Rumor Thread: Adams, Price, Castro, Hamilton, Dempster

Rumor Thread: Adams, Price, Castro, Hamilton, Dempster

This was intended to be a news and notes piece with the Starlin Castro-related piece being my favorite, but it's been a fairly busy day for Cubs related news and rumors, so it has morphed into a rumor thread.  We'll cover them here in bullet point form for now, but a couple of these subjects potentially warrant their own dedicated article in the near future...

  • 10:13 PM:  You've heard by now that the Anibal Sanchez deal may not happen but it's possible that the latest deal from the Pacific Rim, Chang-Yong Lim, is still up in the air.  Patrick Mooney of CSN said, "The Cubs have not commented on the reports, though sources said the money has been overstated, cautioning that if they close the deal, it would be a two-year minor-league contract that contains only a small amount guaranteed. It would not come with a spot on the 40-man roster."  As of today, the deal is not done and it's fair to speculate that there may be some issues here as well.
  • 4:12 PM: Ken Rosenthal bring up an interesting point about Peter Bourjos, comparing him to Ben Revere.  Bourjos has a slightly higher career OPS but one year less of cost control.  Revere brought back a cost-controlled starter with some success in Vance Worley and the top Phillies prospect heading into last season in Trevor May.  I don't think it justifies the same return but you have to think the Angels took notice of that Phillies-Twins deal.  At that price, or anything close to it, there is no chance the Cubs would bite on Bourjos.
  • 2:47 PM: Thank to many Cubs Den readers ("den"izens?) for the info that Jeff Beliveau has been DFA'd.  He has a chance to sneak through waivers but free young lefties tend to be pretty popular (see Scott Maine, John Gaub...both of whom were lost on waivers).  I think the Cubs have a good chance to lose Beliveau one way or the other, so perhaps something is in the works. The Cubs do have a window to make a deal and perhaps they can target a CF'er.  A low cost LH reliever with some upside for a certain overpriced 4th OF'er, perhaps?
  • 2:30 PM: A source tells Newsday's Marc Carig that neither Trumbo or Bourjos would be a fit for the Mets and dismisses the idea of trading R.A. Dickey for either player.
  • 2:20 PM: Danny Knobler tweets that Texas is shaken up by the Josh Hamilton signing with the Angels.  They are not thrilled with any of the remaining options, leading some to speculate whether Alfonso Soriano could become a low cost short term option for them.  I don't think they'd love that idea either, but I'm expecting Texas to make a counter move at some point in the near future.
  • 2:18 PM: Buster Olney tweets that the Angels are saying that Mark Trumbo is not available.
  • (2:10 PM):  The Angels have signed Josh Hamilton which will have a ripple effect on the market.  Mark Trumbo is said to be off limits but Peter Bourjos may be an enticing name for the Cubs, who are seeking an everyday CF.  It also has a ripple effect in that it takes another power hitting OF'er off the market -- and to a team that wasn't going to go after Soriano anyway.  As FAs like Nick Swisher and Cody Ross become overpriced as the last remaining power hitters on the market, Alfonso Soriano may start to sound like a more viable option for some teams.
  • (2:00 PM) The Red Sox have agreed to sign Dempster for 2 yrs/$26M.  Looks like Demp fell short on all his preferred criteria, but that's a pretty good deal for him, in my opinion.
  • The Cubs are said to be among the finalists for another veteran RP, Mike Adams.  The other teams are the Nationals, Jays, Phillies, Rangers, and Brewers.  Adams is said to be making a decision in the next couple of days.  The potential move holds with some patterns we've seen this offseason.  The Cubs are trying to buy low on bullpen arms and/or players coming off of injuries.  They are also trying to build a strong bullpen, which can be an inexpensive way to build a strong team if you do it with value signings.  A strong bullpen benefits the rotation, which has good potential as well.  With the Cubs seemingly building around pitching and defense for 2013, it's imperative to have a strong bullpen as the team figures to be in a lot of close, low scoring games.
  • Buster Olney drops a couple of encouraging tweets about the Cubs.  The first is that the Cubs rebuilding process is drawing good reviews around the league.  Other teams like the way the Cubs are building from the ground up, methodical as it may be.
  • Olney also suggests that the Cubs will be in a good position to target David Price next year.  He doesn't expect the Cy Young winner to be available this year, but the Rays seem likely to try and shop him next season.  By then, the Cubs should have more depth at the upper levels of their farm system and perhaps have the prospects it will take to entice the Rays.  The team itself should be in a position where they believe they can contend in the next few years.
  • Dan Szymborski is becoming one of my favorite under-the-radar writers at ESPN.  I tend to be a fan of guys who are not just stats-oriented, but also guys who have what I consider to be a good feel for the game.  Szymborski fits that description for me.  Anyway, I was very pleased to see that he came out with an article of the next 10 great young players and potential Hall-of-Famers (insider only) and that number 7 on the list is our own Starlin Castro, whom Szymborski calls the most underrated young player in the game right now.  Castro ranks ahead of Stephen Strasburg on the list.  Players ahead of him include Giancarlo Stanton (you can probably guess who some of the other guys are).  He thinks Castro is the player most likely to make a run at 3,000 hits and that he has solid range at SS with the ability to make highlight reel plays despite the occasional blunder.
  • One of my under-the-radar guys, Andres Torres, has decided to re-sign with the Giants where he'll likely share time in the OF.  I thought he'd be a nice fit as a potential platoon partner/defensive replacement for David DeJesus in CF, but it appears the Cubs may be looking more for a full-time player there -- which, of course, means I have to remind you all of my obsessive idea that Coco Crisp would be the perfect trade target and fit for the Cubs in CF right now.  The Cubs should have plenty of bullpen arms to deal which, combined with salary relief, should be enough to get a deal done, in my opinion.
  • Ryan Dempster appears to be nearing a deal with the Boston Red Sox, according to Ken Rosenthal.  Dempster has made his preferences known -- a 3 year deal with an NL team that has a spring base in AZ -- so if he's signing with the Red Sox, the guess here is that he's at least getting a 3 year deal since that is the only criteria they can possibly meet.
  • Patrick Mooney of CSN writes that the Cubs contract with RP Chang-yong Lim would be a 2 yr. minor league deal without a lot of guaranteed money.
  • Lastly, I think I need a creative name for my bullet point posts....any ideas?

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  • I'd stay away from the word bullet, John. Whenever I read that word I think of something that shoots and/or kills things. Just saying. As for something creative, I like Positive Posts.

  • I don't use bullets in the title and agree that I'd like to use something different. Apart from the connotation you mention, I think it's already being used at other sites.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    You're right, it is being used at at least one other Cub website that I used to visit.

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    I know of 2, but it's the same author in both places.

  • I don't have strong feelings against it. Just looking for something original. I use News and Notes often, but that's been used in plenty of places too. Would like something baseball related.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    How about Cub Droppings. It's original, a little silly (and maybe even gross), but original.

  • Along that line, I was thinking something like "Cubs shooting themselves in the foot bullet posts." But too long.

    There are all sorts of dingbats one can use in typography. But Archie Bunker has already debased that term.

    Re-sign is a similar conundrum.

    But, as a matter of substance, I don't have anything to say about the hot stove league. It might be only slightly more relevant that "Whitney" had a Wrigley Field banner in a bar scene last night.

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    Presumably Kevin Towers has already called to complain that Didi "Jeter" Gregorius isn't on the list.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Ha! I like Towers, though, and maybe Gregorius will be better than some experts think. Just don't agree with him on the Jeter comp.

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    How about just plain old Cubs' News and Notes? It's not fancy, but it works. Also, bullets leave a round hole, though sometimes jagged depending on how they entered and exited the intended target. Yours are square. So maybe we shouldn't call them bullets, as I've never seen a square bullet hole.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Ha! They do leave a hole. Can't have posts with holes in them.

    If I don't come up with anything, I'll stick with news and notes. It's descriptive enough, even if it isn't original either.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I'm sure you'll come up with something, John.

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    I like "Cubs bits". It's short, has a nice ring to it, usefully loose in meaning and I don't think anybody else uses it. Just an idea!

  • In reply to João Lucas:

    Thanks Joao!

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Come to think of it, I like "Cubbie bits" better. :)

  • Ooo, brainstorming! My favorite thing not named pie.

    Cubbie Blue Blurbs
    Bullet Train
    The Train
    The El Train (though "El" brings to mind the loss flag.)
    Blips and a Blast (My favorite.)
    Chain of Cubstody (I'm so sorry. I could make it worse, watch: Chain of Cubs today.)

    I could do 50 of these but luckily there was an intervention.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    LOL...I'd figure you'd come up with some creative ones.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    It's a sickness. :)

    Touching all the bases (since your bullets are square)

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Or you could just do Touch Base to give you more room after the colon. eg, Touch Base: Adams, Price, Castro. Plus base kind of denotes fan base who you're communicating with.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Ivy Info?

  • In reply to Quedub:

    I was trying to work Eamus Catuli into something but I've got nothing, Jerry, nothing.

  • If Demp becomes a RedSox, maybe we'll trade for him at the deadline.. Lol.

  • I have to agree with dan, castro is the most underrated young star in the game. You look at mlb network and espn they never put castro in the conversation with harper,trout,strasburg,and stanton. Castro is a two time allstar with over five hundred hits already and the potential to be a gold glove defender. I now every one falls in love with harper,trout,strasburg, and stanton,but castro is no were near his peak yet.

  • Reports are that the Angels and Josh Hamilton are close to a deal. This could be another domino to fall in the Cubs' favor in their quest to deal Soriano to a team in need of an OF bat. Besides that though, it would create a logjam in the Angels' outfield. How about the Cubs trying to trade Marmol there again, but this time netting Peter Bourjos?

  • In reply to Getmonty2:

    Definitely a huge domino for the Cubs. Lots of teams will be in on Bourjos and I expect the Cubs to be among the teams inquiring. Marmol a possibility even though they signed Madson. They were competing for Fujikawa, so still looking for back of bullpen help.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I am willing to bet the angels use Bourjos to sure up their pitching and trade for Dickey.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Now that would be interesting. How would Dickey's knuckleball fare in Anaheim?

    And the Mets - other than Wright and a few pieces - are a mess . Bourjos would fit a need on that team.

  • In reply to drkazmd65:

    Its known for being a Pitchers park.

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    Bullet the cubbie blue sky

  • In reply to Luis de Cordova:

    A U2 reference! I'm a big music guy so any play on that works for me.

  • Cubs: Points to the Top!

  • Maybe, Dens Points to the Top!

  • In reply to Cubs26:

    Thanks Cubs26!

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    I like what Olney had to say about our rebuild. But here is my question John, What do you think it would take to land David price next year. Assuming our prospects take a step forward who would they want and who would we be willing to give away.

  • In reply to Larry:

    I think at this point it'd have to start with Baez and a top pitching prospect. Deal would be larger than that on both sides, though.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    i hope t/j would be smart enough to turn this into a 3 or 4 team trade. i feel that way the cubs would be able to hold on to more of their top guys and fill other teams needs with guys like barney and dejesus

  • I just saw it's being reported that Hamilton signed for 5 yrs with the Angels. All I can say is Wow! Didn't see that one coming. I second the idea of going after Bourjos. Also, Jeff Beliveau was DFA'd.

  • In reply to Zippy2212:

    Props to Zonk on Beliveau. He called that one. I think Beliveau is likely gone now.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Thanks, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every so often

    Cubs seem to be prioritizing ceiling; Beliveau has a very low ceiling. He might clear waivers anyway.

  • In reply to Zonk:

    Might, but young LHPs have a way of finding their way on to 40 man rosters. He's DFA'd, so Cubs have window to trade him, perhaps for a certain CF'er?

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    Just seen were the Angels have signed Josh Hamilton to a 5 year deal worth 125 million.

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    Wrigley Rumblings?
    Bruin Banter?
    Cub Calls?
    If the Cubs can grab Adams, I really like the way the bullpen is shaping up! Less stress on the rotation plus valuable trade chips for contenders if the Cubs aren't in it. With the focus on pitching and defense, it will also allow the offense to evolve to where just a surprise or two could elevate the Cubs into contention.
    Can't complain about a boring off-season!

  • In reply to AdolphoPhillips67:

    Thanks Adolfo, some real good ones there. Man, this isn't going to be easy.

  • My submission is "John's Mulligan Stew".

  • In reply to Moonlight:

    Haha! I like it. Mulligan Stew fits in nicely...some meat, some potatoes, and whatever else I can scrounge up :)

    Lots of good ones to consider here.

    Keep 'em coming everyone. Lots of fun suggestions.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Instead of Mulligan Stew, you could go with Cubs Stew.

    Or maybe Cubs Scoop. Cubs Bits or

    BB - Bits and Bites.

  • In reply to JeffK:

    Thanks...all good ones!

  • Angels will regret signing him, hamilton can't stay on the field. We seen in years past that offseason winners don't win the world series.

  • John, I've got a question about your man love for Crisp. One of the things you like about him is his speed, but he's about 3 years older than Michael Bourn, who you always seem to warn about signing for longer that a couple years because he'll lose his speed by the end of his contract.

    Tell me again - why Crisp?

  • In reply to SFToby:

    He's still fast and he's a one year deal. And he doesn't cost a draft pick.

  • @JimBowdenESPNxm
    Ryan Dempster and Red Sox have agreed to straight two-year deal

    So much for a 3yr deal wit ha NL team that holds ST in AZ....

  • One other thing - with JoHam signing with the Angels, do you think we could get Trumbo for Marmol and someone else?

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    In reply to SFToby:

    Bourjos is the logical target now.
    Hamilton in LF, Trout in CF and Wells in RF. Trumbo as DH

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    In reply to Louie101:

    Peter is the target but Kendrys Morales will be the DH. Trumbo will play 3B/RF.

    Vernon Wells becomes a really expensive bench player

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Bourjos more likely. Angels saying that Trumbo not available. At any rate, I'm not sure he's great fit. Questionable defense, high K rate, not very good plate discipline.

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    Cubbie Occurances?
    We could take the Lou-phrase and make it viable.

  • How about "Cubbie Occurrences"? Lou would be proud!

  • Wise minds think alike. Beat me to the punch!

  • In reply to ifandorbut:

    Thanks guys. I'll put it on the list!

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Let's see
    Cub Scat
    Major League Meanderings
    Ivy Issues

  • The Wrigley Feel?

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    Angels have probably put too much into their bullpen to be interested in a Marmol for Bourjos deal.
    Phil Rogers tweets that Rangers may be interested in Soriano. With the 2 years/10 mil discount, Rangers could get Bourn and rotate Cruz, Sori, Murphy at LF, RF and DH.

  • In reply to Louie101:

    I think Soriano would be a big let down for the Rangers but I suppose it's possible. I do expect Texas to act soon.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    What do we care if he's a big let down for them. Long as they send us that LH Pitcher Martin Perez I believe or someone like that.

    I am sure Geovanny will give Soriano a ringing endorsement

  • In reply to Jim Odirakallumkal:

    Ha! I have no worries at all about that. They do have a good relationship with the Cubs so it'll be interesting to see if they can work something out here.

  • at 5 mill a year for a lets say .260 25 90 guy , lot of bang for Your buck considering they can DH him and he can spot play LF for them .Not a bad salvo to fire back at the Angels .

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    and We could send Villenueva along with Sori and cash and try to pry Olt loose.

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Certainly a more efficient salvo, depending on whom they'd have to give up. Soriano could produce enough in short term to lessen the impact of Hamilton move.

  • So, Mariners seemed to be interested in Bourn. What if Rangers swoop in an take him, do the Mariners act on DeJesus? Or what if the Rangers swoop in on Swisher, do the Indians take Ross, leaving the Phillies with Soriano? In any case seems like the market is finally jiving.

  • In reply to Furiousjeff:

    Lots of directions this can go for a whole lot of teams and players. It's dizzying to think about. Hopefully the smoke will clear soon.

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    Soriano + Garza + anything they're interested in (that we are willing to part with)

    For Olt and Profar.

    Fantasy probably, but a fun one.

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    I think it would look more like Soriano and Garza for Olt, Perez, and Justin Grimm. That would be a great deal for both.

  • Beliveau DFAd. That's 1.

  • Wahhhh? We're already thin at LHRP, unless they plan on making Rusin a reliever this doesn't make any sense to me.

  • In reply to Furiousjeff:

    I think Rusin can make a good reliever, actually. Potentially opens up a bullpen spot for either him or Raley.

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    Hell, for Olt and Profar, I'd throw in Baez, Vitters, Lake, and Jackson.

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    In reply to Giffmo:

    I'm not sure we could get Profar if we offered Starlin Castro.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Yeah. Still a good fantasy to have Castro at 2b and Profar at SS with Olt and Rizzo on the corners and that upcoming OF.

    .....*sigh *

  • A couple more submissions: Hearings and Happenings, Chicago Chit Chat.

  • In reply to PortlandCubbie:

    Thanks Portland...

    Lots of good ideas. I wonder if I may have to wind up doing a poll here and letting all of you guys decide.

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    Bourjos would be nice to have. The Angels desperately need pitching. I wonder if there's any way to make this happen. Travis Wood? Garza? That would obviously require more than Bourjos, though.

  • How about 'Singles' ?

  • In reply to cubster:

    That might work. Perhaps "opposite field singles" in honor of Darwin Barney :)

  • Have to think of something really good here , Maybe The Daily Groin Pulls? lol

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Ha! I think that would work if there was a snarkier vibe here. Sounds like something for Obstructed View :)

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    not gonna lie, I was channeling my inner ARAM .

  • Looks like the Rangers are now looking at LaRoche.

  • makes some sense they are really r/h hitting dominated lineup now.

  • That makes some sense for them. More so than Soriano, in my opinion.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I have to agree with you....Angels and Rangers are interdivisional rivals. They can't lose Josh Hamilton and respond with......Soriano. No offense to Soriano, but Rangers fans have seen that movie before.

    They need to get LaRoche or Swisher or Bourn or somebody big

    Tough loss for Rangers, but that 5th year is a huge risk

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    In reply to Zonk:

    LOL. Ladouche is prob 1/2 a notch above Soriano. He's not spring chicken. There is a reason he changes zip codes almost every year.

    Swisher, now that would be something "Big"

    Rangers go grab a starting pitcher via trade and Soriano, then it could be sold.

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    Through the Vine?

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    In reply to Kevin Heckman:

    Vine Tastings

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I like.

  • In reply to Kevin Heckman:

    Hmm...that could work. I'm going to have to take a bunch down and put it to vote.

  • In reply to Kevin Heckman:

    Good one. How about "Behind The Vines" or "Beyond The Vines"?

  • Can I add "What's Bruin"?

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  • I'd take Bourjos in a heartbeat if we didn't have to give up too much. What scares me about him is how his speed disappeared in 2012. True he had about a third of the AB's he did in 2011, but his steals went from 22 to 3 and his triples went from 11 to 0.

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    I like: Cubs Trail or Cubbie Trail

  • "Watercooler Scuttlebutt"
    "Watercooler Rants and Rumors"
    "Cubbie Chatter"

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    In reply to Moonlight:

    Definitely have to have scuttlebutt in the title.

  • Seeing Eye Single........

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    The Daily Droppings?

  • Hey John,

    How 'bout Den Drops? short and two the point, not unlike a certain Oak Park blogger who shall remain nameless.

    Good to see Coco back in the discussion. He still has tools, a good clubhouse guy, relatively inexpensive for the Cubs, and still too expensive as a 4th outfielder for the A's at 7 mil.

    Have a great day and a great holiday season

  • In pursuing Mike Adams, Theo is chasing another ambulance to stock his bullpen.

    With all these bargain acquisitions, the Cubs should use some of the cash they're saving on players and spend it on top notch doctors. Maybe Theo is scouting medical schools looking for young five-tool doctors with good makeup and high upside.

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    In reply to baseballet:

    HAHAHAHAH, sad but true

  • Title Suggestions....

    Dugout Chat......

    Diamond Rumors....

    Outside the Lines......

    After Hours with John Arguello....

    Cubbies Corner....

    Latest Hopes, Dreams & Rumors for Cubs Fans....

    Around the Bases

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    John, you mentioned an affinity for music and wanting something that both references baseball and the bullet point structure of these posts. To that end, what about "Liner Notes"?

  • In reply to Hans Larson:

    Hmmm....liner notes. Interesting!

  • Instead of buying tickets, maybe the best way to help the Cubs would be to donate our healthy elbow ligaments to the front office. Is there a donation program in place?

  • How about a long shot? In reference to long time sports writer Maury White of the Des Moines Register... A little bit about a lot of things. He used that phrase when he began his articles with lots of different subjects in short snipits. Lots of good ones to choose from John. Good luck with that decision.

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    Paw prints!

  • Looks like Ichiro turned down an offer from the Phillies to go back to the Yankees. Soriano to Phillies still a distant possibility.

  • One more? "Touching all the bases"

  • Call your bullets "Cubbie Bears" and have bullets shaped like little bears.

  • In reply to baseballet:

    How about..."one hoppers"?

  • How about Northside News & Notes or Wrigley Rundown?

  • Great stuff guys. So much to choose from!

    Keep 'em coming. I think the plan is for me to talk some things over with Tom and Felzz early next week. We can add this to the agenda.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John, If you like music, how about Measure for Measure or Base Notes

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I would like a vote.

  • Jay Jottstones

  • A spin on AZBob's

    Den Droppings

  • What was the expression that Dale used after a couple of baserunning gaffes last season, Brain f_ _ _ s ?

  • Where would Beliveau fit in terms of a larger deal? Don't think they'd DFA him without something else in mind.

  • we are in the game on anibal sanchez ...rumor is rosenthal says 5-75million

  • Nightengale says its done 5/75 Sanchez to Cubs..

  • Kap credits nightengale for breaking the news. Also MLBTR references the signing. Guess this is why we let go of Beliveau?

  • Might cost us our 2nd pick. Who cares. Questions (1) Is Garza
    next and are in winning mode now (2) who is traded or released.
    What other moves might happen if we are in a winning mode now.

  • Wow... I like the deal.... Bye Garza

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    How is signing a 29 y/o, non-difference-maker to a 5 year deal consistent with the rebuilding plan?

  • In reply to Giffmo:

    It's puzzling, but then so was signing a closer from Japan for a team that may very well be lacking in save opportunities. Makes me wonder if they aren't trying to be more competitive in 2013 than most everyone expected. I guess $15M/yr is the going rate for a #2-3 SP.

  • Woowwwwwww!!!!!!

    Sanchez is one of my favorite pitchers. Have a quick post up but will add more.

  • Tossing into the ring:

    Heavy Hitters
    Leadoff Hitters
    Waveland Shots

  • Or maybe:

    Top Hits
    Rounding the Bases

  • I have a suggestion, please don't take this in the wrong way, nothing but hiighest regard for your site and work here, but regarding the rumour mill for this particular franchise? Maybe the Grand Prize Game?

  • In reply to eddie35:

    Haha! Seems like a fit :)

  • In reply to eddie35:

    Hopefully the Cubs someday get the ping pong ball in Bucket # 6.

  • John, when you hint at the Cubs have a PlanB, isn't that an "informed" opinion? Marcum? Liriano?

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    Maybe Villanueva.

  • Sorry guys. Trying to get info so not on the blog as much as i want to be.

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    For bullet posts - how about Arguello's Bellows? The definition of bellow being; to make the loud deep hollow sound characteristic of a bull.

  • Phillies to sign Adams. 3 years, 18 million. Ridiculous.

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