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Cubs position by position analysis: Corner OF

Cubs position by position analysis: Corner OF
Alfonso Soriano

I've decided to combine LF and RF since corner outfielders, especially left-fielders aren't a central part of an organization's development plan.  Every so often you'll draft a big bat, as the Diamondbacks did with Justin Upton, or sign a big international free agent, as the Cubs did with Jorge Soler.  But a lot of corner OF'ers were drafted or signed at other positions, such as the Rays top prospect Wil Meyers, who was drafted as a catcher.

The Cubs are no exception and they only have one prospect who stands out as a corner outfield prospect in Soler, so we'll have to be creative here and project other possible corner outfielders when we get to the prospects section.

Offensive outlook (Bill James projections)

  • Alfonso Soriano: .245/.304/.462 with 27 HRs, .217 ISO, .325 wOBA
  • Nate Shierholtz:  .267/.321/.425 with 7 HRs, .158 ISO,  .320 wOBA

As it stands now, Dave Sappelt may platoon with either  Nate Shierholtz in RF or, less likely, David DeJesus in CF.  There is no Bill James projection for Sappelt for 2013.  As for the outfielders above, it's interesting to note that James predicts a significant regression for Alfonso Soriano.  It looks more like his 2011 year than 2012, one in which Soriano was just a 1.4 WAR player, which is a below average starter.  Perhaps teams have similar projections which has made it difficult to deal Soriano for anything of real value.  It's hard to measure how much Soriano's rebound had to do with the switch to a lighter bat.  The numbers certainly seemed to take off after the switch, but other factors may have played a part as well.  Meanwhile, on the other corner, Shierholtz is behind Soriano in terms of power, but other factors, such as OBP, make him a lot closer than we expect in terms of wOBA, which is a number that attempts to measure a player's all-around offensive value.  Once a top prospect in the Giants system, Shierholtz may benefit greatly from a change of scenery and a more hitter friendly ballpark.

Defensive outlook

Soriano has improved immensely in LF and we can consider him at least an average defender.  UZR/150 has always been kind to Soriano and last year was no exception.  A large part of that in the past has been due to his strong, accurate throwing arm which has helped him average over 10 assists per season as a Cub, including 12 last year. Last season,however, Soriano also showed steadier play and improved range.  He made 54 more plays within his zone than he did in 2011.  He also made 66 plays outside of his zone (OOZ).  It represented a career high and gave further testimony to his work with Dave McKay.  Overall, his UZR/150 last year was 12.3, well above average and his best rating since 2008.

On the other corner, Nate Shierholtz is an athletic player with a very good arm.  He posted a UZR/150 of 1.8, which is slightly above average.  His career UZR/150 is also a solid 9.2.  Dave Sappelt has good speed but surprised me a little with his good defense in his short stint. The word on Sappelt was always that he had the speed, but didn't always get great jumps or run good routes, particularly in CF.  The report has been that he was better in the corners and Sappelt's UZR/150 numbers were off the charts in RF, though some of that is due to small sample size.  However, it is the second consecutive year Sappelt put up big defensive rating numbers at a corner OF position.  In 2011 he rated well above average in LF.

Overall

The Cubs will get some power numbers from Soriano if he's still here but the overall production in the corner's will likely be a weakness with the 2013 team, at least as far as offense is concerned.  Defense is another matter and the Cubs have a chance to perhaps save a few runs with their glove work/throwing arms.  Between the 3 OF'ers, the Cubs should have above average defense on the corners in 2013.

Depth/Outside Help

Theo Epstein has been open to trading Soriano with the Cubs picking up all but $10M of the salary owed to him over the next 2 years.  The Phillies are looking for a RH bat to fill the power void in the middle of their lineup and have shown some mild interest.  Jim Bowden reported yesterday on his radio show that there is an offer on the table between the Phillies and the Cubs involving Soriano, but if I had to guess, it's the Cubs with the offer on the table and the Phillies exploring other options for now.  If past rumors are correct, the player the Cubs are looking for in return is Domonic Brown.

It appears that the Cubs are set to go with a Nate Shierholtz/Dave Sappelt platoon in RF unless the team acquires a full-time CF'er and moves DeJesus back to RF.  The thought here is that the Cubs would like to keep their outfield defense strong, so the preference would be to pick up a CF who would be an upgrade while keeping both corners strong defensively.  I expect that with the team looking to rely on a suddenly deep pitching staff, they're going to give them all the support they can to a) give the pitchers (and thus the team) the best possible chance of succeeding and b) increasing the market value of those pitchers because better defense behind them should lead to better results-oriented statistics such as ERA.

As far as current depth, the Cubs have speed merchant Tony Campana on the 40 man roster and that gives him the inside track for that 5th spot.  Campana is a threat on the bases and a weapon off the bench late in games, but doesn't offer enough defense or OBP skills to warrant much playing time.  He'll be challenged this spring by Bryan Bogusevic, a LH hitter with decent speed, a little more pop, and better OBP skills than Campana.  Despite standing 6-3, 220 lbs, Bogusevic is also surprisingly good in CF.  He's more suited, however, for the corners.

Prospects

Most MLB Ready: Junior Lake.  Yes, I know he's been an infielder his whole life, but his speed, arm, and overall athleticism may translate best to the OF.  In fact, I think Lake can be a plus defender out there with his natural skills.  The question is whether he can carry the kind of offensive load you expect from your corner outfielders.  As far as current corner OF'ers, recent minor league free agent acquisition Johermyn Chavez is interesting, but still frustratingly raw.  He has good power and plate discipline and is a plus defender with a strong arm.  His challenge is to make enough contact to make any of it matter.  He's had two consecutive seasons in AA and will either return there or make the jump to Iowa.

Top Prospect:  Jorge Soler.  Nobody else is particularly close.  The Cuban born rightfielder is a good athlete with tremendous power potential, rivaling Dan Vogelbach for the best raw power in the system, as demonstrated by a mammoth HR at Kane County last year that went deep into the woods behind the stadium. He has better strike zone awareness than you would think and extremely fast hands through the zone.  The Cubs felt he needed some adjustments to his swing so he returned the instructional league where it appeared to me that coaches were working on getting him to use his lower half better.  He'll start in Daytona if he makes enough progress this offseason.

Others to watch: We have to dig deep here. This is a mish-mosh of position change candidates, 4th OFer types, raw but injury prone talents, and teenagers who are far, far away from the majors.

Brett Jackson may end up getting pushed to LF if Albert Almora is the real deal.  Jackson struggled with making contact but he has enough power to play a corner.  He may not have the ideal hit tool, but he can make up for it with walks to supplement his OBP.  He also should have more speed and defensive skills than many left-fielders.

Josh Vitters has also seen some time in the OF corners and could get bumped out there in time.  His greatest value is at 3B, but he'll have to show he can at least be an average defender if he wants to stick there.

Rubi Silva and John Andreoli are both 4th outfielder types with different skill sets.  Silva is the better athlete.  He has good speed which gives him good range at all 3 OF positions to go with a strong throwing arm.  He's hacktastic at the plate, however, and although he has good natural hitting ability, his lack of discipline may undermine that at the upper levels.  Andreoli stole 54 bases but he's more of an average runner with great instincts and range that is better suited for the corners.  He hasn't shown much power thus far but he has good size and excellent strike zone discipline (15.1% walk rate, .402 OBP).  Perhaps that combo will translate to more power down the road.

Reggie Golden was the Cubs top corner OF prospect a year ago but injuries have curtailed his development significantly.  Golden was pretty raw to begin with and badly needed to get as much playing time as possible.  If he can't put together a strong, healthy season, his future is very much in doubt.  When healthy, he's a power hitting Ron Gant/Kevin Mitchell type with plus raw power, above average speed, a good throwing arm, and emerging plate discipline.

I really liked Taiwan Easterling when I saw him in batting practice as the ball seemed to jump off his bat.  Game time was a different story, however, as he struggled with breaking pitches.  Like Golden, he's a good athlete who needs lots of polish, but an injury cut into much needed development time.

If Jeimer Candelario can't handle 3B, then 1B or LF may be his only options.  I'm not sure he is going to have the speed/athleticism you like in the OF, but if he hits as the Cubs hope, they'll need to find a place for him.

Trevor Gretzky finished strong and wound up hitting .300 but he'll need to gain strength and tap into his power potential before he becomes a factor in LF or 1B.

If you dig deep into the Cubs system, you'll find a couple of intriguing bats down in the DSL.  Ricardo Marcano is already a LF'er and he's a hitter whom some have compared to Victor Martinez.  He shows an advanced approach and a knack for hitting, but struggled some as a 17 year old.  Teammate Luis Acosta spent most of his time at SS but no way he sticks there.  The next step in the progression for him is 3B but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up in LF.  Acosta showed some power and plate discipline, but overall the 17 year old was overmatched in his first year at the DSL.

Others: Greg Rohan, Oliver Zapata, Yasiel Balaguert, Bijan Rademacher, Garrett Schlecht

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  • You forgot to mention Jae-Hoon Ha, who appears to have excellent defensive skills, a decent bat but limited power. He'll probably be at Iowa this year, but could earn a September call-up, particularly if Soriano and/or DeJesus are traded.

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    In reply to cubsin:

    You beat me to it.......Ha definitely deserves a mention.

    He didn't have a great season at AA, but at 21 was young for that level, and he did finish relatively strong. He used to get more mention in Cubs prospect lists; not sure if he's regressed, or we just have better guys in the top 15-20.

    I have read that Ha's ceiling is as a 4th-OF, due to lack of power, but that he figures to make the majors with his good plate discipline, excellent defense in the corners, and good work ethic

  • In reply to cubsin:

    I didn't forget Ha. I consider him a true CF and that's where his biggest value is. He'll be a reserve if he makes it.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I want to hear Al Pacino say his name.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Or Bill Hader as Al Pacino.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    That's a good point, and I think you are right that Ha doesn't hit enough to NOT be able to play major-league CF.

    But where will he play next year? Brett Jackson will play CF in Iowa, and Matt Szczur probably opens at AA in CF. Where does that leave Ha? I think he may have to play an OF corner in Iowa or AA.

  • In reply to cubsin:

    LF: Jackson
    CF: Alrmora
    RF: Soler

    That's gotta be what FO is thinking.

    But when? 2015 at the earliest? And all three settled in by, what, 2017?

    Maybe Jax up after Sori traded in July. Any chance Almora or Soler can be September call ups in 2014?

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    John, do you think Oakland would be insterested in DeJesus plus a minor prospect or a bullpen arm (maybe even Marmol?) for Coco Crisp? It seems to me this would make sense for everyone. I like DeJesus but he seems a little out of place with the Cubs right now, since his best position is RF which will be already taken by another lefty.

    An outfield staff comprised of Soriano, Crisp, Schierholtz, Sappelt and Bogusevic sounds like a pretty decent one to me.

  • In reply to João Lucas:

    I think right now Crisp is a better fit than DeJesus for both the Cubs and the A's. Marmol may be interesting because we know the Cubs originally asked for Bourjos plus an IF'er, then settled for Haren. It tells us a) that they prefer a CF and b) that they'll take a one year player if it fits a bigger need.

  • Gotta like John Andreoli's base stealing and plate discipline. Maybe if the power doesn't come they can convert him to CF and he can be a classic leadoff type.

    Also not giving up on Campana in that role. He's only 26 and if he could learn to ditch that uppercut and take more walks, he could get that OBP around .350 where he'd be a viable starter.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Maybe you're right on Campana. It seems the Cubs haven't given up on him yet.

    From what I hear Andreoli is stretched out in CF based on speed/athleticism. When he was at Daytona with Szczur and Silva, it seemed Andreoli was 3rd in line, perhaps 4th if you count Elieser Bonne.

    I think Andreoli either develops some power or he's an extra outfielder.

  • Wouldn't Sappelt technically be the "most ready" prospect? I didn't think he logged enough time last year to qualify as a rookie?

  • In reply to jimmy mac1:

    He had even more MLB time with the Reds last year. Between the two he stints he has exhausted his rookie status, I believe. If not, then yes, he's the most ready.

  • Pretty sure John is considering Hoon Ha a CF prospect. Elite defender in center, so CF prospect. Main attribute is defense and handles CF well.

  • In reply to beerweather:

    Yep. He'll be in the CF piece.

  • why no love for Matt Sczur? Thought he had some potential. remember when Hendry signed him saying he was part of future OF with Colvin and Jackson?

  • In reply to quincycub:

    Cfer

  • Needless to say, this is an area that the org still needs a lot of work/luck with positional change. It'll be interesting to see if they try to pick off a good OF prospect in any Garza deal.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs tried to get a corner OF'er from another organization.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    In the event Sori can't get it done with PHI, what else do we have that could interest them for Brown, given their needs?

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    They're looking for bullpen help.

  • let the Giancarlo Stanton comments begin!! haha

  • In reply to Joshnk24:

    How about this trade......

    Castro
    Garza
    Soler
    Almora
    Vogelbach
    Baez
    Capt. Morgan Bar
    Harry Caray Statue
    and 15,000 Cubs fans to fill the seats at Marlins stadium

    for

    Stanton
    the Marlins FOX TV girls
    the Marlins fish tank behind home plate
    the HR Marlins scoreboard
    and a dozen Palm Trees to be planted beyond RF bleachers

  • In reply to Joshnk24:

    The team I think could make a huge push is Seattle. They have some serious prospects they can move. I also wouldn't be surprised if they don't make a move for Crisp. I think they could make some moves and be a surprise contender.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    Agree here that Seattle can offer some really good SP prospects and perhaps a young position player or two. Good call.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I am better about trades when emotions aren't involved. LOL.

  • In reply to KGallo:

    I think we all are :)

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    In reply to KGallo:

    The other nice part about that is that it would tighten the vice on the Rangers even further. Nothing like a team with an amazing farm system being desperate.

  • Good stuff John. I've been of the opinion that Sappelt was a 4th/5th type OF'r since we acquired him. I'm going to go on record as saying he has some upside from that expectation. I'm not predicting anything, but his Defense is better than expected. Maybe that's a result of working with the guru McKay? If so, given his physical tools he may still be a legit CF'r. Either way, being able to play all 3 OF positions is a big plus.

    He has always mashed Lefties. So he may only be a spot starter & role player for us, but he may be able to hit Righty's enough to be an everyday player for us too. The dude is flat out raking this winter. It'll be interesting to see how he handles a full season @ the MLB level.

    I'm content with the platoon of him & Schierholtz in RF. I think that gives us plus Def & avg offense in RF. Sori is Sori and unless he's on the DL we will get what we need in LF. CF is the question mark?.... But I'll hold off since that's your next article....

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Thanks! He didn't play any CF with Iowa that I can remember but that would be nice if he could play it, at least on a part time basis. DeJesus needs a break against lefties.

    Sappelt's the kind of guy that will have to fight his way to a starting lineup. He's undersized, he's a bit of a tweener between CF and corner guy. Has the bat for CF but not the glove, at least not at this point.

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    Another good article John, and laying out the organization like this shows this: We are a little weak in corner OF depth. After pitching, we need catchers, but after that, corner OF. The CF article will show, along with 2B/SS, that we are strong up the middle.

    Soler is really our only good corner OF prospect

  • In reply to Zonk:

    Thanks. I think that's a natural progression. You want to build up the middle first and then work your way out. In the meantime, you have to do some patchwork in the corners.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    You're probably right in that there is a plan around it. It's also easy to move players down the defensive scale (SS,CF,2B,3B,RF,LF,1B), than it is in the other direction. So, if you're heavy in SS or CF, you can move the player to another position or trade them. A great idea to build from middle-out, as you say.

    Also gives us flexibility to draft not defensive position, but whoever has the best bat

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I also think it's easier to acquire corner OF'ers in free agency, trade, etc.

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    John, what do you think the OF looks like at AAA and AA to open the season?

    AAA figures to be Chavez, B-Jax, and Bogusevic, and maybe Campana and/or Ha
    AA will include Szczur, Andreoli, Rubi Silva, and maybe Ha

    Of that list, 2 legit prospects and a couple other fringy ones....not loaded yet, but starting to look better at higher levels

    Not only that, but Soler and Almora will hopefully be fast risers, particularly Soler, who is older with Int'l experience

  • In reply to Zonk:

    I'm going to have a team-by-team roster projection soon. I'm going to start with Iowa and work my way down to Kane County. Not sure if I'll do Boise yet.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    It would be very tough to do Boise, because alot of the roster should be 2013 draftees. This is one benefit to the new CBA: The signing deadline is alot sooner, and in-time for players to play in short season A

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    So, the comment on Soler's power rivaling Vogelbach's. I've seen Vogelbach's power referred to as a legitimate 80 (though never by scouts -- only bloggers). Is that accurate? Is Soler there, as well?

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    I wouldn't call Soler's power an 80. As for Vogelbach, Law called him an 80 when I saw him in AZ. Probably a 70 for Soler but I'd put him a notch above Baez in terms of power potential. Seems to me his power comes a little easier. It's somewhat subjective so if you just call Vogelbach a 75, you could see Soler developing power in that range.

  • John, not to get off the subject, but what do you think about the Cubs going after Stanton? He's an awesome player! I wouldn't want to destroy the farm system and future for him!! I wouldn't give up Baez, Almora or Soler in any deal! If we would offer Jackson, Vitters, Szczur, Lake & Vogelbach for him, do you think thats not enough or too much or just forget it???

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    In reply to Jer Bear:

    I don't think that would come close. The Marlins would almost certainly want at least one top pitching prospect, which we don't even have. Vogelbach is the only guy on that list who could be an impact player and he's not a certainty. The other guys are more of fringe/perhaps decent MLB starting players, that's it. They're not going to deal Stanton for essentially filler.

    I don't see any trade the Cubs could make to get him that wouldn't cost us at least 2 of our top prospects and a couple more good prospects, unless the Cubs were willing to deal Samardzija or Castro, and that just doesn't make sense either.

  • In reply to Jer Bear:

    I think Baez would almost certainly have to be involved though Miami would likely be very interested also in Cuban Jorge Soler and Cuban-American Albert Almora. I think the Cubs would have to give up two of those top 3 guys.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Can we forget about a Stanton deal....not going to happen......"if" and only "if" there was a Cubs trade dealing with Stanton, Theo would want to tie up Stanton with a ten year deal.......worth around $200 - 275 million.........I rather take that money and invest in farm system, contracts for Rizzo and other players.........so "All" you Kool Aid drinking Stanton fans, realize this, maybe we have our own "Stanton" type of player in our system in the likes of Baez or Soler or Almora....and at a much cheaper price.

  • I agree with you. I guess I just wanted to hear it from some else. I think we all want the future to be now!!!! I really think what the Cubs are doing is the absolute right thing!!! We as fans just need to be patient cause the future is very bright!!!! Hold on to what prosects we have, let them develop and work with what we have in the in the present!!!

  • I think the cubs should offer campana and soriano for dominic brown. i know that there are quite a few campana fans out there, but he does not fit the current roster right now. his speed is an excellent asset for a team that is contending, not one that is trying to build themselves into a contender. this will also open up a roster spot allowing the cubs to finalize one of the deals with the new pitchers we just signed.

    also dominic brown is a possible, 5 TOOL- IMPACT player. hes not just some middle of the road guy whos struggling, he was a top 5 prospect in all of baseball, who just hasnt figured it out/stayed healthy. if he works out you have a perennial all star guy who hits left handed, 280-300 avg with 20+ homers and solid plate discipline, who plays solid to plus corner outfield defense. if he doesnt work out you have a stopgap guy until the kids are ready, but i dont think giving up soriano, a 37 year old on a "building team" and campana, a true one tool player, is something the cubs will regret at all.

  • In reply to jshmoran:

    I'd be okay with that deal. Especially since it opens up a roster spot.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    does it make sense for the phillies though, i dont know too much about their bench guys, do they already have a campana like player? i feel like they are relectutant to trade for soriano, i dont think giving up brown is the issue for them, so if campana makes sense for them i think itd help them get over the hill, but if they already have someone similar i dont think it helps at all.

  • In reply to jshmoran:

    I don't know if they would want Campana, only saying I don't mind if he's the guy they need to trade to make it work. I don't think they have a problem with a Soriano-Brown trade so much that Soriano is probably lower on their list and they're waiting to see how other options play out. They've lost out on Ross and Swisher, and I'm guessing they lose out on Bourn too. After that it's either Soriano or guys like Scott Hairston. If they want more production and a chance to win with their current core (and the window seems to be closing), then Soriano makes sense even if it costs them a young player.

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  • In reply to SFToby:

    Thanks Toby.

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    Some guy on Brett's site was talking about a rumor of a 3 way deal between the Cubs, Pads and Chisox... Pads getting Gavin Floyd plus Matt Szcur, the Sox getting Travis Wood and Vitters and Cabrera (doubtful) and the Cubs getting Jed Gyorko...someone else mentioned that he heard that one as well don't know ..I'd like Jed but it would be a stretch to see San Diego giving up both Gyorko and Cabrera for Floyd, Sczur and prospects...Have you heard anyhting guys??

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    In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    Sounds like a silly season rumor to me, which pretty much guarantees it will happen.

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    Sounds reasonable. I'm assuming you mean Evereth Cabrera?

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    yep...lets see if something, anything materializes..you know me...I want Olt but would be happy with Gyork as well.

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    In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    The guys over at Bleacher Nation or pretty renowned for making up ridiculous trade scenarios. Many of which, wierdly enough, have the cubs coming out at the losers in the end and most are unrealistic deals the other club would have to be fools to make.

    This is one of them. As a consistent poster/reader at BN trust me, there's nothing to this rumor whatsoever. I wouldn't even do this deal. That would defeat the purpose of all the pitching depth we've tried to amass.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Guess we'll see if we hear anything from a credible source. Not sure where those guys heard it.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    The guy heard it from his brain lol I'm looking as the comment as we speak. It would be a great deal for us though.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Ha! Sometimes I wonder when people say they hear things but don't give a source.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Maybe it was the guy from Hot Stove Cubbies...he's been trying to get rid of Vitters for months now..LOL

  • The Padres would be giving up too much to include Cabrera. Could we throw in another to make it happen?

  • In reply to Jer Bear:

    I don't think Cabrera is really a deal breaker. More of a utility guy with great speed, but not really a starter level guy.

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    They have repeatedly said the plan on playing Headley and Gyorko together and building around them. With that park you can sign a middle-of-the-road pitcher without giving up anything and reasonably expect them to do well at petco. They need O more than anything. So trading Gyorko for an inconsistent guy like Floyd makes no sense to me.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    If Barney were included that would make sense, I think John mentioned awhile back to "keep an eye on he Padres" in regards to the Cubs trading partners...Jed, Jason and the new farm director know that system really well...Nothing would surprise me with these guys but like you guys said, this sounds like a fraudulent rumor..

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    I did. Heard that from a source a while back.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    it's like you said to me John, this front office is sneaky, you never know what they are capable of..

  • John would you rather have olt or gyorko?

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    In reply to Joshnk24:

    I know im not John, but Gyorko and Olt are the same age and pretty similar players.....On offense I give the edge to Gyorko, kid can absolutely rake. On defense Olt is better but not by much.

    Overall I say Gyorko. Lets see what John thinks.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I'd take either....We need to solidify the hot corner....Valbuena and Stewart left many a baserunners stranded last year

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    In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    I agree but my thing is what's the rush to give up players to do it right now? Why not wait and see if a finally healthy Stewart can give you some decent numbers then afterward see what you have with Vitters, Baez, Villinueva etc. If even one of those guys pan out you have 3B set without giving up a thing.

    Again, I agree with the need to solidify 3B I just don't see the urgency to do it tommorow.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    From my perspective, the urgency is to get something of value for Garza. It looks like Olt is the best piece on the table. If we can extend Garza or -- even better -- move him for, say, Tyler Skaggs, I'm all for it.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Texas adding Olt to a Stanton trade [ackage.....Texas needs a big splash after losing Hamilton....Garza has too many ????? now for any team who needs pitching........so forget about trading Garza until July.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Mike with you 100%....I really don't think the Cubs wanna renew Garza I trust Kap on this one

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I also like the idea of trading Garza for young pitching more than a 3B. Now that Garza only has a year left I don't think we could get an Olt + Perez type package anymore...realistically i'm looking at what the Marlins got for Sanchez as a starting point. Arizona and Atlanta fit perfectly as trade partners imo. They have an abundance of young, ML ready pitching.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    I think the great package is unlikely -- but if he's healthy and we can move him and the draft pick, we might do better than Sanchez.

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Marcel, if it's for a 30 something vet..yes there is no rush but fo a 22 or 23 year old solid prospect I have no problem...I had enough of Valbuena rally killing last year, I don't need to see a repeat

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    The Cubs had rallies?

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    let me rephrase this, runners in scoring position....he left a lethora of runners in scoring position..sorry for the incorrect vebage..lol

  • In reply to Joshnk24:

    I like Olt better overall, though I agree Gyorko may be the better hitter. Both are very good prospects.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I agree with you john, I like olt as well. a 5'10 third baseman (gyorko) just doesn't seem big enough for that position.

  • For the New Year Resolution...lets not have anymore of silly talk of a ...

    Stanton coming to the Cubs....
    or
    Trading Garza before Spring Training
    or
    Trading Soriano .....

    None of these three subjects will happen.

    Marcum is still an option for the Cubs.........Bourn is not with a $75 million price tag.

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    In reply to CubsTalk:

    I agree about Stanton, but unless you have confirmation from the front office, I see no reason to exclude the latter two from conversation. Personally, I don't think either will, but both are certainly possible, especially as we get into spring training (for Garza anyway).

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    In reply to Kevin Heckman:

    Breaking news: Cubs trade Soriano, Garza to Marlins for Giancarlo Stanton.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    Are you serious?

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    In reply to Just Win:

    Nevermind, I see this started with a CubsTalk post.

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    In reply to Just Win:

    Couldn't resist. Sorry for getting your hopes up.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I don't normally see you post crazy stuff, so when I first read it I thought it might be real, then said wait a minute, nobody in their right mind would make that deal.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Now what is that suppose to mean. He is a genius in his own mind.

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