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Cubs Notes: Garza says he'll be ready, Upton, Bourn, Crisp, Cuban FAs

Cubs Notes: Garza says he'll be ready, Upton, Bourn, Crisp, Cuban FAs

A short break from the position analysis, which I'll have tonight, to catch up on a few items.

This piece is something of a mailbag as I'm going to try and address the major questions I've been getting through email and Twitter.  There haven't been a lot of rumors for the Cubs lately, mostly because they've taken care of their biggest goal, which was to rebuild the rotation and bullpen.  There is one secondary need to take care of, an outfielder, and a tertiary need for another infielder who bats RH and can play multiple positions, including 3B.

That hasn't stopped people from speculating on major happenings including the status of Matt Garza, a trade for Justin Upton, and the lingering free agency of Michael Bourn.

  • The Cubs have loaded up on SP depth with the signing of Scott Baker, Scott Feldman, Edwin Jackson, and Carlos Villanueva.  They've covered themselves in case that Matt Garza won't be ready to go this spring.  According to Garza himself, that won't be a problem.  In an article by David Kaplan of CSN Garza said, "If Spring Training started tomorrow, I would be ready to go. I’m not ready to pitch six innings today, but I will be ready to go when the season starts. I will be ready to go Opening Day, that’s guaranteed.
  • Garza also has value as a recruiter apparently.  The same link above links to a video where Garza talks about his conversations with Cubs new pitcher Edwin Jackson.  Garza sold Jackson on day baseball and the ability to spend more time with his family.
  • Bruce Levine is jonesin' for the Cubs to trade for Justin Upton and it comes up several times in his chat.  At one point, Levine says, "I can almost understand Castro for Upton".  Nope.  Not going to happen.  Trading a core SS for a corner OF'er isn't how you build.  Value-wise, it's a trade that would have the Cubs running in place at best.  But Levine can "almost understand" Castro?  I'm not close to understanding the purpose of it.  Perhaps if Javier Baez was raking at AAA, but even then it's questionable. Texas wasn't about to give up Jurickson Profar for Upton even though they have Elvis Andrus and the Braves wouldn't part with Andrelton Simmons, and while he's a great player, he's not the all-around SS that Castro is.
  • Later in the chat, Levine says that Garza, Baez, and Jackson is overpaying.  I can agree with that.  When another fan suggests the Cubs should trade Matt Szczur, Dan Vogelbach, and Junior Lake in exchange for Justin Upton and Gerardo Parra, Levine responds that would be short.  Again, I agree.  Levine adds the Cubs would have to add a catcher.  The only one with any real value on the Cubs is Welington Castillo.    Though it would leave the Cubs with a big organizational hole at catcher, you'd think they'd make that trade if they had the chance.
  • Lots of chatter from various places on CF Michael Bourn.  My stance remains firm on this.  There are two choices with Bourn, you sign him to short term deal (one or two years), with the intention of flipping him for a prospect better than the Cubs 2nd pick, which will be somewhere in the 30-40ish range, roughly the equivalent of a first round supplemental in past years.  Jason McLeod recently stated he is excited about who they can get with that pick, so it obviously has great value to the Cubs.  Bourn won't put the Cubs over the top in the next year or two, so the only purpose is gambling that you'll get more for an over 30 speed player than you will with that pick.  Is it worth for a possible marginal upgrade if everything works out?  I don't think so.  The other alternative is to sign Bourn to a multi-year deal so that he could be around when the Cubs are ready to win.  If we call that year 2015, then you have to hope Bourn is still producing in his age 32 season.  It's possible, but that's high risk when you consider that Bourn is just an average offensive player right now and we should expect regression there.  The likelihood is that the Cubs will have a below average offensive player with diminished speed (and less defensive range in CF, where most of his value lies).
  • My alternative to Bourn would be Coco Crisp.  His offense has improved with age as he's added some power (a skill that tends to have a longer life span than just speed) and his defense is still good, but I have toned down my expectations that the Cubs can or will acquire him.  According to Ken Davidoff of the New York Post, the Mets inquired on Crisp but got the feeling that the A's don't want to trade him.  I can interpret that in two ways, either a) they really do intend to keep a 4th OF'er who makes $7.5M or b) they didn't like what the Mets were offering and are expecting a substantial return to consider dealing him.  In either case, it doesn't look great for the Cubs.  I like Crisp but my hope was that salary relief would be a bigger incentive for the A's.  I still think he's a great fit, but the rebuilding Cubs can't afford to give up a good young player for a one year stopgap.
  • I've had lots of questions on the two newest Cuban free agents, whom I wrote about a month ago here.  My basic response is that I believe the Cubs would have more interest in the infielder Aledmys Diaz simply because he is the better player and plays the more valuable position (he's a SS with a chance to stick there).  However, it's very likely he'd demand a 40 man roster spot and a team with a bigger need at SS/2B may have more incentive to give him that type of deal.  The other player is Dariel Alvarez and he projects more as a 4th OF'er.  The question with Alvarez is again whether he's worth a roster spot to the Cubs right now.  His ceiling is as a reserve OF'er  but likely won't be ready this year.  By 2014, the Cubs should have several players ready for that kind of role from their own organization.  Alvarez is available now, but Diaz will wait until he turns 23 and becomes an "unrestricted" international FA.  That will be on January 8th and he is expected to hold a workout around then.  We'll get a better idea of the Cubs interest around then.

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  • Thanks John, I always enjoy mailbag type posts!
    How far from the majors is Diaz and do you think his bat would play at 3rd?

  • In reply to SFToby:

    You're welcome. I think it might be easier to start doing things that way. Instead of a news/notes section, maybe a mailbag type thing since I get a lot of emails/messages/questions from all of you guys -- and you're all very up to date on latest news and happenings, so it works out the same except that it's stuff I know you guys are interested in!

  • john, maybe it's just me but I don't see the facionation with Justin Upton. he seems to be more hype then anything. he has never driven in 90 runs, hit .300 once and has only hit over 20 homers twice. I wouldn't trade any top prospect like Baez for him. I think soler will put up those numbers if not better numbers.

  • In reply to Joshnk24:

    I'm not as gaga over him as some are either, but I'd trade Soler for him. Basically you hope Soler becomes Upton.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I agree with you there, but for the first time in awhile I'm excited about some prospects we have. I'd love to seem them actually produce for the cubs and not another team. but if Baez isn't included I would do soler for Upton. but with the success cespedes had this year, I'm really excited to see what soler can do since he was said to have the higher ceiling of the 2 Cubans.

  • In reply to Joshnk24:

    He does have the higher ceiling but he also has a much longer way to go. There's still a lot more risk with Soler than with Cespedes. I'm with you on wanting prospects to pan out with the Cubs since we haven't seen it consistently since the Green/Goldsberry era, but some deals are hard to pass up, especially when the player is young, productive, and relatively inexpensive financially.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Does anyone know the contract status with Upton? How much does he make, and when does he come up for free agency?

    It is true that I would be ecstatic if Soler turned out as good as Upton. But there is another thing to consider. If Soler DOES turn out to be as good as upton, we have him for a large number of years at a very cheap price. If Upton will be a free agent soon, we will lose him just as we start to be competitive, or will have to pay substantially to keep him. And while I don't have a problem giving away Ricketts money, there WILL be a budget, and any money spent on Upton will not be able to be spent on another equivalent free agent.

  • In reply to DaveP:

    he makes 9.75 mill this year, 14.25, the next and 14.5 the year after. If the cubs aren't competitive by 2015, we're screwed anyways.

  • Tertiary. Good word.

  • Thanks :) I don't like to use fancy words for the sake of using them. In that instance, couldn't think of one that fit better!

  • Interesting that regression is expected is expected of Bourn but when it's brought up in relation to the lack of interest in Soriano it's ignored.

  • I think we touched on that as one of the main fears with Soriano. But speed players tend to regress earlier and quicker than power guys. We've seen Soriano's speed game regress into nothing already. He hasn't been a real threat on the bases since he was 31. If he were just a speed player, he'd have been obsolete long ago.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/does_speed_age_better/

    I always thought that speed would diminish a players value faster, but this article makes a pretty good case for the opposite being true. Obviously you have to judge it on a case by case basis. But I think there is reason to believe that good athletes, such as bourn, will stay in better shape as they age and continue to produce more

  • In reply to Andrew:

    I actually own that book! Great stuff in there and he does make a good case.

    Agree that it is on a case by case basis. Bourn keeps himself in good shape (as does Soriano), but even if he does, we should expect his overall offense to regress, which is average right now. Even if he stays around the fringes of being average, you have to ask yourself whether he's worth that kind of money. When most of your value comes from your defense, it seems to me you can get that kind of player a whole lot cheaper than $13M/yr plus a draft pick.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Speed guys also are one injury away from a huge decline in value. It's much more common for a hamstring or other leg muscle injury than say a power hitter breaking their wrist, etc. I love speed guys, they are fun to watch, but I wouldn't ever hand out big bucks to an over 30 speed guy. That's just asking for trouble. Look at how Soriano's speed has declined after his first few months with the Cubs and some leg injuries (I believe a nagging quad).

  • Regression is only expected of Bourn if he is signed to a 5 year contract. Is there anyone out there that is saying that Soriano will not regress over the next 5 years?

  • In reply to DaveP:

    No, there is not anyone out there that I know of that is saying Soriano will not regress over the next 5 years. Cub fans need to realize that teams are not calling the Cubs looking to trade for Soriano, the Cubs are calling teams offering Soriano and a large amount of cash. There's a big difference in the two scenarios. The Cubs will gladly trade Soriano to any team that will take him off their hands, as long as he approves the trade. The Cubs aren't looking for a reasonable return, they just want a little salary relief.

  • I agree that it is the Cubs that are doing the calling. But I severely doubt that they would trade him without getting a decent prospect in return. He is of value to the Cubs over the next two years, and they are not likely to give him away.

    So he will probably remain a Cub for the foreseeable future.

  • In reply to DaveP:

    Time will tell. I predict that Garza, Marmol and Soriano will each be some other team's property by Opening Day 2013. Marmol and Soriano for salary relief and minimal return, and Garza for less than what the Cubs gave for him.

  • John, what would you consider giving up for Upton, with the intent of making a "serious" offer? I realize the cost would be steep and the risk not insignificant but ,if it clicks with Upton, you could be looking at an impact player for your core. As I mentioned to you, we are a ways off from any "impact" help in the OF from our farm.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    Sorry I didn't get to your question on Twitter. It's been a hectic week for me trying to keep up with family, friends, plus blog.

    As mentioned, I think Soler makes sense. I wouldn't trade Castro and would be reluctant to part with Baez. I'd put almost everyone else out there as possibilities.

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    I'm not sure what Levine was thinking there. That just reeks of desperation for a big move so there's a big move. I've done a complete 180 on Castro after September and, if they're going to trade him for a corner outfielder, his last name really needs to be "Stanton." And, even then, I'd have pretty serious butterflies pulling the trigger.

    Re: Garza. Didn't he guarantee he was making a start shortly after the injury last year? I'd be scared.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Yeah, I was thinking the same thing :) We should probably know that guarantees by ballplayers don't mean a whole lot when much of what they're guaranteeing is out of their own control.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    I agree. I dont even think I do Stanton-Castro unless you we're positive Baez was going to stick at SS. He's just too valuable right now. Teams are placing a premium on top SS and Castro at 22 is already near the top. I'm not trading him unless for a monster package. I'd want a teams Profar + the next 2-3 guys after him. All things considered(contract, age, potential, position, etc) Castro statistically has that much value. Baez might eventually get to that point as well.

  • Profar is now available according to the rangers.

  • In reply to plymkr:

    Do you have context and a source for that?

    I think players are always "tradeable", but it depends on the scenario, and some of those scenarios are very unlikely.

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    Agreed on all counts John

    Bourn i'd stay away from unless on a 1-2 yr deal with every intention of flipping

    Upton i'd trade for but Levine is on something for suggesting Castro. D-backs would have to kick in more to make that happen. I'm not sure I would even do Baez. I know prospects are hard to project but when it's a potential superstar you take your chance. If Baez hits 40hr for the D-backs the same people who wanted to trade him for Upton will be calling for Theo's head.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Sure if baez becomes a star, it could look like a bad move, but then again, if Upton has another couple of MVP like seasons like he did in 2011, the cubs would probably be WS contenders and he'd be a genius. Considering Upton's age, there is still so much upside there that the hypothetical projections go both ways. Personally I'd be willing to trade Baez in a deal for Upton. We would then have a young cost controlled core of Upton, Rizzo, and Castro, while still having soler and almora waiting in the wings

  • The only way I would trade Castro for Upton is if the Cubs could turn around and trade him to the Rangers. So the cubs could get Profar, Olt, Grimm, and 2 other good prospect.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    You know, that almost works if you include Garza in the deal. That could be a 3 team blockbuster to end all 3 team blockbusters. Still, I think the FO would be a little reticent to trade Castro less than a year after signing him to the big extension.

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    In reply to Mike Moody:

    The only thing: are the DBacks still in the market for a shortstop with Gregorius? To turn around and trade for Castro would be the ultimate middle finger to Trevor Bauer.

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    In reply to KGallo:

    I don't even think that's enough. If i'm letting go of Castro in that 3-team deal I want Profar, Olt, Holland, Grimm + 1 good prospect.

    Also if the cubs traded Castro for Upton just to deal him to Texas that makes no sense. Texas won't trade Profar for Upton now, why would they do it then + add alot more?

  • In reply to KGallo:

    wow that is a great trade idea! I think that would work for all teams!

  • In reply to Joshnk24:

    This wasn't really trade idea. It was more of a cost thing for Castro.

  • No worries, John. I know how the familial responsibilities go.

    Let's approach this from a different viewpoint, assuming Upton will be took expensive , what would your approach be to beefing up the OF for a run in '14? Our internal pipeline probably won't be able to deliver until '15 in the case of Soler and later still in Almora's case. I think ,at this point , we can't COUNT on anything from BJax. Additionally, FA mkt for OFers in the next yr or two doesn't look too compelling.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    Cubs will have to get creative. I'd still like them to pursue Dom Brown, whom I think Phils would trade for right price (if it isn't Soriano). Corner OF also a place where you can take a good hitter with good (or even average) athleticism but a poor glove (i.e. Soriano himself). So I'd look at some position change candidates both at the MLB level and high minors.

  • I listen to Dallas sports radio (Cowboy fan in IL) They were talking about it yesterday( Ben & Skin show) that the GM now says Profar is available & no longer untouchable. Losing too many bats I think & are in win now mode. I commented yesterday that trading Profar would make it much harder for Cubs to obtain Olt if they were after him.

  • In reply to plymkr:

    Thanks. I agree also that if they trade Profar they'd be less likely to deal Olt. Wonder if they don't like the offers they're getting for Olt and seeing what teams would give for Profar. Have to imagine it'd have to be a stud player for them to even think about it.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    If the rangers traded Profar for Upton, the market for Bourn just went completely down the shoot. There would be the Mariners and..... a mystery team? If theres anything that would make the cubs legit contenders for Bourn, I think it would be the Rangers getting Upton.

  • In reply to Andrew:

    I'm not sure exactly what Boras will settle for. Guess is that if he doesn't get a multi year deal, he'll want a deal similar to Edwin Jackson last year where he gets 1 year and a wink-wink agreement not to get a qualifying offer to keep his value higher on the open market. In that case, it almost means the Cubs would have to trade him to try and recoup the value of a draft pick. I could be wrong, but it's hard to imagine a circumstance in which the Cubs sign Bourn, imo. Risk outweighs reward to me.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I doubt you can have a clause in a contract that you can't have a qualifying offer at the end of the season, seems like selig wouldnt like that kind of agreement. I could see Bourn getting a one year deal with the cubs for like 16 mill. Hed then get the qualifying offer and if Boras doesnt like it, he can suck an egg

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    In reply to Andrew:

    I'm sorry but $16 million for one year of Bourn is ridiculous. That's the type of stuff Boras dreams about.

    Bourn is a one dimension player who is old. His offensive value blows, to be straight to the point. How anyone decided he's suddenly one of the best players in all of baseball is crazy. He's been very streaky in his career and his career numbers suck. He's a speed guy, that's it. The Cubs would lose a high draft pick as compensation to sign him, have a very very small market to trade him, none if he shows any signs of injury or decline. I can't see many teams lining up to offer a top-30/40 caliber prospect for 2 months of Bourn, which is the draft pick we would lose to sign him. He's not going to help us make the playoffs this year, signing him to any deal, even $6 mil per year, makes no sense at this point. But $16 mil per? C'mon.

  • In reply to Andrew:

    That's why it's a wink-wink agreement, not a clause for everyone to see. It's what most people think Boras did with Edwin Jackson. Only incentive for Bourn to take a one year deal is so he can re-enter the market next year. But he's coming off a career year now, he'll be a year older, and the only way he can improve his marketability is to shed that comp pick that goes with him.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Given that, I would anticipate that Bourn may have to scale his 1 year salary demand significantly. It will be interesting to see where he winds up and for how much.

  • Crisp wouldn't be a one year stopgap though, he has an option for 2014. Would keep centerfield well-manned for a couple of years at a decent price. Looking at his numbers makes me disappointed the cubs didnt pursue him harder last year, but then again who saw Byrds terribleness coming.

  • In reply to Andrew:

    No doubt. If they knew Byrd was going to be that awful they would have happily paid that price. It looked like an A's overpay at the time, but they look pretty smart right now.

  • I say lets keep baez and castro, instead of have the mind set one or the other lets keep both and about time baez is ready to be on the mlb roster the cubs pitching should be there. I think baez would be the one at third because he will be bigger and his bat will be fit for third.

  • John, you and I agree on Dom Brown! I've long had a prospect crush on him. You do bring up a good point about position changes( Lake, etc). If Villanueva emerges as a stud defender/decent bat @ 3B, I could see Baez being a deluxe RFer. I know we've focused a lot on Baez' positional value but if he hits the way we think he can , he'd add serious value as a friggin DH.

  • Why do so many Cubs fans want to trade Castro?......many of you are giving away the "Farm" to get a certain player.......Castro is one of our "main" players for the future....naturally, every team asks for Castro in a trade....and we have no one now to replace him........why make a "hole" on your lineup card to fill in another hole?.......I still say Jackson will come around and be a very good player.......we can live without Upton....Castro is better now then where Jeter was at the same age.......I don't see Upton as a future HOF................heard Garza saying before he will miss a few starts, and end up missing the second half of the season....Garza right now is not fully recovered, so look for the Cubs to get another starter at a low price.......Garza is thinking of the bigger payday and will force himself to take to the mound not fully recovered......I am sensing some type of major shoulder problem happening.......Coco Crisp has been talked about for a few years now of going to the Cubs......I believe the A's are asking too much for him.......when I think of Bourn, the image of Juan Pierre comes to mind......lets stick with Jackson, more on the plus side with Jackson to me...........lets just see what he have in the farm system and let the season play out.........hate to trade away our future players for a quick short term fix........rather have our young guys prove themselves than have some egotistic player showing up.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Agree. Trading a core player doesn't make sense because you're really just running in place, which is why Theo has basically said he'll need to get two core players in return -- and by that I think he means guys who are close to contributing, not prospects who have a way to go.

  • I would like to acquire Upton ,but his career splits are troubling. I believe he has a .740 ops away. I am not sure he would be worth the price.

    Also Garza comments and recruiting efforts tell me that he really wants to stay. He seems like the type of guy who would take a team friendly extension.

  • In reply to Mitchener:

    Good point. He does play in a hitter friendly ballpark.

  • If Garza so badly wants to stay, he'll sign a team-friendly deal when it's apparent he's truly healthy. Truth be told, Garza & the Cubs both want to maximize their positions. Kap-who seems to have pretty credible sources- seems to think that they hope he gets healthy so he can converted into multiple, high-upside pieces.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I do trust Kap a lot and he seems to think he's gone.

  • I don't think Theo/Hoyer are going to trade a lot of prospects for Upton. It is not their MO and the timing is not right. Plus Arizona has too many OF right now so they are going to be eager to deal, another reason Theo won't give in. Just can't see it very likely any trade with them happening. Getting Dom Brown seems much more likely to happen because we are not giving up prospects. I would like to see our high ceiling prospects hit those ceilings with the Cubs.

  • In reply to John57:

    I do think they'll trade if it means getting a cost-controlled player who hasn't reached his peak years yet, which describes Upton -- but I don't think they'll clean out the farm to do it. It'd have to be from depth.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I am not sure 39M for the next 3 years is cost controlled. Sounds like FA price already. Since Arizona has been trying to trade him for awhile, I think many would be reluctant to trade for him. If he really is that great why are they so anxious to trade him. Reminds me a little of us trying to trade Soriano. We are having trouble getting value for Sori and I think they will have trouble getting value for Upton too.

  • In reply to John57:

    They bought two years of free agency and I think he'd get more than 13M/yr because he's just entering his peak years. There's a reasonable expectation that he will get better.

    I do agree that you have to wonder why they're so open to trading such a player.

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    Re: trading Castro:

    In one word..."idiocy"....

  • In reply to Bobby Douglas:

    Yeah. I'm not a fan of it either and every single person I've talked to (I've asked quite a few people around baseball) feels the same way.

  • The biggest hope for Garza is that we can broaden the field of obvious trading partners , beyond TEX. Unfortunately, there is a bit of a disconnect between the teams who'd likely be in on Garza( NYY, LAD,BOS) and the teams whose farms look attractive to us. TEX is the only club that makes both lists and that gives them some leverage. Would you dare consider STL for a Garza deal, if they get desperate for an arm- as they have some injury concerns with their SPs? They certainly meet the criterion of having an elite system. Just saying....

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    For Oscar Tavares I'd do it. Especially if they get a pitcher like Miller too. I'd make them pay a premium if they want him.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    The thing about the Cardinals: they don't get desperate. If they can't win this year, they'll just come back next year with Miller and Taveras. The best case scenario for Team Theo is that's the Cubs in a decade.

  • In reply to Mike Moody:

    Very true. They never seem to overpay for anything.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    With regard to STL and trades, I had mentioned their penchant for acquiring stud young players who had fallen out of favor with their prior teams( Rolen, Edmonds, Renteria). That sort of opportunistic mindset is something we need to replicate. If you look back, I don't think any of the players they dealt to acquire that talent amounted to much( see Bud Smith,Kent Bottenfield, et al).

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    Doug Melvin of the Brewers always said that teams got to pay a big premium if they wan to move a good palyer wthin the division...I agree wholeheartedly

  • The job that Moz & Luhnow did with that organization from '08 onward is under reported in baseball journalism. Their system was crap when they made that Holliday trade and is a beast now.

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    Good line on A. Cabrera tonight in th DWL play-offs. Starting pitcher, 5 1/3 innings,4 h, 0 runs, 1 bb, and 5k’s. This guy is someone to watch at AAA as he works himself back into a starter.

    He always had and still does have frontline stuff but lacked control. He improved in that category last year so I see no reason why you wouldn’t see if he could start again…No risk at all, same with Shark last year. If he can’t do it, fine, put him back in the pen and you have a great late-inning guy, possibly Close

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    In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Iowa could have one hell of a rotation this year: Wood, Cabrera, Raley, Rusin.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Where did the myth come from that Cabrera is somehow new to being a starting pitcher? He has been in the Cubs system for 7 years, and was a starter, or piggyback starter for 6 of those 7 years.

    Last year was his first and only year as a full time reliever.

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    In reply to DaveP:

    Dave..... Nobody said he was new at it....in fact...I specifically said "as he works himself back into a starter" and even again with "see if he could start AGAIN"

    Where in the world did you get the notion that I didn't know he was a starter before?

    It's worth noting that he became a completely different pitcher under our new development staff(Bosio included) and improved his control dramatically which is the only thing that held him back as a starter.

  • In reply to Marcel Jenkins:

    Sorry Marcel. I misread the post.

    For a couple of seasons, Cabrera was piggybacked with Archer, and when I watched him, he generally had the better stuff. He certainly has the pitches to succeed as a starter, but as said above, it will all come down to his command within the strike zone.

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    John i know this is off topic, but i was wondering if you could settle a question for me and a friend. Do you think we could get Rick Porcello or Drew Smyley if we offer Detroit Marmol and Barney. Now of course we would have to pick up a good portion of Marmol's contract.

  • In reply to Larry:

    I don't think so for a couple of reasons. One is that the Tigers really don't need Barney with Infante and the other is that I don't think the Tigers have a great deal of interest in another closer with control issues.

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