Why doesn't Soriano draw more interest?

Why doesn't Soriano draw more interest?

There's something stuck in my craw, lately.

Apparently Alfonso Soriano can be had for 2 years and $10M, plus a talented (though not necessarily productive) young player, and certainly not a top prospect.  There are plenty of teams out there who seek a RH bat with power: the Braves, Phillies, Yankees, Mariners, Orioles, Athletics, Rangers and Indians could all use a player like Soriano.

Yet, he remains a tough sell.  Why?

Last trade deadline, one source Tom talked to scoffed at the idea of trading for Soriano. I had a similar experience.  David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Sentinel recently said the Braves had no interest in Soriano.  Even the Phillies had to be talked into considering it.

The Yankees have said outwardly that they want a RH hitter.  We know they also don't want to spend long term.  Yet, who do we hear them linked with recently? Vernon Wells!!!

Really?

I know the Angels would pick up the salary and ask for little in return, but Wells has been a replacement level player in 3 of the past  4 years.  He's not just overpaid.  He's a bad player at any salary.

And it's not just the Yankees. The Mariners, who'd like to contend in an increasingly tough AL West, have so far added Jason Bay to boost their offense.  Bay was below replacement level last season and just barely above it the year before.  The Indians have so far opted for Mark Reynolds, who is poor on defense and is barely above league average on offense (108 RC+ last season), yet they are going to use him at 1B, where he is neither an asset at the plate nor in the field.  I understand these kind of bargain bin buys for a rebuilding team, but these are all teams that would like to compete this season.

We hear the Phillies have intensified their pursuit of Cody Ross, who is said to be seeking a 3 year deal at around $9M per year.  The Phillies are said to have around $7M between them and the luxury tax threshold.  Unless they get Ross to come down on his price (good luck in this market), he will be more than twice as expensive annually as Soriano when you factor in the tax hike.  Ross is coming off a career year, yet he was still just a 2.4 WAR player -- in other words, roughly an average starter.  He's really worth spending that kind of money rather than give up a player they have been reluctant to use in Domonic Brown?

We know one big reason for the resistance on Soriano has been his poor defense, but he went a long way toward shoring up that weakness, to the point where some thought he was a Gold Glove candidate.  I wouldn't go that far, but anyone who saw Soriano out there last year would be hard-pressed to say he was a negative in the field last season.  He played the position well, showed improved range and his strong, accurate arm continues to be a plus tool.

I sometimes wonder if some of Soriano's past transgressions have come back to haunt him.  Teams may still remember his initial reluctance to move to the OF and some of the misconception about his work ethic and makeup.  There was a nagging concern that he was a me-first guy, a myth perpetuated by our own media here in Chicago.   Perhaps Soriano's own reservations about being traded have caused some of those concerns about not being a "team player" to resurface.

But even in that case I still don't get it.  Ryan Dempster and Derrek Lee were equally finicky, yet their character was never questioned.  Lance Berkman vetoed a deal or two as an Astro, yet remained highly coveted until his latest injury last season.  The Blue Jays gave Melky Cabrera a 2 year/$16M despite his using a banned substance and then concocting an elaborate scheme to cover it up.  Not to disparage Cabrera, who has done his best to atone for his mistake, but has Soriano done anything at that level to warrant such concerns about his character?

It seems that old perceptions won't go away with Soriano.  Theo Epstein, himself, has admitted he had an entirely different image of who Soriano was until he got a chance to see him everyday in Chicago.  He has seen what some of us here have known all along -- that Soriano is a hard-working, well-liked player whom teammates consider a leader.

Perhaps chronic knee injuries and age have something to do with it and their is some fear of regression. That's valid, but the Yankees didn't have any problem giving more money to Kevin Youkilis (who has chronic back issues) and Ichiro Suzuki, two players with an obvious decline in performance recently.  Soriano was far more productive than either player last year and has been roughly on par with Youkilis over the past 3.  He has outproduced Suzuki in that same time frame.

It's hard for me to believe that it has a whole lot to do with any one of these things.  Perhaps it's the sum of all these fears.

Or perhaps Soriano is just getting  bum rap here.

Whatever the case, if other teams can't see value in Alfonso Soriano, the Cubs know he still has value to them.  Yes the Cubs are rebuilding and they're trying to get younger.  They're playing for the long term.  If they can trade him to help in that pursuit, they will certainly do that. But they're also not in the business of giving value away.  Soriano has proven to be an asset for the Cubs both on and off the field, so unless some team is willing to exchange value for value, there's no point in moving him.

His value, as seemingly perceived by other teams, can hardly get any lower.  If they don't trade for him now, it can only go up.  And come midseason, when teams find that Jason Bay and Vernon Wells didn't give them the boost in production they'd hoped for (picture my mock surprise expression here), then maybe, just maybe, teams will change their mind about Soriano.  But by that time, it may cost them more than a talented, but struggling young player.

 

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  • Keep him for now until a team or two will have an urgent need to have Soriano in July and pay any price to get him for the playoff drive.

    It is all about "Supply and Demand" theory.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    It may come down to that. Maybe they want to see Soriano have another good year first and make sure he's not going to regress.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I feel the we should hold out and keep Soriano until we can steal D Brown away from the Phily. I think he would be a perfect fit for him.

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    In reply to RClax3:

    I screwed that one up. Soriano for D Brown. that would be huge.

  • In reply to RClax3:

    I really think that's a nice deal for the Cubs and while the Cubs come away with a talented young player, that seems the price of doing business these days. We've seen what Toronto, KC, Angels, and Detroit have been willing to pay to win now. It's not cheap.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Yes, the prices of prospects for established players has been crazy this off-season. The last few years it seemed prospects in general were mostly untouchable. I can only imagine that the additional wild card spot has made teams think rolling the dice is a good gamble.

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    It does seem odd that this is happening. I just hope Sori has another great year, and by July some of these teams ask about him. I would listen, but no way pay any of his remaining salary in a deal.

  • In reply to Dave Boer:

    I do agree that if he has a strong first half, he won't be as cheap as he is now. Whether that translates to less money paid out or a better prospect, i don't know -- but I'd rather see the Cubs still pay if it means getting a better player.

  • I will admit I couldn't stand Soriano for years. It's a combination of the high salary, the consistant swing and misses on breaking balls away, poor performances when it really counted in the playoffs and bottom line he just came off as a lazy player while watching him on the field. It wasn't until this year that my opinion of him changed. It was like he finally acted as if he cared out there.

  • In reply to Ibleedcubbieblue:

    I think it was mostly misperception and the media is at least partly at fault for that. From our experience, those closer to Soriano would never call him lazy. He's always kept himself in prime condition and he's always played hard.

    It hasn't been so much that Soriano has changed, it's that the media finally caught up with it.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yeah, I think a lot of it is just his body language. I never liked that stupid hop as he caught the ball. I'd think to myself, Learn how to field your position well before you earn the right to showboat the routine catches. Not sure he was really showboating, but it came off that way.

  • In reply to Ibleedcubbieblue:

    I know what you mean. And i'm not going to disagree that maybe there is a bit of a showman in him, but that's not unusual in today's game. Overall he's a good guy and a hard worker.

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    John great article. I am completely in agreement with you. if you can't get Olt or at least D. Brown, then i agree you hold on to him. Let him hit very well again in the first have then you will have teams cursing because they could have had him for a lower cost

  • In reply to Larry:

    Thanks. Olt is a bit of a reach right now, but Brown is reasonable to me.

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    John-great article. I completely agree. I liken it to Barry Zito. Now look at Zito's stock.

  • In reply to Dale Miller:

    Thanks. Sometimes it takes time for perceptions on a player to change. Zito was seen as a bust and while he's still not worth his contract, I think a lot of teams would want him if the Giants pick up the tab. The same should be true of Soriano. He's not worth his contract, but theres still value if Cubs pay big part of freight.

  • I've had my reservations about Soriano but I always heard wonderful stories about him from my friend who has repeatedly waited on him at the San Diego Morton's.

    However, baseball wise, I've never seen a player go to 0-2 at the plate more often than Soriano. This is merely an observation and I'm wondering if there's any hard data on this?

  • In reply to svelocity:

    I'm sure there's data somewhere. If I find it I'll let you know (but it's Sunday and I'll probably have some people over today). He probably has competition from guys like Mark Trumbo, though.

  • In reply to svelocity:

    Corey Paterson did, I always thought his number should be flipped to 02 from 20.

  • Is his no-trade clause coming into play? Maybe the AL teams are staying away because they know he only wants to stay in the NL.

  • In reply to Diggs:

    It's probably a factor. He want to play the field, too -- and based on past experience, maybe teams like Texas and NY know he hasn't been easy to convince in past.

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    I saw a sarcastic tweet last trade deadline on why Sori had no value -- I can't remember who said it -- that may be on to something: "Because other teams know he has as much chance of seeing a unicorn as a fastball come the playoffs."

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I'll take my bet on seeing the fastball :)

    That might be part of it and I don't know how accurate that perception is off the top of my head, but you got to get to the playoffs first and it's hard for me to imagine that he can't help in that pursuit.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I get you. I'm just as shocked as you are that the Yankees would rather have Vernon Wells than Soriano. Presumably there's something big we aren't seeing/don't know about. Or, possibly, baseball executives are stupid. The ARod contracts would tend to suggest the latter.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Haha...I think the Yanks overvalue their prospects too, at least in the Cashman era.

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    I would love to see an outfield in 2015 of Brown in left, Almora in center and Solar in right.

  • Soriano repaired a lot of holes in his game last year. Prior to last season I would have bet the mortgage that he would continue to resist instruction. He fooled me and as a result put together a good year. I think that he was struggling so much that if he wanted to play baseball at this level, he had to try something. The rest of the league is still not convinced.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    Soriano has maintained he's never really gotten good instruction in the OF. It's hard to doubt him, at least as far as the Cubs previous regime is concerned. Coaching and development wasn't really their strong point.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Maybe but surely the Cubs had an outfield coach. With 18mil per year he could have hired his own. Obviuosly the former administration was lax.

  • Great article John. I just started following this blog and I have it as a bookmark. Your writing is good and concise.

    I've been sour on Soriano in the past, but he showed me a lot last year. I don't think D Brown is a good trade for Soriano at all. I can't see Brown being more than a 20-20 guy at best and I don't even see that happening.

    If we can't get good value for Soriano, let's just keep him. Short of a trade, I can't think of many better LF options for the Cubs for 2013 or 2014 if Sori's health can hold up.

    However, there is still some time in this offseason, and teams might start taking a closer look once the market dwindles and they read opinion changing articles such as the one here.

    I really think the Yankees might get involved. I just hope Theo doesn't give him away for nothing.

  • In reply to givejonadollar:

    Thanks for the kind words!

    I agree they should hold out for the best player possible. I'm a big Domonic Brown fan, though, and I'd be happy with that.

    As you said, maybe it'd be wise to hold out for awhile and see if they can grow the market for Soriano.

  • Soriano has only played over 135 games in the field once in the last 6 seasons. If I were a N.L. GM that would scare me. At his age his skills figure to go only one way. If I'm the Cubs I'd concentrate on approaching A.L. teams.

  • I'm sure it's a combination of factors, but in the end he's pretty cheap and he is coming off a productive season. That's more than what you can say for many of these alternatives.

  • Unlike past front offices I feel this front office will not just give away sori.

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    It is crazy how teams would go for guys like Reynolds, Wells, & Bay over Soriano.
    Could it be the Cubs fault for constantly trying to move him?
    They've made it well known since after the 2009 season that it was a priority to move him and his salary. Other teams read this before, during, and after the season for 3-4 years running!
    If a team is trying so hard to trade a player, (and eat big salary as well), others are going to have suspicions and may consider the risk too great and wonder what they don't know about the player.
    I would say that after that much talk and effort on the Cubs part, the other teams see him as defective and probably suspect there is something wrong that the Cubs aren't talking about.
    In any case, they might as well keep him for 2 more years...especially since he doesn't figure to be blocking anyone currently in the system.

  • In reply to AdolphoPhillips67:

    I agree.

    The risks are there are over the board with his age and injury track record. I think while Theo and Jed really appreciate his work ethic, and the good year he had, I think they are trying to do more of a sell job than anything to get him to a winning team that needs a veteran with some pop.

    They did as good as they could do and the sell job was good due to Soriano's offensive numbers and improved defense. However, Sori doesn't fit the new Cubs profile of a speedy outfielder (preferably OBP minded) who can defend at a plus rate.

    Thus, that makes him attractive to move, for someone such as D.Brown as John mentioned above. While I think the defense has upgraded, and the pitching has definitely upgraded, we still need a guy in the lineup with some pop.

    He is the only guy the Cubs have who is good for 20+ homers if he plays a full season. Rizzo is "projected" to have that, and maybe Stewart, Castro, and perhaps a late call to Brett Jackson or maybe a Wellington Castillo.

    We have a lot of "maybes", but outside of Soriano, who can put the ball in the stands with some consistency? We are going to need a few of those guys if our pitchers want any wins this year.

    If we can't trade him, and sign a Nick Swisher type, I think we should keep him. Many would argue about the rebuilding process, and the fact the fans are loyal, but I wouldn't mess with base too much. (That's why I was personally pleased to see the effort in going after A. Sanchez.)

    As much as seasoned fans like ourselves might like speed, defense, WAR, and such, the average fan (of which is many) still likes to see the ball jacked out of the park, and that can't be forgotten. Sori provides that and I still think it's important from a winning standpoint as well.

  • In terms of public perception, that pose he strikes after hitting a long ball is probably the most damaging. I know Soriano has denied that it's showboating, but come on. He also hasn't been as consistent at hustling out ground balls. And he spent half of last year limping around the OF like he was Willis Reed.

    But I have to think there's another factor here, such as Soriano's agent telling other teams that he'll veto a trade unless X, Y and Z.

  • In reply to Taft:

    Is Soriano really more a showboat than some of the other players we see? How many players stop and watch their HRs? A ton of them, yet it doesn't necessarily affect their value.

    Dempster was every bit as particular as Soriano on destination, yet that didn't stop teams from inquiring.

    None of the faults you find with Soriano are unique to him.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    true, not unique to him, but dempster wound up with how many teams interested in him? 2? 1?

    And combine sori's "quirks" with his salary and how that fits with other players on a team, it is a hard sell. Even if the Cubs pay the freight, the rest of the players on a different team will see what he gets for what he does, and that is the problem. And if it is true he vetoed a trade to the giants, a world series contender, because the weather is too cold, then what competitive team will want him around? There are more than one reason Lou Piniella compared him to Bobby Bonds. I want him traded as much as anyone, but don't think teams will want to tie up the roster spot over the off season to get him. He may be moveable in his final year so a team can just dump him at the end of the season and not have the roster spot tied up so they lose a prospect. This is why the cubs want to move him isn't it, because he is costing them young players who get move off the 40 man roster?

  • In reply to eddie35:

    I disagree. I don't see that salary as a problem. Players know how the game works. They're not going to begrudge Soriano for accepting the boatload of money the Trib gave him. And if that's an issue, why would the Yankees discuss Vernon Wells? He's getting $42M to play below a replacement level player.

    Roster spot isn't a problem on a winning team for a guy that produces. Why else would they use a roster spot?

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yeah, I totally agree that Soriano's being undervalued by the market, in part because his faults are not unique to him. That's why I can only assume that it's something known only to an inner circle of GMs. Because it just doesn't make sense that no one wants to pay $5 million a year for a team-oriented guy who had over 100 RBIs last year. From the Cubs' standpoint, it's awfully frustrating.

  • In reply to Taft:

    It is frustrating. And I agree that they have their reasons -- just at a loss to find ones that make a lot of sense.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Plenty of people pose when they hit HR's. Heck, Reggie Jackson liked to watch 'em as much as anyone. I can't say I didn't do it on those rare occasions that I creamed a towering, majestic clout.

    What people don't forget is not running on a play that is not a HR. That sticks in people's minds and doesn't go away easily. I never, ever did that even once and don't think much of players who do.

    Sori was guilty of it in a well-discussed incident even last year. That and his inability to lay off the low and away slider are tough negatives to shake.

  • In reply to eaton53:

    I thought that was overblown. It was a line drive right at the 3B, who should have caught it. I think it's natural to freeze at that point. Players don't generally run out line drives. He made a mistake in that he thought it was caught and then didnt realize quickly enough that it wasn't. Then, of course, Brenly had to pile on.

    These single publicized incidents shouldn't be the basis of evaluation. That's what they hire scouts for.

    And low and away sliders is a problem with a lot of hitters in baseball, and most of them don't produce nearly as well as Soriano does. And if they don't have a hole there, then it's likely somewhere else. Hitters that don't have holes in their swings are generally elite hitters.

    Every player has flaws. We can pick out a ton for the players listed above. What matters is that they produce overall and Soriano was better than all of them last year

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Just want to echo the sentiment that, reputation or not with GMs, a line drive directly into a 3B glove isn't contributing to that.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Not running and chasing bad pitches... get enough nails and eventually the coffin gets shut and the player can't get out.

    That is clearly what has happened here.
    Perception, true or not, has become reality.
    No other way to explain interest in the likes of Vernon Wells over Sori. Wells is worthless!!
    So we're probably stuck with him for awhile longer.
    No problem... it's not the worst thing that could happen.

  • One year with Dave McKay made so much difference on defense. Really makes me question the Pinella and Quade coaching choices. Up until this season, he'd just been told to go work on his defense. This year, McKay gave him instruction, and told him what to work on. Somehow, he took a player in his mid-30s with bad knees and made him into one of the better defensive left fielders in the NL.

    I also get the feeling that the improved defense was an unteachable part of the offensive resurgence. Playing good defense in the outfield for the first time in his life was bound to make a guy feel good about himself, therefore making him a better player at the plate.

    The main thing that I think is keeping teams from being interested in Soriano is that they know he's available, and so they're hoping the price for him keeps dropping. It may seem odd, but if you know everyone else is bluffing, there's no need to set the market price higher than you need to.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    I can buy that. Hard to get good value when everyone knows you want to sell. Perhaps they're waiting for the Cubs to cave and give him away. But we know that won't happen.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    The problem that I have saying that coaching was the reason for his improved play is not because he didn't have good instruction, but because it was accompanied by an attitude that Cubs had not seen from him. I would be qiicker to give the brain thrust credit for bringing about a change of heart in Soriano. He became a team first player. I can't say that I had seen that previously.

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    John, another well thought out piece. I think it's all the above. I think he is more likely to be traded in July, and that is ultimately going to be about how he is performing.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Thanks Michael.

    My thought is it's the sum of all these factors and perhaps teams don't want to give anything up right now.

    I think another big half will minimize the risk for interested teams and maybe we'll see a deal at the deadline. Right now it seems it's been tough to draw interest.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I think that the return on Soriano, if he is having a productive season, will be about the same in July as it would be now, but if the Cubs want to trade him now, they're going to have eat more of the contract. The Cubs have to be willing to pay enough of Soriano's contract so that other teams feel comfortable with just releasing him if he doesn't work out. Of course, the risk for the Cubs is that Soriano gets hurt or just isn't a productive player, and on a 37 year old player with a recent history of nagging injuries, that's a big risk. I would prefer to trade him now, and I would be willing to eat enough the contract to get it done. It's not like the Cubs can't afford it.

  • We're giving the Cubs FO a lot of credit for Soriano's defensive improvement, but his offensive improved substantially as well. Of course, his offense always had some value to note, but it says a lot that Sveum and the staff was able get Sori, a longtime vet, to change bats and make other adjustments.
    Maybe I'm just looking for a story and maybe last yr. was a blip on the radar and I know Sori has always been streaky, but 32 HR from mid May to Sept. is very impressive by all measures. These guys just seem to get a lot more out of their assets.

  • In reply to KSCubsFan:

    Agreed. It isn't easy to get a vet away from his comfort level and the fact that Sveum was able to get him to use that lighter bat was no small feat. Speaks a lot to his leadership skills.

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    John, whenever you have a minute I Just shot you an email to take a look at.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Okay Marcel...will try and get to it a little later tonight.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Sorry...had people coming in and out all day. I did get back to you.

  • I think the problem with Soriano is that most people don't think he will repeat his performance from last year. And I would imagine that teams like the Yanks have an idea what the asking price is for Soriano and they don't like the price. I know that I don't expect him to be as good next year. He's old, and has gimp knees. I REALLY want the Cubs to move him before the season starts. A lot can go wrong with him if they go into the season with him.

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    I don't think that i can ever recall an instance that it has happened, but if the cubs are determined to trade him, why don't they just pick up the entire salary and get the best player they can. I don't think it would ever happen but it was just a thought that i had.

  • In reply to Larry:

    I agree if the Cubs are determined to get the best return possible, pay it all. They got the money. Pay every dime on Sori, get it done.

  • Let's we can trade any veteran we can before the start of the season. Let's hope we are offered a quality prospect in return.
    Pay all of the salary if need be.

  • I learned a lot from the rangers re-do trade with Jake Brighams injury. I think the cubs should do something similar with soriano, like agree to pay all of the money on the last year of his deal if he gets significantly hurt or misses a significant amount of time. This way only 2 things can happen for the receiving team, 1. Soriano performs at the very least up to his contract or 2. Gets hurt and they can cut him loose with no costs to them.

    I also am a really big dom Brown fan. He's a huge physical presence with 5 tool potential. He's decently patient and I think he just needs a change of scenery. Philly has been in win now mode since he was brought up and I think he just needed to be brought along more slowly. If the cubs staff could turn soriano around think about what they could do with Brown. Even if he doesn't reach his previously known ceiling of MVP, he still has above average to all star potential and could be fixture in left for years to come if he figures a few things out

  • And as far as Vernon Wells goes I would be shocked if the Angels received anything decent back for him. He is just terrible, and has a horrible contract. The Angels picking him up off waivers has to be one of the dumbest all time moves in baseball.

  • In reply to Justin:

    It's worse than that. The Angels didn't pick him up off of waivers. They actually traded Mike Napoli and Juan Rivera for him.

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    In reply to Justin:

    Your thinking about Alex Rios who was claimed off waivers by the white sox.

  • During the broadcast of the 2007 NDLS, a graphic was displayed that said:
    ALFONSO SORIANO
    SITUATIONAL HITTING
    BASES EMPTY .318
    RUNNERS ON .259
    RISP .248
    BASES LOADED .143

    That made a big impression on me. I don't know whether he has improved in this regard or not.

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    I see a lot of folks just screaming from the mountaintop to trade Soriano. Well. there has to be a team will to take him #1. And #2 the guy we get back has to have some value. Dumping Soriano for the sake of dumping him makes no sense whatsoever.

    Right now he really is the only big bat we have and he's not blocking anyone right now. He's only got 2 more years on his contract and the situation is sure to be different in 2 years. At that time we will have many more options than we do now.

    Sometimes I think folks just want to make trades for the appearance of doing something. I think there are times that NOT making a trade is just more beneficial to the ball club. This may be one of those times.

    But I'm in no way saying that we don't offer him up or listen to offers

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    I agree with you, Man. Also #3...he has to be willing to go to whatever team will take him. I think the more his name gets bandied about in rumors the more he'll play with a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. I can easily see Soriano having another really nice year.

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    In reply to bocabobby:

    You're right and the kids do need a few vets around to learn from, so I'm not in a hurry to deal him.

  • In reply to bocabobby:

    Absolutely. No reason to trade him other than to get better long term value. Cubs are way below payroll. His salary isn't tying up the team.

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    I totally agree with you Bocabobby. If Soriano was blocking someone for playing time it would be completely different. Having him in the lineup is very beneficial to Rizzo's development. So, yes, if we we're able to get someone of good long term value, I'd say lets pay the freight. If not, keep him-he's contributing despite the value of his contract.

    On a side note-I'm thrilled to read about Junior Lake's success in the winter league. Makes me think he's motivated to take advantage of this current window of opportunity.

  • Did the Cubs sign Jensen Lewis?

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Why do you ask? Did this get reported somewhere? Sounds like the type of move theyve been making lately, though.

  • In reply to Quedub:

    According to Bleacher Nation and ChicagoCubsOnline they did. Not the greatest sources...

  • In reply to Quedub:

    BA says yes, so...yeah.

  • In reply to Quedub:

    Bleacher Nation is a good source, what do you mean? I've never encountered false information on that site. Cubs Den and Bleacher Nation are my go to Cubs blogs.

  • In reply to Quedub:

    It was reported today in BA:

    http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2012/12/minor-league-transactions-dec-7-13/

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Also by Brett in BN

  • Man, the Cubs are missing out on a lot of really good prospects. It is widely reported that the Mets will get D'Arnaud and Syndergaard in return for Dickey. Oy...

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    In reply to Quedub:

    That Garza injury just sucks....I think anyone willing to givwe up that much for a 37 year old knuckleballer is insane...completely insane!!!!

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    The timing on his injury did hurt a lot. But the window is not closed yet. The Mets are only going to get that much because they are working on an extension for Dickey in conjunction with the Blue Jays before he gets traded.

    Garza should be provably healthy before the end of spring training. Who knows, if the Cubs extended him as a part of a deal, they still could get a really good return. Hopefully, they won't run out of win now teams with which to deal...

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    Is it possible that the reason Soriano is valued low, maybe lower than Vernon Wells, is that everyone knows the Cubs want young talent in return?

    Soriano is a big risk due to age, and maybe clubs don't want to surrender any talent for him; just pay some salary. It's a safe bet that the Angels, with Wells, are ONLY looking for salary relief.

    Soriano isn't blocking anyone, and isn't causing problems. At this point we may as well keep him, IMO. I think others have said the same thing.

  • The main reason Soriano isn't drawing more interest is that he has a NTC and has said there are only certain places he will go. Might help if the FO makes a clear list available of teams he'd consider. Probably part of the reason the Phillies never considered him until our FO approached them.

    I hope the Cubs keep doing that - approach teams he'd go to and force them to reassess him, because he isn't what a lot of teams think. The fact that the Phillies thing got leaked is good too as it shows that the price we're asking is pretty fair and teams will remember that. When Ross and Bourn go elsewhere, those FO's might come knocking.

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    I'm not sure if this answer has been left yet, but it's no puzzle to me why he is not drawing interest. Teams have money to burn, so the Cubs eating most of the deal is not the issue. The issue is that nobody wants to trade away a prospect with any chance to be an all star for two years of Soriano. It's that simple. If Soriano were a free agent right now, he would get a decent contract from somebody. But prospects, especially now with changes in the CBA, are precious. And the Cubs aren't going to get anybody with a chance to be anything for Soriano. And now, I doubt they'll get much for Garza either unless he really lights it up leading into the trading deadline. This is what makes the failure to sign Sanchez a big blow. It was a chance to get long-term pitching without giving up any players.

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    In reply to Gregory Shriver:

    Agree 100% with the last couple of sentences. Head to Nail Bro!

    The Soriano thing has me really confuses, I see both sides of it def, going to do some more research.

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    I've been saying this all along. No way I'd trade top prospects (2 or more) for even David Price.Especially our A ball guys,they haven't proven anything at this point and because of that the number needed to make a deal is what,3-4 for an Ace like Price that's too risky. Look at the Brock for Broglio deal,moi,sore armed Broglio that is.

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    In reply to TheRiot2:

    Look at Archer, Lee, and 4 others you'll never hear of again for Garza. The reasoning behind that trade was terrible. The trade itself, not so bad.

  • Nothing on Cubs.com on a Jensen Lewis signing. I don't know anything about him. Can someone fill me in?

    Thanks

  • That Mets - Tor deal is encouraging for what we might get for Garza if Garza does a similar contract extension deal with his new club if dealt.

    Then again, what is out there for 2014 F/A class, Garza is the best one for pitchers. Yes, even better than JJ.

    Has Plan "B" got underway yet?

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    In reply to CubsTalk:

    That's unlikely. The reason the extension with Dickey was so easy is that he's 38 - knuckleballer or not. You'll note he only got 12.5 million per. Garza will definitely want to test his value in the open market.

  • We may be over thinking Soriano's pros and cons as a player and under valueing his willingness to be traded. One thought that I had was to pick a young leftfielder and tell Soriano that he will be benched while the Cubs develope for the future. He wants to play and will go to any team that would put him on the field. It would not be extortion because the agenda is an honest team goal.

  • Part of the problem is that Soriano no longer comes to mind in any way for teams. He's not thought about. Other players are, but its like he isn't on the radar and when he is thought about it seems like that long-term contract with the full no-trade clause is what comes to mind - not his power, nor his fielding which many point out has improved. Its more of an out-of-sight, out-of-mind mentality.

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