Advertisement:

No legs to latest Porcello rumor

No legs to latest Porcello rumor

Update:  Well if something didn't seem quite right about this deal, then it could be for good reason.  Neither Tom nor I have found someone who would confirm this rumor.  If something changes and we hear something new, we'll re-update.

Well, this is a bit surprising.  After building a 7 deep rotation, the Cubs are now said to be pursuing an old favorite here at Cubs Den, RHP Rick Porcello (h/t Paris).

It seems, however, that Detroit and Chicago aren't a great match, so Baltimore is also involved.  The Tigers want JJ Hardy.  If you want names, one twitter speculation (h/t Jordan) is that the Cubs would trade LHP Travis Wood and SS-3B Junior Lake to the Orioles.  If this is true, the guess is that Manny Machado moves back to SS and Lake plays 3B.  I cannot verify those names at all on my end, so take that with a grain of salt.

I'd do this deal because I think Porcello is an upgrade over Wood.  They do lose Lake in the process, but he wasn't going to be a factor in 2013 and his long term future is also in doubt because his lack of a defensive home right now.  The Cubs also have more highly rated prospects right behind him.

Another benefit of the deal is that it would open up a roster spot to officially add Carlos Villanueva.

I'm still scrambling to catch up as I'm just getting back from the doc, whose name is David Gilmour, by the way.  Told him I had a fever...my hands felt just like two balloons.  He totally got the reference.  Turns out he's a fan.

 

Filed under: Uncategorized

Comments

Leave a comment
  • fb_avatar

    Theo and Jed confuse me alot and I like it they always have that certain edge.. If you are the cubs you take this deal and run!!

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Colman Conneely:

    The part I don't get: why would Baltimore want Wood instead of Porcello? Unless they are completely in love with Junior Lake.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Agreed. I think in general they'd like a near MLB ready IF'er to replace Hardy. I don't know if it's actually Lake, though. Won't trust it until I hear from one of mine or Tom's sources. Or at least a reputable national media source.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Lake would fill a need for them. The Os lack athletic players largely, Machado might come closest, But Lake is more of a potential explosive-type athlete. Lake has still not learned plate discipline , and seems like OBP isn't in his game. As for Wood, he is left-handed and versatile, while Porc ello has never been anything other than a starter. I personally would still take Porcello, whos still young and has #2-3 starter potential.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Mike Moody:

    That's true.. That's probably why John just reported it has no legs.. Ya makes sense.

  • For Wood and Lake the Cubs better get more than just Porcello.

  • It's just twitter speculation as far as I know. Not sure if it's true at all.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to John Arguello:

    I won't believe it until Nightengale confirms it.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Zachary Myers:

    And if Phil Rogers confirms the bird man, we'll know there isn't one shred of truth.

  • Seems as if they are building towards the inevitable Garza deal. Back to the column the other day, assuming Olt isn't dealt before then, would a healthy Garza is spring still net them Olt and Perez?

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to cubsfan:

    Easily if he signs an extension, probably anyway if the Rangers have an injury or don't make a splash by then.

  • Hey John, after your visit to the doctor, did he say "Money! it's a gas, grab that cash with both hands"??

    LOL Anyway, on a serious note... If we do send Travis Wood and Jr Lake, shouldn't we get at least a throw-in from someone?

  • In reply to Caps:

    LOL! Nice.

    Maybe, I like the open roster spot, though. Non-roster guy might be nice.

  • You're probably the 10,000th person to drop that line on him. You're lucky he didn't stick a tetness shot into out of spite.

    I heard about this trade. If it goes down it would be a good one. But Epstoyer knows they had a very anemic offense last year....right?

  • In reply to felzz:

    Actually I asked his nurse if he gets David Gilmour jokes and she said he'd never heard one. He's pretty young and everyone else in there was either old or didn't speak a lot of English. I was in the sweet spot.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to John Arguello:

    Sadly, I had to look this up.

    I now feel old.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Pink Floyd is timeless!

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to felzz:

    When I was a kid I had a dentist that looked EXACTLY like Evel Knievel (this was mid-70's during Evel's heydey). Everytime I would see the dentist I would tell him that, and he would get mad.

  • In reply to felzz:

    That 800 pound "lack of offense" gorilla is gaining weight as we count down to Spring Training!

  • fb_avatar

    So your sources have nothing on this?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Just got back after spending morning at the doc. Just sent out email. Tom on it too. If we hear anything I'll update.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to John Arguello:

    I probably should have put two and two together on that one. Sorry for nagging. Get well soon.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    No worries on that Mike.

  • If this deal comes to fruition as you stated am I correct in saying that all current Cubs SP's are right handed? How unusual is this in your opinion?

  • In reply to Good Captain:

    It's not common but I wouldn't go so far as to say it's rare. Don't have research on it though.

  • Any post that can throw David Gilmour into is an A+ post in my book. I just missed out on seeing him play in Frankfurt, Germany back in '06. Saw the flier the day after the concert.:(

  • In reply to mcneilscot:

    Bummer. I missed out on the recent concert at Wrigley. My neighbor went and took some great shots.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Try catching the Chi-area tribute band In The Flesh! They are stellar. For $5 you can see a full show in a bar, including deep-cuts like "Dogs."

  • Id take Porc ello, hes similair to a rh Maholm. Hes a GB pitcher who has had a terrible IF defense in Detroit. Put him with an IF that can actually field groun ders with decent range(Barney/Rizzo would be a huge blessing for him). If Lake/Wood are the only pieces, Id take Porcello.

  • In reply to mutant beast:

    I'd take him too but not finding anyone to corroborate this yet.

  • Even though that's just speculation at this point that trade seems like it would be a win win win....sounds logical at least.

  • In reply to Ben20:

    I will say that. There's some logic to it depending on how much you like Junior Lake.

  • With Machado why would Baltimore want Lake?

  • In reply to RickC:

    Machado moves to SS, Lake will play 3B.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to John Arguello:

    Yes, but numerous reports state they are not looking to move Manny Machado to SS in 2013. I am sure if they get a real 3B, that would change. Junior Lake is far from a real MLB caliber 3B, but he could surprise everyone. Depends how much they trust their scouts.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Seems like a reach to think Lake could take over at third when the Cubs (non contender) would not.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Anyway lake would go to SS?

  • It seems like the FO could be trying to capitalize on Lake' s loud skill set by piecing him in a deal rather than allowing him to regress and lose value. Its always easier to trade tools than overachievers. Especially given the relative surplus of talented ss/3bs. I'm sure there are scouts everywhere that are in love with him. on the flipside, he's one big AAA season away from being a real upper echelon prospect. Personally, I'd rather they included Villanueva or Vitters in any hypothetical deal. Let Junior play every day in AAA at third, left, and right and see if he can still hit. if he does, we have our super sub. I have a feeling that by his age 25 season he's either going to be playing right field in the show or on a scrap heap somewhere...

  • In reply to Ben20:

    If it's true, but really doubting now that Wood and Lake were every involved here.

  • In reply to Ben20:

    yeah this would be nicer if we could package Vitters with Wood.

  • The deal is already DOA...Orioles want Garza from the Cubs.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    If I'm n AL East team that's who I'd want.

  • Pirates just found out that Liriano hurt his arm in December.......$13 million out the door.......or is it?......seems the Pirates want to give much less now to Liriano.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    It's his non-throwing arm. Keep trolling.

  • I wouldn't do Wood for Porcello straight up. Way overrated. Hope this isn't true or at the very least the pieces are different.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Carne Harris:

    I agree and I don't even like Travis Wood

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Sure, why get a younger, bigger pitcher who throws more strikes, throws harder and gets more groundballs than the guy you already have?

    It's the Tigers that would never do that deal.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Because he has a career 94 ERA+, 1.417 WHIP (career worst 1.531 last year), and 4.55 ERA through a not-small sample size of 691.2 innings, that's why. In 364.2 innings, Wood has the same 94 ERA+, but a 1.250 WHIP, and a 4.22 ERA. Add to that the fact that Wood is only a year and a half older and has an extra year of control, hopefully it isn't just me that wouldn't do this but our FO.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Those are results oriented stats that depend on luck, environment and other outside factors. When we are looking at stats that measure pitching independent of the defense around him where Porcello had a distinct disadvantage, Porcello was a full point better than Wood. His WAR, which measures his overall value, was 4X as high.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Ah, but WAR isn't predictive as someone recently told me when I referenced it with Bourn. :) I trust WHIP more than just about anything. Definitely more than how big he is. I'd be open to hearing what defense-independent stats other than FIP you're looking at though.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Also, if you're just looking at his fWAR for last year you'd be right about the 4x, but overall for the career, Porcello has a cumulative 9.7 fWAR in 691.2 innings and Wood has a 4.0 fWAR in 364.2 innings. So much closer to 1 to 1 than 4 to 1.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I admit that I haven't actually watched Porcello pitch (he plays for the Tigers - nuff said), but isn't Tigers stadium fairly massive and a pitcher friendly park? Meanwhile Wood has been toiling in the band box at Cincinnati and somewhat hitter-friendly Wrigley (at least for the months that Wood actually pitched for the Cubs). Looking at their numbers in this light, to me, Wood has the better results.

    Plus he's a lefty. Porcello has the same birthday as myself, so there is that for him.

  • fb_avatar

    In the last thread you guys all talked about Barney, with someone comparing him to Beckert. For what it's worth Beckert was a butcher in the field. He hit line drives and played average to below average defense. He did win a gold glove one year but that was because he had a strong offensvie year. No disrespect- I loved him as a player but in this day and age, I think his value would be more scrutinized and would show he wasn't that great.

    I like Barney but wouldn't be afraid to trade him as I've said before. I think he makes Castro better and has a terrific attitude but we have butt loads of infielders. Just my two cents.

    As for the Porcello trade, I can't see Baltimore wanting anything less than Garza. They want a veteran top of the rotation starter. I don't see this trade happening as rumored. If Baltimore gave the Cubs a major league ready bat and the Tigers gave us Porcello, I could see the Cubs trading Garza. That said, I don't think Baltimore has a major league ready bat that they can afford to trade.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Dale Miller:

    Perhaps sending Soriano + Wood+ Cash to O's, they send Hardy to Detroit, and Cubs get Porcello and 1-2 Prospects from O's and 1-2 from Tigers

    O's save money and replace Hardy's Bat and add a back end starter. Still don't know how this could work 3 ways, but that's my best guess.

  • In reply to Dale Miller:

    I thought Toby was comparing him as a hitter and a heady player. I don't know Beckert from personal experience, I was a bit too young to have actually seen him play.

    Statistically though he had some solid years, including a 4.6 WAR year, a 3.6 year, and a 3.3 year. Barney hasn't matched any of those yet. He also had some plus defensive years in the late 60s.

  • I am not a huge Travis Wood fan, and Lake has some serious flaws, but I don't like dealing those 2 for Porcello at all. Doesn't Porcello only have 2 yrs of control left while Wood has 5? And Porcello is way more expensive than Wood too. And Lake does offer some value as well.

  • In reply to Justin:

    I think Wood has 4 years of control and Porcello 3, but still a good point.

  • In reply to Justin:

    Well, I'm calling this a bogus rumor right now.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Agreed. Sounds like something Cubby Crib or some other inferior Cub 'site would make up.

  • fb_avatar

    Hot Stove Cubbies nade up the Lake/Wood part

  • In reply to Jackson Scofield:

    Thank you. Another 'site I don't visit any more.

  • I don't see how this trade makes sense for the O's. Only if Soriano goes to to replace Hardy's offense. I think is one is bull.

  • fb_avatar

    Hey John - is there anyway to get the host to get rid of the pop up ads? They actually get past my pop up blockers.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to Jive Wired:

    Wow, my ad blocker is good. Never knew there were pop ups on this site.

    Pretty sure the only way to get rid of the Ad's is too charge more which doesn't make anyone happier.

  • In reply to Jive Wired:

    Hey JW, wish I could help but I don't make those decisions, actually.

  • In reply to Jive Wired:

    If you run firefox, you can get the NoScript add-on here:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/noscript/

    Stops everything until you give it permission. (I didn't even know this site had ads, in fact.)

  • If the Tigers want Hardy so bad and the O's want Porcello, then I don't see why the Cubs would be involved... Seems to me like there's a match between the Tigers and O's without the Cubs' help.

  • In reply to Caps:

    Exactly!

  • In reply to Caps:

    This makes sense. If you're the O's you either want an upgrade from Porcello (i.e. Garza) or a second player they can use if the pitcher is a lesser one than Porcello. Otherwise there's no sense making the move on their part.

  • Seems to me that if there are rumors flying, the chances are that there isn't anything to them. Jed and Theo keep things they're doing pretty much under wraps.

  • Top two lefties for the Cubs are Russell & Wood....Rusin & Raley need more work in the minors......if Russell goes down and Wood is gone, we are left with Raley & Rusin......Takahashi is no sure bet yet making the club.....just like Willis who has small chance.

    Wood is not going anywhere.......and Porcello will be with the Tigers on Opening Day.

    in other sporting news....anyone see that hot looking Alabama QB girlfriend?......I myself would go out with the Alabama QB mom, Dee Dee Bonner.......that is right, I would bypass Miss Alabama for the QB's mom......check her out with that red dress with
    V" shape neckline....go find her photo image.....hottest looking MILF out there.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to CubsTalk:

    I'd be almost shocked if Takahashi doesn't make the club. He has excellent career MLB numbers and he's not a kid who is going to improve with time in the minors. He's probably on a deal where he can choose free agency over an assignment to the minors if he doesn't make the team.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Takahashi will make this club only if there are injuries in ST......or some type of trade with Marmol.

  • Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
    according to @jimcallisBA, here are best minors systems: 1 stl 2 sea 3 mia 4 tex 5 bos 6 tb 7 minn 8 pitt 9 az 10 hou

    F@#$ing Cardinals are going to be a pain for awhile...

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to North Side Irish:

    Cardinals are just flat out good at building an organization. That they never overpay also helps. Most other orgs as competitive as the Cardinals are would have traded Taveras away for a short term rental long ago.

  • In reply to North Side Irish:

    I have doubt this list already......Miami at #3?....they have 2 guys, and that is it............yes, Texas has talent.....so does the Rays......and should be higher.....missing on that list is the Reds.......don't take too much value of who is #1 on this list.

    Forget about what the Cardinals have.....that team will take a tumble this year.......so will the Pirates......and the Brew Crew have no one.

  • fb_avatar
    In reply to CubsTalk:

    I can think of 4 Marlins right off the top of my head: Yelich, Fernandez, Marisnick, and Hechavarria.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    two came in from a trade ....I am looking at more home grown talent.........but if you think their system is better than the Cubs, go watch games in Jupiter, Fl this summer instead of Kane Co..........they had many busts in the past years....only Stanton is making it.

  • Other than his GB/FB ratio I don't understand the fascination with Porcello. Shouldn't a guy with such good stuff strike out more than 5/9IP, and be harder to hit? The opposition has hit .297 off Porcello over the past three seasons. Wood is nearly two years older, but he's struck out nearly two more batters per 9IP and his BAA is 50 points lower. I'd rather hang onto Wood and have at least one lefty in the rotation, and look to acquire some top tier pitching prospects for Garza if he proves he's healthy in Feb-March.

  • Texas may be getting more desperate and I concur with others here that it would make sense to trade Garza to the Rangers. I'd like to see Theo/Jed bring back a package of Olt, Perez and Buckel. I realize that's three of their top five prospects but if Garza proves he's healthy, he'd make a major impact on their chances come next post season. Maybe they could add Marmol into the deal and bring back future closer candidate Wilmer Font.

  • fb_avatar

    John, I'm not seeing it myself, but I have to ask. Does A-Rod's surgery, which is expected to keep him out until after the All Star break, have implications for the Cubs? Could they suddenly become players for a major league ready third base prospect like Olt or Gyorko?

Leave a comment