Cubs Rumors: Sources suggest Cubs will land Soler; Jays may be willing to deal young pitching; Can Cubs deal Soriano?

Cubs Rumors: Sources suggest Cubs will land Soler; Jays may be willing to deal young pitching; Can Cubs deal Soriano?

Things are starting to get moving for the Cubs on a number of fronts.  The groundwork, as they say, is being laid down.  Some big moves should follow.  I won't talk specific trade as Tom will have some more great stuff tomorrow (promise!)...

Consider this an appetizer for now...

  • This weekend will mark the 2nd round of bids for Jorge Soler and the competition is pretty tough.   According to Buster Olney, the Dodgers, Yankees, Cubs, and Braves seem to be the most aggressive suitors, while Bruce Levine said today that the White Sox remain involved.  The Dodgers, Cubs, and Yankees were all expected to be big players with all 3 teams having plenty of money to spend.  The Dodgers may look to make a splash and recently drafted fellow Cuban Onelkis Garcia.  The sleeper in all of this are the Braves who traditionally aren't big spenders but they've long needed a big RH bat and Soler certainly qualifies as that.  As for the White Sox rumors, I'm taking that with a grain of salt -- and I think it would be awfully hypocritical of Jerry Reinsdorf to pay a huge signing bonus when he was the main driving force behind the new CBA and it's restrictive international signing bonus pools.  Those rules don't take affect until July.  At any rate, this whole ordeal that started in mid-November is finally coming to a close.
  • According to a NY Post article from late last week, the Cubs will land Jorge Soler. The feeling is based on the amount of time the Cubs have spent with the Cuban outfielder.  We suggested in February that Soler was the Cubs main target all along.  It also names Pittsburgh as a major suitor.
  • Jason Churchill of ESPN (insider only), suggests the Blue Jays will consider trading some of their huge supply of young pitching talent to try and win now.  One of our contributors spoke to a scout who suggested that pitchers like Justin Nicolino, Noah Syndegaard, and Aaron Sanchez may be more available than what was originally thought.  The Blue Jays are one of the few teams that would be able to compile the kind of package that would blow the Cubs away in a deal for Matt Garza. They're also looking for a DH, Alfonso Soriano may not make a lot of sense for them but perhaps Bryan LaHair would.  Word is, however, that Carlos Quentin is their main target when it comes to bats.
  • Olney also tweeted this about Alfonso Soriano, "It's a given Cubs will eat a HUGE portion of Soriano contract if they find a suitor. With Soriano on a power surge: Will there be suitors?  I, for one, think there will be.  Soriano still has a productive bat.  He can hit for power and he is an old school RBI guy who this year has learned a few tricks -- such as hitting to the opposite field in some situations.  If you're a team that could use some more production at the DH spot, you could do a lot worse than Soriano (a lot of teams already do), but the Cubs will have competition from the Padres and the Astros, who will be trying to move Carlos Quentin and Carlos Lee, respectively.

 

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  • Damn! Would be nice if we land Soler and get someone to take Soriano off our hands. Almora would be dumb not to want to sign.

  • In reply to lokeey:

    Agreed on all counts!

  • In reply to lokeey:

    All our upside 10th + rounders would be dumb not to sign!

  • Hmm Garza + LaHair for Drabek + Syndergaard + Marisnick + Nicolino + 1 maybe?

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    I don't think that's too far-fetched.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    I've been pretty consistently against trading Garza, but that one raised my eyebrows I have to admit.

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    In reply to furiousjeff:

    that deal is a steal. Drabek alone already promises us one young cost controlled big league starter with top of the rotation stuff. The rest is good as well though id try to see if we could get Travis Snider in there as well. seems like a guy who needs a change of scenery but can be a difference maker.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    No way in hell the Blue Jays give all that for Garza and Lahair, but it's a nice thought!

  • John, I , apparently like furiousjeff, remain very intrigued by Drabek. I know he's had command/control issues but he's very talented. In any trade w TOR, I could see him being the " immediate help" with someone like Syndergaard being the long-term play. I'd think we'd want at least two arms in any deal for Garza. I'd think TOR would be more interested in Garza because of his additional team control & past AL East success.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    He's always intriguing. Can't teach arm strength and the ability to spin a breaking ball. He seems athletic enough to be able to find command -- much like Jeff Samardzija.

  • Soriano did his part last night. Truth is he would make a good short term dh and not cost all that much.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    True. I think his bat has another couple of years left. The knees, however, are fading fast.

  • John-bigger picture question here- do you think the organization views Vitters as a possible long-term solution @ 3B or is that going to be an area of focus in trade talks?

    I could see Vitters possibly morphing into a corner utility guy. The most encouraging thing for me has been the uptick in power production; he's never going to be an OBP machine.

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I don't think they're ruling out Vitters but they're not going to count on him either. He's not in the same boat as Vitters, Jackson, and Almora. I think if they have a chance to pick up a young 3B in a deal that makes sense, they'll do it in a heartbeat.

  • Appetizer? Don't tease me like that John!

    Didn't know there would be a 2nd round of bids for Soler, hope we get him of course. I'm starting to envision the future heart of our order... pretty scary. We just need another blue chipper or 2, & someone to come through at catcher & 2B, then we'll have hitters 1-8.

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    The Cubs could have 5 top notch position player prospects if they land Soler and when they sign Almora.

  • How about a blockbuster that sends Garza, LaHair, & Dempster together?

  • In reply to ChiRy:

    That's probably unlikely but that would be quite a haul.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John, are you getting any sense of what the mkt for Demp will be? One top 50-100 prospect or maybe two 100-150 guys?

  • In reply to Carl9730:

    I think Dempster could get someone in the lower part of that top 100,maybe better depending on overall package.

  • Why is there a 2nd round of bidding? Do Soler's representatives expect teams that are interested to keep raising their offers?

  • Exactamundo.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    If I were the Cubs I'd make sure Soler's representatives had my offer and if they did I'd make sure they knew that was the only offer they were getting from my team.

  • They don't have much to lose except money, which they have plenty of. They need impact guys and Soler has a chance to be that kind of player. I think they'll put in a serious bid here...and probably overpay. Somebody will overpay, anyway.

  • I love it when the trade rumors start flying. I can see Garza going to the Blue Jays, the do have the prospects to blow away the Cubs. I would love to see Garza and LaHair going to the Jays in a deal, the Cubs would get at least 2 top prospects with another 1-2 good low level prospects. Soriano, I can see him going to Cleveland who needs a DH and does not have the prospects like the Jays or Yankees to get a bat like Lee or Quentin. The Cubs should one or two decent prospects for him, and let's not forget Dempster. He will get traded and I see him going to the Tigers or Dodgers who need pitching and who neither team is known for giving up too much prospect wise. The Cubs will not get the top prospect from wither team but will get a couple good/very good ones.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    Time to load up!

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Yep, and the Cubs should be stocking up big time soon.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    The Cubs could beef up their minor leagues with top prospects in a hurry.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I'm hoping they can beef up the pitching prospects right now. They look good as far as position players (especially if they sign Soler). Good start in the draft with pitchers, but I'd let to get a couple of guys closer to the majors.

  • How about the Rangers? I thought they were in the market recently looking for another pitcher.

  • In reply to lokeey:

    Hearing they're not looking since they signed Oswalt.

  • The Cubs are on pace for 110 losses.

  • In reply to Eddie:

    I think they'll get hot and lose 99.

  • I'm back. Any chance Theo/Jed will hold on to Garza too long.
    We don't want to give him away, but should they grab the
    best great deal. Also trade any other veterans for any good
    prospects we can get. Real Cub fans will put up with another
    (re)building period, if it's done soon and brightens out future.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Not if the best deal doesn't give good value. Can't go backwards and give up guys and get less than worth. It doesn't help rebuilding.

  • It will be interesting to see which direction the Cubs go if they trade Garza. All winter, I felt the Blue Jays presented the most intriguing stable of SP prospects(Syndergaard, Hutchison, Norris, Nicolino and Drabek-and was impressed by the multi-faceted skills of the young OF Marisnick. While young pitching would no doubt highlight the haul we receive in return for Garza; this feeling is creeping in that a young stub 3B prospect may be becoming more of a consideration with either a Garza or Dempster trade. Would we be able to pry Middlebrooks or Castellanos away from the Red Sox or Tigers without Garza(doubtful)? Do the Red Sox have another Casey Kelly-type to add to a potential deal; and do any of us really relish the thought of Theo and crew having to deal with Lucchino yet again? When it's all said and done-if Garza goes-I'm thinking it will be pitching and 3B. John: any chance of a multi-team deal?

  • In reply to Upstate NY Cubs Fan:

    Without Garza, probably not. Middlebrooks/Castellano maybe in play but only in a Garza trade.

  • So glad that the fans on this site understand what Theo and Jed are trying to do. Just went on bleacher report and read an article about how short sighted theo and jed are with Rizzo. Totally disagree. People already calling for Theo's head.

  • In reply to Kyle R:

    Thanks Kyle...we have great readers here who understand the big picture.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    It just really frustrates me sometimes the way people continously question every move they do/do not make

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    In reply to Kyle R:

    We are likely looking at another 3-4 years of rebuilding before we turn the corner. Most fans are casual fans who do not have the patience for that, so there will be a lot of complaining. But that's exactly what Theo said he would need to do when he took over, he just didn't want to directly say, "hey, we are likely going to stink for 2-3 years and slowly get better."

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    Kyle R, all these nay sayers like Paul Sullivan and the like will be the first one's jumping on Theo's bandwagon when the ship gets righted..This group will bring success to the Cubs, they're great baseball people backed by a committed owner and they seem to be doing things differently than the other GM's of the last 30 years and that's really a good thing..They have a plan and need to stick to it

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    Very well put. It's just total shortsightedness.

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    Agreed completely, Luigi and Kyle. Sullivan is a Sox fan, imo, and I don't even read his articles anymore, even when they win. As to the fans, the same ones that moan and groan about all the years of mediocrity want Theo, et. al., to promote more mediocrity by living for the moment. Anyone with a baseball brain knows that the Cubs simply cannot do both.

  • Think about what has transpired this year just so far, Theo assembled the best FO in baseball , scouting included. IMO of course, They added Rizzo for a Bullpen arm, The got Good return on Marshall. Sent Z and Byrd off . Assembled low cost fill ins to assure the team would either finish first or last , first if all the reclamation projects worked and if not no biggy , high draft choice 2013. They allowed Lahair and Shark to show thier stuff and are now big assets, Having a very good IMO 2012 draft . Now poised to load up on prospects and maybe sign Soler . I am very happy with the direction of things . Now lets get some Blue Jay arms and We are talking a Top10 minor league system , all in ONE year people !

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    Exactly, Bryan. Its a process. It's going to take time.

  • Hey John , at this point just to assure everyone's chin is up ,, how bout putting the standings up on here reverse order so We can all keep track of our draft position for 2013 . LOL Right now Selig has us on the clock!! :) .

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    haha...maybe in the minor league recaps.

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    It's kind of funny that a week ago the 3 teams we were all thinking would be in the race for the number 1 pick were the Padres, the Cubs, and the Twins. How much better the Twins look than the Pads and Cubs right now is amazing. They're also less likely to deal away significant players at the deadline, further separating the Pads and Cubs from everyone else.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Top 2 pick looks like it's on the way.

  • Soriano goes yard again.
    Hey, you AL teams... it's obvious he is The Answer at DH.
    So, give us someone nice for him. The Cubs might even toss in a few quid!

  • In reply to eaton53:

    I'm thinking some teams have to be interested at this point

  • I definitely see Sori having suitors with how he's been hitting and the Cubs willing to eat a big chunk of his contract. Just too bad Carlos Quentin's been so hot since coming off the DL.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Yeah, Quentin is going to be the preferred guy probably. Soriano hitting well over .300 with 12 HRs since using lighter bat.

  • If we choose to look on the bright side of this Cub season, the fact that Dempster is pitching so will and Soriano looks like a quality dh really helps us move forward.

  • In reply to 44slug:

    I think those would be two big moves. Would be great if they found a taker for Marmol too.

  • I would lump LaHair in with those 2 guys 44 . I wouldnt trade him unless He nets back a top 5 prospect out of a teams system. People forget He is 29 not 34 . He is cheap too.

  • In reply to Bryan Craven:

    I don't think LaHair gets back that good a prospect, honestly. I think LaHair's greatest value might be as a second piece with Dempster or Garza to help the Cubs get the kind of haul of prospects they want. Another guy who may aid in that capacity is Darwin Barney. When you're getting a Dempster, or even a Garza, you may only be getting temporary hope, giving up a quality, cost-controlled player should really increase the return.

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