for pitching, (i know a 1b won't happen and is a little ridiculous, im just making a point). but my hope is that the BPA in most cases will be a college pitcher because they tend to move faster. i also really like this college pitching class.

  • In reply to jshmoran:

    Totally agree though college pitching isn't all that great a choice. They are more likely to make it but less likely to make an impact as compared to high school pitchers. And hitters whether they are college or high school are also likely to make a bigger impact.

    You might find this piece interesting...

    http://puckettspond.com/2012/05/15/what-type-of-player-should-the-twins-draft/

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Interesting article John, thanks for sharing. I'm sure our FO has crunched these results and more - 10 ways to Sunday..... Yet, they still took a HS bat last year. I believe that says something about their confidence in Almora and their preference/valuation for middle Defenders.

    This draft and especially our 1.2 selection should be very interesting.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    True. I also think part of the reason with Almora is that he was so advanced. He was probably at the level of a college sophomore when they drafted him. He'd had so much international experience that he wasn't the average high school player.

  • One thing Id look for from a high school pitcher is how many breaking balls he throws. I always thought that part of Kerry Woods arm problems came from throwing too many breaking balls while still a teenager. Take Nolan Ryan(FB/CU) early in his career, didn't develop his CB until he was with the Angels, and endured his only arm surgery within 2 years of the first time he threw it. Same with Tom Seaver, didn't throw his slider until his 2nd year in the bigs. Right now, if a pitcher can command a good FB and an advanced Change, hes ahead of the game.

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    In reply to mutant beast:

    Agreed 100%. I can't stand seeing fathers try to teach their 11yr old sons Curveballs in an attempt to "get them ahead of the game" when all your really doing is derailing their future.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I tell kids to worry about commanding their FB and the CB or SL later. I have had some kids start working with a circle change because of the movement in the pitch but not always.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    I am a huge fan of no breaking stuff until they are done growing.... Unfortunately, boys will be boys and they are going to try throwing it.

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    In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Yeah. My old man made sure I wasn't throwing CB and Sliders at a young age. As KGallo said when you're young you should try to command the FB first and if you need a breaking pitch a Changeup is what i'd teach first. Not too much strain on the arm and has nice movement depending on how you throw it.

    I threw a split-finger FB. Had great downward movement, changed speed a little off the FB, and I could throw it from the same armslot as the FB. Good pitch to learn early.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Yeah. I knew a kid who might just have made it, but his father was pushing it way too hard. And so he insisted he throw this weird slow curve in games and his arm just puttered out around high school.

    Irony of ironies: his curveball was incredibly hittable and more often than not turned into a screaming double.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I have to admit I tried but I couldn't throw a slider or curveball to save my life - not that I had an MLB career as a pitcher on the horizon or anything :) But I did have a pretty good change-up and I think a lot of kids would be surprised how far they can get by locating their FB and changing speeds.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Was never likely to amount to much BB player-wise myself as I was a late grower (About 5'2" entering High School, 5'9" now), and didn't play competatively beyond Junior High age.

    Had a decent 'natural curve' according to one of my early coaches that tailed in to RH hitters I could usually get over the plate - but never intentionally tried to throw a breaking pitch. Spent most of my time as a backup OF or 3B as my footspeed was OK and my throwing arm was decent and relatively accurate.

    Had a high-school buddy who pitched as a good starter on a State Championship team - got a Division II scholarship to play - who got guys consistently out with only a sinking fastball & change,

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    When I pitched in HS the progressively slowing changeup was my best pitch. I literally threw it slower on each successive pitch. So many swings and misses.

  • In reply to TheFiveYearPlan:

    The grunts and groans I threw in with it helped too. Sometimes by the end of at bats I was throwing it slow enough that it didn't even make it to the plate. Fun times.

  • In reply to TheFiveYearPlan:

    LOL!

    I hope I didn't give the impression that I was any good at pitching. Just that I knew how to throw a pretty good change :) Other than that, I had nothin'.

  • In reply to TheFiveYearPlan:

    Even remember Bob Miller, old SF pitcher from the 1960s? Had 3 pitches, slow , slower, slowest. Fashioned a decent ML career without a pitch above 80MPH.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    Two Words,.... Jamie Moyer.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Tom Seaver won ROY in 1967 as a 3 pitch(2 and 4 seam FB) and a change. Became a dominant pitcher when in his Cy Young season 0f 69 he added a slider, kind of like what Orel Hershiser did in 1988. Seaver was 25 when he first threw the slider, Hershiser was 26. Notice how neither had health problems throughout there careers. Pitches that place stress on the elbow(slider, split) or the shoulder(12-6 curve) should not be encouraged in a teenager(see Kerry Wood)

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Split is one pitch id only encourage if you have very large fingers. Look what it did to some of its best practitioners-Sutters career ended relatively young, Mike Scott, Billy Swift, Scott Garrelts, Scott Erickson (there was a young pitcher with Detroit-taught the pitch by Roger Craig-who was 13-5 in the early 80s at the all-star break, who developed circulation problems in his elbow from throwing the split, and never pitched again). The old fashioned forkball went out for all the arm problems it created. The split finger is headed in the same direction.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    My son made it into HS with nothing but a FB (not over-powering either), a nice 2-seam cutter (dominant), and a circle change (average). His best position was CF though. Unfortunately, he started playing with a CB his sophomore year and had to sit out his junior year because his growth plate in his elbow had separated from the bone. Fortunately, it did not require surgery. By the end of his Sr year, he had sponsorship opportunities from Hurley to surf and wasn't much of a baseball prospect....

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I pitched 2 years in HS, threw a high 80sFb and a CU about 10MPH slower. Had to quit after 2 knee surgeries in 2 years. My coach would have benched us for throwing breaking balls.

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    Good stuff guys.

    I just have a technical question: how do you hear about all these guys? Interaction with scouts or is there a clearinghouse somewhere on prospects?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Multiple sources. Kevin and Dan see a lot of amateur games. Some talk with scouts. If you're looking for good media sources (which I read, of course) then Baseball America, Keith Law, and Kendall Rogers at Perfect Game are good places to start. I think all have paywalls, unfortunately. Of course you have Kevin and Dan's sites which are free!

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    John, you mentioned above in a comment, and you mentioned it in various articles as well, that the FO very much views that second round pick like a supplemental pick and they value it, which brings me to Matt Garza.

    Each day that passes without him getting on the mound makes it less and less likely that he can be traded before opening day, and we all should know by now what that means to his trade value. Teams just aren't going to pay the price in prospects this FO would like with no hope of a compensatory pick.

    It would seem to me that, in order to get any real value, he's going to have to be dominant like Dempster was in the first half of 2012. At what point do you think the Cubs FO starts to value a potential compensatory pick via the refusal of a qualifying offer more than trading Garza?

    Of course, this scenario assumes Garza would be in a position to score a better contract than a qualifying offer from the Cubs. Obviously, if he has more health issues, he may find a qualifying offer to be his best choice, but I think, as long as he is shown to be completely healthy, some team will be interested in Garza. I don't see him being in the same position as Kyle Loshe is right now.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    One thing about Garza is he had a degree of success pitching in the tough AL East. Lohse has never had much success anywhere except St Louis, and largely when Dave Duncan was his pitching coach. His track record outside StL is shaky, its likely one of the reasons(aside from Comp) that Hes not getting many offers.

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    In reply to mutant beast:

    Oh, I totally agree with that assessment of Loshe. I just can't imagine, short of a major injury, a situation where Garza would sign a qualifying offer, unless he were just determined to stay in Chicago, and I can't imagine there not being a team that wouldn't give up a draft pick to have him. If a team wants Garza in July, it would seem to me the offer is going to have to be more valuable than a compensatory pick, and if it's not, this FO would likely take the chance that Garza wouldn't sign a qualifying offer.

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