Cubs get Torreyes and Sappelt in Marshall deal.

Cubs get Torreyes and Sappelt in Marshall deal.
Ronaldo Torreyes

The Cubs got two prospects, Ronaldo Torreyes and Dave Sappelt, along with Travis Wood in exchange for Sean Marshall. I liked it before. I really, really like it now.

Ronaldo Torreyes is the better prospect. A bit on the smallish side but is a fantastic contact hitter with a good approach at the plate despite a low walk rate. Defensively he's athletic withgood range and a penchant for the spectacular play. Arm strength may limit him to 2B, however.

Torreyes hit .356/.398/.457 with 9 2B, 5 3B, 3 HR, 19/14 K/BB, and 12-for-19 SB in 67 games with Dayton (A)...as an 18 year old.  The man can flat out hit.  He's listed at 5'9" but some scouts think he may be just 5'7".  A person I spoke to who got the chance to see him up close said that he believed he was indeed, closer to 5'9", however.  You can read more about Torreyes here.

Sappelt, meanwhile, is also around 5'9" but is an excellent hitter himself, particularly against lefties. He can play CF and has the arm for RF, making him a solid candidate to spell DeJesus and Brett Jackson against lefties. He's MLB ready and could challenge Campana for a job this spring.

Sappelt spent last year in AAA Louisville and hit .313 with 7 HRs.  Slash line was .313/.377/.358.  He has a legitimate shot to challenge Tony Campana for a reserve spot or possible replace Marlon Byrd as a CF who can play against lefties if the Cubs trade Byrd and promote Jackson.

This is just a very good trade by Epstein and Hoyer.  The Cubs have obtained 2 certain MLB players in Wood and Sappelt and probably a 3rd in Torreyes, who may have the highest ceiling of all of them.

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    I'm a little disappointed by this. There were arms Hi-A and Low-A with a lot of upside that I would have rather had.

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Dave Sappelt:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543743

    Reynaldo Torreyes:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=591720

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    In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Dave Sappelt:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=LF&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=543743

    Ronald Torreyes:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=591720

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    Thanks for the stat links, Michael. Was unable to do much. I disagree, though. This was a great deal for one year of Marshall.

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    In reply to John Arguello:

    I'm not really saying it was a bad deal, but we're deep in middle infielders and fourth outfielders are a dime a dozen. We needed arms in the worst way, and while the Reds AA team was a little barren, there were plenty of promising arms in Hi-A and Low-A.

    I am very happy with Wood, who I think could be Ted Lilly in a few years, and I like the prospects we got. I just think they weren't necessarily what we needed right now.

  • They as just a bonus in the deal. Good to have more good prospects
    in the system. Does the outfielder go on the 40-man roster?

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    In reply to emartinezjr:

    Yes, he spent some time in the show this season. So he would have had to have been placed on the Reds 40-man roster, and he couldn't have been taken off without exposing him to waivers.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Probably.

  • On another topic

    Is Toronto the best place for Garza to go?

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    In reply to emartinezjr:

    Ask that question in 3 and 1/2 weeks if Darvish doesn't sign with Texas.

    BTW, I don't think the signing of Darvish necessarily means Texas won't still interested in Garza. Garza, Holland and Darvish could give them a rotation equal to Philadelphia's. Also, they also have to consider trading for Garza just to make sure no one else in the AL gets him.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Probably. Most assets and big need. Yanks and Sawx may be factors too.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    I agree the Blue Jays are the best place for Garza. Toronto really needs a starting pitcher and they have a much better farm system than either Boston or New York.

  • I love this this deal. We traded a 29 year old reliever and got a LH starting pitcher, 4th OF and Torreyes( to me the key to this deal) check out this guys stats are low-A ball at the age of 18.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=torrey001ron

  • In reply to Paris:

    Thanks for posting stats. I'm a bit limited, will fill in more stats when I get home.

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    In reply to Paris:

    If I sounded like I'm bummed, I'm not. Torreyes is a nice piece. There is a lot of upside there, especially as he fills out. I just thought pitchers Daniel Renken and J.C. Sulbaran made more sense for the Cubs. I am curious to know why Torreyes only got 278 AB over 67 games in 2011. Was there an injury?

  • If Theo/Jed can get this kind of a return on Marshall. I am really looking forward to see what they will get for Marmol, Garza and Soto.

  • In reply to supercapo:

    Agreed!

  • Torreyes was a great pickup in the deal. He was the most exciting and most popular player for the Dayton team last year. The fans loved him, was always running and diving all over the field, plays with great energy. His manager was Delino Deshields, and he raved about the little guy, thinks he has a great chance to be a good big league player. Has spooky power for a 5'7" player, would have people laughing in batting practice how such a little guy could hit balls so far. And he is only 18. Has a good knack for squaring up balls and hitting them hard. Is very tough to strike out, and his walk rate is sure to increase, has a very small zone and will develop more patience. Nice deal for the boys.

  • I agree Ron. This seems like a great value pick to go along with an already solid trade. Here is a small write up on Torreyes:
    http://scoutingthesally.com/sts-selects-ronald-torreyes-2b-cincinnati-reds/

    Here is one on Sappelt:
    http://redlegsbaseball.blogspot.com/2011/03/2011-top-prospect-list-10-dave-sappelt.html

  • Nice report cubbie ron...I've heard he has pretty good discipline and works the count well, just doesn't walk much. Not a free swinger, takes pitches but makes an incredible amount of contact when he swings.

  • Forgot to add that Joe Morgan, an advisor with the Reds now, made a trip to Dayton last August because his friend Desheilds told him he had to come see this 2B they had who reminded him of Morgan. A little guy who could really hit it a long way.

  • Nice little tidbit!

  • I also found a quote on Torreyes from our friend Dusty:
    http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2333640

    “They told me he could hit,” said Baker. “I sent him up there to see if he could hit. And he can hit. You don’t hit .370 by mistake. He has a good approach.”

    Actually Torreyes hit .390 last year in 67 games for the Venezuelan Reds Rookie League team. His first full year as a pro last year ended with a .370 average - .240 in only six games last year for the Class A Dayton Dragons, where he’ll probably start this season.

  • In reply to Break The Curse:

    Great stuff.

    Props to all my readers for picking up the slack while I was out. You guys are awesome!

  • Great deal. My eyes bulged when I saw the minor league players. Michael, don't forget that they may be spun for someone else.

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    In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Hi Cubs Fan In Norway, have you ever listed to The Soundtrack Of Our Lives? Neighboring band from Sweden, great guys.

  • In reply to CubsFanInNorway:

    Agreed. Was pleasantly surprised on the return.

  • It appears that my first post is either in spam. with John away for a moment, here are a couple nice links on the two prospects:
    http://scoutingthesally.com/sts-selects-ronald-torreyes-2b-cincinnati-reds/

    http://projectprospect.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6712
    (This one is from December, 2010, but a good read)

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    Interesting take on Torreyes from a couple of months ago:

    http://seedlingstostars.com/2011/10/06/the-seedlings-to-stars-2012-top-100-prospects-93-ronald-torreyes/

  • In reply to Just Win:

    Great link, thanks Just Win.

  • Just - Thanks for the link ... great stuff.

    With the dearth of top 100 prospects in the system at the very least it seems 2 quality guys have been added into the mix. That, plus a possible #3 for a pitcher who, valuable as he's been, is a FA next year ... sounds very non-Hendry like !!!!

  • In reply to MoneyBoy:

    I'm very pleased with this deal. Cubs continue to add assets to their system. I think all 3 of these guys have a good shot at being on the roster in 2-3 years.

  • To another topic

    Because of the recent deals for pitcher, will team not contact the
    Cubs fearing the price will be to high.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    They already knew the price was high. It is all up to the other GMs. Cubs will be fine if they keep him.

  • Prospect guru John Sickels had Sappelt #13 and Torreyes #19 on his list going into the 2011 season. Great deal by the Cubs to get Wood Plus 2 top 20 prospects for 1 year of Marshall. Don't stop now boys!

  • In reply to Zorb:

    I think both guys are also top 15 guys with the Cubs right now, or in that area. Torreyes a better prospect than LeMahieu, in my opinion. Not as MLB ready, but better all around, so its a gain there, imo.

  • Epstein just reiterated that Garza is available.

  • Did see that. Looks like basically the same stuff as what we've said here on this site.

  • Yes, you are right.

  • Just read Theo say that the Cubs are planning for the long term.
    Garza is available for the right price. This is also true for other
    Cub players. Just trade away.

  • In reply to emartinezjr:

    Not surprised to hear that, talked about it yesterday and often in the past. Theo's holding out for a package similar to Latos and Gio.

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    this is just tremendous! Let's see what we can get for marmol now!

  • In reply to Gary Kueper:

    May get a bit more for Marmol too. I think Garza and Soto are the ones to really bring in some impact prospects. Should be fun to watch from here to spring training. I'm kind of excited to see this team play too. Might not be a lot of wins, but I like the direction and types of players the Cubs are getting.

  • Quick story on Sappelt.

    He was playing his first game in left field for the Reds vs the Cubs last season. It was a close game Cubs had a man on 2nd (think Koyie Hill) with DeWitt batting. Dewitt scorched a shot deep into the ivy Hill had scored and DeWitt on the way to 3rd but instead of reaching into the Ivy and pulling that ball out and trying to gun down a base runner. Sappelt stalled and raised up his hands and the call went in a ground rule double. Saving the Reds a run and I think winning them the game.

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    Well damn !!! Jeff ... I very much remember that exact play !!!

    From MLB.com, "Trailing, 6-4, in the seventh, pinch-hitter Reed Johnson was hit by a pitch by Logan Ondrusek, reached third on Castro's single and scored on Tony Campana's single to right. Ramirez hit into a fielder's choice. After Bill Bray struck out Pena, Masset entered and Byrd greeted him with a double that rolled into the ivy in the left-field corner to tie the game. DeWitt was intentionally walked to load the bases and Masset's first pitch to Geovany Soto scooted past Hanigan, with Ramirez scoring to give the Cubs the lead."

    I think BB commented on what a heads up play it was by the rook. That play was even more important because Marshall gave up 2 runs in the top of the 8th giving Cincy the lead - one of them coming when Byrd slipped going for a pop fly in short center, which he blamed on the Paul McCartney concerts.

  • In reply to MoneyBoy:

    Yup that's the one dude. Ohh boy yeah Byrd slipping..

  • In reply to furiousjeff:

    Geez, great memory guys. Totally forgot about that play until you guys brought it up.

  • Bruce Fields lauding the Cubs on WSCR for dealing Marshall at top of his value rather than after....indeed a rare thing for the Cubs.

  • In reply to Hubbs16:

    Keith Law really likes the trade for the Cubs, and he's been tough on them the past couple of years -- probably with good reason, I suppose. Even Goldstein begrudgingly likes it for the Cubs. Usually he searches hard for something not to like just to troll Cubs fans. Hard to find someone who doesn't like it. I hope everybody's right!

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Bleacher Nation.

  • Brett didn't like it? I'll have to read it

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    No, Brett did like it. As do I. Some of his readers, not so much.

  • Ahhh...that makes more sense.

  • Thought you guys might like an update on what is going on down here in Cardinal land. The Kool Aid drinking is reaching epic proportions. Even though they lost one of the all time greats in Pujols, you would think that is the greatest thing that has ever happened for St. Louis listening to the fans and the media.
    The Beltran at 35 years old and Furcal at 34 signings are being treated as if Ruth and Cobb just hopped aboard. Local columnist Miklasz said this morning that next years team and lineup should be better than last years was with Pujols. The message boards and talk on the street are really quite pathetic how many fans just throw out Alberts contributions like it can easily be replaced.
    If you take a close look, this is an old and getting older ballclub,(Berkman, Beltran, Furcal, Carpenter, Molina, Schumaker, Lohse, Westbrook). They will be decent this year and maybe the next. They tout their prospects as can't miss, but most have played one year of A ball, or AA at best. We keep doing things the right way, we blow by this organization for years to come in the not to distant future.

  • I still think they're the favorites this year. I think a healthy Wainright + a full yr.of Furcal (instead of Theriot) are nice upgrades that help offset the downgrade from Pujols to Beltran. Milwaukee might struggle early and the Reds made up some ground, but probably not enough. So I think they have a good shot to repeat as divsion champs -- but WS a stretch. And no way is any lineup better without Pujols. They're just making themselves feel better.

  • In reply to John Arguello:

    Hate to do this to ya John, but they weren't the division champs last year. They barely squeaked in on the Wild Card last day of the season, and I'm not thinking they'll be better without Pujols. They did have a ton of blown saves early in the year though so they could be about what they were last year. But that was NOT division champs.

    I'm thinking they'll be #2 or 3 with Cincy and Milw being same or better.

  • In reply to Still Love the Cubs:

    Yes...you're right! I'll amend it to they'll repeat as a playoff team ;) but I think they win that division.

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    I think the Cards and Brewers made two very smart moves in not resigning their guys and instead signing Beltran and ARam to half the yearly salaries of Pujols and Fielder, and short term deals instead of ones that will most certainly negatively impact the new teams for a long time.

    Who would you rather have, Beltran at $13 mil or Pujols at $25.4? But then realize it's 2 years with minimal risk for Beltran, and 10 years for Pujols. And likely similar for ARam's 3 years vs Fielder's 6-10. If Beltran and ARam stay healthy, those are excellent moves. Each could drive in about 100rbi, so they could be getting 80-85% of the production of Pujols/Fielder for 50% of the salary, and no long term commitment.

  • In reply to Just Win:

    I think the Cards did really well under the circumstances. I won't say their lineup is better, but they are still a playoff caliber team with a good rotation. Brewers did as well. I keep counting them out, but it probably will be a 3 horse race for the NL Central.

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    I'm in Cincinnati right now. Between dinner and shopping, I've talked to several Reds' fans tonight, and I've been listening to 1530 ESPN local. Most of them like this trade,and they say it's a win-win for both teams.

  • In reply to Michael Caldwell:

    I'm good with that. It is a win of sorts for them because they want to win the division with no Fielder or Pujols. Can't blame them at all. I really like our side of it, though.

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