These Cubs don't need your advice, Dusty

Dusty Baker again?

I don’t know whom to blame? Is it Dusty for putting his two cents in on the perils of the Cubs job at every turn? Or is it the media that has to make sure we keep hearing him whine about how hard and unique the pressure is at Wrigley?

Dusty says he doesn’t want to give any advice to Dale Sveum, but then goes ahead and does anyway.

 "From my experience, patience wasn't a real virtue," Baker said Monday. "They've been patient for 100 years. That's a hard sell in Chicago, more patience. They might be patient for a little while, but unlike any other place I've been, they count. People count. And they can add real good in Chicago. Everybody — men, women and children."

More built in excuses for those who want to make them.

I assure you Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer, and Sveum have seen this movie (long drought) before. They have dealt with the overzealous and frustrated (Boston) fan base. They have overcome the Evil Empire and have already handled a tough media.

I get a kick out of some of the Chicago media thinking they are so tough. The bullying tactics aren't going to fly this year, trust me.

I promise you no beat writer in town is going to frustrate this group like they could with thin-skinned Dusty and the ever-defensive Jim Hendry. They aren’t going to catch a ready to semi-retire senior citizen off guard like they did with “Uncle Lou” Piniella.

Sveum didn't come to Chicago for a cocktail at Harry Carry’s and shopping at Nordstrom.

This front office we are dealing with here are smart, calculating, and focused businessmen. They are here to go to work like they have everywhere else. No Chicago elements are going to catch them by surprise, no matter what anyone tells you. It’s all business to them.

They would have even let your favorite Cub Kerry Wood walk out the door if it wasn’t for Tom Ricketts intervening at the last minute.

Sveum also fits right into the business like mentality of the front office.

 Sveum said "there's nothing I don't know" about the Cubs job after coaching in Boston under Terry Francona

"There's more media, there's more scrutinizing, there's going to be the second-guessing of everything," he said. "It's nothing you don't know. It's not like I've never been in or played in a big market before. You know what all goes on."

Exactly, they know what goes on here.

There is going to be a lot of jealousy involved when the Cubs finally do break though. That is why you can sense the guys who have failed hoping this group does too. Then they can say we told you so, it’s too tough there.

Only this group is going to succeed in large part, because they are just too smart to give a damn about anything but what they know how to do.

Win.

 

 

 

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    "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage. Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me. The problem we have to address more than anything is the home run problem." ~ Dusty Baker, August of 2006

    "I think walks are overrated unless you can run. If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps, but the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time he’s clogging up the bases for somebody who can run." ~ Dusty Baker, March of 2004

    The above statements speak for themselves. Dusty Baker is a moron who has no business managing even a little league team. His team's successes have been in spite of him, not because of him.

    Dusty's record as a manager and his multiple MOY awards are a product of his GM's giving him more talent than even he could screw up and sheer luck. In my opinion, he is the most overrated manager in the history of the game, and by overrated, I mean so overrated that it isn't even close.

    The only thing I'm surprised about here is that he didn't pull the race card out like has done so often in the past. I won't make any bones about it. I not only think he is a terrible manager, but I don't like him on a personal level either.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Ahhh, the baseclogging comments!

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Thanks for those precious quotes Mike!

  • Icing on the cake would be the Cubs beating Dusty's Reds in the NLCS then watch the Cubs beat the Redsox in the WS

    The best of both worlds! :)

  • In reply to johnnywest333:

    If we werent in the same division of course

  • In reply to johnnywest333:

    A dream scenario. Then again, just winning a WS is a dream scenario!

  • Why does he think other care what he has to say. His tenure with
    the Cubs says it all. Please get rid of the toothpick.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Not sure why he can't just move on. It didn't work out and he can blame whatever he wants, but he was part of it too.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    He can't move on because he has never been able to accept any of the blame for what happened under his watch. Nothing is ever Dusty's fault. It's always someone elses fault, and this is a pattern that bares out repeatedly throughout his career.

    I said it was a mistake the day they hired him. It was like the Soriano signing. It was one of those moments when I just wanted to beat my head against the wall, because I knew this wasn't going to turn out well.

    Then 2003 happened. A lot of people said I should be eating crow, but I told the naysayers to be patient. There was still a reason that a team that had just gone to the World Series wanted to get rid of its manager, and that 2003 team, other than the rotation, really wasn't built for sustained success. Every regular with the exception of Patterson and Ramirez and most of the bullpen were on the wrong side of 30. They caught lightning in a bottle, and then Prior and Wood got injured and the rest of the team just got old.

    The one good thing that came out of Dusty Baker's reign was that Sammy Sosa was exposed for the fraud he is, vindicating Sandberg and Grace. Baker's reputation, though undeserved, was such that, if Sosa couldn't get along with Baker, Sosa couldn't get along with anyone.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    That's the thing, I don't think anyone cares anymore. Except for Dusty and the media.

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    In reply to Tom Loxas:

    Exactly! And to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure why I wasted so many words on this matter. Other than that Baker represents the utter futility that was a Cubs fans existence under the Tribune Company.

    Really, his hiring was so Tribster-like in so many ways. Anything to make a big splash to keep people buying tickets to the summer long party while never doing anything that might have really turned the team into a winner.

  • What's that Chris Rock joke about the tiger that attacked Sigfried and Roy?...

    "That tiger didn't go crazy. That tiger went tiger..."

    This isn't news that Dusty shot his mouth. That's what Dusty does. It's up to the Cubs to let it vanish like a fart in the wind. Granted, every single word Dusty said was true. But it's irrelevant. Just focus on what you're doing. and everything will be Hunky Dory ( Second best David Bowie album ever...).

    I wanted so much to love Dusty Baker. His "There's nothing lovable about losing..." was the best quote by a member of the Cubs....possibly ever. He had a great attitude and he obviously has a special way of bonding with his players. Through protecting and over coddling them. Unfortunately he couldn't manage. He was actually quite good at not managing... By the way, I'll take the third week in June in the "What week will Johnny Cueto be shelved with arm trouble from over use" pool. We have one of those...right?

    When Dusty was being considered for the Cubs job I was lobbying for a different manager. Anyone want to guess? Anyone? Caldwell? Caldwell?......Bueller?

    Here's a hint: He managed against Ozzie yesterday. And when Ozzie got thrown out for being Ozzie, This guy waved at him on his way out the door.........That guy's awesome.

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    In reply to felzz:

    I should have known it would be him.

  • A dust-up over Dusty?

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    Bears get Marshall. Great addition.

  • Nice Ray...what'd they give up?

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    A 3rd round pick this year and next.

  • That's not too bad at all. I like it.

  • Dusty Baker gave the Cubs their first back to back winning seasons since 1972. Over 30 years. He took a 67-95 team, a team no one expected to do ANYTHING, and took them to 88-74 and five outs from the World Series. Looking at it from Arizona, and clear of the waft of the Chicago media and the powers that be manipulating opinion, I always felt he got a bum wrap.

    I'm sure he didn't call a press conference to talk about the Cubs managing position. He got asked a question by a reporter and answered it. I'll take that over the polished bullshit answers we hear day in and day out from players scared to express themselves because the media might jump down their throat.

    I'm glad the new management is good at dealing with the Chicago media. The saying online goes don't feed a troll and that's just what most of the media is nowadays. They get paid to stir shit up. Have no doubt - they're an impediment to the Cubs winning a championship and new management playing everything close to the vest is a very smart move.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    Carne I agree with you on most fronts here. First Dusty did a great job his first year, but blew it in the NLCS. Second, he does like to keep the Cubs thing going but I'm sure it was the media driving it. They really are like trolls these days and that really was the point of my post. Theo and Jed aint gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    He also was given a 100 win team in 04 and couldn't get to the playoffs because they couldn't hold it together and he insisted that Hawkins was a closer when he clearly was not.

  • In reply to Tom Loxas:

    Hawkins couldn't pitch anywhere that year. It wasn't a closer thing, it was an AL to NL thing or maybe a big media market thing. Hard to say Dusty was "given" a 100 win team in 04 when he was the manager in 03. And the 04 team got more wins in the regular season than the 03 team, they just faced a better division. Plus Dusty got a lot more playoff wins (with a lot less talent) than Lou ever did, but I hear the Dusty bashing a lot more than the Lou bashing.

  • In reply to Carne Harris:

    I equally bash both of them, but at least Lou wasn't so silly with some of his OBP thoughts, etc.

  • Tom:
    Much like Capt. Kirk yelling "Kaaaahn!" imagine me yelling "Latrooooy!" at the bad memories you just brought back! :)

  • In reply to Ryno2Grace:

    LOL...my Captain Kirk yell has to be "Freeeyyyy" I probably forgive Hendry more than most because I had to live through the Jim Frey era.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    John, the Jim Frey era followed by the Larry Himes era were nearly the end of me...The most inept 6 years in Cub history..The sad part is that Frey had the pieces left by Dallas Green to build something special but he and Dick Balderson ruined everything in sight..

  • In reply to Luigi Ziccarelli:

    Frey dismantled that whole organization with one bad move after another. He had no idea what he was doing.

    Himes was better at evaluating talent, but was the most insufferable GM in the history of the Cubs, nobody wanted to deal with him. Not his own players and not the other GMs around the league.

    We can probably throw Ed Lynch in this too!

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