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Cubs acquire Marcelo Carreno as PTBNL for Jeff Baker

Cubs acquire Marcelo Carreno as PTBNL for Jeff Baker

Update 10:45 AM: I asked Jim Callis of BA and he told me that Carreno can now hit the low 90s with sink.  He's currently listed at 6'1", 205 lbs and so there's not much projection left.  Secondaries are okay and probably doesn't make Cubs top 30.  Considering he was ranked 11th and 17th on the Tigers list by others, I'd have to say there is some mixed opinion on him.  It may also say something about the strength and depth of the Cubs system today.

Meanwhile, Keith Law (via Twitter) considers him a bullpen arm.

Update 10:05 AM:  The Cubs confirmed the deal via Twitter, saying the acquisition completes the transaction.

The Cubs have acquired 21 year old RHP Marcelo Carreno from the Detroit Tigers as one of the PTBNL for Jeff Baker, as reported by @tigstownmark (h/t @drewboke)...

According to Scout.com,

"Carreno has a heavy fastball that reaches 88-89 with projection for more. Backed by average change-up with good arm speed, and a below-average curveball that shows some potential.

Tigstown.com adds,

Marcelo (formerly known as Josue) Carreno has been on the radar here at TigsTown.com for several years, ranking in the organization’s top twenty prospects since 2010. A now burly right-hander, Carreno’s development has hit some bumps as his body has grown and he was forced to adjust his mechanics. While repeating with West Michigan in 2012, Carreno began to figure things out, posting a 3.23 ERA in 27 starts that spanned 139 1/3 innings. He dropped his hit rate by over a hit rate and walk rate by over one per nine innings and his strikeout rate held steady around eight per nine innings."

And from an AL scout,

"There’s something there. Now that he’s throwing more consistent strikes with his improved velocity, he’s got a chance to pitch at the back of a big league rotation."

The RHP was named the Tigers 11th best prospect by Jonathan Mayo at MLB.com.  Mayo calls him a possible mid-rotation type.

Kevin Goldstein wrote that he had a good curve with improving velocity and ranked him as the team's 17th best prospect.

Carreno had an excellent walk to strikeout ratio of 1.8/7.7 and fits the profile of the type of pitcher the Cubs have been looking to acquire -- good control with an ability to miss bats.

If true, it's a nice acquisition for the Cubs.  The Cubs need true SP prospects and while Carreno doesn't project as a front end guy, he adds another arm with the repertoire and command to stay in a rotation long term.

The Tigers still owe the Cubs one more player.

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  • Nice pick up. I would have gone for a bag of balls and an el ticket just to get Baker off the roster.

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Ha! I think it's a great pickup for Baker. Not a high ceiling guy but looks like he's got a chance. Can't ask for much more in that situation.

  • with ptbnl you usually get org guys so its pretty nice to see that we got a real prospect. and considering jeff baker was the guy they received, i dont see it getting any better than this.

  • In reply to jshmoran:

    I'm happy with it. With the acquisition of Hendricks too, the Cubs got themselves a couple of strike throwers with decent stuff. This Tiger prospect site really seemed to like Carreno a lot and it's backed up somewhat by the AL scout.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    What, we got Elrod Hendricks? Cool...

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    Even today he's probably better than most of the recent backup catchers the Cubs have fielded.

  • In reply to StillMissKennyHubbs:

    Or Jimmy...wrong spelling, though.

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    In reply to jshmoran:

    completely agree. usually your talkin aaaa players. i honestly would like to see him on the roster over volstad next year lol.

  • Baker had value as a utility player and righthanded pinch hitter. He was a little hot and cold, but the Cubs should be getting some upside in return.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    For 2 months of a utility player (less as it turns out), I think they did extremely well.

  • Very nice pick up for Baker.

    John, did we ever give anything for Hoyer?

  • In reply to John57:

    Not that I'm aware of. Time has passed so maybe there was some cash exchanged.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I think it might've been a cash deal, but the Cubs don't need cash. The Soto trade was only a week before the Baker deal.

  • So which assessment of curve seems most accurate??

  • In reply to Hubbs16:

    I think Goldstein must have seen him on a good day because I've asked around and they weren't as impressed with it. Looks like a work in progress though he does seem to be improving every year.

  • Cubs.com reporting that we got cash as well, and that this completes the deal. So there won't be another player. Still, great get for Baker.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Agreed. Good trade. They probably took the better prospect in cash rather than two lesser prospects.

  • P.S. Love our FO.

  • When might the Soto trade get finished?

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Don't know. Maybe the end of the month? They may wind up settling for cash on that one. Hope not since the arm (Brigham) we acquired for him got hurt right away.

  • We should aquirer young prospects any way we can (i.e., 2nd
    pick in Rule V draft) and see which ones pan out.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Agree we should explore all avenues but Cubs not likely to get a great prospect via Rule 5. Since the rule change the pool of talent has become diluted. Even the 2nd pick may not yield much. When 40 man rosters are set I'll look at some options.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    what has changed so much about the rule 5 draft?

  • In reply to jshmoran:

    Teams get to keep players for an extra year before putting them on the roster. That made it really hard to protect some good prospects in the past, especially for a deep team. Now it's 4 years for a college guy and 5 years for a high school guy (or anyone signed 18 or under), If they don't make the majors by then, there's something wrong, or at least there are a lot of holes or they're very raw (aka Lendy Castillo)

  • Am curious how he will be slotted in the Cubs top 20 prospects since he was 11 on Tiger's list.

  • In reply to John57:

    Funny you should ask! (see 10:45 update).

    Looks like a fringe top 30 guy which may say as much about the improving Cubs organization as anything else.

    That said, it looks like there is some mixed opinion on him. Some like Goldstein and Mayo, like him. Others, like Callis and Law, aren't quite as optimistic.

  • In reply to John57:

    Then again, he may make Mayo's top 20 list.

  • I like the move. If there's the possibility of that fastball gaining a few more ticks, he could wind up a nice mid-rotation guy.

    Of course, the fact that he can miss bats and command his pitches always leads to intrigue, personally.

    A bit unrelated, but, on the subject of Cubs/Tigers stuff, any thoughts on possibly picking up Brennan Boesch this off-season? I've always liked him, and he could allow DeJesus to shift to center until Brett Jackson is ready mid-season, at which point the Cubs flip DeJesus. Being as Boesch was left off the Tigers' playoff roster, I have to believe he wouldn't have a very high price tag.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    I'm guessing he'll be dirt cheap after a year below replacement level. Could be a flyer type. Poor defense may not be that appealing to this FO, though.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    If the Cubs trade Soriano, he wouldn't be the worst option in the world in left field. LaHair plays right, and DeJesus center. Let's also keep in mind the wonders Dave McKay did with Sori's defense.

    I just feel like his left handed bat - which I still believe has some potency hidden in it - and age - he'll only turn 28 next year - has enough upside to intrigue the front office enough to send some borderline prospect over to Detroit for him.

    If we learned anything from the Carreno trade, it's that Dombrowski doesn't exactly feel the need to maximize his return from the Cubs.

  • I like the move as well, a nice flyer . If he doesn't pan out as a starter, there's always room for him in the bullpen. Like people have said, he could be a middle of rotation guy, all and all a nice pickup for a guy ( Baker) who no longer fit here anyway.

  • Thanks for this update, I forgot totally there was still a ptbnl for Baker. Nice to get both the news and the discussion and evaluation here. I like the move by this FO, these guys are good. It's not always going to be the huge headline moves that make the difference, it will be the gradual consistent accumulation of deals like this one that put the cubs over the top. When they do turn it around it will be guys stepping up that may not have even heard much about, unless you read this web site.

  • In reply to eddie35:

    Thanks eddie! And I completely agree about those accumulation of moves. We focus on the big acquisitions but if you make enough of these little ones, you're eventually going to find yourself some useful big league players -- and maybe a player or two turns into something more than that. The key is to keep accumulating talent.

  • On a side note, the Cubs lowered ticket prices by 2%. That's like taking one sheet from a roll of toilet paper.

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Not to mention what your fingers end up smelling like.

  • In reply to SFToby:

    Don't want to lower teams revenues that Hoyer/Theo/Ricketts said will be pumped into player acquisitions and development. We want top notch prospects and the facilities and coaching to develop them properly to have waves and waves of impact players. I know that everyone wants that right now but we need patience. Lets get Madigan if he becomes available. The AZ facilities are being upgraded. New state of the art facilities in Domincan Republc are in the plans. They are lowering prices to throw the uniformed media and fans a bone to get them off their backs for more time. This FO is smart.

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    In reply to John57:

    i mean they do still need people to come to the ballpark. and the fact that they are planning on continuing to get rid of the familiar faces. they needed to do something. its an inexpensive investment in the fans. totally appreciate the new f.o

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