Cubs Winter Meetings Notes: Garza, Reyes, Pujols, Stewart

Cubs Winter Meetings Notes: Garza, Reyes, Pujols, Stewart

No deals for the Cubs yet but there's been some light chatter about players the Cubs might be moving and acquiring...

According to SI's Jon Heyman (via twitter)...

#cubs told at least 1 team that would need to be overwhelmed to even consider trading Garza.

This is something I've been saying since the idea of trading Garza first surfaced.  When Epstein says Garza is exactly the kind of player he wants to build around, he means it.  This is a 27 year old top of the rotation pitcher who's under team control for two more years.

I've mentioned a couple of times that it would take a Zach Greinke like deal.  Earlier today, Bleacher nation tweeted about  a source that made the same comparison.  In that deal, the Royals received a #1 prospect from the previous year (#12 overall), the #1 prospect from that year (#69 overall), RHP Jake Odorizzi, and the #3 prospect RHP Jeremy Jeffers (#100 overall) and Lorenzo Cain, the team's #8 prospect the year before.

When we're talking about top 12 prospects (both former and current), we're talking abot guys like SS Jurickson Profar, LHP Martin Perez, 3B Brett Lawrie, C-1B Jesus Montero, LHP Manny Banuelos, or the Tigers RHP Jacob Turner.  A top 12 guy is  an elite prospect.  It's going to take that kind of player to headline any deal.

Here are some other notes....

  • The Marlins have agreed to a 6 year, $106M deal with SS Jose Reyes and presumably plan to move Hanley Ramirez to 3B.  Some have speculated as to whether they should trade Ramirez, but trading 3B prospect Matt Dominguez may be more likely.  Dominguez had just a .258/.312/.431 line in AAA, but he plays outstanding defense and some feel his bat may still come around.
  • Tweet from Danny Knobler of CBS Sports: "Other teams believe Cubs will try for Pujols, but only with shorter term offer with high AAV (avg $ per yr)”.  This is something we briefly speculated on before.  Pujols has an incredible 9 year/$210M offer from the Cardinals but hasn't taken it.  Could it be because the annual average salary is "only' $23M?  Pujols is the best player in the game right now and deserves to get paid like it -- at least in the short term.  And perhaps a 4 or 5 year deal with a higher AAV might entice him to leave St.Louis -- along with a whole lot of long-term money on the table.  Personally, I'm not overly optimistic about that and I'm still not convinced that the Cubs are completely serious about signing Pujols.
  • The Arizona Diamondbacks are also in on Ian Stewart though it's not known what they are offering.  Stewart will cost the Cubs less in terms of players and has more power than  Chase Headley but he's a lesser player overall, so I have to think he's plan B at best right now.
  • Should also add that the D'Backs are also working on a deal with potential Cubs target Hiroki Kuroda.  Kuroda is said to be willing to settle for just a one year deal -- but at a $12-$13M price tag.
  • Jon Morosi of Fox Sports (via twitter) #Padres getting hits on Headley, Bartlett, Hudson. I expect them to trade at least one of them by spring training.
  • SI's Will Carroll reports via twitter that "Jair Jurrjens' knee is holding a lot of teams back on him. That's a situation likely to go chronic."  If true, that would weaken an already weak pitching market, making guys like Garza even more valuable.

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  • Jayson Stark of ESPN wrote something similar about Garza:

    Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer view the Cubs as a long-term urban-renewal project. So they'll be listening on just about everybody. But Garza's name is out there heavily. There's no doubt about that. The doubt centers around whether he winds up moving, considering the hefty price tag. "I'll be shocked if Theo trades him," said one exec. "Let's just say he wants a lot for him. So because of that, because of what he's asking, I don't think he really wants to trade him."

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove11/story/_/id/7311816/poised-big-week-winter-meetings-big-d

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Good quote, Norway. I'm really glad to hear confirmation that this is the case with the Garza rumors. As soon as he became available, the national media started acting like the Cubs were motivated sellers. Not the case. Looks like they're finally catching up.

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    Rumors are going around that the Padres would have an interest in Marmol if the Cubs would be willing to kick in some money.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Interesting. Would this be in exchange for Headley? Marmol and cash for Headley and a prospect?

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Kick in money on Marmol? He's already pretty cheap. But at the same time, I don't see the Padres wanting to take on any salary.

  • If Theo's plan is really to rebuild for the long term, then everbody
    , except Castro, should be available for the right price. Garza
    would bring the biggest package of players/prospects. Lets hope
    some team really wants to win it all now.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Everyone should be available, but i agree it has to be at the right price. There is no sense in trading players for the sake of trading them. It's going to take some top prospects to make a Garza deal worthwhile and right now I don't see any team willing to pay that price.

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    I wouldnt be against giving albert a 5 year deal for big dollars even though I don't think he would take it. 5 for 32 million doesn't sound that bad for a game changer. The only problem I see is the cubs have other more passing needs that should be addressed first (starting pitching) which makes albert more of a luxury and not a priority.

  • In reply to Rich Cap:

    Would be risky. He'll be 36 at the end of that deal but he's a good athlete so he should age pretty well. At the very least they might get the Cards to up their offer.

  • I'm now fo the opinion that the Marlins will sign Pujols, they seem to be on a mission to show their fans that thye are now "destination " team. I personally think the deal with Reyes is foolish, but the Marlins are seemingly flush with money and want to make a statement. I see a 8-9 year deal for Pujols for about 235-240 million.

  • In reply to Steve Flores:

    I think the deal with Reyes is fair but only if he stays healthy and maintains his speed. It's a pretty risky deal.

    That would be incredible if they made that type of offer to Pujols. If they get all these guys, I'm hoping they are even less successful than the Heat were.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Just saw on ESPN that the SEC is starting an investigation of the financing of the Marlins' new stadium. LOL!!!!

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7318895/securities-exchange-commission-probing-financing-new-miami-marlins-stadium

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Good! Loria said it won't affect his spending, however. I hope it all comes crashing down.

  • Happy winter meetings, John. Put a pot of coffee on.

  • In reply to Eddie:

    Got one brewing as we speak. This is my Christmas!

  • With Pujols, I got to thinking about whether the Cardinals offer was still available. I found this article:
    "The two sides are expected to meet at least once early in the meetings to determine the next step to take in their negotiations.
    In January, the Cardinals offered Pujols a nine-year, $198-million extension. It is not clear if that offer remains on the table or if the Cardinals have recalculated the offer based on the 2011 season -- one of the year included in the original offer -- has been played.
    Mozeliak declined to comment when asked if the offer still stood as presented in January. He added that such a thing would "remain secret" between he and Lozano."

    I would think that if no other team is willing to open their wallets, why should the Cards? It may be that he is unable to get an 8-9 year deal anymore and could be kicking himself when he is forced to sign back with the Cards for 4-5 at much less money. He's 32 supposively, but do we really know that for sure? I agree that he'll age gracefully, but at what year will he hit his Jim Thome point. ?

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinal-beat/cardinals-team-pujols-arrive-at-winter-meetings/article_b685bfe2-1ed4-11e1-8f57-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1fgKm8bh9

  • In reply to Break The Curse:

    I think you hit the nail on the head as to why teams are hesitant with Pujols and why the Cards aren't upping the ante. It's a deal they'll pay for somewhere down the road but it's a clever offer for them. It keeps them competitive in the short term and Pujols will always have value to the franchise, so even when he can't play he still gives them value...kind of like Jeter does for the Yankees.

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