Is Alfonso Soriano worth trading?

Is Alfonso Soriano worth trading?

While at the game yesterday watching future Cubs OF'er Jorge Soler, a few of us started talking a little about current outfielder Alfonso Soriano.

Specifically, the topic was this:  Should the Cubs trade Alfonso Soriano?

If a team is going to pick up some of the salary and give some value back in terms of prospects, then it's a no-brainer.  You have to make that trade.  Taking it a step further, would you do the trade if you were getting a young, out-of-options player who has not lived up to expectations yet?  The Cubs tried this route with Carlos Zambrano last year and received Chris Volstad in return.  If the Cubs were to get this type of offer, my answer is still yes.

But let's assume that that's not the case.

If the Cubs have to pick up 90% of the salary and get a C level prospect in return, would you still do it? Here's a look at a few arguments for and against trading Soriano in this scenario...

Reasons to keep Alfonso Soriano

  • He's productive, at least as far as traditional stats go.  He's hit 25 HRs and driven in 85 runs.  Even looking at more modern metrics, there is no question that Soriano does provide power.  His ISO of .228 ranks 7th among left-fielders with 100 games or more, ahead of such players as Matt Holiday and Carlos Gonzalez.
  • He's a good influence in the clubhouse.  Soriano works hard.  When he didn't produce as expected, the knee-jerk reaction from the media was to say that he took the money and got lazy.  That has never been true and only this year has the idea of Soriano as a positive influence (in terms of both work ethic and overall attitude) become the mainstream opinion.  Soriano's biggest influence has been on young, Latin American players such as Starlin Castro.  Soriano has been there.  He knows what these kids went through and what they are going to experience as far as expectations on and off the field.  On a team that lacks veteran leaders, Soriano has stepped up.
  • There's nobody banging on the door to play LF right now.  Say you are able to cast off Soriano.  Who plays LF, an offensively demanding position, especially in terms of power?  There really is nobody unless the Cubs acquire someone in a trade or free agency.  The FA options are pretty slim right now.

Reasons to trade Soriano

  • Despite his resurgence, Soriano is a player in decline.  He doesn't really provide much offense outside of power and much of his overall value is tied to questionable defensive rankings.   Soriano is valued as a 3.4 WAR player, due in large part to the elite defensive rating he seems to get almost on a yearly basis from UZR/150.  There's little question that Soriano has flashed a better glove this season, but his UZR/150 of 20.1 overstates his overall value.  As far as offense goes, his wOBA of .339 is a little above average but ranks him near the bottom when it comes to players with 100 games or more in LF.  Only Desmond Jennings, Delmon Young, and Dayan Viciedo have a lower wOBA than Soriano.  Offensively, despite some good power, he is average at best overall as a corner outfielder.
  • His ability to play everyday in LF is going to loom as a bigger and bigger question over the next couple of years.  Soriano's knees are failing him and there were some days, especially in the cold early in the season, when he was in obvious pain.  It was particularly evident when he needed to slow down or change directions.   How much longer can he last out there?  Can he endure another Chicago April?  The ideal environment for Soriano right now is to be a DH/part-time LF in a warmer city.  The feeling is that if the Cubs can find him that kind of situation, especially if the team is a contender, that Soriano may acquiesce and waive his no-trade clause.
  • Soriano is not part of the Cubs long term future and the team may simply need to break from it's past.  Soriano remains the largest reminder of a failed plan to build through free agency as well as being the poster child for a comfortable culture that has pervaded the clubhouse.  There were too many players who liked playing at Wrigley for reasons had nothing to do with winning -- or baseball at all, for that matter.   While some of those reasons are noble, such as the opportunity to spend more time with family, that is not going to help the Cubs win baseball games.  That needs to be the priority.  The Cubs have already started to address this culture change, but Soriano is still the face of an old culture that represented spending, outdated methods of calculating value, and an all too high tolerance for losing.

There is an argument to be made either way and I expect we'll see more good reasons from both sides in the comments section, but let's also get a feel for the general consensus with a new poll...

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  • If a team is going to pick up some of the salary and give some value back in terms of prospects, then it's a no-brainer. ... Taking it a step further, would you do the trade if you were getting a young, out-of-options player who has not lived up to expectations yet? The Cubs tried this route with Carlos Zambrano last year and received Chris Volstad in return.

    That's the essence of it. Apparently it isn't worth it to the other team. Then Sori would have to waive his 10 and 5. The Volstad deal was only because they had to get rid of Z and thought they were getting back $3 million of the $18 million in value, instead of paying $18 million for a clubhouse cancer (Theo about said so). Other than the last two starts, they didn't.

    Since the Cubs' goal is to avoid losing 100 games this season, and maybe being in contention by 2015, the rest of the arguments don't matter.

    And, it does appear that unless the Bud Patio took up the space of 8000 seats, recent Cub attendance is down that much, and most of the stands were full of fans wearing SF orange and black. Maybe Cub fans are starting to vote with their feet.

  • In reply to jack:

    The Cubs aren't setting goals based on wins and losses this season. And I doubt they're targeting specific years for contention. They're just trying to add talent/value and letting things play out right now. The performance and the development of the players will dictate when the Cubs decide it's time to add the pieces needed to make a run.

    The Zambrano deal wasn't just about getting rid of a "clubhouse cancer". The Cubs were also getting a 25 year old pitcher who once ranked as a top prospect, and who had peripheral statistics that indicated a rebound was possible. We'll continue to see the Cubs take chances on such players regardless of who they trade and why they're trading them.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Based on what Theo publicly said, I think I characterized the trade properly. Anyway, the currently verifiable source is this Bruce Levine story, primarily whatever you get out of this paragraph:

    "The calculus became for us: Would we rather spend that $18 million on one season of Carlos and try to make it work with him here?" Epstein said. "In the best case scenario even if it did work, he'd be leaving at the end of the year as a free agent. Or, if we were going to have to spend that money anyway as a sum cost, would we rather spend it on a 25-year-old that we can put in our rotation and control for three seasons? That made a lot of sense."

    Maybe they get something out of Volstad in the remaining 2 years of control.

    Now, whatever their intentions are for the next couple of years may be open to debate.

  • In reply to jack:

    I think the last Theo sentence pretty much sums up what they're trying to do here. Get younger guys with cost control and hopefully you find something there.

    If the Cubs find themselves with a similar situation where they can acquire a younger, cost-controlled player who can provide similar value as Soriano, they'll do it. The question is would they trade him if they can't recoup all of the value. That's where it's not as easy a decision, in my opinion. The answer so far has been "no". They've looked into trading him but seemingly had no interest in providing a large discount, but that could change as Sori's value decreases and the Cubs continue to look forward.

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    In reply to jack:

    "...would we rather spend it on a 25-year-old that we can put in our rotation and control for three seasons?"

    That line says a lot right there. Chris Volstad has won a couple of games in a row. Maybe he and the Cubs coaching staff have figured something out? If he finishes strong this year and starts the next year strong he will have a year and half of control left at the age of 26 at the trade deadline. What I'm basically saying here is, the Cubs may already have one of those "Maholm type" pitchers on their staff. If he pitches to his potential for the first half of next year the Cubs could move him for some younger pitching prospects that are under even more cost control than he is. Is there a strong possibility of this happening? Probably not, but it's something I haven't seen mentioned before and that's probably because Volstad has been just awful this year.

  • In reply to Brian Szewczyk:

    Interesting angle on Volstad. If he turns it around maybe he does become a valuable trade piece. He'd be cheap, he's young, has some natural talent. Whether they keep him or consider offers, he has some potential value.

  • At this point in time I still think his positives out weigh the negatives. Sure he's slowing down but he is still a valuable asset both in terms of playing ability and in clubhouse presence. For the next two years we have a known quantity filling left field on a regular basis which gives us an opportunity to bring someone along on a better timetable rather than throwing them to the wolves. We know that this team is going through wholesale changes but those changes do not have to happen all at once.

  • In reply to carolinacub:

    Good point. They don't need to make all the moves at once and there certainly isn't anyone ready to take over LF in AAA or even AA. Soriano does have some value and Theo/Jed aren't the types to just give value up for nothing. If they did, they probably would have dumped him by now.

  • Like you said, despite his 2012 season; Sori is a player in decline.

    "Soriano remains the largest reminder of a failed plan to build through free agency as well as being the poster child for a comfortable culture that has pervaded the clubhouse." for me, this really sums it up best. You can't "bring in the new" without "throwing out the old". So despite his leadership attribute, he is very replaceable and I say if we can get anything for him... do it! The reality of a warm climate AL team provides Sori with a great opportunity too. Kind of surprised TB didn't offer us something for him as they clearly have a need.

    Sori is obviously replaceable. Sveum could use a platoon of LaHair/Sappelt/Campana/Mather, etc.. to replace him. Any of those except maybe LaHair is a defensive upgrade over Sori. I wouldn't think that means much if any difference in the win/loss column.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    True. If we take WAR literally, it's a difference of 3 to 4 wins over the course of a season. Not something to get overly worked up about. It's doubtful the Cubs are 3 wins away from being a contender next season.

    Tampa would seem like a great landing spot for him and my guess is the reason it hasn't been done is that Tampa neither wanted to pay salary or give anyone worthwhile in return.

  • Depends on the prospect, even if he's just a C-level guy. If we're talking a near-MLB ready player who can back up all three infield spots, then, yes, as that's a position of need. If it's a mid-level relief prospect, then, no, we have a ton of those. Maybe a guy that could turn into a starter but has fallen out of favor, maybe had a lost year or two.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    That is a good point. I'm sure if Theo was forced to take a C-level prospect, then they would take someone who at least has the potential to be valuable. I agree that another middle relief arm would be a waste of time.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I'd really like something of a reclamation project. It doesn't have to be someone who completely fell apart or suffered a major injury, but maybe someone who just never got the ball rolling.

    I look across town and see what the White Sox were able to to do with Jose Quintana and it makes me wonder if the Cubs can't find someone like that somewhere. Yes, Quintana was an undrafted free agent, but he was a 22 year old free agent who hadn't made it past high-A ball.

    Personally, I'd rather take a chance on someone that Theo & Co. feel can be the next Quintana and fail than get some backup outfielder or middle reliever.

  • In reply to Jim Weihofen:

    Reclamation project would be good with me too. As long as the guy is young and has talent.

    Quintana is a big surprise. Let's see if he keeps it up.

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    I would jump at the chance to trade him just because of the final reasons you list, he's declining physically and likely won't be performing at this level for the next two years. I'd much rather see them eat his contract and trade him than get to the point where they have to bench him or release him. We can complain all we want about his defense before this season, but he's been a hard working player who is well liked among his teammates.

    He's played well enough this year to have some trade interest, even if minimal. He was considered untradeable as recently as last spring. Any decline in production or health next season and once again he will not be tradeable. Deal him this winter if it's possible. This is likely the last chance we have to trade him.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    I really tend to agree here -- especially with that last paragraph. Soriano's value, what there is of it, can only really go down. His knees will get worse, he's shown he's not going to hit better than he is now. This seems to be the new norm for him. And he's only going to get older and be put at greater risk for injury the more he plays in the field -- especially in the cold weather.

    Gut feeling here is they make another big effort to find a taker this winter.

  • Even if he's mostly riding the pine at the end of his playing day's he will still have some value to his team. Somedays it seems as if everyone wants to trade every veteran on the team because of the possible return we'll get. The reality is that the return takes time to come to fruition and in the meantime we still need to have some semblance of a ballteam to put out on the field. The phrase "this could be our last chance to trade him" comes out quite often. Personally I don't understand that that point of view. We have a set cost that will remain a set cost whether we trade him or not and especially now since we have traded so many veterans away he is actually worth what we are paying him

  • I phrased that pretty badly but imho we need to keep a couple tried and true guys around during this transition., He's not the guy we are going to build around long term but he is the guy that will help us get through the next couple.

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  • In reply to carolinacub:

    That's a solid argument for keeping him around and there's no doubt in my mind that it is part of the equation as the Cubs mull this over. And it's why they have refused to offer a large discount so far. Soriano obviously still has some value to the team or they would have just dumped him and justified it as a sunk cost.

  • In reply to carolinacub:

    veteran leadership is an intangible that every team needs. as we get closer to competing, we're going to want those guys to have post-season experience on their resume; a la Garza.

    But with Sori, we're no better and no worse with or without him. So why not move him if we can get anything for him and see if Sappelt/Camapana/LaHair, etc can make us better?

    If we don't trade him, I think the smart thing to do is DH him in all inter-league games. Platoon him with a LH hitter 1/3 of the time. He may just become the most expensive part time player / pinch hitter in MLB history.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I don't necessarily disagree, but it's not as though the Cubs have a wealth of guys to play LF. I think we know that LaHair/Campana/Mather are not viable major league starters. Sappelt still has a shot, but his AAA numbers don't get me excited. Keep in mind that guys like Vitters, Rizzo, and LaHair all did well to very well in that league, and all have struggled at the major league level. Since Sappelt hasn't dominated AAA at age 25, I don't have much excitement for him at major league level. I would still like to see what he has, though.

  • In reply to bwenger:

    I'm just saying if we can get something for him, take it. We all agree this is the highest his value is yet, we can't seem to get something for him.

    I do disagree about LaHair/Campana. We all agreed that the Cubs player development has had some short comings, so with such a small sample size, I don't think we can say absolutely that we've seen the best of Campana/LaHair yet. if they can improve their shortcomings, they make viable replacement alternatives. I think the statisticians would confirm that a LF in the bottom third of MLB baseball can replace Sori with no material difference in the win/loss column.

    If we don't move him, I think he needs a lot less pt in LF. Whether thats a platoon, defensive replacement, whatever, etc....

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I agree especially with the Garza type guys. still young enough to build around but old enough to have experience and some success.
    Garza is best case scenario.
    Soriano is ummmm. how do I put this....He's like that nice piece of decorative art you picked up at the flea market and paid top dollar for because it would appreciate in value but on your way home you cracked the back so now it sits on the shelf and looks good and fulfills it's purpose but the value will never ever go up again.
    "damn that antique road show"

  • In reply to carolinacub:

    Ha! well said!

  • IMO, I think the Cubs have to get someone in return who projects as being valuable. Either a high risk/high reward low A guy, or possibly a guy who is out of options, or generally disregarded by his current team (like a Brandon Belt type).

    I wouldn't, however, just give him away to be rid of him. If you are paying the full salary, then the team receiving Soriano would be getting a heck of a deal. I don't think the Cubs (considering money isn't an issue for our club) should be helping another team out just because they want to be rid of Soriano. Zambrano was a different case entirely. Either a team is willing to give the Cubs a decent prospect, or we just hang on to Soriano. I don't see how keeping him hurts our club now or in the future.

  • In reply to bwenger:

    I agree, until we have a full-time prospect to replace him
    it is better to keep him. Maybe if he has a great spring
    training he could be someone DH.

  • In reply to bwenger:

    The Cubs did wind up getting good value for Zambrano (even though Volstad hasn't worked out so far), so I'm not sure they just wanted to give him away either. I do agree that at this point, the Cubs would deal Soriano but not give him away. I also think it's possible, but unlikely, that some team may bite there.

  • Alfonso is no spring chicken anymore. He was signed on only to make the Cubs more attractive to sell by Sam Zell. The Cubs need to move on with their youth movement. Stay on the agenda!

  • Until there's a team that's interested in Soriano that he's willing to go to, the point is moot.

    The only reason the Cubs should make a trade is if the other team wants a player. Unloading simply to unloading, especially if you're not getting any financial relief, is running in place. Lahair/Sappelt/Campana/mather.....are you serious? Anyone of those guys playing regularly makes the Cubs that much worse.

    People do realize that "developing young players" means having veterans on the team to help them develop right? The most important position player in the Cubs rebuild sees Soriano as a mentor and often seeks advice and sings his praises. That's good enough for me.

    Until someone gives me a reason that makes sense....A) We can get (Insert interesting prospect name here.) B) it allows for ____________ to play left field. C) It frees up X amount of salary. And so far every answer is unacceptable, there's simply no reason to trade him.

  • In reply to felzz:

    thats what I meant to say but
    1) I'm not that articulate when I write
    b) I can't write and be articulate.

    LOL You've made the most sense so far Felzz

  • In reply to felzz:

    I imagine that if the Cubs traded Soriano, they'd replace him with a stopgap player, perhaps someone more along the lines of David DeJesus or a similar player who plays with the same kind of approach they want this team to play long-term.

    I don't believe the Cubs will trade Soriano just to trade him because that's just not their style but I think they'll do it if they feel they can get value one way or the other.

  • This Adam Greenberg story needs to stop. I saw the game where he got plunked. It was sad experience, but Adam needs to move on with his life. The Cubs should have gone after the pitcher or a Marlins batter in the next inning. Too late now.

    Next story....

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Yeah, it's kind of touching until you see he was a marginal prospect at best to begin with and he has since then played for years in MiLB & Independent similar to what he was before getting called up to MLB.

    He got his retribution as he faced the same pitcher in the Independent league and he got a line drive single. Nothing else to see here.... move along

  • I love the Soriano we are seeing this year and when I heard about how he took Castro under his wing and let him live with him for a couple of years I like him even more. No way I trade him unless we get an impact prospect back (which is highly unlikely).

  • Should he stay or should he go? Well the Cubs recently tried to trade him to the Giants, a first place team from one of the best cities in the world. But Soriano vetoed it! So the debate may be moot if Soriano vetoes all but a couple of cities.

    While I'm resigned to Sori playing out the string on his contract, I'm not totally disheartened. At least he's thumping the baseball and playing decent defense (!). He ranks 28th in the NL in OPS, and he's tops on the Cubs. His dramatically improved fielding at age 36 has been a crazy, delightful surprise this year. He's been one of the feel-good stories for Cubs fans suffering through loss after loss.

  • In reply to baseballet:

    Word is he didn't want to play in the cold SF air. Unlike Demp, he won't be a free agent and change teams, so I can see why he'd be more choosy.

    I'm glad to see Soriano play well. Good guy, works hard...good to see him get nice results.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    i agree, if accepts a trade to SF, he's stuck there. The Cubs will try again in the off season, maybe to Tampa Bay ,where it's warm

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    I am in the camp also with felzzy of not trading Soriano unless we get a prospect back who is at least a possible starter. There's no need in moving him just for the sake of moving him unless we can upgrade or get value.

    I, on the other hand though, am not willing to give up on LaHair just yet. If Soriano were somehow moved I wouldn't mind seeing LaHair out there in left field on a semi-regular basis. he could at least reestablish trade value offensively. He had a great first couple months, and since then he obviously hasn't done much, but I think alot of that may be due to irregular playing time. Give him one more off-season and another chance to readjust to how the league has adjusted to him with some semi-regular playing time. I think I would give him a 50/50 shot of producing at least decent. Actually his overall numbers from this year are still decent, he has probably done better than some expected at the beginning of the year and realistically has done about what we could expect.

  • In reply to Gary Kueper:

    The Cubs don't have much to lose by giving LaHair another shot. He doesn't really have value on the trade market and he's going to draw a salary close to the minimum. No harm in seeing if he can still help the team.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    But I think this part of "why" we need to move Sori, if we can get anything for him. While it's true that Sori isn't blocking a future prospect as of yet. He is blocking LaHair from increasing his trade value. Sappelt/Campana will provide a big enough defensive upgrade over Sori to compensate for any loss of offensive production.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Not sure I agree with you on this one Hoosier. I think teams will remain skeptical on LaHair. The Cubs did all they could to keep his value high, playing him just against RHP and protecting him against tough LHPs (whom he couldn't hit in AAA at age 28, no reason to think he can hit MLB lefties). Soriano isn't a terrible defender, just not as good as UZR/150 has him. I don't think there would be enough of an upgrade defensively with those two guys to make a significant difference.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    We can agree to disagree.... I like Sori, but his value will never be higher. The reality is if he was good as some on here say, then someone would offer a decent prospect for him. But they're not - because he's not.

    I'm not giving up on LaHair just yet either....

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    I agree that Soriano's value isn't all that great. Just don't think the other guys are good enough to compensate for even that mediocre standard. Sappelt and Campana will likely be replacement level players next year. Soriano is at least an average starting LF. I think there's a pretty big gap there.

  • Lets go to this next point....should the Cubs trade Marmol this off season?....I say "Yes"....why do we need a game saving reliever if we are going to be a last place team in 2013?......

    If the Cubs go with the following starters, we can predict 60 wins from them......


    We are still far away of reaching 90 wins to get into the playoffs.

    I can see why Soriano is still on this team, but Marmol days as a Cub will end this season.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    I think it would be stupid of the Cubs organization to use Vizcaiano as a starter in 2013. Let him pitch from the pen with a strict 130-150 innings limit and then if he's regained all velocity & control, stretch him out for a SP spot in the rotation for 2014.

  • In reply to HoosierDaddy:

    Vizcano was built as a starter. Did you see the Nationals put Strasburg in the pen this year? He is on a pitch / inning count. Can't baby these guys. Time to grow up and be part of this team. Cubs still have a few good arms that can help out inthe starting roll. Maybe Jed can sign one veteran i.e. Maholm type.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    I disagree. Vizcaino may be a full season starter someday, but he has never started more than 17 games in a season, or pitched more than 85 innings in any season in the minor leagues. He has a career 17.1 innings pitched in the MLB, all in relief.

    I think Washing made a tactical error by starting Strasburg from day one too. Now they'll be without their ace heading into the final stretch & play-offs.

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    Marmol is a lot easier to trade too because of his relative youth, better contract, and the fact that he has two legit out pitches, including a 96 mph fastball. There is a good chance that somewhere there is a team who will see the raw tools and think they can fix his command. The offseason usually fuels more hope for the upcoming season.

  • Vizcaino probably still needs a full season in the minors. I believe that the Cubs will have to sign two free-agents starting pitchers. The Cubs can't just keep on running Volstad, Rusin, etc. out there. The idea is to players that have had down years in 2012. That way they can sign them to short term contracts, with the hope that they have a rebound year. If that happens they can flip them at the deadline for more prospects. A couple of good examples are Gavin Floyd and Ervin Santana. We could also do something similar with Kevin Youkilis at 3B, where Vitters is clearly not the answer for 2013. Would only trade Soriano if we get good prospect value back, since he is not blocking anybody and the Cubs do need the power. Chicago is a big market team, so they can always rebuild and compete at the same time.

  • In reply to Panama Cub:

    I think Vizcaino should start in the minors as well. Start him in warm weather, maybe even ext. spring training. Can really control his early season workload that way.

  • Teams 2013 Payroll Commitment's

    Dodgers, $193.8MM
    Phillies, $133.1MM
    Yankees, $119.1MM
    Cardinals, $92.8MM
    Angels, $92.3MM
    Tigers, $90.2MM
    Rangers, $84.4MM
    White Sox, $83.3MM
    Giants, $81.0MM
    Reds, $74.1MM
    Twins, $68.3MM
    Marlins, $67.5MM
    Blue Jays, $61.3MM
    Nationals, $58.6MM
    Diamondbacks, $55.0MM
    Mets, $54.5MM
    Orioles, $53.2MM
    Brewers, $52.4MM
    Rockies, $46.5MM
    Red Sox, $45.6MM
    Cubs, $41.8MM
    Mariners, $40.5MM
    Royals, $34.9MM
    Pirates, $27.9MM
    Padres, $26.0MM
    Athletics, $23.0MM
    Rays, $18.6MM
    Braves, $15.2MM
    Indians, $11MM
    Astros, $5.5MM

  • Four More For Dinner......

    Cubs called up Dolis, Recker, Chapman & Rusin.

    Did Jed break the Cubs record for Rookies yet?

  • In reply to CubsTalk:

    They're currently at 49, and the team record is 51. When Recker, Chapman and Sokolovich have all played in a game, the record will fall.

  • In reply to cubsin:

    Chapman in......50.....and while watching this game with Rusin pitching, I am screaming "sokolovich" out loud.

  • Regarding Soriano, if we trade him, who would bat clean-up between Rizzo and Castro next year? The only semi-attractive free agent outfielders I see are Cabrera, Bourn and perhaps Victorino, who certainly don't belong there.

  • The cot's contract webpage also has the cubs payroll commitments at $41.8MM, but we have to add the arbitration figures for Garza, Volstad, Shark, Stewart, Corpas, Russell, Valbuena and Germano. Assuming the cubs retain all of them, the commitments could be approx. $65 million.

  • In reply to Panama Cub:

    We jump $23 mil on those players?....Remember that famous Eddie Murphy line from Beverly Hills Cop when he asked about the price of a piece of goofy art?....that is what I am saying now.

  • Most of it comes from Garza, which come to about $11 million. The cubs paid him $9.5 million this year. Stewart and Volstad are pretty expensive at aprox. $2.5mm each. We can always try to reject arbitration and try to re-negotiate a friendly deal with them.

  • I'm going way off topic but it's just my random thought of the day while I watch the Iowa cubs lose to the nationals. Does anyone else think the blue jerseys are quite plain? Even the gray pants are plain. They should do like the nationals blue jersey and the a's yellow jersey and add the piping down the seams around the neck and along the buttons and put the number on the right side. Also add a blue stripe to the pants or something. The uniforms just look plain and cheap.

  • Those uni's do look comfy, amost like they should come with slippers with cleats.

  • Getting back to Soriano, the question is is he worth trading or not, well, worth it to whom. My understanding is teams are hesitant to step up and trade for him because of the years, not the dollars or the prospect. With two years plus on his contract teams looking at committing a roster spot for him are looking at the risk of the cubs sunk cost becoming their sunk cost for not for mulitple seasons. If it was a deal for just the remainder of one season it would be much easier to move him. Just to look at it in another way, for those who say don't trade him, if his contract was up after this season would you consider extending it? My answer would be no, given where the cubs team is at with rebuilding, which may also be what other teams are looking at as well.

  • In reply to eddie35:

    That's a good way to look at it.

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